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#41 · Posted: 16 Jan 2008 19:44
Quoting: Howard Hughes in a circumlocutary fashion, which would you endeavour to get the most out of (and this may seem petty but I think it re-inforces my point) a rake you bought for $14 or a rake you bought for $100?
I don't know what the heck "circumlocutary" is supposed to mean but, why pay $100 for a rake when you can get one for $14?
I would most certainly try to do the job with the cheaper rake!
I would 'endeavour to get the most out of' ANYTHING I paid money for.
'Endeavoring' to get the most return on my investment whatever the amount.
A $100 rake will have to prove itself to be at least greater than SEVEN TIMES the value of a $14 rake.
Given the task of what rakes are purchased to do, a $100 rake will have a very hard time of justifying such an exorbitant price.
Likewise, LLI will have to justify the excessively high costs of its program.
So far, LLI doesn't seem to even have a CAP on expenses, much less a justification!
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#42 · Posted: 17 Jan 2008 04:15
I think you have missed my point TJam. Yes, both rakes will do the same job, if you are only doing the job once.
But what happens over time when the cheaper rake, probably made of inferior quality materials, starts to give and you have to go out and buy another rake? How much have you saved? You get what you pay for TJam and in this highly saturated, money-making world everyone is throwing out something to sell. And of course, the market is unregulated so there is no quality control.
All I can do is speak to you of my experience of the product and the business and all I can say to both is that they work. I'd like to acknowledge your point of view at this stage, if I can do it cheaper why not? Well, I wish you the best of luck with that frame of mind. I have friends with that mindset. They are not very happy people.
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#43 · Posted: 17 Jan 2008 11:28 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
Quoting: Howard Hughes But what happens over time when the cheaper rake, probably made of inferior quality materials, starts to give and you have to go out and buy another rake?
CONSUMER REPORTS magazine has shown time and again, that higher price seldom begets higher quality. Many consumers have made similar observations based on their own experience.
If you are going to charge a high price for something it should be for higher QUALITY, not just so the customer will 'appreciate it more' - which was your original point.
The price should at least reflect the cost of producing and marketing the item, especially if the retail price is going to be excessive.
That's one way to justify a higher then expected price tag.
If the only reason for an exorbitant price is so that someone will 'appreciate' the product, then that's hardly an indication of intrinsic value.
To use your analogy, I'd 'appreciate' a $14 rake more and 'endeavor to get more' out of it, if only I had to pay $100 for it.
LLI, should justify the price of it's products by their inherent value and quality, not just so people will 'appreciate' them more.
They can charge what they want of course, but they should not be surprised that a customer like myself questions the cost of their products with regard to value, and fair market price.
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#44 · Posted: 17 Jan 2008 11:58
ap�pre�ci�ate
verb
recognize the full worth of:she feels that appreciate her. See not at: Esteem.
I would agree with you wholeheartedly TJam, when you are parting with money, you should question the cost of the product(s) and if you ask anyone in LLI, they would be happy to explain a) the reason why LLI was set up in the first palce and b) the price of the product(s).
Speaking for myself, it is important to me that anyone who comes in to the business through me does so in full knowledge.
Howard
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#45 · Posted: 17 Jan 2008 12:01
Well, I wish you much success with LLI.
Keep us posted!
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#46 · Posted: 17 Jan 2008 12:09
Thank you TJam. I'd be delighted to keep you posted. Perhaps you could give me you e-mail address and we'll keep it of the notice board?
[email protected]
I look forward to hearing from you.
To your continued success too. If you ever find yourself in Dublin, Ireland, we can have a "philosopher's chat" over a Guinness....
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#47 · Posted: 17 Jan 2008 13:22 · Edited by: banditbiker
They push and push you to get the most expensive level and you will have a heck of a time duplicating what the few who are making money are doing. There are easier ways to go.
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#48 · Posted: 18 Jan 2008 08:46
Quoting: Howard Hughes To your continued success too. If you ever find yourself in Dublin, Ireland, we can have a "philosopher's chat" over a Guinness....
Til Dublin then!
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#49 · Posted: 23 Jan 2008 16:38
Hi everyone. A friend of mine was in Liberty League and was doing very well with it, like $50,000 a month. He recently has joined with me in a new company that he saw the potential in. He's a tremendous business man, in that he has several businesses that are making him a lot of money. Being that he was in LLI and saw my company as something of equal value in the business world, I encourage you to take a peek as well. Being part of several good businesses and promoting them in different ares in life can magnify the outcome.
David Joseph
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#50 · Posted: 23 Jan 2008 17:42
David Joeseph,
I found a very insghtful article regarding BTTW online, and the company sounds to have a good plan in place. However, without going into the extremities of giving you my contact info on your main page, please message me in private as I have a few questions regarding BBTW. I am 99% sure I'll be starting my first online marketing venture in the next few days, However it hurts to research them all.
Thanks,
Art
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#51 · Posted: 23 Jan 2008 17:45
Last sentence, should have read; "However it NEVER hurts to research them all."
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#52 · Posted: 24 Jan 2008 14:35
Just to be clear -
the reason many people are attracted to LLI is because it has been around for over 6 years, has a massive back-end profit system in place and working, and it has overcome the challenges new companies face.
Most folks who call me about LLI are not looking for a startup opportunity. They know that most of them tank or experience rapid growth in the "launch" phase but that the growth is not sustainable.
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#53 · Posted: 24 Jan 2008 21:55
I understand what your saying Malibumentor. There are a lot of companies out there that have a fast start, but burn out quickly. I think that a companys structure, what it has to offer, and whether it can become flexible to change when necessary has a lot to do with how well it will do for the long haul. As well as the character of the company as a whole. I believe that Gerald, the CEO, has taken a considerable amount of his experience and incorporated it into this business. I'm sure that LLI is a blessed business to be a part of. As you have said, it has proven itself over time.
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#54 · Posted: 25 Jan 2008 14:27
Great thread! Many opportunities to choose from; which way to go? I believe an ideal business model needs to have 4 key components:
1. A high-quality exclusive product. An in-demand product that is actually worth more than you pay for it, and is available only from one company.
2. A high ticket item with a high profit margin. Thus, you're able to utilize time leverage, as well as profit leverage by generating fewer sales.
3. Automation. A system that does the initial explaining 24/7, further leveraging your time.
4. Support and mentoring. Extremely vital, especially if you are new to the industry. Someone already successful in the business that you're able to mirror, at least in the beginning stages.
These factors were very attractive when I was looking for the ideal opportunity.
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#55 · Posted: 3 Feb 2008 04:59
Quoting: BeHomeToday Hi everyone. A friend of mine was in Liberty League and was doing very well with it, like $50,000 a month.
I find that extremely hard to believe.
Is there any proof? (I didn't think so!).
Then, how much did he invest to make that kind of cash?
Of course, there's no proof of that either.
Folx make these outrageous claims in order to get people to sign up for whatever it is they are promoting - "Being that he was in LLI and saw my company as something of equal value in the business world, I encourage you to take a peek as well."
Then, I notice all this is in the past tense (was in LLI etc.).
Which makes sane folx inquire - why would someone stop doing something that 'was' bringing in $50,000 a month???
hmmmmm...
From the admin posting advice:
2) Please stay on topic. Posts meant to hijack users from the original topic will be removed. For example, if the discussion is on company X, no posts will be made regarding Y company.
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#56 · Posted: 3 Feb 2008 20:21
I have sent you a private message TJ Moneyman.
David Joseph
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#57 · Posted: 3 Feb 2008 20:40
TJ Moneyman, I couldn't send you a private message because of some anti-spam filter, but here's the message. If you would like Gregory's number, who is the gentleman that was in LLI, and any other information to communicate with him about how he did in LLI or how much he invested monthly to acheive that, go to
blueskyfxcm.com
As far as why someone like him, or the young man who I'm working under right now in Big Ticket To Wealth would leave $50,000 a month, it's to take an opportunity to make more which they both are doing.
I hope that helps. Take care and God Bless.
David
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#58 · Posted: 4 Feb 2008 00:27
I got your message Dave:
As far as why someone like him, or the young man who I'm working under right now in Big Ticket To Wealth would leave $50,000 a month, it's to take an opportunity to make more which they both are doing.
You mention $50,000 a month, but you don't indicate what it cost to make that $50G.
Every business costs.
People often brag about income, but unless what it COST to make that kind of money is included, in time as well as finance, the figure is essentially meaningless.
Then, there are 'costs' that are a little harder to quantify - and rarely do folx care to share all of these realities with complete strangers!
QUALITY of life - time away or with family, physical and mental well being, to name just a few.
Then too, sometimes there's often a light at the end of the tunnel - the dreaded oncoming train!
In most cases these issues are more often what compels people in a certain direction than simply 'to take an opportunity to make more'.
We only need so much money after all.
What the money COSTS is extremely important, and undeniable.
You or anyone can do what they wish, and make what you like, and I hope only the best for you in your endeavors, but when you post figures that tell only part of the story, I see a red flag.
Maybe needlessly, but more often than not, I find that there's more to the story than just one figure will explain.
And when folx talk about how much money they or someone else is making, there is ALWAYS an agenda (in this case, promoting a website!). Otherwise, how much money one makes is nobody's business but their own. For these reasons and for the sake of truth in forum posting, I feel justified in commenting.
TC&GBU2!!,
TJMM
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#59 · Posted: 4 Feb 2008 00:46
No Problem TJ. You have a great point. Having a business does require time and money to become something substantial.
Take care,
Dave
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#60 · Posted: 4 Feb 2008 01:44
To me it seems the people who are ripping people off and getting rich are the ones who love this company. Check out BBB.org and you'll see that LLI is garbage. To me it seems nothing but BS...smooth car sales man talk. Talking about a $14 rack and a $100 one, come on people wake up. It is just a get rich scam period. Anyone with some common sense can see the red flags; check out all the post on RipOffReport.com. It just a pyramid scam. Can anyone just say if you sign up with LLI this is your investment and your monthly cost. Like this clown beingdoinghaving.com, the whole web site does not even state the job description. Just a VERY LONG sales pitch.
This is from the BBB.org web site...
On May 24, 2006, the Arizona Attorney General announced a settlement with Liberty League International and their principles Brent Payne and Shane Krider. The consent judgment resolved complaints that the multi-level marketing corporation "tricked" consumers into spending money by promising "sizable commissions" if they marketed three personal development products and recruited new participants into their program. According to the document filed in Superior Court, the program participants didn't earn enough money to cover the cost spent on the products they were selling.
The Settlement requires Liberty League International to pay $100,000 in civil penalties, refrain from making unsubstantiated earnings claims, advise consumers of the correct percentage of participants that have made a profit through the Liberty League Program and refrain from making false and deceptive claims in their marketing materials.
The Settlement requires Liberty League International to pay $100,000 in civil penalties, refrain from making unsubstantiated earnings claims, advise consumers of the correct percentage of participants that have made a profit through the Liberty League Program and refrain from making false and deceptive claims in their marketing materials.
For further information on this settlement you may wish to visit the Arizona Attorney General's website at www.attorney_general.state.az.us.
The Bureau has requested basic information from this company. The Bureau has not received a response.
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