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#141 · Posted: 31 Jan 2010 05:08
Okay, after reading this forum post, I am as confused as ever. I am a new customer and being a SAHM, I want to bring in a little extra income without sacrificing my time as a Mom. Melaleuca seemed like a good option (no inventory, no flogging to friends/family). I am also doing it through a group called CEO Moms, so the team aspect is really amazing.
B U T
I am also a huge sceptic, have now put HOURS into researching Melaleuca and their products (mainly ingredients and the many suppliers they deal with) and have no found their products to be really any safer, non-toxic or environmentally friendly than much else out there?
Sure, the laudry soap is 6x concentrated so the packaging is less, but what about what is IN the bottle. There is no ingredient list on the website. Hmmmm. I currently make laundry soap for my family that consists of Borax, washing soda and pure soap. Three incredients plus good ol H2O. Does it wash my clothes, yes. But I like some of the Melaleuca products, and others I'm leary of because of the ingredients AND their hype of being natural and non-toxic.
Here is my latest example. The Melaleuca origional shampoo. The ingredient after water is Sodium Coco-Sulphate. Sounds chemical, sounds scientific and what the heck is that?!?! But it does sound better than the dreaded Sodium Lauryl Sulphate! Right?? Wrong. Same thing. One is made with Palm Oil (lauryl) and the other coconut (coco). So it sound better, but is really no better at all.
So really, how is Melaleuca "safer" for my family and environment? More confused with each new search I do......
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#142 · Posted: 8 Feb 2010 13:42
goforit
Why not contact the company directly? 
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#143 · Posted: 8 Feb 2010 18:21
3forme, I applaud your efforts to thoroughly research the company and its products. Nothing's worse than signing up for an expensive auto ship and realizing that you'll be getting products you can't or won't use.
For me the thought of selling crap I don't like/use to other people is akin to one of the later Circles of Hell (like 6 or 7)
My personal recommendation is perhaps look at an affiliate marketing opportunity that's based around something other than nutritional products, unless its something you feel deeply passionate about it. While they are a great sell in some markets, there's an incredible amount of competition.
I don't mean to seem forward, or preachy. I've just seen firsthand how difficult it can be to maintain your focus and determination if you don't truly believe in what you're doing. And that goes double when it comes to trying to build a team. If you're not into it, people will see it and act accordingly.
Please let us know how your journey progresses! Hopefully you'll be able to gain a lot of insight while you're here!
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#144 · Posted: 8 Feb 2010 21:21
Hi everyone,
How do you do?
Melaleuca is really great business. I am happy by having a business than can let me try for 60 days. Even I am not happy with a product, I can return for exchanging or choose to get back the money 100% before 60 days expired.
In contra, do you think an affiliate program let you try for 60 days with paying anything? Do you think network marketing program is everyone cup of tea? One succeed in one particular program (Don't even mention it is of no bringing any wellness to improve my health and environment, 24hrs stick with a PC>good health?) doesn't meant everyone can follow. The creator of an affiliate program tend to make another new program or upgrade, then selling again to you. Imagine you have not make any sales fro you 1st participated program, they already came out newer version. Didn't you feel tiring in this way?
At Melaleuca, it is different, we are being taught how to do this business right until we succeed. We learn how to appreciate upline, how to take care of downline, how to love the environment and so forth. What can you get from selling something you can't see and feel?
Next month, in Malaysia, we start to buy Melaleuca products. I am going to try for more than 80 types of product and teach my frienda to use at least 35 products until they know how to order by themselves. This needs an effort for 4 to 6 months. However,the effort will be paid off at the end. This is because, I know they are the old customers that are going to be my life time generator passive income for life. Also allow me pass over to 3 generations.
What more better is, even you don't like to do warm market, you are still be eligible to earn free2 generations that is enough to cover your purchase amounted to US$50-US$60. How good is this for those that are not willing open mouth or refer to anybody? Perceive current economy situation, save your money is a nice thing to have at this moment of time. Do I have to say more?
Alright, for those that wanna know how to do Melaleuca in the right way, I am willing to help, share and co-operate with you. I won't succeed without you.
Sincerely,
Henry
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#145 · Posted: 9 Feb 2010 22:35
Henry,
While a 60 day trial is nice, there is also much more of an up front investment, including shipping fees and time to ship.
There are many Affiliate programs with Free trials, including the one I participate in. It does not require a monthly autoship, nor a point system, nor changing my family's personal habits.
It is also very difficult to convince others to change their hygiene habits as well! i for one do not like the idea of talking people into using an entirely different line of products than they're accustomed to. That's sales.
Marketing is different, so I suppose choosing between the two is something important to take into consideration.
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#146 · Posted: 9 Feb 2010 22:59 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
ImportEyedea: My personal recommendation is perhaps look at an affiliate marketing opportunity that's based around something other than nutritional products
Oh yes!
The only 'nutritional products' we need are healthfully grown and prepared fruits, vegetables, whole grains, etc.
The only thing we need to drink - water!
You want to lose weight?
Eat less/better, and exercise!
You can believe what people who process and sell supplements if you want to.
But everything your body needs is available in nature.
Every supplement/nutritional product manmade has yet to prove what is claimed.
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#147 · Posted: 10 Feb 2010 07:04
ImportEyedea: There are many Affiliate programs with Free trials, including the one I participate in. It does not require a monthly autoship, nor a point system, nor changing my family's personal habits.
Thanks for the replied.
There are many affiliate programs ? 
I am sweating ,are you?
I prefer to have something unique that can generate wellness to the people. I am sharing nice product with my friends and care about them. I am not selling an affiliate programs that put me behind a cool mask. That's a big different.
I am looking at a business that lasts and not keep trying with errors free. How much do you have to devote your entire time on this? Melaleuca is no selling involve. If you said Melaleuca involve selling, you don't rally understand Melaleuca. As long as selling takes place, you have to start from zero every month. You don't do selling, you have no income. Oh, yeah, networking or mlm does bring residual income to you. Sadly to say, you have to join as early as you can, usually is.
You might well-verse in affiliate programs but definitely is not Melaleuca. Melaleuca is a unique business that lasts.
Let's take one example here. In order for you to earn US$2850 per month, your one single leg/single line reaches 500 people, you reach the destination. Think carefully, depend on how you put your effort to find that 500 people. You can find 1 people in a day, 1 in a week, 1 in two weeks, 1 in a month and so on. The key point here is, as long as you never give up even you take 2 years/5years/10 years...you will definitely reach that 500 people in a certain time of period.
And the stronger point here is you don't have to start all over again and find new customer. You have 100 customers in your business, 95% of happy old customers will come back to buy products from Melaleuca which resulted you make money month after month. This is very hard to be achieved in mlm, direct sales or network marketing programs. All else I won't have to see those similar mlm people face again and again. They should have retired or at least slow down their crazy promotion through out the entire web. Why? Because they have do.
To me not you. "I don't believe people don't like Melaleuca, but I do believe people don't understand Melaleuca."
Have an awesome day
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#148 · Posted: 12 Feb 2010 02:47
To 'TJamMoneyMan'
You are definitely right when you mentioned that 'everthing your body needs is available in nature'.. the question is do we get enough of what nature gives us to have the nutrients that we need? lets take for example, vitamin E, to get at least of 400IU of Vitamin E, we either need to take 3.6 cups of safflower oil or, 28.8 pounds of spinach (boiled), 2.3 pounds of dry roasted almonds or, 4.5 pounds of wheat germ DAILY!... and this is only for Vit E. what about Vit C, we need at least 8 large oranges per day for adequat dose of Vit C. What about calcium, 4L of fresh Milk per day! if you are a big eater , then you would definitely gets what you need.! and make sure all those food that you eat are not processed, directly from the farm, only boild, no other oil accept saffflower and so on..
This kind of eating is definitely impossible in our modern daily lives. And it is with this reason that all of us need supplements.!
If you think i'm writing false claims here, then check out the USDA Nutrition Assistance Program report series CN01-CDI yourselves.
I beg to differ when you mentioned that nutritional products/supplement has yet to prove what is claimed.! you are definitely wrong.. why? well the answer is published in a Clinical Review in JAMA 2002 that in short says that supplements is a NEED for chronic diseae prevention. (JAMA = Americal Journal of Medicine)
send me an email or private message if you need more scientific papers about supplements and nutritional products. I have quite a lot and don't mind to share.
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#149 · Posted: 12 Feb 2010 02:53
21decadeniche
i don't agree that the person that joins a MLM business first will earn the more money.. people wants to be first because the market is virgin. With the right compensation plan, whenever a person join and work hard, he or she will be the top distributor!
In the mlm venture that i'm in, i earn more than my upline and at the same time there are downlines that earn more than me!
cheers!
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#150 · Posted: 12 Feb 2010 22:45
21decadeniche: There are many affiliate programs ? I am sweating ,are you?
no, I'm not actually, its about 26 degrees where I am.
21decadeniche: Let's take one example here. In order for you to earn US$2850 per month, your one single leg/single line reaches 500 people, you reach the destination. Think carefully, depend on how you put your effort to find that 500 people. You can find 1 people in a day, 1 in a week, 1 in two weeks, 1 in a month and so on. The key point here is, as long as you never give up even you take 2 years/5years/10 years...you will definitely reach that 500 people in a certain time of period.
Ok so I find 500 people. They just automatically start buying things from me? I don't have to tell them about the Minty smelling products or the comp plan? I find that kind of hard to believe. Actually I know its impossible.
21decadeniche: I am looking at a business that lasts and not keep trying with errors free. How much do you have to devote your entire time on this? Melaleuca is no selling involve. If you said Melaleuca involve selling, you don't rally understand Melaleuca. As long as selling takes place, you have to start from zero every month. You don't do selling, you have no income. Oh, yeah, networking or mlm does bring residual income to you. Sadly to say, you have to join as early as you can, usually is.
21decadeniche: And the stronger point here is you don't have to start all over again and find new customer. You have 100 customers in your business, 95% of happy old customers will come back to buy products from Melaleuca which resulted you make money month after month. This is very hard to be achieved in mlm, direct sales or network marketing programs. All else I won't have to see those similar mlm people face again and again. They should have retired or at least slow down their crazy promotion through out the entire web. Why? Because they have do.
Melaleuca is an MLM. I know for a fact they pay down multiple levels and despite the fact that Melaleuca is trying to separate themselves from what can be the stigma of Network marketing, their payout structure says otherwise.
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#151 · Posted: 12 Feb 2010 23:00
localdoc: And it is with this reason that all of us need supplements.! If you think i'm writing false claims here, then check out the USDA Nutrition Assistance Program report series CN01-CDI yourselves. I beg to differ when you mentioned that nutritional products/supplement has yet to prove what is claimed.! you are definitely wrong.. why? well the answer is published in a Clinical Review in JAMA 2002 that in short says that supplements is a NEED for chronic diseae prevention. (JAMA = Americal Journal of Medicine)
If you are trying to say that the need for supplements is uncontested.
That there is no controversy or scientific evidence suggesting otherwise.
Then yes, you are making false claims.
But take this subject to the section here at WAHF where we discuss health and similar matters.
This thread is supposed to be about Melaleuca, and the claims THEY make.
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#152 · Posted: 12 Feb 2010 23:09
TJamMoneyMan: The only 'nutritional products' we need are healthfully grown and prepared fruits, vegetables, whole grains, etc. The only thing we need to drink - water! You want to lose weight? Eat less/better, and exercise!
I wholeheartedly agree witth your sentiments! We take a vitamin supplement (one and its a liquid) but other than that natural foods do it for me. It always makes me laugh a little when ppl tell me they feel like crap all the time- but they sit around all day long and eat a lot of greasy food.
Grease weighs you down!!!
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#153 · Posted: 12 Feb 2010 23:17
ImportEyedea: We take a vitamin supplement
My brother is a Medical Doctor. And of course he as friends who are also MDs.
They all pretty much say the same thing.
Supplements are unproven.
As is the value of taking massive doses of any vitamin.
(Expensive urine is the only sure result!)
Take a multivitamin - if you are concerned about supplementing your diet.
Eat right and exercise.
That's been their advise.
Interestingly, eating LESS is the only proven 'supplement' so far:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=eating+less+to+live+longer&aq=5&aqi=g10&oq=eati ng+less+
Of course there's no MLM profit in that!
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#154 · Posted: 13 Feb 2010 00:12
Portion control, while not popular here, has long been one of the widely accepted reasons Europeans are notoriously less obese than Americans and also reputed to live longer. Likewise, South American diets that consist of veggies, naturally occurring starches and generally seafood proteins also maintain a lower obesity rate.
My boyfriend suffers the long term damage of Lyme's Disease and as a result we've noticed making some changes in terms of portion control and food group have helped alleviate his symptoms (fatigue, muscle tension and circulation problems) By being consistent with proteins, dark greens and fruit we have been able to improve both our health and our productivity. As I stated before we both also take the vitamin supplement to cover our bases and the combination has been so far working
well!
TJamMoneyMan: Interestingly, eating LESS is the only proven 'supplement' so far: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=eating+less+to+live+longer&aq=5&aqi=g10&oq=eat ing+less+
definitely a search everyone should be checking out when they have a minute!
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#155 · Posted: 13 Feb 2010 01:20
Lyme Disease!?!
Do you guys live in NJ by chance?
I did for 12 years, in the woods too!
Lyme Disease central!
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#156 · Posted: 13 Feb 2010 02:07
hudson valley new york-- Deer & Deer Tick Central
what part of Jersey? I have some family down there
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#157 · Posted: 13 Feb 2010 02:23 · Edited by: 21decadeniche
For those that would like to know how Melaleuca CEO-Frank turned Melaleuca MLM into a totally different business model today, you can learn more from the following ;
http://www.inc.com/magazine/20041015/hidi-vandersloot.html
If you were really understand Melaleuca, you won't say it is a MLM company. MLM or direct selling is involve selling. You buy products plus keep some stock and then you sell to customer. Direct selling involved 1) Stock re-order, 2) selling, 3) Keep stock, 4) Delivery and 5) Slash prices.
Melaleuca word of mouth referrals is without all the above 5 major problems, you simply refer customer to shop direct at Melaleuca, you receive commissions. You are just an Advertiser.
Lastly,but not the least, I have brought many of my friends, especially those very skeptic one(those that you said a word about purchasing a product, straight away claimed it is a direct sales or MLM) to attend Melaleuca free training. At the end of each training, I asked them whether our business is a MLM or something like A company, their without thinking said to me ,"No, it is different"!.
Hence, don't be afraid of joining Melaleuca if you were still in hesitation mode. I have gone through many practical experienced and not simply a few typing words can say it all.
Sorry if this disturbed some of you.
For those who might join now or later, I wish you success and very best of health.
Have a wonderful day.
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#158 · Posted: 13 Feb 2010 02:24 · Edited by: 21decadeniche
I am soli about the wrong link.
Fixed.
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#159 · Posted: 13 Feb 2010 13:06 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
ImportEyedea: hudson valley new york-- Deer & Deer Tick Central what part of Jersey? I have some family down there
Not sure what hudson valley is, but I sure know about the Hudson, having been born in Yonkers, raised there and in NYC, where I spent my early adult life.
Lived in the Pine Barrens of NJ.
Ft. Dix/McGuire AFB areas of Burlington Cty.
We should probably PM this info. but since the only thing being posted here about Melaleuca is the usual denials - "We tell not sell", "we are ANYTHING but an MLM", etc. I figure we're not distracting very much.
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#160 · Posted: 13 Feb 2010 15:39
haha I was wondering if people were going to think we hijacked the thread!
I will pm you though out of respect to those that might have real questions for the Mel advocates. Sorry to derail the original topic =)
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