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#1 · Posted: 6 Mar 2010 04:01
I searched and couldn't find a thread on this (surprisingly) so I thought I would start one.
Because this is free to join it's getting a lot of buzz and attention right now. However, in my opinion, it will not last.
You join for free and make $2 per month for writing down 10 licence plate numbers and submitting that info. If you recruit others to do the same you get $2 for their efforts as well (possibly only once - not too clear about that). So of course the hope is that this will go viral and everyone will be doing it leveraging your income.
I expect this will do very well in the beginning as it is free to join. Everyone will feel like it has no risk and give it a go. But this success will be short lived as the scheme reaches it's "terminal velicity" or "critical mass" as I like to say. Once that happens people will begin to drop out and the whole thing will collapse. Because bottom line is no one is going to work for $2 per month. If people can't get recruits they will give up and that's where I think it will fail.
Is anyone in this and any info about when they will start paying ?
http://www.datanetworkaffiliates.com/
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#2 · Posted: 22 Mar 2010 18:28 · Edited by: FreeCashMan
Did DNA just admit today in their email that all the promo hype they did to excite everyone about tageverycar was a hoodwink move?
They call their getting car plate data "biz" a loss leader for DNA.
This means they are about getting you into some other business ideal, and that they mislead people as to purpose and intent, and just wanted to get a lot of people in their database by saying you can get in for free.
Will they one day drop the "free"?
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#3 · Posted: 24 Mar 2010 10:54
DNA gets into ad surfing for money.
This is totally contrary to how they started out promoting there business to get people to join and register for free, and they are not really a public license plate database company as they touted, and do not compare to the CSI opportunity. (not saying DNA may not be a viable business, just elaborating on the original post about what is the DNA business about) The below info is directly from a company email broadcast.
"The name D.N.A. actually came from "DATA & ADVERTISING"
The plan was to create a team of DATA Collectors to gather CAR TAG DATA or any other type of DATA that we could turn into DOLLARS. Affiliates would spend an estimated 1 hour weekly entering data into a module that would be surrounded by 8 to 12 advertisements. ADVERTISING IS BIG BIG BUSINESS...
The current D.N.A. Affiliate spends a minimum of 30 minutes a day for 4 days; 12 minutes a day for 10 days or even 6 minutes a day for 20 days. Where else can you join a program that is 100% FREE. Invest 6 minutes a day and earn Hundreds, Thousands and maybe much more monthly with ZERO RISK...
We even thought of calling it "THE SIX MINUTE A DAY PROGRAM TO FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE" Think about it... Would the average person put 6 minutes a day into a program Monday - Friday to earn extra money.
Starting April 5th, 2010 we will require Affiliates to spend "SIX MINUTES A DAY" (20 days a month) entering DATA in the D.N.A. Back Office. Less than "TWO HOURS MONTHLY" to qualify to earn significant monthly commissions...
PRO Affiliates will only need to spend a total of 30 minutes monthly entering DATA in the D.N.A. Back Office."
Prosperous regards
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#4 · Posted: 26 Mar 2010 21:04
D.N.A, Narc That Car, Crowdsource International. I cant' say if it's a scam or not because I haven't been involved, I'm not knocking it.. but it seems that there are some SERIOUS unanswered questions.
The biggest one is sustainability, there has been a question as to wheather NTC is bringing in enough money to sustain themselves on sales of data alone, not just paying out members with the money of new members (Does the name Charles Ponzi ring a bell). Untill they can do this I'd avoid it. (See below link)
BBB gives them an F Rating
2. BBB gives them an F and Narc That Car Changes their Name to Crowdsource International (CSI).
3. They have previously listed that they are related to the Amber Alert, they are not, they have since removed the link since the DOJ got wind.
4. Owner / Opperator information is hard to track down.
Full Disclosure : Free Cash man works for them, I don't. I thought about it.. but until the BBB is satisfied.. I will not be looking into it.
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#5 · Posted: 27 Mar 2010 09:34 · Edited by: FreeCashMan
You appear to be reposting info from uncredible sources that don't like the business opportunity of DNA, or CSI, which is NOT DNA and not the same types of companies when closely examined.
As nothing about code amber has been removed from the company website. However independent agents marketing improperly have been addressed. CSI is established and shares its database info with Code amber and law enforcement agencies for free. The CEO of CSI has worked directly with the president of Code Amber. The info you and other sources reported on this is simply not accurate.
There wasn't a name change that had anything to do with the BBB. As you'll see in the subsequent post the BBB is extremely unreliable source for making a decision about a company.
People should get info from those that are involved in the business and have due diligence info, and accurate info to share, and not from those that are not and never have been and are only appearing to know something about the company.
There isn't a company that is out there particularly in the network marketing industry that someone isn't oppose to. So looking for a business that "everyone" likes is never going to happen. However, opposing positions on a company has never stopped its growth when such info is unfounded. With over 35K new reps joining CSI in the past 75 days, the validation of the business speaks for itself for those that take a close look.
Even DNA was able to attract tens of thousands for data collection, albeit they have added a bunch of other things to the mix for people to sell.
So don't believe opposing people's puffery!
Most people DO NOT want to have to sell to family, friends, and others something that they really don't want, need or will fail to use, in order to successfully and legitimately make money from home, online or what have you.
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#6 · Posted: 27 Mar 2010 10:16
Let's look honestly at the BBB. This is something that is very, very important for all people reviewing businesses.
As will be proven below, truth is that people have literally been duped across this country (USA) into believe the BBB is a legitimate organization as to companies. As such they have duped business owners into thinking they should be part of the BBB.
As to CSI, the BBB is trying to make CSI pay it tens of thousands of dollars in order to give CSI a better rating. We are not going to do that, and we sent our attorney to speak with them for 6 hours, but it was all about money to the BBB. I believe one has to really question any one that is going to assert a grade when they say they don't understand a business (which is suspect since CSI's attorneys spent 6 hours there laying out everything), say there are allegedly a serious pattern of complaints, when they are all resolved and only 6, and the simplest but may be the most telling of all, notwithstanding the info below on the BBB, when the BBB states the check processing fee is $7 and it is only $5.
CSI is in the mist of other courses of actions to address the improprieties of the BBB as it relates to CSI.
What I would suggest anyone that wants to check out ANY company as it relates to the BBB that they also check out the BBB (which people fail to do). Because using the BBB as your gauge for moving forward or not is seemingly the worst thing that a person could do.
Any wise person will see after checking out the BBB itself, that I'm not a one saying stuff to just talk favorable about any company.
There are actual facts that people should know about the claimed to be Better Business Bureau that make it a real scam operation and all about siphoning money from business owners as that is the only way they can survive. You can start your research at these sites, and read the truth on the BBB for yourself:
http://bbbthetruth.com
(US congress person speaking out against the BBB)
http://www.betterethicsbureau.org
(Hard-hitting Reports, Information and Commentary Challenging the Unethical Behavior of the Better Business Bureau (BBB)
See particularly the report on How Reliable the BBB's Ratings On Business Are, 9/3/09.
http://www.ripoffreport.com/Better-Business-Bureau/Better-Business-Bure/better-business-bureau -or-buye-eq4fb.htm
(10 years of comments by consumers and business owners alike of the ill actions of the BBB)
http://www.bbbroundup.com (this has links to all kinds of sites that validate the illegitimacy of the BBB, it is AN INVESTIGATIVE NEWS SERIES ON THE STANDARDS AND PRACTICES OF THE BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU)
So I respectfully say to anyone, not based on my words but commentary over 10 years old that, if you are rely on the BBB for making your decisions you may find that you are being duped.
For serious answers talk with and get info from reliable sources so you can make a decision that is best for you and your families financial well being. Relying on those that disagree that are not apart of the company, and more importantly never have been is unreasonable.
I also find it very, very telling that those sites that try and talk down the data gather business and use the BBB as a flag waving alert, and claim to be researcher, have utterly failed to inform you of the long standing apparent scam actions of the BBB itself that clearly denotes the BBB as an unreliable source for positive or negative.
There is a revolutionary concept in network marketing today and one no longer has to be just a distributor (seller) but can be a gatherer of the that which is being distributed and prosper.
It's like gather the oranges for the orange juice. There would be no orange juice if no one gathered the oranges. Data, information, is a real an viable product/service, it's just not a tangible one that you can hold in your hand. This is address on my blog.
CSI is one of the few companies that carried out proactive actions in the establishment of it's network marketing portion of its company. That is that CSI presented to the10-12 attorney general in the USA that allow a company to do such, its business plans for operation and review. CSI is not under the radar and if they were doing something improper the AG's would have been stepped in, but they haven't, nor is it forseeable.
Another validation as to the CSI opportunity is that our license plate data is verified with the DMV in every state. If there was something wrong with what CSI is doing the DMV would not be letting us tap into their databases for verification.
All in recognize that Data gathering is a real thing, its been done for years on all of us, especially as it relates to marketing of goods and services. Now there is just an opportunity to benefit financially.
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#7 · Posted: 28 Mar 2010 21:52
Freecashman, Thank you for the canned company response to the BBB issue. I appreciate the links, but the BBB brings up valid points
This will be my last post because I don't want this to turn into another NTC / CSI / DNA fiight like the last one. I'm just trying to say that its' now
1. Increase in members does not mean it is legit / is a sustainable business model. They've now changed their BM to not being really about plates / helping repo / amber.. they've changed to supporting themselves with AD-Views, talk about a change. That's concerning.
2. Also, I have seen questions regarding the Legality of selling license plates numbers, as they are the property of the state, is there a listing of where it is legal / not legal for?
3. Basic contact details for ANY administration are not listed on the site.. AND when I did contact them for questions like.. what's the check processing fee (Why are they charging to process paychecks to their IC's anyways? I don't get it.. my employer doesn't do it, My MLM doesn't do it, My Affiliate programs don't do it), and questions to see if I understood the compensation plan correctly. I'm still waiting for a response. (2 weeks and counting)
I hate to counter links with links (Especially with unverified information) Someone who claims to be close with the DNA founder / CEO and who still belives that it's not 100%
http://troydooly.thatmlmbeat.com/tag/data-network-affiliatesdna/
Thanks.. I'm done.
-Adam
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#8 · Posted: 29 Mar 2010 03:00
It's should be clear that you are talking about DNA. As stated DNA is NOT CSI, and CSI is NOT DNA.
DNA has recently made it clear that they really are not in the license data plate business and are focused on the "more than data" as they put it, which involves the ad surfing, selling of travel packages, and juices, lotions and potions.
If someone wants to focus on being another distributor for a company then DNA may be an option for them.
I find that most are not interested in selling and just want a viable opportunity to earn income and show others how to do the same. That is what one gets with CSI.
Again, as to CSI, it seems that there is a failure to get straight information from those that "know" and not from those that just don't like the company.
Every successful company is not without opposition, so I understand that, but there is no bases for asserting that the gathering of public information data is not something that can be done.
Google and Microsoft take public picture of our homes and show off our back yards, for profit. Gather license plate data is nothing close to what they do, and thus we can and do and earn income at the same time with the right company.
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#9 · Posted: 2 Apr 2010 12:15
busoppreviews
You are so right.
It will definitely not last. It was tried before.
Police already has the technology to read thousands of license plates an hour.
NYC police read 90,000 plates a day from patrol cars using ANPR!
Stationary Automatic License Plate Recognition Systems (ALPR) are common throughout the industrialized world. However, a new mobile Automatic License Plate Recognition System is now available in British Columbia
This system can capture up to 3,000 license plates per hour. It has three cameras mounted outside the police vehicle.
* Front left side
This camera is used to capture license plates of oncoming vehicles.
* Front right side
This camera is used to capture license plates of cars in the right-hand lane (on a four or more lane road), as well as cars parked on the right side of the road.
* Rear right-angle camera
This camera captures the license plates of parked cars in a parking lot.
Also, what is to be strongly taken into consideration is that license plates are the property of the state not the owner.
So I would check the state law before giving away a license plate for profit.
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#10 · Posted: 2 Apr 2010 14:00
What was tried before? When? Where?
As to CSI, we are not just focused on license plate data for community protection, that is just a part of what we do as a free service.
We also provide for free our database to law enforcement and Code Amber (separate from Amber Alert).
As to Police scanners, they are good for cars while driving on the road/highways for all that scanning. Our data is not gathered from cars driving down the street but at the real time locations. Therefore providing real time statistical data that companies can use to connect with other data about the things we do as consumers, and the companies can better market their goods and services to us. We are NOT spying, and following people around. Our license plate info, as property of the State (as noted), is public information. Google and other search engines use public housing information on Google maps for commercial gain, so we know that such public information can be used that way by private companies.
Data for marketing purposes is a billion dollar industry and has been done for years. The credit bureaus collect and sale data on us. Websites do it, Google, Yahoo, MSN. We simply now have a way to profit massively from it as individuals. Just like when the long distance, electric and gas industries were deregulated and opened the doors to individuals/entities to profit, and not just be monopolized by a select one or two. The long standing and still going company A.C.N. is still in business a many years later but they took advantage of that deregulation and revolution at the time to create many a thousandnaires, millionaires and those that just made a few hundred in residual a month in network marketing while propelling themselves to a mega successful company.
So as to that, "it" has been done before, and proven that a revolutionary concept can lead to massive success for a company and its independent network marketing reps.
Unfortunately some people are too busy looking at this revolutionary concept, in data gathering and not having to be a distributor who sells, switches, tries and uses anything, the same as in the story of Noah's Ark, where he seemed crazy for building that huge boat. To some, those of us joining and promoting the CSI/Narc Technologies opportunity appear to be crazy and out of our mines if we think this business opportunity is real and has great potential for what the future may bring.
The future of this real time statistical data gathering has yet to be FULLY appreciated in the market place of business, because it has never been done, but one thing is for sure the company CSI started its business based on proving its model to its automotive industry business partners first. Starting out in Dallas, TX at a real bick & mortar business location, and did not just pop up and start saying "hey lets get tags" for profit and build a downline business.
For what it cost to get started and what one can earn for gathering plate data a month and sharing with others, I'm just at a lost as to how anyone that has been in the network marketing/direct sales industry, and I've been involved for 15 years, would want to pass up on such a simple No Selling legitimate viable business venture.
I have yet to find anyone against this business that really knows what they are talking about as to the CSI and where its going as a company and the information being shared by executes in the company make the prospects potentially great. There are a "million" what if comments going around, but all just stemming from people who simply don't like the business and want to bad mouth it for their own vindictive purpose (of course such does not apply to everyone, but in generally)
We often get caught up in will an opportunity last, well we don't know the future. Many people that are laid off with this current REAL unemployment rate of 16.9% thought their "good jobs" were going to last too.
Perseverance is what last. Those that don't quit trying for fear of failure can find themselves staring at success in due course. CSI is just a revolutionary concept that for those that see it, and seize it, and stick with it, they could find themselves handsomely rewarded in the years to come.
And if by chance it did not last and become the next big corporate networking success company, then thank God the business NET start of cost of $50 is no more than a dinner for 4 at Applebees.
I'm having fun and profiting with the business so I know how simple and great it is.
All the best to those that seek other ventures.
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#11 · Posted: 2 Apr 2010 16:40
national unemployment rate: 9.6-9.7 16% where is the number.
I have still yet to see an answer as to how DNA or CSI makes enough money to pay out other than new distributor enrollments. I'm not completely against CSI / DNA but the revenue proof for them to be long term isn't there, and I don't want to turn a prospect on to a program that I can't honstly say that I see being here in 2-3 years.
I don't know how much I buy the advertising income there were several paid to surf programs that have failed completely and they paid something like .05 per hour surfing and they still failed.
Startup is NOT $50 (net) why not advertize the real expense
Its $125 - (25*3 - 30 day start-up bonus) BUT your comissions, and the startup bonus is held till you sign up 4 people, and then there is a check processing fee.
I still agree that 125 & 25/month is a pretty inexpensive program which means the risk / reward scale is pretty low (You need about 9 ppl in your down-line to break even, which given the costs shold be easy to do).. but it all comes down to long term viability, and I have yet to see proof of that.
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#12 · Posted: 2 Apr 2010 18:50 · Edited by: weebitty
I just thought I would claify some things. I am in the program (CSI) as well. I have gotten my money back from my sign up bonus and 3 people. I am only in the intial investment 15.00 that was processing fees for the checks they sent me which the fees will be going away soon. So sign up is 50.00 bonus right away and 25.00 for each person up to 3 that you sign up. That is your orignal investment back. The 24.95 is NOT mandatory but adviseable if you are seriously building a business. That is basically your only cost. As far as the business lasting nobody has any security nowadays. Look at the businesses that have been in business for years and years are shutting their doors. So there are no guarantees of anything. But I will enjoy this business for however long it is here. I love it that there is no selling, there isn't a big learning curve for people, it is super simple to do and you can take it with you wherever you go Yes it takes work but what doesn't if you are wanting to build a business. So I will ride it out however long that is. In all the forums I have read or been in they tell you to deversify anyway so maybe this money will start up a new business in something else.  if I can find one that I like this well and this simple to do
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#13 · Posted: 2 Apr 2010 18:56 · Edited by: FreeCashMan
Let's try and be on point here and not mix and match. DNA tried to copy CSI on the plate data gathering. They didn't realize we were a real and serious business and not just making it up as "something to do"
I believe it would be prudent to distinguish when you are referencing something to DNA , and something to CSI. There has already been enough undue confusion that has impacted people. The two companies are not really comparable when one knows the real facts.
Again, I suggest if one wants to know info they should really get with someone that knows. This will prevent relying on unknowing, loud taking naysayers, and will benefit all that are genuinely interested in a viable No selling opportunity.
Yes the Net start up cost for CSI is truly $50. Because it cost $100 to get started, and one receives a $50 commission for submitting their INITIAL 10 license plate data, plus $5 in the residual "kitty".
One does NOT need to have any referrals to get the initial $50 start up bonus commission for submitting public data (another intentional false statement that naysayers posted).
One does NOT have to pay for the OPTIONAL $25 monthly company webportal to submit their plate data at anytime OR to receive bonuses or commissions (another intentional false statement that naysayers posted). The webportal is essential but absolutely not mandatory.
Since I have nice size downline (I suppose), I can say in truth, that I have many people that have gotten their initial start up bonus without having any referrals, and I have people that initially join and submit their data without having to get the optional company webportal and get paid.
So yes, by accounting standards the NET start up cost is $50 since all one has to do is supply the company data to get it. One can look at it as 50% rebate, net cost, or whatever they like but this is the first time I've seen a company issue out a commission without a referral but for supplying the company with what it needs for its end-user product...Public Data.
To me this really showed that they were about getting the data from a person to build the database, as they could have easily set up a requirement to get the $50 startup bonus as part of getting a referral, but you get a separate bonus on your First 3 referrals, per rank position, that has nothing to do with the initial data submitted start up bonus for a new CSI information consultant.
Now as to the money and long term sustainability of the company. Personally, I'm not going to worry about it for such a low cost start up business to the point that I would be thinking I'm going to be out some substantive money for taking a chance to leverage it into a lot more on a monthly residual basis. And even the best of companies with the best of management have failed, for whatever reason, even when they didn't do anything wrong. Just ask the belated accounting company Arthur Anderson.
However, I understand times are tight, and it's not about just throwing money around. Fact is that if you really do some math (I will post a break down later this weekend) the company could not have survived to this point paying out 3, 4, 5 and now 6 figure monthly checks, when 50% of the start up goes back to the person without any referrals, and the web portal is NOT mandatory, and the company has to pay operating cost because we do have a brick and mortar location. I can assure you that not everyone has the webportal. Although those that are serious and obtaining referrals do, but some elect to get the webportal right before they have a person join, as that is the most convenient and expedient way to sign up a referral online.
The point is that the company, has a partnered major corporation investor(s) that are interested in the future of the database. It is not like people don't invest in future growth of companies. This is done everyday on wallstreet. So how is it so hard to believe, without one having all the explicit details that investors are supporting the company to help it prosper. It's not. It's just easy for a naysayer out there that hate mlm or the ideal of the business to raise a bunch of non substantive what if questions to try and keep people from pursuing a genuine opportunity that may enhance their financial future.
And on a final note, the issue of any fees a company takes in is a matter of is it legal for them to collect those fees. In CSI case, and in the network marketing industry it is already standard accepted business practice to charge $30-$100 for the company business kit. Now with technology, this can and is now virtual. What people are paying for in the start up cost is. The back office and downline reports and sales and training aid (company is in the mist of unveiling their hi-tech training in the month of April). Therefore one isn't just paying a $100 and not getting something in return, or a net $50.
As to the webportal. It is already standard and accepted business practice that a company can charge you a monthly web fee (especially since hosting and internet bandwith aren't free). However the law is you CANNOT mandate such a fee for one to HAVE TO join the business and operate.
Thus the bottom line is CSI is not engaged in anything improper in the collecting of any of the start up cost and monthly webportal fees. Those opposing this business can say what they like but there is no legal foundation for any claim that CSI can't collect the fees and use them to operate the business. However, this company is here because of private investment first and foremost. Investors that understand way more than any one I know about the value of data, and what can be done with it for profit.
Again, anyone that take a good look at this business and the simplicity of it are, in my opinion, missing out of they don't join particularly when it does not conflict with any other business where one can distribute all the goods and services they like. Now if one just is hung up on writing down license plates and don't like the ideal that's another thing.
But I don't see any of these people yelling and calling Google, Yahoo, MSN a scam or shouting privacy concernts when they freaking use government satellites to zoom right into the people of the USA, and others, backyard.
There's nothing to support a scam operation with CSI, or any major concern, nothing at all. Data is a viable product and the database being establish is real (regardless what some people see as having value or not), therefore unless it can be establish that CSI's database is a hoax then you won't see an illegal pyramid situation manifest. See audio link on product at the end.
Now if you understand what I just said there, you'll understand why DNA is "more than data", because they had to be because the license plate data was a "loss leader" a freaking hoodwink to sucker people in to bait and switch for DNA. If they'd just promoted what they have now or become, they never would have gathered tens of thousands of people so fast. But the "pay to play" is on for them now, because at the end of the day, if you are going to have your own viable business you are going to have some start up cost. The way DNA went about it is just not good business practice. A viable opportunity will stand on its own and people will share it accordingly without having to hoodwink people into joining just to bait and switch them for money to get their business started.
Here's an audio excerpt address the issue about CSI not having a product and not being a viable company (there also a link on a blog post of mine if something should happen to this one):
CSI Has A Product - The Product of Data!
http://www.zshare.net/audio/7453121292e7d955/
Make a great weekend folks, as what else could be better.
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#14 · Posted: 2 Apr 2010 19:32 · Edited by: FreeCashMan
Also as to the "real unemployment rate" , just do a search on it.
Here's one link I just pulled from a search: http://www.bearishnews.com/post/201
I watch, probably the only viable news worth watching, my personal opinion of course, the financial news. And it was stated and noted this morning when those sold the world on the "other number"
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#15 · Posted: 3 Apr 2010 11:22
weebitty: I just thought I would claify some things. I am in the program (CSI) as well. I have gotten my money back from my sign up bonus and 3 people. I am only in the intial investment 15.00 that was processing fees for the checks they sent me which the fees will be going away soon. So sign up is 50.00 bonus right away and 25.00 for each person up to 3 that you sign up. That is your orignal investment back. The 24.95 is NOT mandatory but adviseable if you are seriously building a business. That is basically your only cost. As far as the business lasting nobody has any security nowadays. Look at the businesses that have been in business for years and years are shutting their doors. So there are no guarantees of anything. But I will enjoy this business for however long it is here. I love it that there is no selling, there isn't a big learning curve for people, it is super simple to do and you can take it with you wherever you go Yes it takes work but what doesn't if you are wanting to build a business. So I will ride it out however long that is. In all the forums I have read or been in they tell you to deversify anyway so maybe this money will start up a new business in something else. if I can find one that I like this well and this simple to do
Thank you sir for the first real world response about the company instead of canned / 2 page responses.
I haven't killed my interested in DNA or CSI yet, but I'd love to do so.
The 24.99 is not required, why not? how would i get additional IC's I was under the impression that you need that for the IC system.
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#16 · Posted: 3 Apr 2010 12:11
I can assure you that none of my responses are "canned from the company", lol.
I'm just one who has been in the home business industry, and a entrepreneur for over 20 years. I study things and facts and I get to know and understand what I'm a part of, and moreso the particulars of those opposing something I'm in to see if it has merit that would justify me changing my disposition.
All my responses are appropriate and designed to thoroughly address the inaccurate and misinformation that people continue to try and post to sway others unjustifiably. Those folks are the real scammers in my book.
The ones that would say just enough, out of spite or personal dislike of the industry or business, or personal failures, to cause undue doubt from one that is seriously looking to seize a income opportunity to improve their financial well being. It is absurd that people will say and post things because they can easily hid behind an internet connection and have nothing but hot air to support it, or twisted would be facts to make a false appear real, just to give them something to do. We are dealing with real people who need solutions to that will give them income from home, particularly in this time where jobs are far from abundant.
It does not appear you, carterstory, have a genuine interest in the business and are looking to "kill it", unless I'm misunderstanding your comment. I'm sharing my insights for the benefit of others that want and should pursue knowledge and understanding from truly knowledgeable people about CSI, and who need to not just have one-sided inaccurate info in public mediums in order to evaluate this great opportunity.
Now you ask, why is the $24.95 NOT required? It's not, and that is the misnomer, and misinformation that people are trying to post. Notwithstanding such monthly expense is a far cry from what people pay on some of these autoship business opportunities. One can always get the paperwork and mail it into the company for any referrals (IC's). It's just that most people are not going to inefficiently operate their business that way, but lets not try and make a requirement where there is none.
One it is established law that replicating websites cannot be the product of business and mandatory. Now that does not mean that a company can't and should have it as an essential element. What company, even brick and mortar does not have a website these days or in the business of getting one.
And for the "Green" conscious people no using paperwork when you don't have too makes a ton of since.
I think some people's biggest challenge is that they have failed to realize that prior to the internet and advancements in techology, "too good, to be true" just does not have the same meaning as it did in the past.
Look, we take pictures on a mobile phone, that we can email around the world and post a on a website while "out to lunch." Who would have ever imagined that!
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#17 · Posted: 3 Apr 2010 14:32
hwinwood: You are so right. It will definitely not last. It was tried before. Police already has the technology to read thousands of license plates an hour. NYC police read 90,000 plates a day from patrol cars using ANPR! Stationary Automatic License Plate Recognition Systems (ALPR) are common throughout the industrialized world. However, a new mobile Automatic License Plate Recognition System is now available in British Columbia This system can capture up to 3,000 license plates per hour. It has three cameras mounted outside the police vehicle. * Front left side This camera is used to capture license plates of oncoming vehicles. * Front right side This camera is used to capture license plates of cars in the right-hand lane (on a four or more lane road), as well as cars parked on the right side of the road. * Rear right-angle camera This camera captures the license plates of parked cars in a parking lot. Also, what is to be strongly taken into consideration is that license plates are the property of the state not the owner. So I would check the state law before giving away a license plate for profit.
Agreed,
License recognition software is so cheap now that you can drive through a parking lot and scan every plate into a data base, and if there was any value to have people write down plate numbers with little or no organizing of data, helter skelter, no repo company I talked to would use this service, the old reliable system of bank having a persons home and work address, never mind next nearest living relative covers 90% of the repo requirements. Sure, a person could move, change jobs, etc., but having owned a leasing and finance company, whenever I hired a repo company, they would have the car back within a week at most, so the tools are already out there as I see it.
Success to all,
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#18 · Posted: 12 Apr 2010 21:26
http://patrickpretty.com/?s=dna+csi&submit=Go
http://patrickpretty.com/2010/03/14/special-report-license-plate-database-populated-by-narc-t hat-car-affiliates-will-be-used-to-locate-people-firm-changing-name-to-crowd-sourcing-internat ional-vp-rene-couch-to-lay-out-vision/
You will notice there are folks involved with these kinds of business who have background information they obviously wish to hide, such as Rene Couch.
When you see the name KAFELE appear, you should know that this is none other than FreeCashMan.
This 'cash for license plates' business is shady at best.
Most likely a Ponzi scheme.
IF it were 'cash for license plates', then these people would merrily go about writing down license plates, and getting paid.
But of course, the main reason for the DESPERATE and MASSIVE postings of FreeCashMan, both here and in other forums, is to keep this turkey alive while amassing unsuspecting and naive RECRUITS.
RECRUITING is what this is all about!
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#19 · Posted: 12 Apr 2010 22:13 · Edited by: FreeCashMan
TJ Money man has a personal fetish for trying to attack Jah/Freecashman/Ajamu Kafele, and a good thing mlm related, and has shown in this forum his personal dislove for network marketing/mlm, and this wonder data gather business of CSI.
There is absolutely no need to start the same immature postings again, it's all here for people to make their own decision:
Cash For Writing Down License Plates (Narcthatcar)
I'm in the business of CSI, I KNOW about, I love the business and its no selling, tryinging, switching, or using anything concept, and the business is network marketing and you can establish a very profitable downline when you refer others that will simply enter 10 Random license plate data once a month. CSI provides real-time statistical data to its clients and partners, and yup, real-time data requires real people giving us home business seekers an awesome and grand opportunity like no other to generate a little to a lot of extra income working from home. No shame in "my game." I love network marketing and the potential it offers and apparently millions of others do as well as.
I have yet to see anyone that is looking in from the outside to have anything of substance to say to support their scam claims. No one. He who cries foul must back it up, but it can't be done with the CSI business. Data is a real product, and if someone does think so then check with your credit bureaus that gather info on you and DID NOT ask your permission, especially as it relates to public information about you.
People try and frown on the gathering of public data, and yet they are NOT attacking google, and the likes, for their public data gathering of our residents and backyards with satellite views for any and all to see to enhance Google's personal company income.
So as was the case in the other thread I don't converse, or cut conversation directly with people that can't be mature and respectful in presenting their positions, and not try and get off topic with supposedly personal attacks because they have fetish and apparent envy of me and my success or attempts to be sucessful.
Especially from someone that for the longest promoted $5 and above cash gifting, which has been ESTABLISHED by all authorities as illegal. I see TJ has/had removed that referral link in his signature since the issue came up while trying to bash network marketing/mlm and CSI in the noted thread.
I knew TJ would come running here after my comment on the Melaluca board regarding anyone that would try and discredit the company, Melaluca after its well established success record.
Nevertheless, my growing 350 plus team and 4 figure monthly residual checks from CSI, along with the continuous training and support I give my team to help them achieve maximum success speaks for itself, and I continue to rightfully defend the company against those that try and talk down the company with out any substance and foundation to their claims just to keep others away from this unique and grand opportunity.
Any and all naysayers, such as Patrick the pretty guy, and Tom Dooley the I'll help you with understanding mlm help desk, and whomever else. Are pure loud talkers that aren't saying anything of substance as it relates to CSI. Admittedly, they are experts in making it sound like they are, but truth squashes all lies and falsehoods.
The bottom line is that they simple should just come out and be straight up and honest, and say "I don't personally like the business of people writing down public license plate data" and there for I'm going to protest against it, versus making up what if's until resurrection day, and make scam assertions and innuendos as if they know what they are talking about in relation to the CSI opportunity. But that would not be enough to drive the traffic they want and need to their websites so they engage in statements, elaborate word art, and personal attacks to make it look like there is something to be overly concerned with when there is not.
My contact info remains the same for any and everyone that has a genuine interest to get the truth and real deal on this business from someone that knows, and not from others that wish to incite fear amongst people looking for a viable opportunity in which they don't have to SELL a bunch of anything to someone as another salesman distributor, and they don't have to engage in cash gifting to do it. Bring me any issue that you have from a naysayer and I will gladly address it, and much I have already addressed in some medium or another, and then make your own wise decision that works best for you.
Just like people protesting against Melaluca after 25 years of success, there is never a viable network marketing opportunity that is without opposition. But in all that has happen in the past couple months the 45K people that joined the CSI opportunity speaks to the fact that people like what this opportunity offers and understand that it is viable and has great potential.
CSI is just now getting rolling on the success wheels of network marketing. DNA is doing their own thing that may have some promise in regards to the distribution cell phones and selling supposedly inexpensive plans (DNA certainly is NOT truly about public data gathering it was an admitted loss leader, hoodwink to attract people).
Intelligent home business seeker, don't be suckered into naysayer puffery (hype) designed to keep you from truly the simplest and easiest home business ever seen, bar none! CSI is a great opportunity with a great looking future.
--I am Jah!
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#20 · Posted: 14 Apr 2010 18:13 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
Yes Patrick Petty is a good source of information on ponzi schemes:
http://patrickpretty.com/?s=dna+csi&submit=Go
This is a good website on MLMs, and what makes them scammy:
http://www.mlm-thetruth.com/
FreeCashMan: TJ Money man has a personal fetish for trying to attack Jah/Freecashman/Ajamu Kafele
No fetish here.
You aren't that important, interesting, or exciting!
I just want an answer to the question I have been asking.
Are you in fact, Ajamu M. Kafele?
No, your REAL name! Are you Ajamu M. Kafele?
And,
FreeCashMan: I see TJ has/had removed that referral link in his signature since the issue came up while trying to bash network marketing/mlm and CSI in the noted thread.
Upgrade your observation skills my man.
I never stopped promoting ECG - Ezy Cash Gifts
Still there in my sig.
Unlike MLM's, ECG is NOT a pyramid.
There are laws referring to PYRAMIDS, not Cash Gifting.
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