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#41 · Posted: 16 Nov 2010 13:54
Elysium: If someone (anyone) associated with the biz doesn't want to take some time to answer questions in a thread... developed for exactly that purpose... well, it just kinda looks bad.
There you go!
FreeCashMan: Contrary to some peoples thinking, if forums like these were the place for people to make a fully informed decision on a business they may want to get involved in, then no opportunity in existence would have a need to have their own website and source for people to get proper accurate information.
Oh PLEASE!
We come to a forum to get information so as to make a fully informed decision!
Advertisement/propaganda/'spin' exists to conceal information, confuse the market and generate SALES (get people's money!).
STOP AVOIDING and simply answer one simple question!
What are the three income streams of Trifecta?
Anyone promoting a LEGIT and HONEST system, would be happy to answer any reasonable questions about it!
Here in your latest post ANOTHER THOUSAND WORDS!!
Yet NO ANSWER to this simple question:
What are the three income streams of Trifecta?
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#42 · Posted: 16 Nov 2010 14:02
Thanks for taking the time for a response TJam~
Maybe a "new" idea isn't always better. Sometimes a biz may follow a certain plan simply because it works. I would think success is more important than being new and different. If research shows that a certain type of system works, why not try it.
To compare it to something like Lawnchair seems a bit unfair... FreeCashMan has been here quite a while, I'm pretty sure he's not out to take people's money. Questions are being answered, but I think they don't want to spend time answering any questions they feel may only be for the sake of putting the biz in a negative light, rather than having a genuine interest.
However, it just seems it would benefit the biz to answer any 'basic' questions, since others looking through here (like me) may have the same ones. So I can understand your point about no one answering one question.
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#43 · Posted: 16 Nov 2010 14:05
Thanks for taking the time for such a detailed response FreeCashMan~
I wouldn't know the first thing about how to "run" a biz, so I hope you didn't get that impression from my post when you said "comment with caution..." I was only saying (as an average joe looking at opportunities) what can turn me away from an ad or capture page, because chances are, some other people are feeling the same way.
Sounds like you've brought in a good amount of people already, and that's awesome... I'm merely suggesting that a more to-the-point, easy to read, intro page could maybe bring in even more people. Your page says your system works for the average ordinary person, but I couldn't get past "The dual entry levels of the primary component..." (What did I just read??) And, "WARNING, This home business cashflow system is very lucrative" makes it hard for me to take the ad seriously.
My mention of harvesting emails is not "out of fear" I can assure you ~ it's from past experience. (leaving an email -can- result in your addy ending up on an email list and you getting flooded with offers from people you never heard of). Yes, I do have an 'extra' email addy, but my point is that it simply can be a turn off for many people when you require their email, because they could get the info up front from someone else through google. Any successful, ongoing business -will- have available info out there without needing to give out personal info.
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#44 · Posted: 16 Nov 2010 15:58
Forgot to mention...
FreeCashMan, the following statement you made ~
... to expect members of TCSS to do otherwise is simply a display of a lack of understanding of the ideology behind TCSS or ignorance about marketing of a business.
...Comes off as really insulting.
I do have my blonde moments, lol, but I wouldn't consider myself ignorant because I want biz info before giving out my personal info.
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#45 · Posted: 16 Nov 2010 16:48 · Edited by: FreeCashMan
Hi Elysium,
At the top of my post I wanted to make sure you didn't take things as a personal attack. The comment responded to your post in particular, but the info was general information that also applies to other issues that I think would be pertinent for those reading the comments on the thread.
I do apologize for any sense of insulting. One thing about virtual conversations is they don't often adequately show the tone reflection of the conversation.
I spent some time before respond to the post in this thread this morning to try and make sure I wasn't responding too emotionally.
On another note. I do understand how certain marketing capture pages may not be of interest to one or not as attractive. I sent you another that I have that goes directly to the 15m video, with less informative content. It may be better suited to your personal taste. I can't post it directly in the thread so I sent you a PM with it.
I have found both capture pages work well, but no one page works for all. I wish it did.
Thanks for you interest and inquiry. Taken a look doesn't hurt, and could help financially 
All the best.
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#46 · Posted: 16 Nov 2010 19:53
FreeCashMan,
Thanks for your post, I understand how virtual conversations can be misconstrued... I'm the queen at typing things wrong.
Anyways, I had a look at your videos yesterday when I took a second look, and felt it wasn't for me. I was just trying to share with you why the ad page, at first glance, sent me off running, lol. (When I last had a biz, I appreciated hearing what was attractive about my ads, and what wasn't).
Again, best wishes with your biz. I hope it continues to move forward for you!
Ely
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#47 · Posted: 17 Nov 2010 05:56 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
Elysium: Maybe a "new" idea isn't always better.
I wouldn't fault a plan for not being new.
But I would fault a plan for not being candid, refusing to answer basic questions.
Elysium: To compare it to something like Lawnchair seems a bit unfair... FreeCashMan has been here quite a while, I'm pretty sure he's not out to take people's money.
I really don't see where being anywhere 'quite a while', has anything to do with a persons intentions, dishonest or otherwise.
The comparison to LAWNCHAIR MILLIONAIRE though, is pretty right on in my book.
I was genuinely interested in LCM until I realized they were hiding things.
Using THE EXACT SAME PROPOSITION too!:
Three programs, in an exclusive, members only "vault", that were supposed to be such great, yet secret (!!!) money makers.
Again, a FEEDER PROGRAM just like TRIFECTA!
And of course, the promoters refused to answer the simple question "what's in the vault?".
There's a basic similarity here with Trifecta and ALL scams - The refusal to answer simple, basic questions.
By this, I don't mean to call Trifecta a scam, but I am pointing out the basic similarity:
Refusal to answer simple questions!
Elysium: putting the biz in a negative light
If simply stating your name (as a business entity) puts things in a negative light, that pretty much says it all!
ONLY a business with a bad press would hide it's very identity.
These are precisely the kinds of questions that need to be asked, in an open forum, to adequately judge a business proposal BEFORE laying your cash on the line.
WHO ARE YOU?
Only the crooked do business in disguise!
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#48 · Posted: 17 Nov 2010 12:44 · Edited by: Elysium
Hi TJam,
When using the term 'quite a while' I'm talking about back when I used to spend more time here. I remember some of the people who were here back then, and I don't remember anyone having problems. Maybe there is something I missed while away? But as i said, there seems to be some heat, and I assume that is why -your- question is not being answered to you directly. It's unfortunate when these things happen.
Again, it would be great if your question gets answered, (as any question should be in a biz forum), to help people understand all the facts of an opportunity.
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#49 · Posted: 17 Nov 2010 20:45 · Edited by: FreeCashMan
Ely, I believe you are a good example of why the, alleged hidden, components of Trifecta Cashflow System in this forum, or any public medium, are of no consequence except to the person that has a genuine interest in the ideology of the system that is presented in the 15 minute mini-overview video.
You took a look at the mini-overview and you felt the opportunity was not for you. So any other information is of no value. It cost you nothing to look and it would have cost you nothing, monetary wise, to access and view the full presentation and other important info, but you felt no need to go further because you didn't think the business model fit your needs.
Trifecta Cashflow System for Success is about our system not about anyone business. I will note, that all individual components/businesses offer products/services, but of course that was noted in the mini-overview video.
We appreciate you taking a look, and all the best. We are about much more that the "cover of the book" but we realize that we are not for everyone, nor are we seeking to have everyone.
However, I do strongly encourage all individuals to pursue a home business opportunity that is structured to pay you at least MONTHLY residual income. Not to be confused with a business that pays residual. Residual can be yearly, quarterly, etc. or seemingly never.
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#50 · Posted: 18 Nov 2010 17:39 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
Elysium: When using the term 'quite a while' I'm talking about back when I used to spend more time here.
Ok, but either way, whatever length of time a person has been here, in this forum, has no relation to their intentions.
Elysium: Maybe there is something I missed while away?
I invite you to use this forum's resources to check the posting histories of the two of us.
Quite frankly, if you do this, you will see who has personal history they'd like to hide!
And you'll see who uses this is a common m.o. - refusing to answer incriminating questions.
Yes, that's a right in our JUDICIAL system, but a RED FLAG to those who investigate online business proposals.
If simply stating your name, or the name of your business, is 'incriminating', sheds a 'negative light', or sends up RED FLAGS, then that is the real issue.
Anyone with a GOOD NAME, is proud to state and stand behind it.
Those with something to hide, will also hide their identity.
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#51 · Posted: 18 Nov 2010 17:45 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
FreeCashMan: the, alleged hidden, components of Trifecta Cashflow System
This is hardly 'alleged'.
FreeCashMan: You are HIDING the names of 'income streams' associated with TCSS.
If you are not, then STOP HIDING the "components".
Come out in the open and say what businesses are part of TCSS.
"alleged"!
LOL!!!
Elysium: But as i said, there seems to be some heat, and I assume that is why -your- question is not being answered to you directly... Again, it would be great if your question gets answered, (as any question should be in a biz forum), to help people understand all the facts of an opportunity.
It's quite simple why FCM won't answer this question - it will make people THINK TWICE (and more) about TCSS.
And anyone who thinks this over will certainly hesitate!
This question won't be answered, here in this thread, until people realize what kind of game is being perpetrated in the name of TCSS and being so disgusted, start pulling covers.
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#52 · Posted: 18 Nov 2010 19:55 · Edited by: FreeCashMan
When people start attempting to discredit persons, places or things void of any truth or substance to their claims, for their sheer enjoyment and lack of ability to spend their time to doing things that are more productive that could be of great benefit to themselves or others then it's a clear sign that a good thing is in the happening. And so it is with Trifecta Cashflow System for Success.
As I've said before, I appreciate every naysayer, because if everyone believed in any one business or network marketing/mlm, there would be no opportunity.
This certain someone here will post everytime I or anyone post here because that is what he does in order to TRY and undermine me and the business. However for those reviewing this tread you will not see me engaging in back and forth squabble or answer anything that is posted by this certain someone because the history is written that his intentions are to engage in personal demeaning attacks of the individual or the business, and that he while promoting mlm business or money programs finds it necessary to try and put down other mlm opportunities. I believe most comments are counter to the purpose of this forum and its rules.
I encourage any member of TCSS to avoid any response, and back and forth "debating" with this person as well. Not just in this tread but any thread.
There's a story of how a person took in an ill poisonous snake, and once the snake was well, the snake bit the person. The person said to the snake why would you do that I helped you. The snake said because I'm a snake and that's what I do.
I don't personally know this person, never have and have know desire. However, I do know the type of person I'm dealing with.
If someone here needs to know something that is purported to be hidden just check out our free info or contact a member but don't read my, or other members, silence as some sort of acquiescence or admission, I'm just letting well enough alone.
We know from experience that when a person reviews our video presentations that 95-99% of their questions are answered about the business and its income potential and the ideology behind the Trifecta Cashflow System to empower average and ordinary people to earn 4-5 figures in monthly residual income in a way that this industry has not been able to do for 5 decades because of the structure of their compensation plans.
As always take a look and see for yourself. It could turn out to be the most financial rewarding thing that you could have ever done.
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#53 · Posted: 18 Nov 2010 22:02
*sigh*
I honestly was only trying to help out by mentioning why one little ad could be causing people to lose interest in an opportunity before they even see it... and it somehow backfired on me.
I seem to have gotten myself in the middle of something, and I'm not even sure how I managed to pull it off. So I think I'm going to go back to being an outsider, and just view things from the sidelines.
These can be trying times, and I wish you all much success!
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#54 · Posted: 22 Dec 2010 11:55
Free Cash Man, I have read, reviewed and researched your organisation. I appreciate the oppurtunity that is being presented. I would like to be part of your team and would like in at the "Big League". Please respond with an email/personal message, as to how I can get started/ continue, and what I must do from here. thanks
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#55 · Posted: 4 Jan 2011 11:08 · Edited by: FreeCashMan
The time is now for home business success. January of each year many people set out to change their financial future, and 2011 is no different.
Network marketing has been around for 50+ years and many participants have failed to break the $1000 monthly residual income mark. And sadly most that are dedicated and working hard don't know why.
People point to many things marketing strategies, comp plans, products, uplines, etc. And several of those things do play an important role but one will find that if you can establish a very small network team and then leverage that team, along with the other members of your team having a true and fair chance to do the same, that you can create success in network marketing in way that most have not been unable to do.
Those of you setting out in 2011 to change your financial future in the most powerful home income method available to the average person - network marketing/mlm realize that the old way of going about succeeding in a home networking business may not be the best method.
The problem isn't in network marketing because in 5 decades we know definitively that it works. We just need to learn from the past so that much more average and ordinary people generally can have a prosperous future in mlm.
I concede success for more people generally, in this industry, in the next 50 years will be with a diversified system approach than trying to go at it with "one great company".
So seize the beginning of 2011 in away that doesn't take you down the same path of years past that hasn't proven the most effective for the average person in general to create a good monthly income working from home.
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#56 · Posted: 4 Jan 2011 11:25
Well if you think about it Free cash man it stands to reason it would do like the mega companies are doing as well. but look at the banks buying up other banks. Look at pepsi they have companies they own they didn't start, just to become stronger and more profitable. Why wouldn't MLM and network marketing do the same thing. Am I wrong in my logic? All the major companies are diversified nowadays. Just like it doesn't pay to depend on a job anymore. If it wasn't true then why are people working 2 and 3 jobs.  One stream of income is not enough. It hasn't been for a long time. I can't remember when the wife starting working outside the home 70's maybe? I think the MLM's are just seeing the writing on the wall.
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#57 · Posted: 12 Jan 2011 08:17
I came into this thread with an open-mind, and I still do consider myself neutral. However, FreeCashMan has made himself highly suspect.
A venture of this type can only have credibility with transparency. A huge contradiction is the statement that outlining aspects of the venture is a waste of time, while writing a great deal to deflect from doing so.
Today's consumer market desires detailed information. We research products, services and companies before making a decision. And no one applies for a position with a company when they don't know what it is the company does or what their job will entail.
Thus far, the only information provided is that for every "minor league" referral, TCS makes $25 and the referrer makes $5. Refusing to provide further information makes it a fishy proposition.
I have no biases here. I simply like to cut through fluff and get to the point. There has been nothing but fluff. I have not seen any debates between FreeCashMan and TJamMoneyMan prior to this moment... But, I've got to say, TJ is the one making a valid point as it stands.
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#58 · Posted: 13 Jan 2011 07:59
Here we go again, with someone claiming to want to get detailed information but refusing to review FREE information from the source to do so.
Again, if your hypothesis were to be applied to biz opportunities, or what have you, then it would suggest that every company, entity, or the like should go to every forum, or other medium, on the internet and be sure to fully talk about all the details of their business.
However they don't because they have their own websites, blogs, etc. to do so. If it was costing a person to get this information then what you are saying might be logical and make sense, but no one is being charged or pays anything to get such information that some people falsely claim to not be openly available, thus there is simply no merit to your comments, or the other guy, and you appear to be a person that has come here just to talk in a negative light about something that has no substance or validity. A false attempting to be real design to cause confusion and disorder - helter skelter so to speak.
The substance that is of merit is that the Trifecta Cashflow System is about the wise choice of engaging in a plan of creating diversified monthly residual income so that one is never subject to "ebb and flow" of one company's actions, and focusing on doing this from inception in a certain manner.
That our objective is to have a plan that average and ordinary people can apply and create at least $1,000 in monthly residual income in a short period of time, with a small network team, in contrast to the sub par comp plans and network marketing opportunities of the past 50 years that have not delivered such to people because they simple are not structured to do so.
The fact that we just added a new component, gives even more reason why focusing on marketing and talking about individual companies is not relative to the concept and ideology of Trifecta Cashflow System that makes us what we are or why people should ultimately be attracted to working with us.
Thus again, the only ones that are posting this attempt to try and put down Trifecta Cashflow System and "FreeCashMan" are those that have absolutely no interest in join us. People that have likely never been able to build and grow a network and make substantive money online and help others do the same.
I find the whole thing comical, and a clear reason why one can't depend on forums or the like to obtain and make a completely informed decision when it comes to home business opportunities. And all the more reason why a person should contact an associate of Trifecta Cashflow System, or any other business venture, to get all the precise and up to date info they need to make a wise decision.
All the best and much income success
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#59 · Posted: 15 Jan 2011 14:24
Ha, ha!
Well, you see, my "hypothesis" does apply. Because you're here, right now.
Are you familiar with the term elevator pitch? An elevator pitch is an overview of your business' what, how and when; a concise and detailed pitch of your business, selling the idea to a prospect in about thirty seconds. If Jeffery Immelt, the CEO of General Electric, can do it, so can you. Trust me, GE is far more elaborate and multi-faceted than what you have.
You've written several, lengthy posts beating around the bush. Deliberately providing no real information; only vague promises without any of the machinery. I just want your elevator pitch, that's all. It shouldn't take an hour to give an overview of your business, and your fifteen minute video said nothing. I don't have high hopes for the forty minute video.
The reason? Thinking that I wandered in here with an agenda to sabotage your success and everyone else's potential success is absolutely insane. There are thousands, upon thousands of scams circling the Internet. And, guess what, a lot of them have videos too. In fact, they go about luring in prospects in the exact same way you have done in this thread.
I haven't outright labeled Trifecta as a scam. I am simply asking how one makes money with Trifecta. Stop attempting to make people look evil for having a legitimate question. No more dancing around the subject. And, although funny, no more dummy accounts like Krish Khalifa (ha, ha; c'mon). Sell me on your idea without all of the nonsense.
People come to forums just like this one with a deep desire to find a substantive income with a great deal of growth potential. I am only posting in this thread to their benefit.
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#60 · Posted: 16 Jan 2011 01:29 · Edited by: FreeCashMan
You must be masquerading as the other guy on this thread that attempts to make post of no substance. You have a New id, no other post, yet you speak the same language. And actually assert that someone here posted a dummy account, like he did, when that post was removed before you arrived (if that's not a tell tell sign).
The admin has wisely stopped him from posting here when he makes post that are personal attacks, outright lies, and statements that no remote value can be found as it relates to the nature of the discussion. Then all of sudden a Helter Skelter appears engaging in helter skelter commenting of the same kind as him. "One can fool some of the people some of the time but one can't fool all of the people all of the time."
Amazing what people will do when they can hide behind a computer and can't find substantive things to do in their life that our positive.
Let me clear up some facts for the sincere ones reading, so as to avoid confusion. I never need to post here under a dummy account, and never have, in order to prop up this thread. I know how and do post substantive comments and content all throughout this forum, and my post count documents that. I nor any member needs this thread to be a top listed thread to attract interested prospects in to TCSS from this forum. Anyone who believes that is clearly void of the many effective ways to succeed in forum marketing to attract sincerely interested associates.
I'm not on an elevator, I don't pitch a home income opportunity to people, I don't sell one either in 30 seconds or 30 minutes, or 30 days, etc., as I'm not here to convince someone to join, wisdom does that. I share and people make their own decisions. I'm not interested in you joining and nor are you interested. That is clear just by your comments about what videos we have, or you think we have. So what could possibly be your reason for posting. To blab about how I or someone else didn't share what you think we should share that you who is not interested believe is important. I'm LOL!
As duly noted, your interest is in ATTEMPTING to create negative energy about TCSS. This is made even more evident by your second purported to be well crafted post in which you have yet to post anything of substance but attempted to subtly try and put TCSS down with the notion that you have an intelligent question(s). You seek to dictate to me and others what we must do to satisfy you, who has no interest. Sorry, I don't have a boss. I work from home full-time doing for self, and showing others how to achieve the same.
It has already been posted repeatedly what TCSS is about, and for those that have an interest they don't have a problem reviewing the details from the source. The source provides the up to date info on what we are doing, how we are doing it, and what we are currently involved in, if their are any changes, and more.
And in closing, lets be clear you, or anyone, labeling TCSS as a scam would mean what? NOTHING! It would be the same words echoed by many about other biz opportunities, related systems, and concepts, that are succeeding contrary to such a label that is void of truth.
And what is even more hilarious is that anyone that remotely knows about TCSS and what we are about couldn't possibly in truth utter such words.
But thanks for the helter skelter post. It keeps putting TCSS in the top 100 active post, for whatever press that may result in to attract others to our great and wonderful opportunity openly.
Since I know that people are not as stupid or ignorant as some like to make people out to be, thus anyone reading this thread here thanks to you posting such comments I'm sure they can clearly pick up the fact from fiction, truth from lies, and wisdom from stupidity...
And the one who is engaged in a Pitch that offers nothing why trying to get something.
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