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TJamMoneyMan
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#41 · Posted: 16 May 2010 19:40 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
FreeCashMan: We get paid to gather public data, and supply it to the company.
If you "get paid to gather public data...", then why are you posting, and DOUBLE posting, these extremely long, boring statements here, and at other forums on the net?
Why are you posting videos, and constantly dredging the 'net for suckers to attend phone webinars?
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Desperately seeking RECRUITS!!
Otherwise, why not just gather data and get paid, if that's where the money comes from?
NO, the money comes from RECRUITS - and it is sooo obvious that that is what your purpose here is.
To get naive RECRUITS to pay $100 down, and then $25 a month, in hopes of getting MORE naive RECRUITS to do the same.
Those naive RECRUITS will be looking, NEEDING, others to do the same.
And on and on, until this scam is finally FULLY exposed.
WOW!
You can't even post ONE client can you?
ONE VERIFIABLE PAYING CLIENT, that will attest to the value of your 'service'!
And before you try and come up with ONE fake client:
You will have to do a lot better than that to show how FIFTY THOUSAND CSI members are getting paid from clients who are actually PAYING for this service.
Otherwise, the SIMPLE MATH seems to point to a PONZI scheme, ILLEGAL PYRAMID, or both.
NEW NAIVE RECRUITS appears to be the only source of income for this scam.
FreeCashMan: I don't see people trying to count the income that their employers make in order to pay them a salary.
First off, with a REAL company, selling REAL products, this is obviously unnecessary.
We all know that GM, FORD, and TOYOTA, get their money from selling cars.
DUH!!
AND, these REAL COMPANIES, being publicly traded, DISCLOSE their financial dealings.
I am sure that anyone can discover how many units these types of companies are selling, and their profit.
Tons of other financial information as well.
And no one is on the internet, posting in forums etc., trying to get you to 'join' Walmart, Target, etc.
FreeCashMan: Such things by naysayers are ludicrous.
Oh really?
How's THIS quote, for LUCICROUS:
FreeCashMan: It's the sweetest business opportunity since slice bread.
LOL!!
Really now!!!
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carterstory
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#42 · Posted: 16 May 2010 20:57
TJ, if you aren't combing the 'net for new business partners for any business, be it DNA, Live Smart 360, Avon, NTC (CSI) etc, then you aren't doing it right.. posting videos, blog posts etc. If you aren't creating a network, then you are just a marketing company, and you wont have a downline (Read money), so I'm not sure why you'd be knocking FCM for that..
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#43 · Posted: 17 May 2010 08:27
Interesting,
We all promote what we believe in, and we are not always correct in our decisions, but that is the learning process, and forums like this should be an example of how many different online and offline business opportunities there are, so we choose to the best of our abilities, But to outright attack individual peoples decisions is not going to help anyone. Attack the business if you want, but not the person is how I see it.
You never know when you run into someone in the future who is interested in your business and they recall how you treated them with a previous business, so don't burn your bridges, the internet leaves footprints in the sand of time and I know I don't forget easily when someone trashes me personally, but I have no problem when someone trashes my business choices.
Success to all,
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#44 · Posted: 17 May 2010 12:21
That is what I was trying to say in my post as well. I think you put it very well. Thank you for your sense of reasoning and sanity Now can we all just get along!! LOL
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FreeCashMan
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#45 · Posted: 19 May 2010 11:11
The personal attacks I see on forums are very often the end game of someone commenting that has little to no merit to what they have to say about the respective business opportunity they are trying to put down. So the last resort in the "naysayer handbook" is to try and discredit or put down an individual discussing the respective business.
Denouncing recruiting when we are discussing a network marketing business opportunity, and on a forum where people come looking for Work At Home ideas because that is what the forum is about in whole or part, just doesn't seem intelligent.
Network marketing has established itself, since Amwa,y as the premier gateway for the average person to have an opportunity to generate from a little to a lot of additional income working from home.
I personally love the ideal and concept of network marketing and think it is a great business model. We all refer people to far too many things in which all the rewards go to someone else or some other business. There should be no shame in referring one to an opportunity to generate additional income.
And when I genuine business comes along that doesn't mandate that it's members have to become just another distributor/salesperson that is something I think any networker should be excited about.
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TJamMoneyMan
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#46 · Posted: 21 May 2010 15:36 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
carterstory: TJ, if you aren't combing the 'net for new business partners...then you aren't doing it right...you wont have a downline (Read money), so I'm not sure why you'd be knocking FCM for that..
He's not looking for business partners, but RECRUITS.
The money in NTC/CSI seems to come from the pyramid of recruits, since there are no clients.
If the money comes from CLIENTS, then why is he dredging the net for RECRUITS?
If the money comes from CLIENTS, then who are the CLIENTS?
I don't 'knock FCM', my only issue with him is that he won't answer legitimate questions.
Questions about his business.
His past, which includes his own fraudulent actions.
His name.
Who but a charlatan, with a past he would like to keep hidden, wouldn't man up to his own name?
All this certainly relates to business ethics, and unsubstantiated claims of income, the value of this information 'product', and countless other claims FCM/Jah/Ajamu Kafele is making about the value of NTC/CSI.
Claims we should be expected to question.
Claims that he should be expected to verify.
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weebitty
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#47 · Posted: 21 May 2010 18:51
Number 1. I am not Jah but I am in the business.
Number 2 in my post I told you I don't know who the clients are.
number 3 It can't be coming from recruits or business partners because once you sign up and sign up 3 individuals you get all your money back.
Number 4 the 24.95 a month for the webportal is optional not mandatory.
Number 5. I don't have a past that is shady, never been in jail. Don't even have any tickets to my credit. Have an almost perfect Fico score.
If the company doesn't want or can't reveal their clients then I am ok with that. Do I get paid yes I do.
End of Story. 
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TJamMoneyMan
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#48 · Posted: 21 May 2010 21:58 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
weebitty
I never said u were Jah, been in jail, nor did i ask you ANY of these questions.
weebitty: once you sign up and sign up 3 individuals you get all your money back.
In other words, the money comes from your RECRUITING!
Drop your paranoia, and READ my posts before you comment on them.
'End of Story' is possible when someone is willing to answer ALL relevant questions, instead of hiding from the truth.
weebitty: If the company doesn't want or can't reveal their clients then I am ok with that. Do I get paid yes I do.
You really haven't investigated this scam have you?
You don't know where the money comes from???
Ok, check into ASD, and Bernie Madoff.
It is ALL about WHERE the money comes from.
Otherwise you are talking ILLEGAL PYRAMID, or PONZI SCHEME.
Now, if you are so deluded as to think that CSI/NTC "can't reveal their clients":
Explain why CSI was touting AMBER ALERT as one of their clients - until this was shown to be a lie.
And now Mr FCM/Jah/Ajamu M Kafele attempts to fake us all out on this VERY important issue by saying:
"I personally know of a lady in Cleveland, Ohio that signed up a Lexus dealership and the dealership owner is submitting it to corporate office of Lexus for consideration"
1) obviously CSI can reveal their clients. The only problem being - they don't HAVE any!
2) notice in this quote, that this 'Lexus dealership' is not actually 'signed up', but rather their "corporate office" is 'considering' CSI. Of course, that's IF you can actually BELIEVE anything FCM/Jah/Ajamu M Kafele says - which you can NOT!
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