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ozzicash
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#81 · Posted: 27 Sep 2008 23:34
Hi Guys,
after putting in a lot of hard yards with Spiderweb over the past 2 months, I can honestly say that MOST of it is now useless. It succeeded so well for Kimball so quickly that it is now very difficult to promote the system effectively. There is way too much Spiderweb advertising out there now....it is practically a saturated idea. The real problem is that the system asks you to DUPLICATE the entire process. This creates clones everywhere and makes the system dull and uninteresting to the prospective signups. "Seen this one before" or
"seen this advert 10 times today" is normal.
Having said that, the GDI & Direct matches content has a lot of merit. I also promote GDI and it is without doubt one of the best work from home programs out there....very smart and pays well.
It may surprise some people to learn that several of the leaderboard regulars are making over $50,000 per month in residual income! BUT....you have to be a lot smarter and leave the remainder of SWMS behind to get into the big league. Cheers from Australia!
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#82 · Posted: 29 Sep 2008 17:37
I agree with you to an extent.
This is something EVERYONE needs to pay attention too. And that is the idea of "pluging in" to a "duplicated" system. These systems are great like you said, especially if you can get in when the time is right. For the rest by the simple nature of the beast the "duplicated-ness" of it makes it obsolute for the reason you listed...everyone is doing it and the market is saturated with the idea.
The trick is ok, now you know this...how can you use it?
SWM as a marketing system is sounds, it provides great information, it helps you get started in several places at once and is a great step by step learning guide for any NEWBIE.
A newbie without a teacher, mentor or teamate will soon fizzle for the reasons you've listed. What you can now do though is rather than use SWM to market, use it to CAPTURE. I've found this to be very effective. like I said SWM has all the bells and whistles, but you still need a solid foundation in Internet Marketing to carve out your piece of the pie.
IF YOU RELY ON ANY ONE IDEA for to long you will cease to grow.
You have to stay moving in internet marketing.
There are some idea's that last longer than others, and still some that are just foundations in marketing. Honesty, lead building, follow up, follow up, follow up; it's these and rules like these that make EVERY GREAT SYSTEM system and can be found at the CORE of every great MLM.
So there's the secret to working with SWM, use it as you see fit
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ozzicash
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#83 · Posted: 29 Sep 2008 20:40
Hi again,
yes, very true and that is what I was getting at....if you 'stand still', the world will pass you by. Be different, but promote the things that work. GDI works, no question! Be a clone and you will not get anywhere....this is the main failing of Spiderweb. Hey, how do you get your links to work on your signature section? I have followed all the directions and it still doesn't work! Cheers, Ozzi
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#84 · Posted: 30 Sep 2008 01:26
ozzicash: I have followed all the directions and it still doesn't work! Cheers, Ozzi
It's working now! Check the code.
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TJamMoneyMan
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#85 · Posted: 30 Sep 2008 12:21
Mikeyp: If you have any questions or would like to post your results here please do.
TJamMoneyMan: Mikeyp: What i thought was very good about the system was the fact you get your own Capture page on your Own Domain so it is not an afilliate link it is your own personal Domain. I'd like to find clarification on this as well, all I know about are the referral links. Where is and how do I find this personal domain that I 'own'? Mikeyp: An automated Blog with new automated posts every day will be added soon. As far as the automated blog, I too registered with that but I am told that was discontinued, along with Google adsense or something. I never understood either anyway, so I don't know much about them. Any clarification from you could only be helpful! They also teach you how to generate leads / sign ups, and show you several techniques to use. This too I'd like to find out about. I have gotten nowhere by asking my sponsor, HIS sponsor, or the forum. Please tell ME where I can learn about these things on the SWMS website!
Well Mikeyp, those are my questions!
Any answers?
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djdeke
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#86 · Posted: 19 Oct 2008 21:56
Just discovered Spider Web the other day. Saw the "get Started" videos. I get the concept of driving people to the site and introduce 22 income streams...got that part.
I'm signed up to a couple of them, before I signed up to Spider. So the question is, what's the difference between, signing up those individual sites/programs using their affiliate links and promoting the spider web site with my spider link?
For example: Signing up to Adsense Affiliate program, you get an affiliate link and promote the link where ever for sign ups.
My first impression with Spider is that I would promote the spider website and my spider affiliate link would be automatically linked to each program, so if a new member signs up to Spider and joins a program (i.e income stream), I would receive a referral/commission using my link. Is that how it works?
If this is not the case, and I have to sign up to each program separately, I don't see the difference between using a direct affiliate link from one of the 22 rev. streams and using spider web.
Can you clear that up for me?
Thanks,
DJ
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CommonTone
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#87 · Posted: 22 Oct 2008 03:56
Hi everybody,
I'm really glad I found this forum. I'm sure that it has saved me a lot of money as a brand new internet marketer looking into the many opportunities I could put some dollars into. It's my first post here.
I have a similar question to djdeke.
First, I'll mention one thing in response to it: In the intro to SWS Kimball Roundy mentions a unique technology in the SWS that allows people to earn "infinite levels wide and infinite levels deep" on referrals to the different affiliated sites. I think you might miss out on that aspect (though I'm not sure just how it works) if people sign up in one of the affiliate sites such as GDI, but that sign-up doesn't go through the SWS referring link.
So here's my question...
I got into the SWS about a week ago and over the next few days I completed the set-up process. Then I poured a fair amount of $$ into the first AdWord and Yahoo search campaigns I've every tried. (Very grateful for the informative videos on SWS about using these ad services.) It was exciting to see the traffic start to come in.
I notice that of the 15 or so leads who have come into the system so far, the majority never went beyond the initial intro page (i.e. don't get past "Stage 3" or give a valid phone number).
Anyway, what I'm getting to is...I wonder if I'd get better results more quickly if I placed ads for the GDI system itself, rather than SWS--since it seems to be widely acknowledged GDI is the primary referral income source with SWS, at least early on.
Maybe because of my temperament I'm drawn more to down-to-earth, "conversational" presentations than to presentations that sound hyped up. The welcome page at GDI, including the video, just resonates with me a lot better than the very big and bold SWS capture page and the in-your-face video telling people to "WAKE UP!! SNAP OUT OF IT!!" etc. (no disrespect to the creators of the video--I still think it's very well done, just a matter of personal preference)
I was first drawn to the SWS partly because of the possibility of leads for an MLM I'm trying to build (fairly new to that industry as well), but now I'm much more enthused about the potential revenue streams I've discovered through the system. I'd like to attract mainly other people who see the same potential in the revenue streams--not so much people who want leads for their MLM (seems to be tons of competition in that market right now anyway).
Rather than placing ads that promise thousands of leads in a few weeks and take people to a capture page where that's the main "hook", I wonder whether it could be more effective (and cost-effective) to direct people straight to the GDI page instead. (My point is that many visitors to my SWS page seem to pack up their bags and move on because the capture page doesn't make them want to look further, and thus they never get to learning about GDI, much less Yuwie, Zenzuu, Self Bank, etc.)
Taking this further, if they like what they see at GDI--as I expect many would--then they would register there, I would build a relationship with them based on that, and then encourage them to consider signing up at SWS and explain the potential benefits.
Does anyone here have an opinion on this alternative approach?...Great to be part of the group!
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opendomain
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#88 · Posted: 22 Oct 2008 14:41
Hi Myriad,
EXCELLENT, excellent questions, many of which I've asked myself and if you look at my sig you'll see I'm still a little up in the air.
I personally despise your typical "capture pages" I think they are hype and designed to play on emotions and nothing more. 1k a day, or millions of leads an hour type text typically turn me off and I have never really liked them.
So that's my personal view on them.
Now my business me.
They work. Sadly they do. For some strange reason that I cannot explain people buy into "the dream" and will try anything in order to get to their "dream". Capture pages are aptly named because they capture your attention (and email) by using LARGE CLAIMS (and php script)
I've contemplated long and hard about what can be done, and I suspect that the person who develops the capture page that is effective and not full of hype and instead honesty will shortly thereafter become a millionaire.
When you look at the SWS page you see what I see, but what do SOME other people see? They see that little bit of hope. They get the feeling of "hey maybe I found it, maybe this is the one" and in some respects they may be correct. I'm a firm believer in GDI and to some extent SWM and
So this places you at an interesting spot. Do you get the people with what works or do I try the more personal approach. My homepage should tell you what I've decided and though it is successful...I know that if I put up a "capture page" it would be even better.
I promote GDI first and foremost and then I show people SWM for about 80% of my leads.
The other 20% come from forums and links and emails containing my SWM info.
What you decide to do is simply a matter of personal preference and if you want my advice:
If you want to make leads quickly go SWM
If you're ok with growing more quality longer lasting leads then go personal...with a hint of SWM.
I've spouted this point over and over and over in this forum. With GDI if you can, for a year, get 1 sign up a month and show that person to do the same and so forth through your 5 th level you'll be more than fine. 1 person a month. You mathematically will be making about 4k a month in a year. Chances are not everyone will hold on or be able to reach that 1 person a month. BUT, if you could do half of that in double the time. 2k a month in 2 years? Would you? Would you invest $10x24 months=$ 240 over 2 years to do that? Most people would and when explained honestly and simply like I've just done most people will give it a shot... try that.
Hope I helped.
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CommonTone
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#89 · Posted: 22 Oct 2008 19:43
Hi OpenDoman,
To let you know, I really got a lot from your post. I appreciate you answering my question so clearly.
The concept of sponsoring 1 person a month every month for a year is very strong, and it seems doable, especially since each person's investment is only $10/mo.
Using that model...in the network marketing company I'm in, if each person got one sign up per month, so that at some point when it's all complete, that member had 12 on level 1, 144 on level 2, and 1728 on level 3, their monthly income from just 3 levels would be:
Level 1 - 12 members / 1200 BV x 5% comm. = $60
Level 2 - 144 members / 14,400 BV x 40% comm. = $5,760
Level 3 - 1,728 members / 172,800 x 10% comm. = $17,280
= total $23,100/month from just 3 levels
Or if only half of that took place, it's still over $10,000/mo.
Taken to the 4th level which pays 10% commission, the figures get pretty ridiculous (10% of 20,736 members' volume on 100 BV each...over $2 million/month on that level alone--ok that's too crazy to even contemplate, so I wouldn't take the example that far!! But taking it through 3 levels at least sounds "earthly"  .
The difference is that the monthly investment is quite a bit higher in that company than in GDI--it is the purchase of one's own product for personal use, which costs $155 US each month. Still, this is a powerful concept you illustrated and I should look at it as a way of showing the income potential of that MLM with people (at least taken down through 3 levels), as well as GDI!
... Anyway, I'm definitely leaning towards promoting GDI, and as I learn my way in the IM world, I can learn the skills to set up the kind of friendly and personal and hype-free capture page that you've set up for your leads!
Till next time.... Thanks again,
Ed
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#90 · Posted: 22 Oct 2008 19:46
btw, When I said leaning toward promoting GDI, I meant advertising and directing leads towards that opportunity FIRST, and then introducing them to SWS.
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#91 · Posted: 23 Oct 2008 14:00
myriadofopps: ... Anyway, I'm definitely leaning towards promoting GDI, and as I learn my way in the IM world, I can learn the skills to set up the kind of friendly and personal and hype-free capture page that you've set up for your leads!
Exactly. There are very few opportunities out there that allow you to do this so cheaply while requiring you to invest money (which imho keeps you focused) you'd be amazed in the difference in effort someone will put forth with even a simple $10 investment vs. a free program.
GDI is a great starting block for several reason...some I've already given.
Many "groups" use GDI as a funneling tool into more expensive programs. It might be that you find success with promoting GDI, and once you've shown people you can make them money then showing them a more lucrative opportunity.
Numbers are very easy to use to show people what can be. I've seen the "and if only half of this happens you're still making xxx" used many times. The reason I like it with GDI is that really the goal for the month should be 1 person. IF everyone in GDI had that goal we could all go home.
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navillusenna
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#92 · Posted: 27 Oct 2008 20:03
Hmmm ... I am trying to complete my setup in SWM and I am having trouble with the Commission Junction part. For some reason the characters you have to type in the box are not appearing. I am in Canada so I do not have the 2 tax type numbers ... any one ahve any ideas?
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navillusenna
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#93 · Posted: 28 Oct 2008 19:50
OK, so no response to my last message ... anyone out there?
Now I have another question ... what am I supposed to do with all the DirectMATCHES emails and contact requests?
Anne:
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TJamMoneyMan
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#94 · Posted: 28 Oct 2008 21:51
give it time Anne, it's only been a day
first off, the best person(s) to contact are your upline members.
And you'll need to specify things for them.
What browser you are using is one factor.
I don't know what kind of emails and CR's you are getting but it sounds like regular connection communications that people will definitely send you when you join these social networks.
Sounds like all you need to do is reply with a 'hi' etc. and accept them as part of your contact list.
GDI is the only real moneymaking stream to pursue for now, unless you are ready to start SPENDING!
good luck,
tjmm
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opendomain
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#95 · Posted: 30 Oct 2008 12:21
Hi Anne,
You'll have to forgive the delayed response.
TJ gave you a dead on accurate response though.
For the commission junction box it might be a browser issue, if not try contacting someone at Commission junction. Most of the time they'll also place a little speaker next to the box for the visually impared, try that.
As for Direct Matches,
I've never personally had much luck with promoting on there...though i didn't try to hard. I found most of the people on Direct Matches were already in a business and were there to try to sell ME something.
There's two ways you can take that.
1. The market is flooded
2. EVERYONE there is a good potential lead because they are business minded.
I ran with 1 just because I didn't have the time to invest in another social site...this one is good enough for me right now
I definately saw the potential in working the market there though. If you responde to the 100's of emails you get with somethign along the lines of.
Hi,
thank you for adding me as a friend and taking the time to email me. I've taken a look at your site and it's pretty cool, but right now I'm focused on [YOUR LINK] which you might find interesting, check it out and let me know what you think.
The thing that I love most about it is that it's only $10, not $399 like some other programs.
Talk to you soon,
Anne
I'd be willing to bet you'd get at least some clicks with that. Cultivate those relationships a bit too and you might be surprised, I'd probably be doing the same right now if not for other projects.
IF this is oyur first stint at internet marketing be prepared to learn Anne, that's the single most important thing you can do is learn, learn, learn, be patient as well, Rome wasn't built in a day and if you're looking for instant riches then you might want to take the $10 a month and invest in lotery tickets
best of luck and if you have further questions don't hesitate to ask.
~Gil
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navillusenna
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#96 · Posted: 30 Oct 2008 17:58
Thanks fellas!
I'll definitely look into the browser thing, and the response thing to all these emails (116 and counting lol).
This is me learning!
Anne
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CommonTone
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#97 · Posted: 30 Oct 2008 22:42
opendomain: Hi, thank you for adding me as a friend and taking the time to email me. I've taken a look at your site and it's pretty cool, but right now I'm focused on [YOUR LINK] which you might find interesting, check it out and let me know what you think. The thing that I love most about it is that it's only $10, not $399 like some other programs. Talk to you soon, Anne
Gil,
That's a great suggestion! I was looking for something constructive to do with the flood of messages and business opportunity invitations from members on DirectMatches. Now I have it, thanks to you.
Good luck with your SpiderWeb system, Anne!
Also, to anyone who's figuring out what to do at DirectMatches, I would probably advise against doing something I did prematurely: I actually upgraded to a $10 "customer" membership just to increase the size of my DM message inbox to give myself more time to figure out what to do in response to the huge number of people who had left me messages, before the system deleted the messages in order to make room for new ones. (The free membership has a very small inbox size.) But there's no need to spend that money. If your inbox overflows and messages get deleted before you can respond, you still also get notified at your email address anytime someone has sent you a message at DM, and that email will tell you the name of the DM member who left you the message. If you look for that message in your DM inbox and find it has been deleted, you can still type a new message to that member�and if it's helpful, explain that the original message they sent you got deleted before you could respond to it.
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#98 · Posted: 31 Oct 2008 13:19
personally to tell you the truth. I never really understood it besides viewing like 22 videos. sorry.
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#99 · Posted: 4 Nov 2008 18:31
ok....I just ran across this spiderweb today. I have signed up for the system, but not yet signed up for any of the programs. I just wanted to get in and see what it was about. So now I've seen some of the videos explaining how it all works, and it sounds great, but I came here to see if there was a thread on it, and here I am. You guys, well, some of you have had SOME luck, but it doesn't sound like there's alot going on with it. I've never done any MLM or anything. The only system for making money that I've actually tried is project payday. It has worked for me, but it's not producing much income yet.
My questions are, what are the chances of someone who has never done any marketing, and never done any MLM's to make money with this spiderweb system? Do you think it would be a good kickstart into internet marketing? Is there any cost other than the $10/month for the GDI?
Thanks for any help you guys mi9ght have....
and by the way, thanks for this entire forum. So far this has saved me tonms of money, since I've been looking for ways to make money online, I can read up on every opportunity I've seen here. This place is letting me know which programs to avoid. Thanks!
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#100 · Posted: 5 Nov 2008 10:25
Here's what I would say.
Stay clear of adwords till sometime later. It CAN work, but realistically you're not going to make what you put in until WAY down the road.
That being said SWM, I'm coming more and more to believe, is a good program for showing you many of the things you CAN do and should do.
Building lists
Following up
Finding a method of promotion.
If you're looking to us SWM then I would market through a more traditional method ... Article, Forum, Blogs, free classifieds.
Beyond that as a system, unless you're going for the black widow program I would say NOT to jump into paying for anything beyond the GDI portion of it until you've tried it out for yourself.
Good backoffice and METHOD behind what they do, but as for
puckjr: My questions are, what are the chances of someone who has never done any marketing, and never done any MLM's to make money with this spiderweb system? Do you think it would be a good kickstart into internet marketing?
Well I would say this. As an educational tool SWM is great. As a marketing tool it's actually something I would recommend only after you've educated yourself...which truthfully you can get most of that from this forum in a month or so.
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