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TopMentor
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#21 · Posted: 17 Jul 2007 05:48 · Edited by: TopMentor
Jseses,
That is correct... I make sales all the time without spending a dime.
This is what I teach my new members to do with any program I market is how to generate sales without spending advertising dollars.
Once the sales start coming in, then we can reinvest and turn it up a notch to increase the sales ratio.
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Brian McCoy
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jseses
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#22 · Posted: 17 Jul 2007 07:26
Brian the difference is that the mentor must know what works with what products.
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#23 · Posted: 18 Jul 2007 02:39
Yes Bal, you have a valid point... it's called target marketing.
Brian McCoy
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Bucky
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#24 · Posted: 19 Jul 2007 17:52
Hey guys - there is a good discussion going on here.
I am actually a former EDC Gold rep who did pretty well with the company. I'm not going to hoot and holler about the money I made because that's just not how I do business.
I will say that I dropped out of EDC Gold because I did not feel that the products they sell offered any real value. I am a web developer and have studied internet marketing for years, and just could not promote the product after I went in and looked at all the product offerings.
Now, I have not read any of the R2R products, but I am very weary of a self help product that will not allow you any refunds. (Just my opinion - I have not seen the products).
I also wonder if anyone will buy the product without the business opportunity.
That said, most people should know that they are joining this program to make money, period. Most people will never use the product and only want to make money with the program. I'm not passing judgement one way or the other, just stating my opinion.
If that is all you want to do, R2R will probably be a good vehicle to do this with for the next few months. But you will need to get in fast. Just as with EDC the earlier people got in, the easier it was to make money.
However, remember that the internet marketing industry is filled with a lot of hype and lies, so be very careful about who you sign up with.
I guarantee some people will make a lot of good money with R2R. I'm also confident that if you find a good mentor you will learn some good ways to market on the internet.
If you feel like its the right opportunity for you, there are some great mentors here that would be able to help many of you out. The mentor here will be key!
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#25 · Posted: 22 Jul 2007 16:42 · Edited by: TopMentor
Bucky,
You make some great points. However I have some colleagues in Passport to Wealth that didn't get in at the beginning and that are making a very nice 5 figure monthly income.
The key is marketing and driving traffice by always finding new places to market where there is less competition. If you continually do this, you will do well.
Warmly,
Brian McCoy
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#26 · Posted: 22 Jul 2007 17:45
Brian, I'm curious why you wouldn't mention on your lead capture page (see Brian's signature link in his last post) that Chris Campell made his $7000 in one day with a program OTHER than with Roadmap To Riches -- one you didn't or can't or won't mention??
At first I thought Chris made that kind of money in one day - April 3, 2007 - with Roadmap To Riches but then I remembered Roadmap To Riches didn't launch until June 21, 2007, about two months later than the day on which Chris made that video.
Strange you or your team member (Chris) didn't say which company Chris made his thousands with.
Another thing that tipped me off was the $997 payout in Chris's video. He shows us his computer screen. Roadmap To Riches pays out $999 not $997.
So which program did Chris make $7000 in one day with? It obviously wasn't with Roadmap To Riches.
Actually, it wasn't obvious. It almost even fooled ME!!
Does your team always use the results from one program as proof for the success of another? Would you kindly clarify this for me? Thank You!
At Your Service,
Rob Nyte
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#27 · Posted: 22 Jul 2007 21:33
Rob,
Always trying to stir up trouble aren't you.
I put that on there to show that I know how to market because Chris is a colleague of mine. The program he earned that from is very similar to Roadmap to Riches and we are getting ready to put up his R2R video that was an $8k day so keep watch on my website over the next month to see the update.
It's sad to see you being negative about every program that I see you making comments on... lighten up Rob.
The world will be a better place if you do.
Warmly,
Brian McCoy
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jseses
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#28 · Posted: 22 Jul 2007 21:48
Chris made that money from EDC Gold. Also, Chris uses just google adwords and ezines. That's all that the members are told to use aswell. I know because I have his members asking me for help.
Guys everyone can be successful, I just wish people would stop misleading people to make a buck.
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#29 · Posted: 22 Jul 2007 21:51
Jseses,
You are not correct on Chris recommending only adwords and ezines. He has a whole list of things we utilize.
Brian McCoy
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#30 · Posted: 22 Jul 2007 21:55
Brian is 100% correct. It's all about how you market and sell your product. Chris and others are the top at wha they do. They don't promise you are going to make the same money you do they only promise to teach you the ways they have done it.
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#31 · Posted: 22 Jul 2007 22:45
Brian,
You just mistook my critical thinking for a negative attitude, that's all. And no big deal.
I don't mean to pick on you.
But since you're a leader in the field of marketing -- and a good one at that -- you should expect others to question you more than the norm, especially if something you do or say or write raises a doubt in their minds about your integrity.
Don't misunderstand. You are innocent of any wrong doing. Nobody's judging you for the marketing tactics you use. It's a tough business we're in and we all must imploy seduction and persuasion in our marketing or we will fail.
If only you had mentioned somewhere on the webpage showing Chris Campbell raking in loads of money that he had made that money with EDC Gold and not with Roadmap To Riches -- so that it would be clear -- then your point that you and your team has the ability to make money in these types of programs would have been better taken.
It's quite simple. Much simpler than trying to make the world a better place -- and for who? For you? If I didn't comment, then would that make your world a better place, Brian?
I'm looking forward to watching the video of Chris Campbell raking in 8k in one day with Roadmap To Riches. I'm sure I shall be quite entertained by the all the hype and the drama.
At Your Service,
Rob Nyte
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#32 · Posted: 23 Jul 2007 11:53
You basically have to sell the product to other people to get the money back? $999 is a lot of money.. there are a lot cheaper options for learning how to make money online properly, not just by selling 1 program and getting some guy at the top rich.
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#33 · Posted: 23 Jul 2007 13:00
James,
Hello. Rob Nyte here of the Guild of Abundance.
Roadmap To Riches offers a whack load of self development e-books and CDs for $999, many of which you can get for free or for next to nothing on the internet or at your local liabrary.
But because these products come with a lucrative business opportunity they now have greater use value for an R2R distributor than for anyone else who acquires them through the normal channels.
That's what I respect about Roadmap to Riches. It takes something that already has a high value -- who doesn't appreciate the value of a good book? -- and lends it even higher value by adding to the buyer's ability to lead a better quality of life.
You may make loads of cash by recruiting others into Roadmap to Riches AND help yourself and others develop the right mind-set for success while you're at it!
It's really not a bad opportunity. Some people may be worried about the market saturating with this opportunity. But I really don't think that's a cause for concern. Some of the e-books have been around for decades and the market demand for them is still very high and will remain so for a very long time to come.
Whether you get in now or not shouldn't make a difference. If this opportunity doesn't crumble to dust like many others like it have, then it'll still be here in two years from now. I'm keeping my eyes on it. If it reaches the two-year point and nothing horrible has happened, then I might just sign up.
If you sign up now, then you may or may not make money in a short time. You may make lots of money or no money at all. It depends on many, many factors. Of first importance is that you find yourself a dependable sponsor whom you can rely upon for ongoing training and support.
Brian McCoy -- see TopMentor's posts above -- seems like a solid dependable guy. He's with Roadmap To Riches and he and his team are having some success with it. They're better than average marketers and good marketing is the secret. If Brian's team resists the temptation to use hype and keeps it all professional, I have no doubt their integrity and honesty will take them and whoever joins them far with their business endeavours.
I hope this helps.
At Your Service,
Rob Nyte
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#34 · Posted: 23 Jul 2007 19:24
Brian I will have to disagree with you...I have been in EDC Gold and have known many of his members aswell. I don't have anything against Chris. He is a straight up guy. Both of us made quite alot of money in EDC Gold. The one thing though is that I had alot of Chris's members come to me from these forums asking for help because all they were told was ezines and adwords.
I have had 3 R2R members so far who have said exactly the same thing. Asking for help because the ezines they were told off produced no results, and many of these people have spent a few hundred, which is all they had into adwords and are still trying to pass up their 2ups.
Yes Chris and a few others are producing results for themselves. But we do need to be honest to people about the reality of them being able to replicate the system. Many people cannot afford to replicate even a fraction of the marketing strategy. More emphasis needs to be placed on the free methods. And there are litterally alot of them out there that work. What is absolutely essential in Chris's marketing model is the ability to BRAND yourself.
You can't brand a team in this industry. Why? firstly there is no spill over. Most of the prospects will say, if I am joining the Chris Campbell team then I might aswell join Chris and not someone else in his team. Why? There is always a degree of hype surrounding the leader. Plus, co-branding will ensure attention on the guru not the protege.
I know from experience. I am in the Dubbs team with EDC. In my time with EDC I have probably lost 50 - 100 sales to Dubbs because the members thought Dave would do all the work for them. Total lack of research. When they didn't get that they come back for help. It always happens. This is where these programs fail. So it is up to the mentor to remedy that.
To those that are in these programs. Individualise yourself. Maintain the contact with your team members, however, you should play your own game. Don't just do what everyone else is doing. Create your own niche. Learn different strategies.
What Brian is saying is not wrong. Chris is making money, however, there is a degree of hype involved that is un-settling to most. I don't think anyone will guarantee you any sort of an income. So don't perceive it that way. I don't myself. The only thing everyone will guarantee is to show you how we are doing it.
Also, the frame of mind is extremely important. Like Chris, Dubss, Myself and maybe Brian and others, we do what we do and get results because we place ourselves in a winning frame of mind. Make it happen.
Just throwing money into adwords or paying for other paid advertising isn't the answer. You really have to understand this business.
Lets all be honest, 100% of the people join for the business opportunity and not the software or ebooks. The software and ebooks are there to legalize the business.
The only thing that separates mentors is the different marketing strategies involved. That's all. Then there are other tools such as hype. Use what you will.
All the best!
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#35 · Posted: 24 Jul 2007 08:09
I still think $999 is a lot for one opportunity, there is no guarantee you'll make anything is there? Wealthy Affiliate is a hell of a lot cheaper with the best support around, and so are so many other opportunities.. even The Rich Jerk
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#36 · Posted: 26 Jul 2007 18:01
It really surprises me the way some folks think.
Roadmap to Riches, like some similar programs, is a very legitimate business opportunity. The product is sold to end users, who can also elect to resell the package through the affiliate program (but they aren't required. They can simply enjoy the use of their products if they wish). Also, those interested in joining the affiliate program aren't forced to purchase the product, unlike many programs. There is nothing wrong with that.
I've also seen folks getting upset at having to spend tons of money on advertising. I'd like to address this. If in fact you're viewing the program as you should, like a real business, then you'll understand that it takes money to make money. But even with that being said, there are plenty of free and low-cost methods of advertising that are very effective. A good sponsor will know how to use these to help you get results. A good marketer knows more about actually marketing than just throwing a bunch of money into ads.
Also, I've noticed that many members have followed a certain "top earner" from one program into this one. I'm going to urge you who've done this to take a chance and use the mind you've got, instead of following others blindly. It's so strange to me that this "top earner" has gained enough of your trust to encourage you to follow them into other programs without giving the proper training. It's even funny to me that this person swears they left their former program because of the unethical practices, yet this person operates in a less than ethical fashion themselves. And their team members, because they follow blindly, do not even see this. If you've joined with this person, do what you can to research your own methods of advertising. I promise it doesn't take hundreds of dollars to succeed in this or any other program. And for those who are drawn in by the lure of the term "top earner," I advise you to do some serious research on the top earner you're interested in joining with. While these folks may be comfortable with spending lots of money on advertising, their methods won't help newbies and others who don't have a ton of money to spare. Just because someone is a top earner, doesn't mean they'll make a good mentor. Why? Because those who do try to give their team members individual training are too busy to get to everyone in a timely manner. And those who don't are too busy avoiding any emails accept those that say they've received a payment. Be sure you know exactly what kind of training and support you're going to receive from the sponsor you're interested in joining. While there are many respectable sponsors out there, there are also some not-so-ethical ones. This is true not just of Roadmap to Riches, but every business opportunity out there. Just be sure you're joining because you have confidence in the sponsor's ability and willingness to help, not just because they're a top earner.
Like jseses, I have created a co-op for RTR members who aren't receiving the necessary marketing training from their sponsors. If any are interested, please contact me. And if anyone is interested in learning the facts about Roadmap to Riches, contact me. I have set up a very informative mini-site that addresses the common arguments against the program, and the responses to these arguments.
One thing I keep seeing with home business is that so many are keen to just follow others, copy what they've written and use replicated websites or false stories (that apply to other sponsors or other programs) instead of thinking for themselves. I urge everyone to use their own minds. The more innovative you are with your methods, the better your results will be!
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#37 · Posted: 26 Jul 2007 18:14
I do disagree with jseses on one point he made earlier. 100% of the members do not join solely for the income opportunity. There are those who join for the products. I have met and become friends with many of these. And I also believe that there is more that can separate a mentor from the bunch than just their marketing strategies. Their ethics and the way in which they do business, for example, or their creativity and willingness to think outside the box. These are the folks who are truly inspiring, and these are the ones that we should all be surrounding ourselves with!
To each their own, but I feel that if you don't have the slightest interest in the product, then you shouldn't be promoting the program. How can you truly provide honest reviews and experiences if you've not taken the time to explore the product? How do some folks sleep at night trying to promote a product they know absolutely nothing about! The products aren't just their to legalize the program. They're there for the members to take advantage of. And if anyone took the time to have a look at some, they might find them quite helpful.
We all have to do what we can to make our businesses work. But we should all try to do so with some integrity. The hype and bull may work for a short time, but that success will be short-lived. Those looking for more long-term success, get creative with your business, and investigate ways to do what no one else is doing. This is what brings success and makes you become a household name! Branding is important, it can make all the difference!
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#38 · Posted: 26 Jul 2007 21:18
Hi Ina,
Again I stick to my point in this business 100% of the people that join do so for the business opportunity. The only people that will join for the products will be people who are entirely new to metaphysics. In my experience very few will ever pay $999 to start of in it. I've been involved in the study of metaphysics for a lone while and have possibly spent more then $1000 in it, however this is a long drawn out process. No one will say yes I will pay $999 for a bunch of products that I don't have more info about. Lets be honest here.
I am not bad mouthing the program. I have had a look at the package on offer. Some of the products are really good. Personally If I were to buy into R2R then I would do so mainly for the biz opp, as the products itself I can get online elsewhere individualy and spread out of the time frame of my development.
Having said that, yes I do believe that the products are worthwhile and of value for money.
Now, in regards to the biz opp, Ina is right about being blinded by HYPE.
GUYS I'll let you in on a little secret. If anyone tells you they are a top earner, run in the opposite direction. Why? Firstly, I guarantee this person is spending a bucket load and also creating HYPE. That's how you are lured in. Unless you can jump in and create hype yourself you won't get anywhere. To do that you need to be able to show sales of more then a few thousand a day, you can't do that unless you have the sales.
I am personally not in R2R, after carefully researching it, I decided not to diversify into it. However, I am in a program similar to it. From experience I know that alot of money can be made in these types of programs. How you do it is a decision you will need to make.
I can also tell you that I have had R2R members counting well into double digits who have signed up under some of the branded top earners asking me for help. It is unfortunate that they are left hanging. Not becuase the top earners don't have the time, but because apart from hype, they are not internet marketing experts. They are doing what only they can do. You cannot replicate a system like that. Unless ofcourse you have deep pockets. Even if you do, I can guarantee you will lose money.
The goal is to find a mentor that actually knows what they are doing and isn't just all talk.
In this business common sense has to prevail. If someone tells you they went from driving a truck or delivering pizza's to earning $150,000 a month, then you know that they have a very limited strategy which will require alot of money to run. They are not internet marketing experts.
Think about it....Be honest to yourselves.
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#39 · Posted: 26 Jul 2007 22:01
Hey I have a question.
If the feds check out Roadmap to Riches, won't they look into how many people are just customers as opposed to only distributors?
I ask this because a friend of mine told me that in the United States a company like R2R has to show evidence that it is selling its product to at least 50% of people who just purchase the products for the sake of the products and not because of the busniess opportunity.
Who in their right mind will buy a bunch of self development e-books for $999 from R2R distributors when he can get the same for less or for free elsewhere unless their buying them because of the business opportunity?
Or can you join R2R without paying $999 for the e-books?
Nope. You can't.
Rob
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#40 · Posted: 26 Jul 2007 23:52
Hey mate, Your right, that's my point. In metaphysics you wouldn't buy the products like that in a package for a grand. Although some of them are of great benefit.
The reason why I didn't join R2R was because of the $49.95 plan where you can join the business opportunity and pass up 4 sales to your sponsor. I think the feds might take a closer look at R2R because of that reason.
Just my opinion.
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