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#21 · Posted: 22 Apr 2010 12:52
DNA continues to be an interesting case in how they advertise their business and products to get people in and/or make sales
They may very well sustain themselves with the cell phone product and/or other stuff they want their members to sell/distribute, but they marketed that they were going to be offering $10 a month unlimited talk and text for cell phones and that such would be the best deal anywhere, and then they come out and say we only had 75K of that deal and their gone, so now you have to pay twice as much to get the same thing-$20 a month.
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#22 · Posted: 27 Apr 2010 09:59 · Edited by: FreeCashMan
Well now DNA announces that, oops, we have no such special deals on cell phones; they stated the person that set up the "deal" mislead them.
While Crowd Sourcing Int'l (CSI), formally Narc Technologies/Narc That Car has stuck to what it does, simply collecting public data, and giving us reps a simple no selling business, those that were duped into jumping on the DNA mailing list because it was suppose to be such a great free opportunity have been getting spinned into being ad surfers with their plate data, to distributor/sellers of satellite tv, and wal-mart prescription discount card, and cell phones, and whatever else they come up with.
It's unfortunate that so many have been hoodwinked by the hype of DNA that asserted itself as a copy cat of CSI.
Regardless of ones personal feelings about the gathering of public license plate data, it is a fact that CSI has stuck to what it does and continues to provide people a grand & unique opportunity to have a profitable home business by simply writing down public license plate data, with no confusion on what the company does and is about.
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#23 · Posted: 27 Apr 2010 11:07
Well I would have to agree that DNA is not the opportunity it was suppose to be compared to Crowd sourcing Intl. Yes I am a member of it and glad to be one. I haven't had to sell anything, which I am grateful for because I am so burned out on that one. I have tried many many home based business's and I like this one the best of them all. I don't have to buy in and auto ship to everyone and the levels are easy to obtain. The hard part is getting people to believe it is this easy!! I just wish it was around years ago when I was searching for a work at home business. Of course years ago we would have had to snail mail our plates in that could have been counter productive. But I am in it now and going to stay here.
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#24 · Posted: 2 May 2010 21:27
Here's the deal...
I think that DNA works for those who are trying to see if they can hack it in the world of network marketing.. it's free, and it's easy (no selling) so if I have someone that isn't sure I point them to DNA. To start bringing in the big bucks, you better have a way to bring in 20-30 ppl who can bring in another 5-10 people.
Freecashman.. DNA may have made me a CSI convert... I'm with the others here, that I am worried about it's direction / continual swaps. Plus the Pro costs almost as much as CSI. I'm waiting to see that 360 degrees is all about on 5/15 and then I think I'm going try and make a decision.
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#25 · Posted: 6 May 2010 10:40
Well they say it's free, and one can certainly register for free and input car plate numbers while ad surfing (that's the new mandatory requirement because DNA is not establishing a data base like CSI is), but the company is certainly all about having people be nothing more then another distributor/seller of the many, many things they are offering one to sell to make money. It's like they are just throwing stuff out there to see what will stick (and sell).
Since their $10 talk and text cell phone deal went bust, they appear to be offering no better plan for $40 a month than one can get with revolwireless, and now they are back on pushing their $49-$79 special travel package and upgrading for the residual income available at DNA Pro.
DNA had the audacity to try and assert that CSI was an illegal pyramid. Of course they have no foundation for this, and falsely try and accuse CSI of paying out commissions based on the CSI startup cost, but in all fairness they are the ones that may have to look into the issue that may cause actual well established court cases of red flags and FTC alerts.
DNA being a product based network marketing company, contrary to CSI being a service based company, appears to be only selling its products to it's members for commissions. The Amway legal pyramid case clearly established that product based companies must have at least 30% outside sales to non members.
CSI is clear, they are about writing down car plate data for their end-user database that they sell to companies to access, like carfax does with its public car title database sold primarily to car dealerships. We only get paid when people get and input car data, not when they get the company's optional webportal, or just sign up. If no one inputs data no commissions are generated and paid.
While others try to question why CSI will not public disclose its list of growing clients, as if it has to, it is true that CSI has been about what it does since it started over 2 years ago. With all the bad press to try and put the great CSI opportunity down, simply because their are those that don't like the idea, we continue to grow and excel with more greatness to come.
Our opposition is a sign to me of how great the CSI opportunity will be. In general the greater the opposition the more powerful the opportunity. Amway, and others major successful mlm companies, were cursed to death and called frauds and scams, and yet they still live and thrive and those that got in and stayed the course, and continued to work the business have done very well for themselves.
I personally would hate to have missed out on such a great opportunity for a mear $100 start up cost that is going to give me $50 back for inputting my first car plate data, with no referral requirement.
CSI could lead to such greatness like others before it, as we pioneer the revolution of a legitimate business that doesn't require one to be just another distributor/seller, but one can focus on not selling and simply gathering the "product" for the product being sold, and showing others how they can profit from doing the same.
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#26 · Posted: 10 May 2010 15:09
First.. Regarding the otrage abotu the cell phone's and the $10 plan.
Please check out this link.. This guy (MLM Help Desk) has been hard on DNA so you know he's not siding with them out of blind love for the company. Watch the video for the quick and dirty.. DNA was freight trained by Chris Greco, they were acting in good faith, on a deal that was in the works. This deal was then yanked out from under them, and now we've got the 39.99 unlimited plan
MLM help desk on Chris Greco
Note: I am not affilated with MLM Help desk, but am affiliated with DNA.
2nd: For folks in DNA..
Anyone interested in forming a symbiotic relationship working together to bring in more people? I'd like to put together a group 7-14 (I'd rather see 7 people who aren't going to fall out, than 14 with 7 who will) that are willing to put in some time and effort into bettering our techniques, and promoting eachother in a positive way.
And Finally a note to FCM
Why do you feel it necessary to blast other companies.. there's enough room for everyone / everyone's company.
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#27 · Posted: 10 May 2010 19:23 · Edited by: FreeCashMan
carterstory: And Finally a note to FCM Why do you feel it necessary to blast other companies.. there's enough room for everyone / everyone's company.
You do know that is funny, very funny. Now that you registered/joined DNA for free, I'm now being accused of bashing the company.
No, I'm responding to DNA's initial attempts to hijack Crowd Sourcing Int'l's (CSI) actual real car plate data gather business and use it to swindle people on to a list in the name of FREE, in order to get people to upgrade for $130 so they could be regulated to being just Distributors for whatever DNA could come up with for people to buy/sell.
Attraction by Deception that is conducted by the actual principles of the company is not something that should go without being addressed.
No I rarely would get into "bashing" a company, as it is not my style, but I will defend when attacked and when truth needs to be spoken.
DNA lacks any identity as to a business opportunity. They will and have jumped on any and everything that the principles think they can use to now "cover up" their attraction by deception "DNA is free". You and I both now that DNA would not have over 100K people "registered" for free if they had not sold them on some grand income scheme for free. That's just a fact. The other fact is the grand income scheme as to gather data is a hoodwink, a "loss leader" strategy as they put it.
"What Does Loss Leader Strategy Mean?
A business strategy in which a business offers a product or service at a price that is not profitable for the sake of offering another product/service at a greater profit or to attract new customers. This is a common practice when a business first enters a market; a loss leader introduces new customers to a service or product in the hope of building a customer base and securing future recurring revenue."
- http://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/lossleader.asp
So they aren't and never have been really about building a database of car plate data for commercial enterprise, like CSI. They are about having people sell/buy Dish/DirectTV satellite, security systems, special sleep well systems, DNA's own "whatchamacallits", and now cell phones.
And now the $40 cell phone dell is being canceled and stated as a limited offer, and now you can essential get the same deal from them as you get from the other major cell phone companies. Nothing special, except they are going to pay you a nice residual if build a team of cell phone sellers/distributors/users, that also upgrade to DNA pro for $130. (and you get road side assistance with your plan)
Oh and btw, you can input some car plate data in DNA back office while surfing some ads...C'mon, please!
My purpose is to make sure that people are clear that DNA is NOT CSI and that DNA is not remotely about what CSI is about and does.
CSI business opportunity is strictly about gather public data, no selling and getting paid residual income from you and your network.
That being said, I do wish anyone that goes with DNA the best, just understand what you have and are dealing with with them, for next month they will have something else for you to sell/distribute. Reps are internet "general goods" stores for whatever the guru marketing principles of DNA can come up with.
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#28 · Posted: 12 May 2010 10:40
FreeCashMan
Funny,
Yes, I was registered too, but not to promote it, but to research it further as I do every new business that hits the internet. The moment I heard of DNA, and who was behind it, I had to laugh, the king of failures was the one behind it, so that was all I had to hear. lol
Simply put, NARC came onto the market and as I researched it too, I did not see it as something I was interested in. Having owned a lease and finance company, and having repo people I had to call from time to time, I called and asked if this made any sense, they laughed, so that pretty much made up my mind, I don't have time to drive through parking lots and jotting down plates.
Whether or not NARC or whatever their name now is succeeds, who knows, good luck for those who are working it, but the point is, DNA is nothing but a copycat which wanted to ride on the success of NARC launch, so out of the blue, they offer the same deal, but for free, or at least free upfront. When you understand who is behind it, you know this is his MO, over and over and over again. I can name a dozen failures in last few years which were all run the same way, hype, hype, and more hype.
Bottom line, do your due dilligence on any company you are thinking of joining, especially ones which want to get into your wallet up front. lol When DNA hyped up their $10. cell phone deal, I said, sure, and the spillover fairy is real. lol Well, just as expected, that deal was as phony as all the other things being promoted. There is no such thing as a $10. unlimited wireless deal when using the same BIG four every reseller uses. The wireless wars are in full swing, so forget any MLM who is selling wireless, the margins are dropping like a rock, just look at Lightyear, now on financial life support if you read the SEC reports. There just isn't the same profits there once were in wireless, just as it happened with the deregulation of long distance, the margins are gone, as are all the MLM deals which promoted telecom. A few are hanging on, but other than prepaid industry, telecom MLM's are dead. In a short time a new satellite wireless is hitting market which will kill them all for barely more than $10. a month, so look for even more pressure on prices in the near future as prices continue to drop.
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#29 · Posted: 13 May 2010 09:48 · Edited by: FreeCashMan
I wouldn't expect every business that may be able to benefit from the CSI database to have an interest. There's no one size fit all product. However, I personally know of a lady in Cleveland, Ohio that signed up a Lexus dealership and the dealership owner is submitting it to corporate office of Lexus for consideration because he really liked the idea.
Thus there will be those that our attracted to the idea and the database.
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#30 · Posted: 13 May 2010 11:25
FreeCashMan: I wouldn't expect every business that may be able to benefit from the CSI database to have an interest. There's no one size fit all product. However, I personally know of a lady in Cleveland, Ohio that signed up a Lexus dealership and the dealership owner is submitting it to corporate office of Lexus for consideration because he really liked the idea.
Interesting,
Since Toyota does the financing, the car manufacturer could care less about such data, only Toyota Finance would, so keep us posted on this Lexus dealerships success if you can, I am curious if Toyota Finance would be interested.
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#31 · Posted: 13 May 2010 22:05
FREEBUSINESSES: keep us posted on this Lexus dealerships success if you can
He won't.
It's all a scam.
They won't list their clients - because they don't have any.
FreeCashMan won't tell you he is AJAMU M KAFELE, because, if you google that name, he has a lot of bad info out there on him.
Including a conviction for practicing law without a license.
It's a scam.
Promoted here at WAHF by a convicted charlatan.
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#32 · Posted: 13 May 2010 23:12
I would like to say that I am in CSI and I will continue to promote this business. Free cash man does not own/run this business so I am not sure why you keep bring up anything bad about him because it doesn't have anything to do with anything. The business is infact working to resolve issues right now. They have had their growing pains and they are working to resolve them. I have been paid by the company and I have no reason up to this point to disbelieve what they are saying so far. I maybe wrong but if you look at the credit bureau what do they sell??? Information. I do surveys what do they pay me for........information. If I recruit someone I also get rewarded for refering them so I am not sure what the problem is with this business. Yes you say that there is no clients.......Do you know this for a fact??? Or are you just guessing. I don't know it for a fact either so I won't pretend that I do. I am working the business in good faith because I like the concept it is easy and inexpensive to run. No selling no inventory etc which I have done and am burned out on. So everyone has given their opinion why don't we all just wait and see what happens?? Time will tell right??
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#33 · Posted: 13 May 2010 23:20 · Edited by: FreeCashMan
You already came here and tried to spread you personal hate of Jah on this thread. I responded here:
Who is into D.N.A. Data Network Affiliates ?
You comments continue to be completely worthless for a guy who promotes cash gifting which all authorities have determined to be illegal and a scam operation.
I am who I am and I don't hide. Yet, God still continues to Bless me with success that you wish you had.
Now as noted, the lady signed up a Lexus car lot dealership. That's a done deal, it's just a matter of if the others come into the fold.
But sorry there is no scam here, just those who dislike the CSI opportunity because we write down public license plate data.
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#34 · Posted: 14 May 2010 07:25
Guys we all need to relax.
FCM, you really need to tone down your attitude, this should be a friendly environment, You also have no idea how successful people are so saying "success you wish you had" ins't that great.
FCM... Maybe it was bad timing, maybe it was divine intervention.. But you know the #1 thing that turned me off CSI (I have looked into it and considered it). I filled out their contact form with a few questions, and they never got answered, (twice in fact just to make sure). It's pretty sad when someone wants to give them money to sign up and they don't answer a few questions.
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#35 · Posted: 14 May 2010 08:40
Man, that makes no sense, you get questions answered from the representative that is referring you. That is how network marketing works. Can you imagine every network marketing company trying to answer every inquire from prospects and the actual members.
You simply took the wrong course of action to get questions answered. The company would have only referred you to the local representative and/your sponsor.
If people can post all these improper and unjust things about CSI here then certainly any genuine inquiry/question can be posted and responded too.
I simply do not understand that excuse you gave as a reason for not joining.
btw, I'm friendly, but I'm like anyone else that would be attack. The naysayers, some, don't have any info and true understanding of the company so they resorted to trying to disclose info about me that has no relevance to try and make an issue about the company where there is none. I could have previously robbed a bank and be reformed, I'm not a principle of CSI in any capacity so my personal life has no bearing.
As to how I support and help my team, my track record from those that KNOW speaks for itself.
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#36 · Posted: 14 May 2010 20:04
FCM, I understand your perspective, and I could have asked an IC..
If they can't answer the questions, then they should not have an option to contact them directly, they should say.. find a sponsor and ask them.. I've seen other companies do it and I've followed it but to take an inquiry and not respond turned me off
Also.. I'm done with this thread.. because it's become a pissing match between DNA & CSI, and is no longer about the DNA opportunity. I may open up a new thread on this if the mods are OK with it.
I'll leave everyone with this...
If you want to join a network marketing company entering in plates for free and put effort into it and make money with multiple avenues (more forthcoming) look into D.N.A. I'd suggest you join up under one of the people on this forum, (keep it in the community)
If you want a higher payout entering plates, with a $50 signup, then take a look into CSI, I'd suggest joining up under FreeCashMan because he knows his business has been successful and will make sure you grow your business.
-Adam
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#37 · Posted: 14 May 2010 22:20
weebitty: you say that there is no clients.......Do you know this for a fact???
You yourself should know who the clients are IF, as you claim, you have been paid.
That is, IF you have wisely chosen to INVESTIGATE this 'opportunity'.
Where has the money you have been paid come from?
IF there are actually clients paying for this service:
Simply post a list of clients!
Clients who have actually PAID for this service.
How much money these clients have paid.
A reference from clients who have paid for this service and found it useful.
Verifiable information of course.
According to CSI propaganda, 50,000 people have bought into this dubious scheme.
50,000 CURRENT members!
That's a total of FIVE MILLION DOLLARS in one time payments!
With a residual of about 1.25 MILLION DOLLARS EACH MONTH!!!
I suspect you are being paid by this money generated, if indeed there are 50,000 members.
If so, that alone makes it a ponzi scheme.
If CSI won't post a verifiable list of clients, this is a reasonable suspicion.
Otherwise, simply post a list/link of clients and how much money they have paid for this 'service'.
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#38 · Posted: 14 May 2010 22:25 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
FreeCashMan: I am who I am and I don't hide.
Then why won't you admit your NAME?
How can you trust someone who won't be man enough to own up to HIS OWN NAME??
Your REAL name, not this "I am Jah", "I am who I am", crapola!!
FreeCashMan: I could have previously robbed a bank and be reformed
Such BS!
If you were "reformed", you would FIRST admit to what you did in the past, which in your case, is a conviction for practicing law without a license - basic dishonesty, a SCAM.
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#39 · Posted: 15 May 2010 11:36 · Edited by: FreeCashMan
The only people that worry about what someone else is making and tries to count their dollars and use it as reason to not take part in a business tend to be people that are broke.
A company should be making money if its going to succeed. I don't see people trying to count the income that their employers make in order to pay them a salary. Such things by naysayers are ludicrous.
The unfortunate part is people don't sit back and do the math. As the math shows that the start up fees are insufficient to cover payouts. However, I will be breaking this down in a new video I'm releasing soon, so as to put this naysayer garbage to rest.
It's amazing how people want a simple, true and straight forward business opportunity to help them generate additional income, and then complain when a real one comes along.
We get paid to gather public data, and supply it to the company. It's the sweetest business opportunity since slice bread. And our presentation info shares the due diligence from those in the know that validate this business a real.
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#40 · Posted: 15 May 2010 11:45 · Edited by: FreeCashMan
carterstory: FCM, I understand your perspective, and I could have asked an IC.. If they can't answer the questions, then they should not have an option to contact them directly, they should say.. find a sponsor and ask them.. I've seen other companies do it and I've followed it but to take an inquiry and not respond turned me off
carterstory, I do understand you point and it's not without merit. My point was that there are ways to get the answer you or anyone would want to make the decision that is best for them.
The company is working hard on the customer service matters, the grow of over 45K reps in 90 or so days, did hit the company hard, but these and other challenges are being over come.
Being on the front-end of great opportunity is tough as one has to endure the building out of "perfection", but the reward can be extremely great as it can put many people amongst the elite of massively successful networkers and home business entrepreneurs.
Lastly, I would say that, now that it is clear as to the difference with CSI and DNA, I don't think we will see much controversy. Of course there will be those that find passion in just making a point to "hate" on the business (or me personally) as if they are Saints, but any dialog at this point should be relevant for those of us that chose to do so.
DNA offers what it offers and that will certainly work for some, and one thing is for sure, DNA may very well come out with some good deals.
CSI will be about its simple data gather business, and it will work for some, as well
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