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#21 · Posted: 23 Oct 2006 18:52
Predator Marketing System FAQ continued
These are more questions from a different inquiry with my somewhat candid responses.
Is predator automated system, PAS or 1 step system really what they say they are?
"Yes. But what they say they are and what YOU or anybody else thinks they are is different. Some people are looking for a business where they really don't have to do anything, and some promoters are willing to lead these people to believe that they can make serius mony online with no work, no skill, and little investment.
Unfortunately for those people, these programs are not like that. While calling and phone follow-up is done for you by these programs you would still have to market them effectively to have a successful business. Marketing takes time, energy, and some money to do it well."
Can I really make the kind of money people say they do?
"Yes. Will you? Only if you market as diligently as they do and spend a comparable amount of money on your advertising."
If/when i join under you are willing to help me with any question I have for you regarding predator automated system?
"As far as I am concerrned this is a mentoring business, so the answer is yes."
If/when i do join under you should I be scared that something might go wrong when I send the joining on fee to you?
"Wire transfers are very reliable. If you send a bank check by mail and it get lost, it cannot be cashed by anyone but the recipient. I wouldn't anticipate any problems with this part of the process."
Is the predator automated system really a opportunity too good to be true?
"Depends on what you mean by that. If you think this you will get that $200k a year by not doing much, yes, it is too good to be true. If you are willing to work your butt off to get there, then No, its not too good to be true. Marketing is a skilled field and the only wayt to make the really serious money is to be good at it."
In your opinion is predator automated system better than PAS and 1 step system?
"Well, Yeah! But I guess I am biased."
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#22 · Posted: 24 Oct 2006 09:47
I have to agree that it does take some money to get started,
in a marketing business. most of the money is actually spent
on advertising and marketing. But believe it or not i recently
met a couple of millionaires who run their business with zero
advertising costs. So in regards to running a business on zero
costs. Yes you have to make your monthly purchases to
qualify for your commissions but their is an automated system
that can handle all of the advertising and promotion costs.
Respectfully william
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#23 · Posted: 25 Oct 2006 14:29
Pay It Foward 4 Profits eh? just because its a funded proposal system doesn't mean you don't buy advertising. Paul Birdsall has a lot of people saying he is a scam-meister. I am very opinionated about this program because I was in it and saw firsthand their hype and consistent failure to deliver on promises.
What they teach is not necessarily bad, but there are a lot of holes and perhaps not the best integrity.
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#24 · Posted: 25 Oct 2006 23:57 · Edited by: barefootmentor
Hey Mailbumentor,
I encourage you go to the next level and become a trainer for Veretekk it helps you become an expert using the system yourself.
I've been a Veretekk trainer for a long time now and can tell you it's worth every minute of time you spend when you see others have success online.
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#25 · Posted: 26 Oct 2006 00:22
Yeah, I know. I am waiting for the server changeover. I am kind of attached to the SEO functions of Veretekk and don't want to be teaching others how to use it when some parts of the system aren't running at full capacity.
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#26 · Posted: 29 Oct 2006 04:29 · Edited by: cost123
It's a good system, no doubt about it... Using it with the Predator is a
perfect combination!
The only thing I dislike it's the payment method they use to pay checks:
It's not available for many countries in north Europe.
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#27 · Posted: 29 Oct 2006 23:13
Veretekk information
Mailbumentor- Veretekk is working just fine for the SEO stuff ...
Cost123- go to the trainings they offer on Paystone you can get paid with them if you take the trainings showing what you need to do to accept payemnt.
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#28 · Posted: 29 Oct 2006 23:22
Ok. Not how I measure it.
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#29 · Posted: 11 Nov 2006 05:25
Quoting: barefootmentor barefootmentor
Thank you for your advice.... 
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How are you doing with your predator-marketing sales?
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#30 · Posted: 15 Nov 2006 00:21
Predator marketing System has a new flash movie on the site. Its a definite improvement over the original:
-professional voiceover
-improved script
-more explanation
-music
-some graphical changes
-loads faster (so I have been informed, I never times it)
Though the program continues to grow and deliver great training, its now clear that it takes savvy marketing to make sales consistently. Going with adwords is virtually a waste of time, and money. Its clear that the most progressive internet marketers will prosper here (though Veretekk generated sales are strong) and some will achiev their best results driving traffic from offline sources.
Lets not forget (in case we learned and did forget) that marketing is marketing and no program offers a magical solution to wealth. Financial freedom in internet marketing will be attained by those diligent enough to learn and practice solid skills.
the days of college kids raking in 20k per month from thousands of adsense sites have come to an end. The internet as a marketing medium will continue to grow, but more and more people are sick of the lies, income claims and hype.... they simply want to know if they can make enough money at it to quit their sucky jobs....
ANd yes, they can. I myself got sick of the long hours, pain, and general lack of renumeration I got as a skilled cabinetmaker. I have embraced a new craft: learning and teaching skilled marketing.
the parent of Predator Marketing System is Mentors on A Mission. It is a mentoring company, not a predator company. The name of the marketing system is the subject of some debate, but the technology is sound and the training is the finest out there.
My own great success as a marketer is a result in part of the MOM training, but I also spent many long hours studying arcane secrets of Search Engine Optimazation and content marketing.
I get a modest amount of traffic but I don't need a large amount to ake sales: the traffic is highly targeted. This makes all the difference. I am able to attract individuals who resonate with my idealism and embrace my skill-based approach; people who seek sensible solutions rather that smoke and mirrors.
I do my best to market with honesty and little hype. Lets admit though, a little hype is fun and exciting, as starting a new adventure should be. I don't seek the timid, the fearful... I seek those who recognize that the adventure is worth the risk, and that getting mentally equipped for triumph is essential.
Training in this game is everything. If people could learn internet marketing from the 1000s of ebooks that are packaged and sold as "income oportunities" there would be far fewer failing marketers. Its clear to me now (because I have spoken with many of them) that most do not possess my gift for comprehending and implimenting the written word.
People learn this craft through dialogue best. I know this is true because despite my gift for reading comprehension and retention, I still required one-on-one mentoring to really "get it". I came, as a result to regard this as a mentoring business...
Because teaching a man (or woman) to fish...
is far better than making a gift of the fish.
Blessings, all.
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#31 · Posted: 17 Nov 2006 21:39
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barefootmentor
Thank you for your advice....
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How are you doing with your predator-marketing sales?
Hi Cost123, I've moved away from one up sales program's and my focus is on training and consulting. I still support the people on my team that wish to promote it though.
I'm in a good position because I've built a large customer base of people who order products month after month. Now I can focus on training and working with people who haven't quite figured out their niche to make a good living online.
I'm also in the process of developing a franchise online for people who want to protect their health, create more wealth and discover their dream lifestyle. As soon as this new program launches I'll be changing all my re-directs.
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#32 · Posted: 5 Dec 2006 15:35 · Edited by: malibumentor
Jaguar Marketing System| Predator Marketing System| Financial freedom| Mentors on a Mission| Automated wealth program|
The Jaguar Marketing System has been released. It is a sister-site to Predator Marketing System and shares the same technology... it just looks different.
Some people did not feel comfortable promoting Predator Marketing System because they had a judgement about the name. The Jaguar Marketing System is named for a kitty-kat, so everybody who likes cute fuzzy creatures will like the Jaguar Marketing System much better.
Financial Freedom is definitely attainable with this technology and... ahem... the right mentor who is a great marketer and generous teacher. However it requires rolling up one's sleeves and going to work.
Its unfortunate that the system that inspired Jaguar Marketing System folded a few months ago. At present Jaguar stands alone in the field so there is nothing to compare it with.
In the near future this Automated Wealth Program is sure to head into momentum... and when it does, those who have the correct skills will be in a positition to prosper for life.
Mentors on a Mission is a training company that was started with the intention of "putting 10,000 people on the enlighetened path to financial freedom". Its something I am honored to be part of and the Jaguar Marketing System is so far ahead of anything else out there I think people are actually confused by it.
There is no reason to be confused... but there is reason to buckle down and start learning how to really market on the net. Because
if the internet today seems like a
Singing...
Dancing...
Extravaganza....
You Ain't seen Nothin' YET!
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#33 · Posted: 11 Dec 2006 07:56
Relative to the Predator Marketing System, back in June Malibumentor said the following: "Going with adwords is virtually a waste of time, and money." As a general rule, PPC is considered both expensive and highly targeted. I would be interested in learning more about why Adwords is not an effective way to promote PMS if the money is available for that type of promotion.
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#34 · Posted: 12 Dec 2006 11:58 · Edited by: malibumentor
Oh it works... if you do it right. Most people don't and it can be pretty discouraging if its done wrong.
I think what I meant was that advertising for the keyterm "Predator marketing System" was just not smart. First page positions will cost you and its going to mostly be people trying to figure out their own marketing. I have a pretty good idea of who is searching for "predator marketing system" and "jaguar marketing system" because I control pg. 1 organic listing positions in Google.
Success with PPC requires research and a lot of thought... and campaigns should ideally have continuity from the keywords to the ad, from the ad to the squeeze page.
This means that for every keyword group you will want a squeeze page designed to appeal to the type of people who are searching for those keywords.
Continuity from search to click to page view to lead capure requires getting in the customer's shoes in a significant way.
Continuity in marketing is making sure that the customer's expectations are met in a lot of ways. The secrets lie in appealing to:
1.their minds and good sense
2.their higher values and optimism
3.Lower values like flat out greed, and even fear.
4.Their emotions.
Good advertising headlines appeal to people mentaly, emotionally , AND spiritually.
Maybe this is too deep.
I almost lost my shirt on adwords and I know there is a lot of potential to flush money down the toilet with it. You can argue with Adwords experts all day, but its your money you will be spending on it.
The traffic can be highly targeted, but the bizop field is real crowded with PPC, so taking a different angle is wise. PPC should be part of any sensible online marketing campaign... but only part.
Tread cautiously, fellow traveller.
P.S. The guys who are using PPC for this term are making large boasts about their incomes. Some of them are not being truthful, I think. There is money to be made by misleading people, but I choose not to so so. Income claims may soon (thankfully) be illegal and are against the regulations of many direct sales companies, but not, at this point, Mentors on A Mission.
P.P.S - many of the folks advertising this program are also trying to get sales by bundling other offers, like "benefactored" entry into other programs. This is in clear violation of terms of service of the PAMS licence agreement. The founder of Mentors on A Mission is apparently not pushing this issue right now... but at some point compliance with the rules will become an issue.
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#35 · Posted: 12 Dec 2006 14:28 · Edited by: Homebizmom
I'm going to throw a new twist in here. I have been involved in some high dollar, thus very comprehensive training over the past few years.
I went into it to learn how to market a long term residual income. I like most of the students signed up into the data base, got dazeled by the short term money to be made with the system.
I did make a lot of money using what I learned, but I worked very hard. By the way, that money was made marketing the system, not my primary long term residual. Big difference! If I had put the same effort into marketing my primary, I'd have been set alot sooner. I did learn alot of lessons.
I understand that the Preditor system commisions out from $1,000-3,000. It doesn't take a genious to know there's a huge investment to get in. Most people getting into this business don't even have a clue, let alone that kind of money.
All of my experience revolves around telephone and leads, so now I am back in the (serious) learning mode or the student seat. I want to know how to internet market effectively, efficiantly and cost effectivly. We all need to work our way into business, not spend our way out. I've witnessed alot of road kill along the way, from alot of wolves in sheeps clothing. I have unwittingly been one of them. Not anymore!
You can either pay thousands - or - get the same information for free. Either way it will require hard, dedicated, perservering, persistant and consistant work. No way around it. The problem is, there are too many people suckered into the dream, that if you throw alot of money at it, you don't have to work at it. Not true. I'll say it again, not true at all.
It's not will it work, it's will you work?
If one has gone and obtained all the free stuff, then and only then should you go and use some of your earnings from that route to reinvest in higher dollar education. We can never learn too much!
I don't want it to be construed that I am saying there is no value in high dollar education. There is value in all education, but go out and take advantage of the free training first!
If you have what it takes, and you will only know you have what it takes after you get in and start putting one foot infront of another, then you will make money and you can reinvest from those earnings and not mortgage your home.
If anyone is interested, I give lots of free info, free advertising, free training links in my blog.
http://MakeHugeMoneyOnline.BlogSpot.com.
Blessing!
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#36 · Posted: 12 Dec 2006 15:13 · Edited by: malibumentor
I beg to differ a little on the notion that $4k is a lot of money to start a business. Its not, especially for those who go in with their eyes open.
The amount of capital we invest in building our businesses is reflected by what we get out of them. Now I went in with the intention of creating financial freedom, not to earn a few bucks here and there... so I am what you would call a serious-minded person in this regard. Since I am up front that building one of these businesses takes work, I attract similar-minded folks who are looking to have their efforts pay-out in a meaningful way.
I have noticed that "free" programs attract people who are looking to build something with no investment. Most fail because they have little reason not to. Life gets in the way, etc... and financial freedom remains a pie-in-the-sky dream.
I am in the business of marketing something-for-something, not something for nothing. For myself, I relaized from the get-go that if I wasn't willing to really put my money on the line, I would most likely loose focus and not get anywhere. My financial committment to myself, my education, and building my business was a tough one to make- but totally worthwhile.
With regards to free training... unfortunately "free" is tremendously undervalued on the net. I know this because people sign up with Veretekk all the time and don't take advantage of the free training.
How do I know this? I know when the Silver members log in. So for those who really want to learn to market on the internet and are willing to actually show up for classes, Veretekk has that. That's where I started... and I am doing very well now.
I worked very hard however. And I also invested considerbly in other education. What is taught in the Mentors on A Mission training is NOT what is taught in PIF4P or any other free training program out there. The Mentors on A Mission training tells a part of the story you are unlikely to find elsewhere.
95% of the folks marketing on the net are not successful because they don't comprehend the way it really works. No free training program teaches how it really works. It would be too dangerous.
I have spoken with many, many people who have been trying to scratch out an income on the internet for 5 years or more, most never making more than a few bucks here and there.
In contrast, I built a successful business in 10 months of internet marketing. I didn't do it by being reluctant or afraid to INVEST in my education and personal development.
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#37 · Posted: 12 Dec 2006 16:40 · Edited by: Homebizmom
4K is not alot of money for someone who has made 5K in the biz already, but for most people who don't have any idea what kind of commitment it takes to get in there and work a successful business, it's a fortune.
You said that you know alot of people who haven't stepped up to the free training. How many of the paid people have not stepped up and been a success as well?
A few years ago I put my last dime into some training and I got busy making it happen. I was a pit bull. I didn't let up. I then became a master instructor and worked with alot of students. I witnessed over 4000 students who spent alot of money on the same training that was responsible for my success, I am only aware of less than 100 who had the commitment to do what it takes. That is 2.5% and the fact is, less than 5 % will make it in this industry and 95% will fail because they are dreamers and the marketers know that.
The lower emotions you refer to in your comment on Dec 12th, of greed, fear and emotion are what people are driven by not good sence. They don't have good educated sense yet. You being the great marketer you are, know this and capitalize on this.
Once one is trained to make value decitions with the mind and good sence, then one can think for himself. Too late for the person who already spent $4000 on greed and emotion.
How much we spend on training is not reflective of what we will get, however who we are as commited individuals coupled with great advertising, is reflective of what we will receive out of it. If I had had free training offered to me, like I now have, I would have done just as well. Those people who didn't do well with the same training could find out using the free training what they were made of as well. Again, after they make the money working the system, reinvest into more expensive training. The wise marketer will always be investing in his learning!
I would venture to guess, you didn't spend $25K out of your own pocket. I mean, you probably made alot of that before you invested more. Just like I turned 500 into 18k before reinvesting.
PIF4P teaches exactly what your program teaches for free and what it is lacking, I make up for by giving away what I know as a master marketer, that is for the very serious people in my organization. Just like you do for those who spend $4k with you.
Side note; a great organization is not made up of one great mind, but many.
By the way, being in business isn't totally free. If you are a relatively new marketer, save the $4000 in training costs and use that money for advertising you will be trained to appropriatly use. Good new is, that cost will come back to you very fast! Then you reinvest more, make more, reinvest more etc...
There's nothing wrong with your training, but the primary purpose in business is to make as much money as possible and have the time to enjoy the fruits of your labors.
Right?
I am sharing with indviduals reading this, the fact that I am very fortunate to be associated with a program and a couple of guys who have created a brilliant system that turns marketing upside down by giving it all away.
When you share what you know for free you will have gained the trust of your prospects beyond measure.
This system is brilliant beyond the imagination, because it teaches people for free how to effectivly market any business, and it even teaches people the steps neccessary to evaluating the validity of whatever network marketing company their interested in getting involved with.
For example if people didn't know or understand how to evaluate a marketing company they could be venturing into something that won't be profitable, by no falt of their own. The goal is to show someone how to make 6 figures a year with 500 people or less in your organization. For example, I know several companies where it takes 2500 or more people to make that kind of money. But by the same token I know companies where you only need 500 to make $100,000 per year. Those are the companies to take a closer look at. There are 6 more crutial steps to look at before pulling the trigger. Here's the free resource that's offered, http://masteringyourprimary.com/mlmdiva.
That is supposing people are looking for long term residual income where they can walk away for a vacation or two or three, come back with out skipping an income beat.
This is basic information that people need to know before going forth and spending great big gobs of money. Business will cost money, but if you do it right, it won't be your own.
Free Training is not the end, just the beginning!
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#38 · Posted: 12 Dec 2006 18:27 · Edited by: malibumentor
Clearly you wish to use this thread as a podium to promote your PIF4P business. I can't fault you for your ambition but I will say my piece about the program you are promoting.
I was in fact involved with PIF4P and they had a consistent pattern of overpromising and underdelivering.
Some people may dislike me for this... I don't think reading the PIF4P training is bad idea. I think promoting the program itself is.
Here's Why:
When you promote these guys you are promoting somebody else. Plain and simple, they have enrolled large numbers of people to promote THEM as super-duper networkers and nice guys, when in fact Better Business Bureau reports indicate that Paul Birdsall is anything but an ethical businessperson.
Should anyone wish to research PIF4P and its founders I suggest they begin here. The Better Business Bureau of Manitoba & Northwest Ontario
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Look, I really wanted to believe that the Funded Sponsoring franchise was a good system at one time. But it really just promotes these two dudes, not you, and not your ideas or your values, and that is its fundamental, tragic flaw... because PB has a history of Ripping People Off!
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#39 · Posted: 12 Dec 2006 20:33 · Edited by: Homebizmom
Interesting.
How can you be guilty over overstating or ripping people off if the program is free?
If the training doesn't work then why would you even read the training? If it's good enough to use, then it's good enough to share, I think.
I would question the BBB and their reporting methods because Every big biz out there has been reported by someone to the BBB.
Infact our $400 million primary company was listed as one of the Forbes Top 5 Cash Rich Companies in America, in the October 2006 issue & also one of the top 10 best small companies in America listed in the June 2005 issue of Buisness Week Magazine, they are listed with the BBB as unsatifactory. So what to do with that?
Back to PIF4Ps, how can a bad company be top of Alexa ratings in 6 month time? This doesn't make sense. It shows me they know what they are doing and I want to know how to do the same thing.
The proof is in the pudding so to speak.
I am the kind of person that I am looking for, just show me how to do it and let's get busy and make money together.
One more thing, the reason I gave up 6 figures a year by promoting the expensive training program, is exactly the reason you are saying PIF4Ps is no good. The program focused on the trainers and not on me. The term is positioning and professional marketing is all about that.
I am now putting into practice marketing myself, who I am and what I have to offer using the PIF4Ps system and I am offering others my expertise and advise. This forum is one of those methods I was taught, also blogging and article writing. Unfortunatly, I know what I know and it will rub some gurus the wrong way, especially if it saves the prospect his money.
I really don't want to ruin your day, I just wanted new marketers to do some work first and save alot of money. The serious marketers who are ready for what you have are not who I am talking to.
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#40 · Posted: 13 Dec 2006 12:26 · Edited by: malibumentor
Terri, you came on this thread with the clear intention of recruiting for your PIF4P business. You asserted that your program and yourself have all the knowledge taught in MOM , which it doesn't and you don't.
PIF4P training is okay, the funded proposal biz's they promote are second rate generally.
Here's a rundown,
-GDI is overpriced hosting. may be worth it as a biz-op if you wanna bust-ass.
-Traffi Oasis leads suck big time and are overpriced, incentivized and not targeted. Totally not recommended and pricey to set up.
-Traffic Swarm... ok, its harmless.
-Success University is overpriced and difficult for many people to promote. As a Binary, it is flawed and the delivery of the product is second rate.
-PushButton Leads- IS a J.o.k.e.
I am sure they have added more now.
The internet is overrun with zealots who are following the PIF4P agenda and they are unintentionally creating this crazy cult-like following for Birdsall and Broughton (see BBB report above, pertaining to Birdsall himself, not any mlm company he repped. He has personally racked up more complaints than just about any other biz in the district). You, Terri, are promoting these GUYS, not yourself.
Terri, you have a lot to share, but you are leading people into a program that is very cleverly packaged and I will take a stand that this program ,PIF4P - while it looks swell on the surface, is in fact NOT what it appears to be.
The internet marketing success guide was pretty much PLAGIARIZED from Mike Dillard's Magnetic Sponsoring. Its full of affiliate links which make Birdsall and Broughton richer, not you.
The reason PIF4P is set up the way it is is to create:
Fear Of Loss
People will upgrade in all these programs because they get sold on the idea that they will lose money (which passes up to their sponsor) if they don't. Its an old tactic and its used in a very sly manner to build massive downlines for the founders of PIF4P (and have those downlines all BRANDING the founders as the Messiahs of Internet Marketing) who make it seem like they are doing you a favor "picking the best programs out there for you" and letting you pick 1 primary bizop.
Stone Evans The Home Biz Guy has a system which is similar and in fact PIF4P is derived from it. The difference is YOU get to pick the programs.
Joe Schroeder, the father of the Funded Proposal in network marketing has a system which is way superior as a funded proposal AND brands YOU as a leader, not somebody else.
Look, I'm probably coming off as a meanie here, but I left PIF4P because the consistently made Pie-in-the-sky promises and did NOTHING to deliver on them. Instead, their efforts went into adding more programs and creating greater
Fear of Loss
I am going to assert that PIF4P creates as much internet roadkill as any other program out there. Come back in three months and tell me how wrong I am.
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