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#21 · Posted: 29 Jun 2007 19:02
Hopefully everyone is making a boatload of money here in 2007. Time flies and the summer is now here. This is by far the best time of year to get started with a home based business. To get situated now and to learn your craft so you can take advantage of the fall season which is by far the most lucrative part of the year. It is imperative to pick a business that you see tremendous value in , that has a simple system, and a business that you can actually see yourself having huge financial results with.
I have been with Emerald Passport for a while now. Sure people come and go and new knockoffs come and go but Emerald Passport is still going strong. They have just taken a huge positive step in helping the newbie or unseasoned direct sales entrepreneur get their business running and have made it so much easier for them to start developing business and making sales. They have created an amazing, simple yet powerful new marketing video that will create more leads. Then they have refined the system to where a monkey can put people through it. We now direct them to one site where they can get all the information they need. If they like what they see and hear only then will they be allowed to attend a question and answer call where they will be closed. This way of doing things is a lot less phone intensive. No more setting people up for conference calls and chasing people. Strictly work the numbers. This simple system will help so many people immensely.
Emerald Passport by far has the best product in this industry. No one that has come and gone has ever bashed it. It is multi faceted. So many other direct sales companies offer products that are one dimensional. Whether it be travel, or just personal development, or real estate. Our product offers all of that and more. You get your best bang for the buck by far. And any business you join should be product based. Otherwise you will never have success. I invite you to inquire about our new system and why our product is outstanding. If you are new or have been looking at Emerald Passport I can assist with answering all your questions. Again summer is the time to get started. Ask me about the Premier package special that will jump start your business and get you in profit very very quickly. Again remember this business is not a get rich quick program. Only with proper consistency, commitment, and effort will you see results. I hope everyone has a great summer. I just got back from 12 days in Maui and Kauai and am ready to make some money. All the best!
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#22 · Posted: 30 Jun 2007 00:21
This guy breezes through with the same sort of ad every couple of
months. Never makes any other forum contribution.
Everybody should sign up for Emerald Passport under Chris. Your
team will then dominate all the network marketing forums...
Good marketing strategy, right?
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#23 · Posted: 30 Jun 2007 05:40
Interesting concepts discussed. If you are looking for unbiased views of some products or services just "Google" them You will be able to get both sides of all stories.
by the Way Hello Everyone Was just surfing and found you site.
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#24 · Posted: 10 Jul 2007 18:09
Hi
I was a member of LLI last year. I went to 2 conferences and listened to a lot of conference calls almost nightly. It takes up a lot of time about 30 hours a week. You are basically selling a life style. I am sure some people make money, as long as you put in the effort and time but I know a lot of people just spend a lot like I did. I didn't like having to call stangers back from responding to ads.
I like my business a whole lot better. I don't call anyone, they can call me if they have questions and I would be happy to help.
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#25 · Posted: 29 Sep 2007 23:22
I was a top earner as well at LLI. I left because there was a huge lack of duplication throughout the whole company, and I was charging 13K for a "financial conference" which was not worth 100.00, let alone 13k. I was in the top 1% of the company. The problem was, I could not feel good about bringing people into a company where they made it sound so "simple" and most people made nothing.
Another problem was I lived on the phone. I had to call 150 people a week, do at least five three way calls a day. LLI people are famous for saying they work about two or three hours a day, and make 50K a month. I'll tell you right now, that is not true.
That's my two cents. I would suggest keeping your 21K and doing your research. Perhaps LLI is for you. I used to love it, and then I just couldn't feel good about what I was doing anymore. I don't regret my decision of leaving at all.
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#26 · Posted: 19 Nov 2007 20:33
One analytical tool I use: How long does it take before they mention the COST!!!
The longer it takes to answer that very simple question, the more you will have to shell out.
Liberty League takes a LOOOOOOONNNGGG time to answer that one!
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#27 · Posted: 23 Nov 2007 14:58
For the sake of record:
Many if not most LLI lead capture pages mention
a sum of around $2,000 to get the business going.
Regarding opportunity calls:
The conference calls cover a lot of territory regarding
the business model first. Its proven that when you mention
price before benefits, people have a kneejerk "no" reaction.
Its just plain dumb to set up a sales presentation otherwise.
No purchase of product is required, but its a sales
model and obviously someone has to buy the product
for someone else to make some money.
The world is teaming with individuals who want to make
a bucket full of money without spending any. This
is not the LLI model.
Most serious promoters buy the Beyond Freedom
package, presumably so they'll have some idea about
the content they are selling.
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#28 · Posted: 23 Nov 2007 15:19
Quoting: malibumentor The conference calls cover a lot of territory regarding the business model first. Its proven that when you mention price before benefits, people have a kneejerk "no" reaction. Its just plain dumb to set up a sales presentation otherwise. No purchase of product is required, but its a sales model and obviously someone has to buy the product for someone else to make some money. The world is teaming with individuals who want to make a bucket full of money without spending any. This is not the LLI model.
Well I for one, have some "knee jerk" reactions to an OPEN and HONEST presentation that puts truth in advertising before hype.
One of which is, that I at least feel the promoter is at LEAST being truthful and not wasting my time with something that I simply can NOT afford, regardless of "benefits".
Another "knee jerk reaction" is that the promoter his hiding something.
It's obvious that any business venture will require an investment, even a lemonade stand!
You won't get anyplace with such individuals anyway, why put yourself and them through a 20 minute production and back and forth phone calls?
When people find out that the product you are promoting, requires more commitment of time and money than the promoter revealed - at the very beginning, that only contributes to a negative image.
And believe you me, LLI has issues with having a negative image.
Valid or not.
Talk about "just plain dumb"!
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#29 · Posted: 23 Nov 2007 15:20
correction:
that the promoter is hiding something if he is NOT up front about the costs of time and money
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#30 · Posted: 23 Nov 2007 15:22
correction #2
why put yourself and them through a 20 minute PRESENTATION etc.
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#31 · Posted: 24 Nov 2007 15:02
ok. LLI clearly isn't right for you.
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#32 · Posted: 24 Nov 2007 16:30
I agree.
LLI is not for someone like me. Why they keep calling, and not even telling me who they are - so I can right away say "no thanks, been there done that" is beyond me.
I just wish ALL promoters would answer a few simple questions of my own so that I can make a decision right away, and save us both a lot of needless headache.
I can usually find out if something is right with me, or if I want to do further examination by getting a few questions answered myself.
LLI starts out by asking how much do you want to earn.
I counter by saying "well that depends on what I have to do and pay to earn it".
They usually wind up belittling me about needing to have bigger dreams for myself or something along that line.
Of course, I'd like to 'earn' a million bucks a day. But what you 'want' really depends on what you are willing to do to get it.
Believe it or not, there are other things I and other people would like to do with our lives than just earn money.
Not only LLI, but all promoters should be aware of this and be a little more up front about the demands a particular plan will place on the prospective customer/promoter.
It would only help save time, money and energy.
It also would help avoid accumulating dissatisfied customers, and avoid creating a negative image unnecessarily.
Apparently LLI is indeed good for some people.
I have been reading some positive comments as well as negative ones.
I am sure they don't want a lot of dissatisfied customers spreading a lot of horror stories around if they can avoid it.
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#33 · Posted: 28 Nov 2007 07:39
Hi All,
I love the open and frank discussion on this forum. I like to consider what people are saying but more importantly what they are NOT saying. Sometimes it speaks louder. I see people trying to drive home their arguement (meant in its orginal form not in its, now, negative way) but they completely lack a decent premise.
Tell me what return does not involve initial investment be it hidden or otherwise? What entrepreneur does not expect an outlay? What career path does not involve people at the top of their game? What programme is so automated that it involves no input?
These are all questions I weighed up before I joined Liberty League. In fact, when you "Google" Liberty League the 2nd site on the list is some belly aching scam site. So I read it before I parted with my money. Do you know what? Not one of them could fault the business model. And that's what it is - running your own business. It's about YOU. Yes it may seem like hard work to make phone calls (did I really type that?) to people who are asking YOU for information. I have no problem disclosing what is involved because, let's face it, we're all grown ups and should be able to stand by our decisions.
I bought the Beyonf Freedomn course and I love it. The information may not be new but to use an analogy, I'd rather have the information ready-to-use than flat-packed awating my construction. Is it worth the money? Absolutely. It's helped me in all aspects of my life. Would I love to GIVE it to other people? Without a shadow of a doubt. But as Shakespeare said "Here's the rub!" No one appreciates something they get for free or on the cheap. They'll toss it in the corner and say "Thanks" to your face. Here's my truth, I'm only at this 2 and a half months folks but already I'm gearing up to leave my day job. I'm looking forward to not having to ask my boss for the time off to go to Rome next year for the Summit. Would my conscious be sullied trying to help others do the same? Not on your nelly.
I'm in Dublin, Ireland by the way and the help and support I have gotten from the States and the UK has been phenomenal. It's good to be skeptical and I love open discussion but please validate your premeses. I look forward to helping others who want to succeed. It's a great feeling.
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#34 · Posted: 2 Dec 2007 19:11
Quoting: Howard Hughes Here's my truth, I'm only at this 2 and a half months folks but already I'm gearing up to leave my day job.
Come back in a year and with proof of your success.
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#35 · Posted: 2 Dec 2007 19:13
Quoting: Howard Hughes Is it worth the money? Absolutely. It's helped me in all aspects of my life. Would I love to GIVE it to other people? Without a shadow of a doubt. But as Shakespeare said "Here's the rub!" No one appreciates something they get for free or on the cheap.
Is that the reason for the high price, so people will 'appreciate it' more?
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#36 · Posted: 2 Dec 2007 19:33
TJamMoneyMan, first of all thanks for posting a reply. Many would not would have bothered.
To answer your question directly, yes that is why. To answer your question in a circumlocutary fashion, which would you endeavour to get the most out of (and this may seem petty but I think it re-inforces my point) a rake you bought for $14 or a rake you bought for $100?
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#37 · Posted: 6 Jan 2008 14:01
First and foremost, I have been self-employed, owning and operating a small self run contracting service for nearly 16 years (since I was 19). I invested thousands over the years, in hand tools, vehicle repairs, fuel, child care, insurances, etc.. and the list just goes on and on.
For all my honest efforts, I have sacrificed 60-80 hours per week, while being, loyal and dedicated to my work, while my family was running in a close second place. Don't get me wrong, my intent was to have more time, and more money for my wife and kids, instead I became a slave to my business. No time, no fun, little reward!
Although, I try to control the choices I make based on informed decisions, it's my philosophy anyone who seeks information of any type will get both positive and negative feedback, and in my case I learned early on, I cannot control the decisions of my employers or others. Influence them perhaps, but never control them!
Recently, (likely due to fuel costs, and inflation) I have noticed a very serious downward trend in the swimming pool construction industry.
Every client/employer/contractor, I have worked for over the years, seems generally concerned for their bottom line (profits), over my prior efforts, loyalty, and dedicated obediance, which helped them prosper. Many of these clients I helped build their business in an effort to secure my own income.
Without being pompous, I am very good at what I do, and generally averaged $75k-$100k a year before the standard $15k-$40k opporating costs (I did this for over 15 years)!
I've made a lot of Mercedes payments, and I've yet to own one. The point being, no one will hand you anything! Especially, in any standard business or job. What interests me in LLI, is the community, not the product.
Perhaps, people may have a difference of opinion, but heres my analogy of this companies potential. Should those who "see", and maintain the focus on the bottom line, which in this case is money, then the community prospers!
Isn't it obvious [the product] is an illusion, and needs to be in place for legal reasons?
Therefore what your really doing is investing/joining a community of like minded individuals, who share a common goal, and are willing to work together, investing in one another, helping each other, and creating a "mastermind atmosphere"
Unlike, the standards of normal businessmen/women, whereas, it's every man for himself, dod eat dog, and being expendible the minute a cheaper service provider treads upon your territory. I believe my sponsor wants me to do well, as will I, for those willing to join with me.
Don't get me wrong, I would never lie, or tell potential prospects I that could care less about the product, but in truth, I am joining because I want to surround myself with people who are at least trying to help each other. The product is "people". People toss $2k in, and you get a piece, creating nothing more than a circulation of money. Sure, most people don't get it, or succeed, because they are programed to accept they will never be rich, and cannot grasp the basic concept!
And yes, I believe it will require effort, and time to see results. All the complainers, likely did not believe in themselves, the community, the big picture, and as a result the dream died as did their efforts!
I was homeless a year ago with my wife and 3 kids, after all the people I worked for, trusted, and I had truly believed would always be there for me,(as I was for them) suddenly abandoned me! I felt plagued with leprosy or something.
That was a rude awakening!
Once my employers learned of my disaster (which happened largely impart from their greed driven motives) no one wanted to hire me.
After 20 years of searching for sustainment, happiness, and significane, I realized something; most people do not want to succeed, and most people spend enormous amounts of time trying to ensure no one around them does either!
After all, the age old adage, generally shows in any business model, 1 person gets rich, while the lessers stay poor.
Hey, punch a time clock if you like, or even shell out 10's of thousands starting and maintaining a business of your own, but I'll teel you straight, anybody who thinks $2k, and some monthly fees is alot, I'm not buying what their selling!
Truth be told, it would be my guess they didn't understand the power they'd been given, or worse, couldn't accept that success was in their reach!
As for me and mine, I'm taking my income taxes, jumping aboard with Liberty League International, and I am not afriad to row up stream against the natural current, because in this world those who go with the flow, wind up in the sewer!
I intend to join on Jan. 15th-18th, unless I find more than a few failures shunning LLC, or the 57 complaints with the Better Business Bureau over 36 months. Heck 20 failers to hpw many successors?
Ant feedback, welcomed and is appreciated.
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#38 · Posted: 7 Jan 2008 03:18 · Edited by: malibumentor
Since you are an experienced business owner and have realistic expectations of what building a sales distributorship requires I think you are well qualified to succeed in LLI or any direct selling program.
Success is not a result of the program or the product we choose to promote, but of who we are and what we bring to the table. LLI strips the industry back to its essentials... which some people do not like.
To face the reality at success is really determined by personal development combined with sensible and direct action is not what many people want to hear. They want to believe it is a result of jumping on start-up programs or things which are only a few dollars to get started... things which appeal to the masses. Anybody who has grown weary of the MLM plans can tell you that getting and keeping 1000 people on autoship every month is no mean feat.
This is not to say that building a business like LLI is a picnic. It takes work, but the rewards are there and are immediately tangible. They paydays can be substantial and they can come early and produce teh kind of time and money freedom that really changes lives.
Where you position your business in the marketplace is very important to determine who will be your customers and how you will locate them. A big-ticket personal development program is perhaps not best marketed with fliers at the laundrymat or safelist advertising... but you never know.
Best wishes.
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#39 · Posted: 9 Jan 2008 12:48
Thanks for your response, mailbummnetor.
While I have been searching for the right business, or fit, whereas, I can relate to the marketing plan, and "feel" comfortable the standards of the company will allow me to maintain my integrity, principles, and virtues, I am slightly overwhelmed at the moment.
I had looked into 4 potential marketing models already in place, and was confident I would find one that I liked. Only now I eliminated 2, and have 2 I really like.
One has a $500 start-up, with a monthly product commitment, and site fees etc...equal to $500 month. While the other is more up front, less per month, with some huge ticket items to contend with later.
As you mentioned above, most people seem to like the lower cost start-ups. Accept those opportunities require a huge downline, and require consistency in their ability to buy/order/purchase product(s) an make a resonable investment each month, in order for my success or residuals to increase. As is basic concept with any system.
My decision to join LLI is sound, however, my wife is leaning toward the cheaper start-up (Eniva), and thinks having less start-up, multiple products (health/nutrition, etc...) would prove better in the long run.
Therefore, I have to think Liberty League has such a great compension plan, and would be the better of the two, and in the now, would generate revenue almost immediate, whereas, the other, would likely require 2-3 months, just to see a return on the initial investment. And then demand the ability to keep the downline stimulated, and willing to invest, while they undergo the same slow start to see their returns trickle in.
Thus, my concern. What would be more logical?
Certainly, I can foresee the next phase of Liberty League being the bigger ticket items, and personally, would purchase those to support the upline, as well as enjoy the travel, and interaction with the community, and to support the business plan.
But I must wonder, do people understand, that in order to make it with LLI, you must invest, and believe by doing so, others will invest in you, thus remaining obedient to themselves, and the business model, rather than blind people with miracle potions and products. Again, I am not into pushing pills, potions, and mystery juices that the FDA won't allow you to talk about.
I think a lot of people miss the whole concept of marketing.
I don't believe either business would fail, so long as you understand the long term investment, and remember you joined for the long haul, and the residual income.
With that being said, I believe the compensation plan with LLI, is awesome, and I am confident the return will come quick. As far as the long term overview, I must wonder of the difficulty in getting the downline to spend anothe 20k per year. Naturally, if the business is working, then the money will be there, and the investment will pay for itelf.
In the other opportunity, I fear a large percentage of people will lose focus, if they do not see a return for the first few months. Yet those who remain loyal, I almost believe have the potential to produce larger profits in the long run, then LLI.
Does anyone have a take on this?
I understand, most people join a business first, then realize there's a better way, and jump ship, until they find the right fit for them. I personally, do want to do that. Once I commit, I want to stay focused and commited to that community.
I could always do one while my wife does the other, naturally. But that seems absurd, considering us working as a team, supporting one business, and staying focused would likely produce better results.
Anybody, please help me out here!
Thanks,
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#40 · Posted: 11 Jan 2008 20:57
I have some information and opinions about nutritional MLM companies in general that I would be happy to share with you outside of a public discussion forum.
I won't say that MLM or direct sales is a better business model or that you are more likely to be successful with one than with the other.
If making money is your top priority there is no doubt you can make some money with nutritional programs. I will leave it at that and if you want more information thats really more of a private conversation.
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