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loud1
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#41 · Posted: 11 Aug 2009 13:34
As of today.
Paul Birdsall the owner of Streamlinre Funnel System said in the last week we have 1000 new members. But, there are 10,000 members. Each persons rotator will go out in 7 to 21 days. For each person to get 1 new signup in the next 14 days there will have to be 642 new members per day.
It cost 39.95 per month to join and you get $15 per each member you get. So, you need 2 new members to break even.
Also, for the 10,000 members to make money on the basic membership there will need to be 20,000 new member the first month. Also, for those who bought 10,20, 40k packages to make a profit there will need to be massive enrollment.
Anyone can do the numbers.
This will be a win lose. Some will win and many will lose.happens.
The only reason I'm stay in is to se what
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#42 · Posted: 11 Aug 2009 16:59
cheers for that karen.i too joined sfs and their forum is very negative,but your story gives me hope,there is no success stories like yours in their forum.could you please pm me with your email,so we can keep in touch
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#43 · Posted: 11 Aug 2009 22:18
Just in:
Reported by Canada Revenue Agency
Tuesday, August 11, 2009
WINNIPEG -- A southern Alberta man has been fined nearly $83,000 after pleading guilty to GST fraud.
Paul Birdsall, formerly of Winnipeg, was not present in court Tuesday for sentencing. Court heard Paul Birdsall was marketing a number of "work-at-home" businesses when, in 2001, he failed to remit $54,000 in GST payments to the federal government.
Investigators discovered Paul Birdsall failed to report substantial GST receipts on income earned through several work-at-home businesses, including Horizon Career Consulting and DataMax Solutions.
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/nwsrm/cnvctns/mb/mb090715-eng.html
You be the judge!
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#44 · Posted: 12 Aug 2009 10:49
So what , that only proves that the guy knows how to make money ! As for the taxes , well , watch the news , some very important politics in USA failed to pay their taxes too .
Best luck to all !
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paolo4
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#45 · Posted: 12 Aug 2009 14:03
Hi Warranties4Less,
Can I suggest you watch my Free video course and then you are welcome to ask me anything you like.
Selling online with the help of joint ventures, at least in IM works slightly different.
If you have a product, for example: something to do with keywords, and you approach another marketer who also has a product with keywords, why should he be interested in yours?
So, approach someone who has a product with SEO or how to build a list, or how to get traffic to your site, and this will be a product they can add to theirs.
It is like a store selling fishing rods and you approach them with hooks and different size fishing lines, etc. They have something that their customers will purchase because they will need it for their fishing rods. So, their customers win because they get to shop all of it at the same store, The store wins as their sales grow and you win due to all the sales.
At the end of the day, you offer them a % of what they sell for your product and you both win, plus you get all the email addresses of those that now purchase your product and they become your client too which is better than the ex. selling to the store. In future you can sell them something else.
Obviously, you need to have the right approach and have all the info they normally expect from you, to send them in the first email.
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thriftgirl62
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#46 · Posted: 16 Aug 2009 22:42
You're exactly right...if that was the only thing wrong. Who cares? The main problem is the affiliate links only work on the Capture page - 1 TIME. In order to keep that lead, they must sign up immediately because if they don't...the lead is no longer linked to your ID, email, name, nothing.
It goes into their autoresponder which sends out an email that rotates 8-10 links,[u] none [/u]of which are yours. YOU had your chance Last time I checked they had 64 URLs with ID 481[u] but only 3 were being used, #1 #2 and #64[/u] Of those 3, the same TOP member ID's were the ones in the Rotators - they failed to cloak the Rotators even though they tried by using 3 different Domains....the truth cannot be "masked" so why even bother trying to cover it up???
-- Karen Pore...Is yours the ID we see the most? If you want to know what those member id's are just go to the sfsrevealed forum ning and check. We don't have to hide anything - we have the truth and the truth needs no defense. You send a blank email to free at 43yrs dot com and double check the facts and decide for yourself.
I knew better right from day1 - the site wide re-bill merchant "error" and all the other signs were obvious. I re-billed myself because for a $150 I wanted to see exactly how and what they could get away with -- go to thriftgirl62 on Twitter -- and you'll see why I have nothing to gain or lose here.
My biggest problem with them is they actually have the gall, the nerve to assume people are that stupid - they make FRENEMY's with every newbie they can find and rip each one off for $100-$500 which is not enough to warrant the attention needed to do anything - so they give up. That's the reason the forum was re-written and then closed off -- too many negative people talking bad...what about the truth? The locked everyone out - but now they must realize all that does is lock themselves in with no escape door.
The playing field is level now...Shakley is the ONLY reason any refunds went out -- BEST ADVICE: Know the difference between Outside Perception and Inside Reality. Nothing is ever what it seems but Everything is Always What It Is. Listen to your 6th Sense.... sounds simple but that's Perception. Simple is not the same as Easy..that is the inside Reality ...and always listen to your elders 60+ the priceless knowledge you can't buy. . . .that's the only secret you need!!
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#47 · Posted: 17 Aug 2009 22:05
A rich man got a tax bill from the past when he was just working on making a come up. No need to go to court when you plan on paying, court is a formality.
So I wouldn't judge SFS by that incident. SFS is now starting to get going so we will see what happens.
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#48 · Posted: 18 Aug 2009 12:05
Karen,
I think it is agreed that doing something is better than doing nothing at all. The system is relatively cheap (initially that is) and there seems to be a structured timeline for possible results. That's a couple of the reasons i'm hopeful about this venture. HOWEVER, I need to be honest, I am having my doubts since all the vendor problems have come up. Commissions are to be paid this week but I have not seen any changes or updates in the backoffice or paypal. seems like the runaround. You must be able to understand my sentiment.
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#49 · Posted: 21 Aug 2009 07:19
You may as well want to consider generating leads by yourself, working at it.
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thriftgirl62
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#50 · Posted: 21 Aug 2009 08:24 · Edited by: thriftgirl62
It really is true -"The Eyes cannot SEE what the Mind cannot Comprehend."
Does anyone know how Affiliate Links work? Everyone has a Landing Page with an Affiliate Link. When you advertise that page, you get LEADS that opt-in for more information because that person CLICKED your Affiliate Link.
It's up to YOU if you don't mind if your Affiliate ID does NOT remain with the LEAD you just generated from your Landing page that has your Affiliate ID on it....with 1 exception...
YOUR LEAD must click and then SIGN UP as a PAID MEMBER
ONCE they close the page and just want more information, the LEAD goes to the SFS Funnel and YOU are not supposed to KNOW you have just DONATED your Lead because he didn't join immediately.
ANYONE UNDERSTAND THAT? TAXES, who CARES??? VLOG? WHO CARES? 1 Rotator has 2 Member ID's rotating - JUST #102 AND #103 -- that's it. Is the light coming through the window yet???
EVERYONE who promoted their pages during the PRELAUNCH has NOBODY to call a LEAD....they are in the SFS Funnel and YOUR Leads go to a Rotator that DOES NOT include YOUR Member ID..that's one bold move...the least they could do was include your Member Id on the Rotator going to YOUR LEAD...but no...they don't.
Could someone FIND a PROGRAMMER or Software Developer to confirm this information -- THIS IS GETTING URGENT SINCE THEIR
TARGET AUDIENCE IS RETIRED ELDERLY FOLKS AND NEWBIES.
Find me @thriftgirl62 on Twitter
if you want to know WHO I am.
I don't have any reason to single this company out...but when they go after the ELDERLY, that's way over the line. ....it's unforgivable to even think about...CAN ANYONE COMPREHEND THAT???? YET?
What a way to live during the Golden Years.. .FREIND or FRENEMY?
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FreeCashMan
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#51 · Posted: 21 Aug 2009 11:33
Elderly people are looking to make additional income as well, regardless of if SFS is the answer. Let's not be naive about people needing to earn money.
The question is has anyone gotten any sales from the leads, not from buying more lead packages, but the regular $39 price.
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thriftgirl62
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#52 · Posted: 21 Aug 2009 12:06 · Edited by: thriftgirl62
NO LEAD PACKAGES ARE INVOLVED HERE.. THIS IS .JUST THE BASIC 39.96 AND YOU RECRUIT YOUR OWN MEMBERS...FROM YOUR OWN LEADS.. AFTER YOU PAY $9.99 TO JOIN...YOU DO GET THE $9 BACK
BUT NOT THE MEMBER THAT PAID THE $9 TO JOIN AS YOUR MEMBER..THAT GUY IS GONE TOO!!?
Please explain what part you don't understand.
It's up to YOU if you don't mind if your Affiliate ID does NOT remain with the LEAD you just generated from your Landing page that has your Affiliate ID on it....with 1 exception...
YOUR LEAD must click and then SIGN UP as a PAID MEMBER
ONCE they close the page and just want more information, the LEAD goes to the SFS Funnel and YOU are NOT supposed to KNOW you have just DONATED your Lead because he didn't join immediately.
Based on the above facts, do you think anyone has made any
money promoting the SFS System? I don't see how that's
possible even if YOUR LEAD does convert IMMEDIATELY....the
SAME above facts apply to your downline...YOU don't have
any chance with the deck stacked against you.
Don't tell me if you ask your buddy in another city to CLICK
your link and ask for more information just so you can SEE if
YOU will be the one to nurture your OWN LEAD is WRONG....
is THAT ENTRAPMENT? Who ARE You???
Elderly people are looking for legitimate ways to make money.
How many Elderly people would figure this scheme out??
I said, and I repeat WITHOUT HIDING, "How DARE you
target the ELDERLY with ANY Rip Off Scheme, pretending it's
going to make money when you KNOW it will NOT"
EXPLAIN HOW THIS MAKES MONEY...Please, prove me wrong.
I don't believe in miracles but if you Can you perform one,
I'll change my mind..Can you?? Please do.
Follow Me @thriftgirl62
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thriftgirl62
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#53 · Posted: 21 Aug 2009 12:41 · Edited by: thriftgirl62
If anyone cares to see how a ROTATOR really works, sign up
for your OWN FREE ROTATOR at hitspinner dot com
hitspinner dot com/rotator.php?uid=390&rid=54
This "Rotator" goes to member ID 102 and 103 and that's IT,
so much for the 25 links that go to 10,000 double Opt in Leads
every month...they might remove this "Rotator" - it used to
be 53 but they changed it to 54... Brilliantly done guys...
Maybe they figure nobody will believe me...guess again.. I
don't give up when I know I'm fighting for right.
Check it out for yourself...ASK someone to Click on your
own linK and see what that person gets...notthing I said
cannot be verified yourself. . . . say it ain't so. Why does
it always Rain on me?
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#54 · Posted: 21 Aug 2009 12:45
How are u determining that this is a rotator link that is being used to send to the leads, and not just a couple members rotator link?
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thriftgirl62
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#55 · Posted: 21 Aug 2009 15:26
You can check it out yourself...click on someone's link and
follow it through. They tried to mask the redirect going
from Domain Forwarders - to that Rotator.
Check it out yourself. #102 and #103 are the top
members...could be Paul's wife Jackie and the
one on the blogs...telling tall tales -- not even good
ones either.
It's better if you discover this kind of thing on your
own anyway ...then you can warn people or at least
make sure they know why they have no personal
members in their downlines...
This is so UNREAL and SHOCKING that a lot of people
focus on the TAX story --- I wish that WAS it..so what?
The rest is hard to comprehend for most people -- it's
just too --I don't even have the right words to describe
the nerve these people have -- or they are really dumb
or suffering from substance abuse...
it's not something anyone does in their right mind unless
nobody ever checked before -- maybe this is not the first
time and they always got away before -- who knows?
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WARRANTIES4LESS
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#56 · Posted: 22 Aug 2009 18:45
Interesting,
Well, for what it is worth, I got my refund from first merchant that locked up and froze accounts, and more common problem than ever before with online companies.
I also received first commission, so once this merchant issue was resolved, it is now looking for more positive, but, and I do mean BUT, I have not heard anyone who has gotten leads from system yet. Paul may have mentioned people were getting results, but I prefer to believe real people like those who post here. Anyone see even one sale from system yet, not your own efforts like was the case with my commissions.
Success to all,
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thriftgirl62
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#57 · Posted: 24 Aug 2009 00:16 · Edited by: thriftgirl62
Nobody has to take anyone's word for what's going on.
Since you did receive a refund from the first merchant, it
means you are one of the Key people on their locked down
forum where every comment used to be deleted or rewritten.
You are their spokesperson so everyone will know refunds
have been processed. You are not allowed to contact anyone
else outside the forum....if you are, do that and see what you
find out.
Now comments are either not posted or posted depending on
the content. Check the knowledgebase...How do you pay
commission..."
The answer was taken Word for Word from Magnetic Sponsoring.
Do you know of a double-layer that makes sure SFS affiliates get
credit for all the products they sell? What products?
This is all public information just like the WHOIS Domain
Registrations - check for yourself before they go private
with them...
BTW - The REAL Plot thickens as the big SELLING point that made people TRY this even though they knew better was, what else? The elusive WEB 3.0 -- There is no such thing as anyone being the founder of Web 3.0 as Paul Birdsall now claims to be...every email is signed that way now.
WEB 3.0 is what Marketers call what is really just the 3rd stage the Semantic Web is in. Each stage is about 10 years long -- yes, the second stage is ending and the 3rd started its beginning back in 2007 - hashtags, tags, and that sort of thing marks the 3rd stage...it's a SMART Web and Semantic refers to meaningful - information overload will be replaced by relevant, useful information that matters - to everyone, all industry, advertising, marketing, etc.. not just the user. It's complicated but in a nutshell this "Web 3.0" was the future of the Semantic Web 10 years ago...
and that has not even been addressed by this founder of Web 3.0, Paul Birdsall. Can't wait for that!!
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#58 · Posted: 24 Aug 2009 04:30
thriftgirl62: ID's rotating - JUST #102 AND #103 -- that's it.
Interesting, ID 103 is Karl Airey of Alberta Canada, front line in Paul Birdsall's Shacklee business I wonder who id 102 belongs to, Chris Pearson perhaps?
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#59 · Posted: 2 Sep 2009 06:13
This is interesting, "Winnipeg, July 15, 2009 ... Paul Birdsall, of Cochrane, Alberta, formerly of Winnipeg, Manitoba, has been sentenced in the Provincial Court of Manitoba after pleading guilty to charges of GST fraud. He was fined $82,866 read more at http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/nwsrm/cnvctns/mb/mb090715-eng.html
I guess he has to make the money back some how right?
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#60 · Posted: 2 Sep 2009 06:54 · Edited by: thriftgirl62
That was my first thought too when the story broke. Even more interesting is most people ignored that tidbit of information. It certainly shows the kind of character, or lack thereof, this Poster Boy for Useless People has.
Can you find out if he paid his tax bill? On July 15th he was attending a Shaklee Convention in
St Louis under the cover of Streamline Funnel System Business....which is what he claimed the trip was for right after the SFS launch fiasco turned worse daily.
He took a lot of critisism for the timing of that trip and the late VLOGS. This self-proclaimed WEB 3.0 Wonder Boy says they didn't have the technology to upload the latest SFS Vlog from St Louis. That was real funny! If he was out somewhere like Lumby, Alberta
then maybe that lie would fly...but St Louis??
Does anyone know where Lumby is? Anyone? Just curious.
Now he's got himself in deep-crapola with the CEO of Shaklee. Paul the name dropper claims he's an invited guest at the new CEO's home plus some other Shaklee claims made in the teleseminars for his NEW Go-Green Shaklee Funnel System ... is this guy on drugs or does he tip the bottle too often???
REFUNDS OR CANCELLATIONS -- HERE'S THE SCOOP!
Send your request by email to: [email protected]
Include credit card name, date billed, amount, description, reason for cancellation, reason you believe you are due a refund.
George is the only one there with any sense. He will make sure your money is refunded -- that's good even if the reason is to shut everyone up. So be it. Get your Refunds today - Commission owed ...might as well add that on too.
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