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TJamMoneyMan
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#161 · Posted: 14 Feb 2010 21:39
ImportEyedea: I will pm you though out of respect to those that might have real questions for the Mel advocates. Sorry to derail the original topic =)
Not a problem!
I can't imagine much of a 'derailment' going on here.
It's the same old Melaleuca denials, and semantics!!
Every topic has been brought up about Mel.
Same old tired excuses and answers...
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TJamMoneyMan
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#162 · Posted: 14 Feb 2010 22:10 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
localdoc: the question is do we get enough of what nature gives us to have the nutrients that we need? lets take for example, vitamin E, to get at least of 400IU of Vitamin E, we either need to take 3.6 cups of safflower oil or, 28.8 pounds of spinach (boiled), 2.3 pounds of dry roasted almonds or, 4.5 pounds of wheat germ DAILY!... and this is only for Vit E. what about Vit C, we need at least 8 large oranges per day for adequat dose of Vit C. What about calcium, 4L of fresh Milk per day!
This is the silliest type of oft repeated argument.
First off, there is more than one source for what we need, be it vitamin C, calcium, or any other nutrient.
Just eat a variety of NATURAL whole foods. MINIMALLY processed.
Cooked and/or prepared healthfully.
You will get the nutrients you need.
Whatever food sources are available.
We have been humans for nearly a million years.
Cultures of human beings have thrived on all continents, except maybe Antartica.
Excellent human specimens abound in just about every one of them.
And guess what?
No supplements!
And no ridiculously unbalanced diet like you are mentioning here.
If you can't understand that:
Whatever your religious outlook, do you think we were created here on a planet, without the food we need being readily available?
Could a 'creator of the universe' be so negligent?
What animal in nature eats like that?
Let's be reasonable.
No human needs to eat like that to be healthy.
And humans have been healthy for countless generations!
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jocafe
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#163 · Posted: 27 Feb 2010 08:21
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My aunt joined in january, only referred 3 people to buy from the Melaleuca store (no worst than referring a friend to your favourite restaurant) and got a cheque for 150$ for it. the products cost 80$ per month, so she did a 70$ profit. She referred 5 more in Feb, wonder how much her cheque will be for February. I joined because of my asthma and worked for Environment Canada for 10 years. I believe that every little step we take makes a difference. I have referred two people in Feb. Waiting for my cheque... Write me if you want to talk more about it.
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#164 · Posted: 27 Feb 2010 20:59
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One month, it all depends on your referrals. My aunt referred 3 in January 2010, in February, she got $150 dollar check in her mail!!! Now, I don't thing your average store will give you money for shopping there.
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#165 · Posted: 13 Mar 2010 11:48
I don't believe in animal testing. It is cruel and animal DNA is different than human DNA, so many times animal testing is not beneficial after all. Even if you do support animal testing, the fact is that Melaleuca boasts that they do not test, and in reality they DO. That is lying, my friends. The thing is, they know that a lot of people are drawn to products that do not test on animals for ethical reasons and Melaleuca has misled these people (including myself) in the worst way. What is even worse is the sick feeling that you get when you have told others about them not testing on animals and you realize you've been lied to.
Believe it or not, animal testing on household products and cosmetics, etc are not required by the FDA and are not necessary!
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TJamMoneyMan
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#166 · Posted: 14 Mar 2010 19:16
jocafe: ...it all depends on your referrals.
Yes, that's what MLM pyramids are all about REFERRALS!!
jocafe: Now, I don't thing your average store will give you money for shopping there.
"Your average store" will simply give you a product at a COMPETITIVE price, not requiring you to go out and sell that same product.
You are an END USER, at an 'average store', not a distributor, who has to then go out and find a distributor, who will have to go out and find a distributor...
At an 'average store' you simply purchase a product for it's inherent perceived or real value.
Get real!
No one at MELALEUCA or any other MLM is giving you ANYTHING!
You have to RECRUIT others, who also have to RECRUIT others, who also have to RECRUIT others, who also have to...
Do you get the picture?
Yes folx, "..it all depends on your referrals" (RECRUITING those who will only have to do MORE RECRUITING!!).
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#167 · Posted: 24 Mar 2010 09:18 · Edited by: melanow
TJamMoneyMan: "Your average store" will simply give you a product at a COMPETITIVE price, not requiring you to go out and sell that same product.
That is false information
Melaleuca does not require to go out and sell the product
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#168 · Posted: 24 Mar 2010 09:31 · Edited by: melanow
TJamMoneyMan: You are an END USER, at an 'average store', not a distributor, who has to then go out and find a distributor, who will have to go out and find a distributor... At an 'average store' you simply purchase a product for it's inherent perceived or real value.
That is also not accurate.
At Melaleuca you are an end user not a distributor.
65% of the customers are there just to get high quality non toxic
products at a discount price
35% choose to build a business, but they do not distribute the product.
All they do to build a business is refer others to be customers and get paid a commission.
Melaleuca is customer purchasing direct from the manufacturer.
The products have done a lot for my family as published in My Story
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#169 · Posted: 24 Mar 2010 10:24
I believe Melaleuca is called a direct sales company and melanow is correct, you can just be a consumer and are not required to recruit others unless you want to build a business.
Mark
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#170 · Posted: 24 Mar 2010 17:17
Melaleuca has some great products. I found getting others to look at the products and the team building system very difficult. I found other companies that had similiar products at great prices so we have strayed from the fold. We are working with an online shopping company that gives us access to brand name stores and over 15,000 green eco-friendly products. Making more money than I did with Melaleuca.
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#171 · Posted: 25 Mar 2010 06:37 · Edited by: melanow
jventrone: Melaleuca has some great products. I found getting others to look at the products and the team building system very difficult. I found other companies that had similiar products at great prices so we have strayed from the fold. We are working with an online shopping company that gives us access to brand name stores and over 15,000 green eco-friendly products. Making more money than I did with Melaleuca.
Would you mind giving me the name of the company, I would like to take a look.
Thanks,
George
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#172 · Posted: 27 Mar 2010 22:59
I love many of Melaleuca products. If your the type of person that enjoys personal sales and cold calls than it is a repeatable company.
Success to us all!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trish
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TJamMoneyMan
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#173 · Posted: 28 Mar 2010 17:58 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
mtran2000: melanow is correct, you can just be a consumer and are not required to recruit others unless you want to build a business.
Of course, you can buy the products if you like, and be the end user.
And I imagine you can buy pretty much anything in the world, and be the end user, if that is your choice.
But as your statement indicates, you are "REQUIRED TO RECRUIT OTHERS (if) you want to build a business".
And of course THOSE recruits will have to RECRUIT OTHERS, who will have to RECRUIT OTHERS etc...
And unless things have changed since I was approached.
To "build a business", REQUIRES making a subscribed regular purchase - however you want to phrase it.
At least that was precisely what I was told I would have to do, in order to 'build a business' at Melaleuca.
Now, I wonder if the 'end user' would be getting a lower price than the
distributor/"build a business"-person, for the exact same product purchased?
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#174 · Posted: 28 Mar 2010 18:21 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
mtran2000: I believe Melaleuca is called a direct sales company
I believe you can call Melaleuca anything you like.
It's STILL an MLM!
Calling themselves, 'the world's only CDM, Consumer Direct Marketing, company', is their chosen ploy.
Of course, since CDM is their own registered trademark they can make that claim, and for the same reason, no other company can.
It's STILL an MLM!
But Direct Sales, is but one of the more recent euphemisms for MLM - Multi Level Marketing to come along.
Re http://www.mlm-thetruth.com/dsa:
"...since multi-level sounded too much like a pyramid scheme, they coined the term "network marketing." Then, since it sounded even less pyramid-like, they sought to be called "direct selling" companies. So one-by-one they joined the Direct Selling Association and now boldly declare they are direct selling companies."
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#175 · Posted: 28 Mar 2010 18:48
melanow: TJamMoneyMan: "Your average store" will simply give you a product at a COMPETITIVE price, not requiring you to go out and sell that same product. That is false information Melaleuca does not require to go out and sell the product
That was correct information.
Both in fact and CONTEXT:
While Melaleuca may not require you to go out and sell the product.
You only get money by REFERRING others.
And jocafe was referring to people getting a check for REFERRING others:
jocafe: My aunt referred 3 in January 2010, in February, she got $150 dollar check in her mail!!! Now, I don't thing your average store will give you money for shopping there.
However, Jocafe went on to compare the MLM business plan of RECRUITING/REFERRING others for compensation (payment), to the business of an "average store", which ONLY sells products to END USERS.
Now, please tell me, what "average store" gives you money for RECRUITING/REFERRING?
RECRUITING/REFERRING is the substance of MLM business practice.
And, an "average store" does NOT recruit others to sell the same products IT is selling to it's own end users.
And no, jocafe, no one gives you money for SHOPPING either.
Not as a regular business practice.
Where does this Recruiting/Referring payment come from?
What business will give you ANYTHING, that is not built into the price of the product?
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#176 · Posted: 29 Mar 2010 10:44
I know a number of paople using selling their products and they like the company and the products quite a bit.
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#177 · Posted: 31 Mar 2010 07:54
trish777: If your the type of person that enjoys personal sales and cold calls than it is a repeatable company.
Cold calling is really fun and and anybody can do it. It is really quite a skill and it can easily be learned with the proper training. Any one can learn how to do it successfully. Even if you don't like it at first, you can learn it and have fun with it. Melaleuca has live cold call training calls, where an executive actually calls leads. You can dial a number and call in and listen. It's pretty cool. They are not trying to setup accounts, they are trying to get people to 3-way into a live presentation that explains the company, the products, price comparisons, and the compensation plan. The company has about 40 live presentations a week.
Thanks,
George
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#178 · Posted: 31 Mar 2010 11:12
I was with Melaleuca for 2-3 yrs. I quit when I quit my job and couldn't pay the monthly product fee.
If I hadn't quit my job I would probably still be with them as a customer.
I don't like being on the phone for the conference calls and being on the phone period so I didn't do well using it as a business.
The compensation plan is just ok in my opinion. I don't like HAVING to buy more when you reach higher levels.
The products are really great and I may rejoin just to buy them at the customer price in the near future.
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#179 · Posted: 31 Mar 2010 11:47
Hey guys, I'm new to the forum. just wanted to say Hi.
I joined Melaleuca a back in Janruary. I canceled my membership a few weeks ago. The lady who signed me up was great, wasnt' pushy, the company is really quite good as a whole and if you were just buying products it'd be fantastic, but when it comes to the business side of things, the compensation plan is very confusing, and hard to understand and the system they used for marketing was very cumbersome and not very duplicable. just my opinion.
But I mean the products are fantastic. Company seemed to be a little antiquated in as much as they still mail checks out to you and you can't see any business statistics online, which is very odd. well for free anyway. you have to pay for it.
Only my opinion. 
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#180 · Posted: 1 Apr 2010 07:37 · Edited by: melanow
wealth10k: Company seemed to be a little antiquated in as much as they still mail checks out to you
They have direct deposit and they also pay weekly if you want it or prefer it.
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