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#21 · Posted: 4 Dec 2010 23:25
They did mention in the conference call Saturday that the travel packs would be changing the label. They say "Not for re-sale" now and only lists the main ingredients. The new packs will have the complete list and a retail price marked on them of $1.50.
BUT THEY DID NOT SAY STARTING TODAY!
You just save me a bundle on AdWords.
I owe you.
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#22 · Posted: 6 Dec 2010 17:11
Well, I'm still reeling from the sudden changes without notice.
Thanks to treevee pointing them out before AdWords broke me.
Still no apologies or explanation from management and it's starting to smell like MLM.
In my opinion they are shooting themselves in the foot with the sudden changes.
The new Vendor program is more like a wholesale buying club the way they are approaching it.
Which is fine for someone like me who believes in the product enough to buy it anyway.
BUT, they pulled the rug from under a lot of affiliates without notice of the changes.
They are giving regular affiliates commissions on wholesale accounts now.
But no more free samples.
The problem is their new "NOT MLM" sounds a LOT like MLM.
They are now having tele-conferences, "invite your friends" kind.
"Upgrade them from affiliates to Vendors" pressure (buying club).
This may be great for seasoned network marketers but is totally
contrary to the foundations they built their success on for 12 years.
I for one have run out of friends to invite to MLM conference calls! lol
I spent countless hours removing/editing freebie ads and ain't done yet.
How many advertisers haven't even heard of the changes yet?
I'd like to hear other people's opinion on the direction they are heading.
For me it is better commissions on my wholesale accounts so I should be happy.
Oh yeah, I'm always happy... till innocent people get screwed.
If anyone wants to listen to the calls it's Mon-Thurs 9:30pm Eastern.
You'll hear a lot of pump you up, just like any MLM call. yuk.
Just give me the facts please, in writing.
The truth, the whole truth, and noting but the truth.
???
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#23 · Posted: 6 Dec 2010 19:18
Well, I just got finished watching the webinar and... it ain't half bad.
It was only 1/2 hour with audio on-line, unlike the 2 hour cell phone calls b4.
They seem to be focused on building the wholesale network MLM style.
But they are focused on relieving pain and creating wealth for others.
The market is huge, the pay is GREAT, the downside is minimal.
My only regret is the way they made the transition suddenly.
There is plenty of room for no cost affiliates still, just no more free samples.
As for me, I was already at the vendor level so it's a 10% raise.
Come folks, join the party and make me some money.
JUST KIDDING! They still have some apologizing to do, imho.
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#24 · Posted: 6 Dec 2010 22:34
Just2EZ: The market is huge, the pay is GREAT, the downside is minimal.
I'll be looking out for this product.
ANY product with a "huge" market will attract entrepreneurs looking to make a buck.
Regardless of the product, be it food, supplements, or pain relief.
There will be competition to put it on the market for the lowest possible price.
MLM's just can NOT compete with a single level marketer like Walmart, 'Dollar Stores' and the like.
Even more expensive retail outlets will be able to put a product on the market for lower prices than any MLM.
MLM's typically claim they have superior products than these retailers, in an effort to justify the higher cost (needed to pay the MLM 'associates').
This just ain't the case however.
If this is really a good product, and even if it's not, you'll see it for sale in a real store.
Real soon!
As long as there's a market for it.
'Huge' or otherwise.
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#25 · Posted: 6 Dec 2010 22:40 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
FREEBUSINESSES: FREE has always been the number one word which generates interest, curiosity, whatever, but FREE is a powerful marketing tool to use as an incentive for your other products or services.
Too bad internet marketers have totally destroyed the meaning of "FREE".
"Free" now usually means 'trial period', or up to $20 in S/H.
Still, yes, it's good to be able to at least SAY 'free'
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#26 · Posted: 7 Dec 2010 07:39
TJamMoneyMan: "huge" market
10,000 people turn 65 every day, and by then most have chronic pains.
Toxic pain killers are multi billion dollar business, that KILLS people.
Acetaminophen (Tylenol) is responsible for over 500 deaths a year,
and 10x that many in liver damage and toxicity.
And it's mild compared to prescription pain killers.
RTPR has not raised their prices once in their 12 year history.
As production increased so did the profit margins so now they are sharing it.
The new profit sharing program includes outside income generated by the company.
They have catalogs and Share-A-Sale vendors generating extra income
that is to be paid out to affiliates in the profit sharing pool.
I just wish they had made the transition more smoothly and with warning.
Life is good despite the little disappointments. I'm grateful for the raise.
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#27 · Posted: 7 Dec 2010 10:42 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
Just2EZ: Acetaminophen (Tylenol) is responsible for over 500 deaths a year, and 10x that many in liver damage and toxicity.
What is the source of this info?
Just2EZ: RTPR has not raised their prices once in their 12 year history.
I'd like the source of this info as well.
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#28 · Posted: 7 Dec 2010 10:45
Apology received and accepted.
"You bring up some great points that are correct and we apologize for not conveying it better. Not an excuse, but quite a bit has been going on with finalizing the foundation of ELA Vendor Program, and we now realize we did not transition that process as well as we should have and are willing to work with anyone that it is causing issues for.
With the ELA program it will facilitate one of our goals which is to work more closely with our affiliates and vendors to evaluate things that require transition in the future and allowing issues like this to be avoided.
Thanks for your input,
Ron"
And an explanation on the reasoning behind the change:
"After extensive research both online and in the marketplace, RTPR has substantial data that supports the following facts:
1. Affiliates and Vendors sell more jars of Real Time Pain Relief when they charge for samples than if they give them away for free. Additionally, knowing that there is a retail value for the packs, the sampler is more likely to share it or give it an honest try themselves.
2. Affiliates and Vendors are substantially more profitable when they are able to sell samples offline, and still profitable when they send them online to get one.
Therefore, to support this, RTPR is in the process of making the following changes:
1. Sample packs are being packaged as Travel Packs.
2. Travel Packs will have a $1.50 price printed on the packages along with the list of ingredients.
3. All online pages now sell the Travel Packs for as low as 3 for $2.95 Delivered.
4. The make money giving away free samples in the banners have been adjusted for the most part, and many if not all of the banners that were used in the past, that are still out there being advertised have been changed on the server side so that if a person is sourcing the file from our site as they should, the banner would automatically be updated, including the page those ads send them to. If you find one out there we have missed, please let me know.
5. All Vendor packs will include a tester squeeze bottle to allow the sample to sell concept to still take place at the vendor level.
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#29 · Posted: 7 Dec 2010 10:57
TJamMoneyMan: What is the source of this info?
There are many but the NIH should do, this is a 2004 report:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15239078
As for the price not increasing in 12 years, that is from management's mouth.
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#30 · Posted: 7 Dec 2010 10:57 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
Just2EZ: 10,000 people turn 65 every day, and by then most have chronic pains.
Simply ELIMINATING symptoms, like pain, is hardly the correct way to go about things.
And there are many natural (non drug OR herbal), and ESSENTIAL, means of dealing with pain, like diet and exercise.
Along with LIFTING heavy objects PROPERLY!!
It can be VERY dangerous to simply eliminate these kinds of symptoms, and then go on thinking everything is OK because pain or other symptoms are gone.
Self drugging/herbing/supplementing can cause more problems than any 'chronic' condition than even the drug/herb/natural supplement itself.
I didn't know that RTPR has been around for so long.
If so, you should post relevant info to what should be a 12 year track record.
Toxicity is more than a simple 'this is poisonous' approach.
Most ANYTHING in large enough amounts is toxic, yes, to include life essentials like WATER and OXYGEN!
Even more so, drugs and supplements.
Taken properly, substances that are potentially toxic, or even fatal, can be of beneficial use to the human system.
People need to take a more comprehensive approach to their health, and not just focus on eliminating symptoms.
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#31 · Posted: 7 Dec 2010 11:04 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
Allow me to point out that this relates to
Acetaminophen OVERDOSE, as pointed out in the VERY FIRST WORDS of that particular reference, as you can see from this excerpt:
Acetaminophen overdose is the leading cause for calls to Poison Control Centers (>100,000/year) and accounts for more than 56,000 emergency room visits, 2,600 hospitalizations, and an estimated 458 deaths due to acute liver failure each year.
Again, we are talking about the abusive practice of self drugging, and OVERDOSING!
Allow me to repeat: ANYTHING can be toxic when done to excess, ESPECIALLY drugs!!!
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#32 · Posted: 7 Dec 2010 11:08 · Edited by: Just2EZ
TJamMoneyMan: thinking everything is OK because pain or other symptoms are gone.
LOL, that's me. Tried to move an aquarium by myself the other day. Dumb!
I felt my tendons stretch and the joints start separating again in my shoulder.
At least it did not override my feelings so much I noticed and set it down quickly.
That's like the 3rd time I've re-injured my shoulder in the past 2 months.
First time was thinking I could move a railroad tie by myself, and did.
RTPR did not turn me into Superman, but let me think I was.
It's a double edged sword.
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#33 · Posted: 7 Dec 2010 11:09 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
Just2EZ: As for the price not increasing in 12 years, that is from management's mouth.
Well I simply find that hard to believe!
(and I'd think that would come from 'management's' PEN, unless you are telling me they told you this on the phone!)
With such a huge market, and them being in that market for 12 years now, they should be able to VERIFY sales and prices.
I would also think, with such a HUGE market, that this product should be well known, and have a track record.
If the track record is good, I'd think they'd be eager to post the results.
I am not trying to bash your plan here, but I expect you to verify your statements and cite your sources.
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#34 · Posted: 7 Dec 2010 11:15
Just2EZ: That's like the 3rd time I've re-injured my shoulder in the past 2 months. First time was thinking I could move a railroad tie by myself, and did. RTPR did not turn me into Superman, but let me think I was. It's a double edged sword.
Such is SPECIFICALLY what I am referring to!
Damaging your body with stressful improper body movements/postures is foolish.
Covering up the resultant damage with pain medication/herbs/supplements is just asking for trouble.
This sort of thing is what brings people into the em rooms with acetaminophen overdose poisoning in the first place!
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#35 · Posted: 7 Dec 2010 11:19
Yes it was by phone, on conference calls and repeated several times.
The current formula is not 12 years old so it is somewhat misleading.
Originally it was mostly Emu oil which is expensive but still in it.
I do not have access to historical pricing records so can't verify it.
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#36 · Posted: 7 Dec 2010 11:21 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
Just2EZ: The current formula is not 12 years old so it is somewhat misleading.
Again, such is SPECIFICALLY what I am referring to!
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#37 · Posted: 7 Dec 2010 11:42 · Edited by: Just2EZ
Thanks TJam, I now realize I know nothing about the COMPANY really.
The product is what got me involved with them in the first place, I tried it an LOVED it.
Best I can tell the current formula is around 2 years old.
The postage paid free sample started around the time I found it in May 2010.
Surviving 12 years is not much of a telling story or proof of profits, done that.
I have spoken freely with the co-founder many times and trust him.
I have made money selling their product, that's the bottom line.
And I couldn't sell Amway to my own mother.
I will look deeper into their background.
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#38 · Posted: 8 Dec 2010 20:29 · Edited by: Just2EZ
RTPR is being overly generous this month to VENDORS like me.
Yes, the business model is going through some major changes.
They still have the Affiliate program if you just want to market product,
and they added commissions on wholesale sales plus from sub-affiliates.
No cost to be an affiliate and remain at that level. Just no free samples anymore.
What seemed like pressure to upgrade to Vendor is mostly the urgency.
They are in pre-launch on the wholesale program during December
and want leaders to help them break into new wholesale markets.
I was already at the Basic Vendor level and just upgraded to the top.
That means 24% retail and 14% wholesale commissions for me.
The $49.95 monthly wholesale purchase is only required if I want to keep that extra 4%,
plus 7 levels deep commissions on sub-affiliates and sub-vendors,
plus qualifies me for up to $25K per quarter in team bonuses.
I will have no problem doubling my money on the monthly purchase.
And if I failed to buy it, I'd just fall back to affiliate level commissions.
The changes they made are gonna make a lot more money
for a lot more people that the previous generous structure.
Any questions? 'cause I'm no longer objective - I'm jazzed!
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#39 · Posted: 9 Dec 2010 08:30 · Edited by: Just2EZ
If you are considering joining RTPR, now is the time to act.
The official launch of Enjoy Living Again! is January 11, 2011
If you are an affiliate you can upgrade now for $75 to Basic Vendor,
THEN you can upgrade to Enterprise Vendor and not pay for it until Jan. 11th.
You will earn the top level commissions for December and be qualified for bonuses.
By Jan. 11th you will need to have purchased $300 at wholesale and
begin buying $49.95/month worth at wholesale to remain at that level.
That's $75 + $225 = $300, a cumulative purchase moves you up.
For some people, that means your Dec. commissions will pay for your upgrade.
You can and should resale your stock at retail to double your money.
Even if you sold it at cost you would still increase your commissions 20%.
I'm not trying to get you to join me, but if you are interested now is the time to act.
I've lived with chronic pains for over 40 years and finally Enjoy Living Again!
For me it was an accident that got me involved with this company.
I even sold my favorite camera to purchase my first vendor kit.
I have no regrets, only profits - and a new camera.
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#40 · Posted: 9 Dec 2010 09:50
A slight correction, you now have to pay postage on wholesale orders,
so that $75 Vendor kit will actually cost you $82.50 with S&H added.
Retail purchasers still get free shipping but wholesale buyers pay.
Guess that's so they could afford to pay me 14% on wholesale orders.
Retailers usually pay for shipping on their wholesale purchases anywhere.
I haven't heard any complaints from my wholesale accounts about it.
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