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Casper
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#21 · Posted: 12 Oct 2008 02:26
In terms of how the program works which one is better IPC or LWS Freedom as they seem to be both the same thing to me.
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#22 · Posted: 12 Oct 2008 07:53
The essence is the same...both websites sell the potential to earn an extra income, or possibly replace your job (which is the dream), to spend more time doing whatever it is you like to do, if you had more financial freedom.
Each program goes about it in their unique ways.
First and foremost, although IPC has you view it as "direct sales", both programs are essentially affiliate marketing. You're affiliated with the program, and you get a commission payout for each time you refer a sale, or a new member to the program.
What are people actually buying? what is actually being sold?
Investment in Educational products and training services that promise you the resources and blueprint to learn Internet Marketing. Then, in addition to this "intellectual property", you get the rights to your own website that promotes the program, and does the job of "selling" the product along with the income opportunity.
Both sites do a great job presenting the opportunity in their own different style, and different compensation payout plan.
Ok, we know that any slick and compelling website selling marketing education, is worthless without delivering visitors to the website/storefront.
Here is where I get to the differences...
All things being equal, both programs at its core, accomplish the same things, at similar investment costs. Both are one time investments, and both claim an income potential hundreds a day delivered to your digital bank accounts.
Apart from appearance and presentation, the main difference in these two programs is how the member is Compensated for their marketing efforts. Both programs rely on essentially the same marketing tools, strategies and methods.
IPC Program Compensation is simple and easy to understand. $200 each sale or referred member. Your first sale, your second, your last. That simple. The simplicity of this plan is a big selling point, hence "$200 over and over again for life" "you do the math..." "1000 in a day ! You can do it !" "Follow our marketing system!"
Both programs provide a variety of payment processors, like AlertPay, and is integrated in the plug and play sytem.
LWS Freedom Compensation- $130 each sale or referred member. Once you get familiar with the system, drive traffic, and get your first referred member, that $130 goes to your Sponsor first, which makes you qualified to start earning $130 directly. This is referred to as a "1-Up" business model. Now, once the 2nd sale is made, you receive $130. Same with the 3rd, 4th,etc. But the effect of the 1-up model, each person you refer, will also pass their first sale to you.
It's a little more difficult to grasp at first, but its quite simple, and in my opinion, more powerful and advantageous. For sake of example, let's say i'm already "qualified" which i personally am, if i make 5 sales in October, that's a commission of $650. If you can get the hang of marketing online, 5 sales a month is very achievable with either programs.
Now here's why I choose to promote LWS over IPC...
I made 5 sales total in October 2008...now if in November, i decided to take a month vacation and not do anything...if my 5 sales the previous month, did their diligence and learned the LWS system, they will have gotten their first sale, which passes up to me.
SO even if i didn't do any marketing in November, I still made $650, while out enjoying my life. Even if i Didn't do anything in December, I will always have 5 people working under me, learning LWS and recruiting their first Sale, that gets passed up to me. This is called a "Powerline", and you can have as many as you want. In my Example, it was 5. There is no limit to how many powerlines you can build. If you average 5 a month, you'll have 10 in the second month, 15 in the third, etc. can you imagine Starting off 2009 with a solid team of 10 people under you, going through the LWS program, marketing for you, and giving their first $130 sale to you?
That is the beauty of 1-Up, in that there is incentive for you to help guide your new member recruits to succeed, and build your business for the long haul. I didn't even take into account that, you get $10 for every sale someone under you makes, and $5 for every sale the person under them makes. So, two levels down, there is a residual effect working for you there. Over time, the Freedom 130 plan outshines IPC's even that much more.
Those in the IPC program had better keep recruiting recruiting recruiting. Market, Advertise, Market, because once the flow of sales stop, so does your $200 one time commission.
Not to mention, Once you bring in a member to IPC Program, they essentially become competition to you...
No wonder my sponsors, who claimed to be "top notch mentors", were hard to get a hold of, and weren't really genuine about seeing me rise to the earning levels they are at. IPC program already has enough competition with other programs as it is, LWS, EZ-Wealth Solutions, a bunch of low-cost empty-promises programs, and the multitude of Cash-Gifting programs(which also do work).
I hope that answers some of the questions out there in regards to IPC program and LWS Freedom program.
P.S- There are much more subtle and not so subtle differences, that i can write a lot more about. Shoot me a PM if you'd like. Ive touched on the most significant one, being How We Get Paid.
I'll stick to my personal goal of 5 referrals a month, every month, and grow my income to a steady and profitable amount. I don't wan't to spend most of my day marketing my business. And i also won't feel guilty by promoting a program that relies heavily on hype, with only a handful of savvy marketers making Big bucks...while their army of recruits fizzle out after a couple months or less.
I'm aware of Several successful IPC promoters have made the switch like I have. That's an upside of not having a downline. Plug in LWS instead of IPC in your marketing routine = better Return on Investment in the long run.
Oh, and the fact that LWS is not even a month old...
Industry Heads know's the best time to get in a program is at or near the launch...
Oh, and IPC hides the fact that you'll have to shell out $20 a month for an autoresponder service to follow up your leads, and the recommended hosting to "brand" your website is not mentioned untill you are a paid member. Hosting runs through LunarPages. Even with the IPC discount, that's $80 a year to host your site.
LWS is truely under $197, one time...including email follow ups that contain fresh audio and video messages from the program leaders who do a good job to convert your prospects to sales...
IPC's automated messages are full of "Have you ever made $1000 day ?! ~yournamehere~"
Recap on investment to get up and running for success: IPC $360, LWS $197
At the "Mid-Ticket" investment level, I could go on and on with why i feel LWS is more a valuable/powerful/marketable program than IPC.
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#23 · Posted: 12 Oct 2008 11:49
Cjay,
On sep 30, you stated that you have made 4 sales. Then on Oct 7, you stated you got an email that you just made your first sale. I am confused?
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#24 · Posted: 12 Oct 2008 15:52
He said 4 sign-ups. I assumed these were sign-ups who had not become paid members yet. Once they become paid, then the sale is made.
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#25 · Posted: 16 Oct 2008 06:14
Well I just thought I would put out my latest update.I am still a free member and have been for 24 days.I have not received any voice mails from them trying to close me.My theory here is why would I believe for one moment that Dave and Max are going to try and close my sales for me once I upgrade when they are not making any attempt to get me to upgrade to paid member.The funniest thing is that Dave Dubbs is my sponsor so if he is not trying to close me then who is closing your sales for you.Don't get me wrong I think you can make money here if you are an awesome marketer and sales person but if you sit back and wait for someone else to close your sales for you it will not happen.
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#26 · Posted: 18 Oct 2008 11:08
emmjay-
R U checking your spam emails for these?
That was happening for me, and then I added LWS Freedom to my contacts list, and all is fine now.
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#27 · Posted: 18 Oct 2008 12:40
Yes I have been checking my spam folder but I did just receive an email yesterday which to me is not nearly enough effort on their part to convince me to upgrade as of yet.I have past experience with my sponsor and EDC and the first word that comes to mind is greed.
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#28 · Posted: 20 Oct 2008 21:45
OMG! Have you seen the FREE promo's LWS Freedom is giving away to new members for a limited time?? I have NEVER seen anything like this on the internet before. These FREE give aways alone, have the potential to make us millions.
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#29 · Posted: 21 Oct 2008 07:31
Cjay,
Gives a great account of the front end of the LWS system, but as he has suggested there are nearly 19 powerful tools in the back office alone that he hasn't even taken advantage of yet. That could easily increase ones opportunities to close sales without waiting on Dave or Max to get to your FREE tour takers. He who hesitates is lost. Get Paid By George!!!
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#30 · Posted: 21 Oct 2008 13:08
well I have been in LWS since the first day,, made a few sales and have alot of free peeps, in my list.. I do however try to stay in touch with those on the free side to help give them info on training and recorded training. Dave is pretty busy as always and he will answere emails if you send him one but be patient. I've known him for awhile and he is a straight shooter. I really need to be more involved but it's that time of year here where we are in the woods more than at home 
LWSF is a great program and we offer free PPC advertising, alot of info and alot of training that others don't. So don't get discouraged get busy...
Have a great week all..
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#31 · Posted: 21 Oct 2008 13:12
PS... some of the promotions that we offer are really off the wall. free memberships to other programs... run by other really succesful markerters, that also offer fantastic training.. Hey I had to pay but some of u's cacn get it for free.
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#32 · Posted: 22 Oct 2008 08:29
Hi, I have just signed up myself. I have been promoting online money making programs for a while now, so I always conduct a pretty thorough due diligence on them before I jump in.
Because these programs are generally appealing to people new to earning some extra cash from the internet, this is what I look for in a program.
LWS Freedom and to be honest all program like this are excellent for newbies because they show people how to market online by actually doing and not just reading e-books on internet marketing for years and spending thousands in the process.
They teach Guerilla Marketing by doing. Good old in the trenched direct marketing - advertise somewhere and test the results. So I think these programs are the fastest way to get good at online promotion, to be frank.
I have also been watching these guys for a while, also. They seem to be getting results. I will carry on promoting.
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#33 · Posted: 26 Oct 2008 13:18 · Edited by: awesomeincome
It is nice to hear from you guys! I just sign up with LWS as well as a free member. So, far I havent gone any promoting yet. But anyway, I hope I will be as successful to some of you here
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#34 · Posted: 27 Oct 2008 15:22
well we are promoting for you,, sign up free and we have a free area for new members so that we can show you that it works..
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#35 · Posted: 28 Oct 2008 01:15
Hi Everyone,
I just checked out LWS it looks like a well put togather program. What I liked most is the price point. It should bring in lot of new members around this time or the year good luck.
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#36 · Posted: 30 Oct 2008 01:58
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/382/RipOff0382613.htm
Anyone looked at this? It's about Paul Darby of Unimax Services, and also about LWS. Basically, it says you need to pay an additional $145.40 US for your autoresponder or your site will never be functional. I already paid my 198.00 but now I'm worried. Too late now...
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#37 · Posted: 30 Oct 2008 16:00
Have you guys been keeping up with the incredible deals LWS Freedom has been offering our tour takers?
They are also continually adding additional free tools for us as well as some of the best free trainng in the industry!
Lws Freedom just keeps getting better and better
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#38 · Posted: 30 Oct 2008 16:07
I am an LWS Freedom member for awhile now, and I do not see that additional $145 amount ANYWHERE within my site, nor have I been asked to pay anything additional, and my site works fine. You have been mis-informed my friend!
This company recruits for US!
They use their own auto-responders.
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#39 · Posted: 31 Oct 2008 03:14
That's true, they do use their own autoresponders. I didn't think of that. Well, I'm considerably less worried now. Yay.
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#40 · Posted: 16 Nov 2008 02:00
Hi! I am new to the forum...I like the tone of all the comments. It seems that everyone is trying to be helpful. I am also a "pending" member of LWS and you all have given me enough confidence to upgrade. Thanks for that! By the way, I first heard of LWS in Hub Pages....so I clicked on it. I am new to internet marketing and soaking up information like a sponge. I'll keep you posted!
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