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#161 · Posted: 1 May 2009 01:08
HI all,
I'm new here. I just found you today and what an eye opener. You asked for feedback from someone in the know and I guess that's me.
I have been with Intelatrader for a few months. They seem to be struggling now, so thought I would wander the net for some answers and found this site. I can see you know no more than I do about what is really going on. I will share with you what I do know.
So, this is what is happening. After talking to customer service I am finding out that the mlm part of the business is silent. Customer service said that Madau (sp?) or Anthony isn't communicating with anyone. Meaning, no one seems to know what is going on. There were quite a lot of promises made, as far as freebies, etc. as you've stated above. From what I am gathering, I think Intelatrader changed its mind on offering all of these unrelated products. The real product is the Forex software. My sense is that they are going through some transition and will hopefully make it through. Something must have really gone wrong or ???? to have them just drop all of the promises in a month.
I just read about Felice here (guess he has other names, too). Wow, how interesting. First he comes on strong promoting all of the freebies, now nothing. Looks like he is starting his own company, vvv. Now it makes sense. Intelatrader probably turned him away, for some reason and he gets the bright idea of starting his own company. How he put this together so fast, I have no idea. I don't know if he is honest or not, but I looked up vvv and it looks interesting. I may do it for the gas and grocery coupons alone. I don't know who is really behind it, as there aren't any names on the site, value, value, value. How strange.
btw, I demoed the Intelatrader Complete for a month. Yes, I bought the virtual desktop. My computer kept kicking it out of my server. So frustrating. It worked well, so I decided to go virtual and pay for it. Now I am live trading and am very pleased. Very easy to use. I am a beginner and really don't have to know much at all about the forex market. I have been averaging about 3-4 %. The two Diamonds(owners) are the brains behind the software. Mike Jr. has been especially helpful in getting me up and going , but they both are overworked and have a lot to organize and get running before this company will take off.
The company supposed to be coming out with the Fx Anagnorisis, like weeks ago, and customer service said problems with it keep occuring. The price point will be lower and returns better, so I am looking forward to trying it. They never should have mentioned it before testing it out for a month or so. The Intel. complete is a great product but expensive. I really hope that the fx anagn. is as good or better.
Well, that's what I know. Any other people out there in the know??
Ren
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#162 · Posted: 1 May 2009 20:46
Thanks Ren for posting. Glad to see someone else come in here and try to clear a few things up.
As you had read, I felt from the start there was a problem with the RX program and the lack of providing accurate details and offering the ridicules $100,000.00 Term Insurance for Free plus the physical. Seems someone was trying to convince folks that Intelatrader had some big financial backing that was footing the bill for it. I also debated the use of the home computer on a non virtual server, stating right from the website that there will be problems, but once again, individual was going to try and convince people that I didn't have a clue.
This We know for sure, as good as the program may be, and it's good to hear that it actually is performing well, that with the state of the economy, it's going to be a hard sell for $4000.00. We need to have honest people come out, who actually uses the demo program to give their evaluation. But with so many MLMers out there just interested in the almighty dollar will come out and lie about it. There is one good thing about the program, it's free to use the demo for an unlimited amount of time, so folks will just have to give it a run. Another good point is that Mike and Mike Jr are having training sessions on how to use the program. That's a good thing for sure. They aren't just dumping it on folks to figure it out for themselves.
At least now we know, that when promoting Intelatrader, we should dump all the references to the insurance at least. They'll probably still give away the RX Card, but not promote it as a way to earn an income from it. As far as I was concerned they where not up front about that part of the program as you should have read in my previous postings. But someone else will disagree with that point. But he probably had his physical by now and his policy in hand......
Oh one more thing, we where also told that the Diamonds where affiliates and not owners, as I thought they where.
I would stay clear of the VVV sight. Just another scam from one of the other folks who added all the nonsense programs onto Intelatrader. These clowns are going around with their useless list of names and adding them to the mailing list for whatever new scam they want to start up or join..........
Once again thanks for the post
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#163 · Posted: 2 May 2009 01:49
USA,
From what I know, the Diamonds own the software and Madau and Anthony are part of the Intelatrader Company. Whether M & A own Intelatrader, I don't know. Maybe I'll ask Krystal (customer service). She's easier to get ahold of. Actually, I have so many questions, I wish they would do a question and answer conference, but maybe it would put them on the spot too much!!!
All I can say is that they are working very hard to get the Anagnorisis out and don't seem to have any time left over to inform us affiliates as to what is really going on... That's why I said they are in transition.
Maybe I'll open up another thread on Intelatrader, so if anyone else drops in here that knows something they can contribute.
As far as VVV is concerned, I am disappointed that it may turn out to be a scam. It seems like such a good program. Offering people things they may want at a discount and some great freebies. What a disapointment that the people who are putting it together have some of the worst reputations inthe mlm business. Actually I don't know who the others at the top are. No one is listed on the website. Probably for good reason. It should be interesting to follow vvv and see what transpires.
I'm now wondering if Intelatrader actually let Felice go, along with all of his programs when they found out about his checkered past. Whether the things said about Felice are true or not, they probably didn't want to be associated with his bad name. I'm just speculating here.
Ren
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#164 · Posted: 2 May 2009 02:47
As fas I know, Anthony came over from WFL along with Felice (Phil) and Phil is the one sending message out from WFL site about the VVV program. If you look closely at some of the goodies he is throwing in, like RX Card, and Insurance. Same garbage he did with Intelatrader. Either Anthony or Felice transferred database from WFL over to Intelatrader.
There was another thread going on at another site about Intelatrader but that came to a dead end. No one else wanted to speak up. I debated same issues there as I did here with the same person here, but he was using another name.
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#165 · Posted: 2 May 2009 14:00
Interesting,
Here is a new twist, I have someone from RXCut deal calling and wanting my to register for their program, so that makes me think they don't have any integrity given they had to have taken my name from IntelaTrader? Like I said, I was not interested in RX deal for everyone is offering it, and besides, I don't need it.
As for who is who, it is still a mystery. George Madou was suppose to be involved in the WFL rebirth, which appeared to by IntelaTrader, but I emailed him personally and he never answered, so again, dead end. As to Brian Anthony, he appears to be involved, but he wouldn't answer at what level. Obviously, he had access to WFL database for he answered emails to WFL support, as well as with regards to setting up insurance with IntelaTrader.
As to ValueValueValue, like I suspected, this is another PP deal and he now states he is cofounder, but no word on who the other may founder may be. Seems he goes to different companies selling his start up list over and over along with software which is all the same between all three programs. He somehow brings on companies that are not MLM savy and I am certain he is getting paid up front, and that is why he always seems to disappear after a couple months, as he did with WFL and IntelaTrader, so I won't speculate on why for I don't really care. I was paid every dime earned with WFL, plus warranty paid a claim I was able to verify, so I have only one complaint about them, management sucked from start to end.
I did go so far as to register for VVV to research it, and I even took advantage of the Cash Gift deal and did check out O'Keefe and company, and it is solid, but more surprising, the prices really are the best I could find on or off the internet. I have seen dozens of these online mall type deals, or memberships, and none were ever that impressive when it came to prices. Well, this one is the real deal. I checked a dozen items which I was somewhate familiar with prices since I had made recent purchases, so I targeted these items. In every case, prices were much less using gift dollars, so no matter who owns the VVV deal, all I can verify to date is that cash gift card is packed with Value.
Now when someone finds out who is behind it all, let us know. lol Brian Anthony did not answer, and he is connected with all three, so maybe he is founder, I don't know, but in doing a search on him, nothing comes up at all, so who knows, it may be another alias of PP. lol I don't like being in the dark any more than the next person when it comes to who is running show, but it remains a mystery as of today.
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#166 · Posted: 2 May 2009 14:42
Mike,
This whole thing with vvv is so clandestine... So much secrecy. But, I understand why, with Phil's reputation. VVV is really the no name business. No names on the website. No names on the emails. Amazing why more people on the conference calls don't ask who is behind it. They don't even ask what his name is !!!
Anyway, I'll start a thread on VVV , so we can keep everyone informed. Maybe on Intelatrader also. Please respond when I do, so we can keep it active. Glad I found you guys and this great forum!!
Now, back to WFL. Felice has it on his VVV website and is talking about it in his conference calls. He makes it sound like it is still active and doing business as usual. Why would he be doing that when you say it is dead. Maybe the mlm part is dead, but the actualy company is still selling their warranties. Do you know??
Also, I mentioned WFL, to the used car dealer I just bought a car from. He said he used to sell them from a few other companies and found when people started to make claims, the warranty companies denied them. He said you have to be very careful and read the fine print. He said that all of the companies he dealt with have in fine print that the moving parts of the engine and transmission must be broken to get paid onthe claim. That normal age and wear and tear won't be honored. He said that considering 99% of the cars that the engine and trans. go out are from age, not broken parts, it's a very bad deal. He said the people who bought the warranties from him were very angry with him, cause they paid $2000 for them and he won't sell them anymore because of the above.
Mike, can you tell me the experience you have and others that you know have had with wfl paying these types of claims? What does their fine print say? I need a warranty, but don't want to get it if it only covers broken moving parts. Do you realize that with VVV you can get one for $500 (I think). That's an incredible price if it's true. But, if it's a bad deal, just of the moving parts clause I'm not going to get one.
Thanks,
Ren
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#167 · Posted: 2 May 2009 16:08
Hi Ren,
Agreed, the mystery does no one any good, but like we know, PP has had more than a few detractors over the years, but none more so than Bob Butass. lol I don't know how long you have been in the industry, but I have seen it all, and read it all, and believe only what I can verify personally, so up until recently, I had no proof he was a BS scammer.
As to WFL, not that they are dead, just dead due to recession is my guess. I cannot say they are selling warranties through site or not, but it is still up as you know. I still get people registering, but not purchasing, so I cannot personally say where it stands. What was strange is when George Madou was to have taken over, and it never happened?
I don't like to speculate on who is running WFL at this time, so perhaps the back office of Warranty Solutions is handling it? As to claims, I only know of one I can verify, but I would imagine it would be all over the net if someone was not happy. Just go to ripoff report and you will see many such complaints against other companies, and having been in industry years ago, I know how many went under, so you have to be careful. I checked out the actual warranty company and they had no complaints, that is all I know. This may have changed since I last looked, but again, it would be all over the net if someone was denied claim.
I never had a problem, nor did anyone I know. The one issue where it was determined a person put warranty on a vehicle which had a knock which precluded approval, they got full refund, so those are the only two I can verify as to integrity of company. Sure would be nice if they announced something about WFL status, for no one will promote it under these circumstances, and it is ashame how it was mismanaged from start. I am just thankful everyone got paid commissions owed to them to my knowledge, not always the case with many MLM deals. lol
I have warranty on my car, and it is pretty clear what is covered, but this was for high mileage cars, so only drive train warranties are offered for this category of vehicle which was a good market niche in my experience. It depends on your vehicle which warranty is best, and that was what I was hoping for, to see more variable plans as was first announced back last year. As to VVV, I don't know which one they are going to be offering, but for $500., that is a steal if it is same one I paid $1,500. for.
Like I mentioned before, I am familiar with extended warranties as I owned an independent fleet lease company years ago, and I sold warranties, and most of the companies I sold for, including GE which are no longer in business of warranties either. Many come and go, so I cannot comment on VVV deal yet, but it would make sense it was the same one WFL is selling. This was engine and transmission only, anything lubricated, so as example, rods, bearings, pistons, valves, timing chains, heads and anything in transmission as example.
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#168 · Posted: 2 May 2009 22:26 · Edited by: USA1950
WARRANTIES4LESS: Here is a new twist, I have someone from RXCut deal calling and wanting my to register for their program, so that makes me think they don't have any integrity given they had to have taken my name from IntelaTrader?
Now Mike, how do you think RC Cut got your information from Intelatrader? You where not registered as an affiliate for the program with them. The only way they got your info was that Intelatrader give it to them. Be willing to bet Phil or Anthony cut a deal with RX to give them the WFL list of names, so if you do sign up they will making something from it....... But like you said, you don't need it...... Keep in mind also, Phil is promoting RX deal with VVV program. RX Cut could have gotten your name from WFL and not Intelatrader..... Once again the Phil factor........
As far as WFL goes, there is only one person accountable to the affiliates right now.. The person that people had nothing but high praises for. The person was to make WFL a multimillion dollar company. The very person that no can reach, MR SCOTT HIRSCH.......
Hey Mike, join the Donald Trump Network yet, it's in pre-launch ? Now there's a household name. Don't have to do any searching on him now.........
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#169 · Posted: 2 May 2009 23:59
Mike,
Thanks for the info. Do you know if the WFL warranty only covers broken moving engine and trans parts, like that used car person told me about? Is there a customer service # at WFL that would be able to answer that if you don't know?
USA,
What is the difference between rx cut and rx deal?
ARe you both affiliates of Intelatrader? or ? How did you find out about Intelatrader? Have you both demoed the Intel. Complete? If yes, how is it going for you?
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#170 · Posted: 3 May 2009 10:14
For me whoever it was at WFL that gave Intelatrader the affiliate database, that is how I found out about Intelatrader. I am not an experienced FX Trader, just read a few things about it. Just yesterday I sat down and listened to a training session that Intelatrader had. Will need to go thru a couple more of them.
RX Cut is the company that Intelatrader or probably Phil had set up, to distribute free RX cards. Personally I think Phil was going to run a scam with it. But I won't get into that discussion again.
Ren, just so you know I am not an expert in MLM. I also didn't have years of experience in the auto industry, or the insurance industry and haven't been a FX Trader for years. I'm just an ordinary person, who by the way retired from the Air Force after 21 years and don't take any BS from people.
Ren, here is what was covered by the WFL Warranty
Engine: All internally lubricated parts of engine, including: pistons, piston rings, piston pins, crankshaft and main bearings, connecting rods and rod bearings, camshaft bearings, timing chain and timing gears, intake and exhaust valves, valve springs, guides, oil pump, push rods, rocker arms, hydraulic lifters and rocker arm shafts. The engine block and cylinder heads are also covered if mechanical failure was caused by the above listed parts. ( Does not include any other than what is supplied in Long Block Assembly) Some vehicles may have a surcharge
Transmission: All internally lubricated parts of the automatic/standard transmissions, including: torque converter, oil pump, valve body, governor, bands, drums, planetaries, sun gear and shell, sprag(s), bearings and related bushings. Seals and Gaskets are replaced only as part of repair or replacement of the above covered
components.[i][/i]
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#171 · Posted: 3 May 2009 19:07
USA,
Thanks for the info....
All I know is that when Felice was the master distributor, he was mentioning in their conference calls that in a short while 10,000 people were going to be put into everyone's power leg. Sure enough they showed up a few weeks later. He mentioned in a call that they were from other businesss he is in. I thought that they each signed up individually with whatever company they were with and then were placed all at one time into the line up. So, did you come in that way? Then you started to get emails from Intelatrader to join conference calls and try the software??? How did it work?
If it worked that way, I am thinking that most of the people in the power leg might not even know what happened. How did you actually sign up for Intelatrader? I'm very curious how this transpired. Then after the 10,000 were placed, Felice mentioned that 30,000 more were going to be placed after the fx anagnorisis comes out. Guess he's still waiting for that to happen, but is't their master distributor anymore, so I don't know what's going to happen with this company in the future and it's mlm arm.
So, as you can see this is what Felice (Phil) arranged, but it could have also been arranged by Anthony and Madau. That was never stated on the calls. Felice was the only one on the calls. This was in late Jan/Feb I think.
Hope all of that made sense.
Ren
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#172 · Posted: 3 May 2009 20:00
Ren
Either Phil or Anthony brought the WFL affiliate list over to Intelatrader. Out of the blue I got an email from Intelatrader with my member ID and it had Phil as my sponsor. I know from my upline at WFL that they where not informed of this move and where very upset with it. They had brought in over 4,000 affiliates and WFL just gave their info away to Intelatrader, most likely under Phils' name.
In regards to Madau, he had previous dealings with Phil. Phil sponsored him into a Travel Agent business. As far as I'm concerned these guys are like rat packs. They stick together. Go from one program to the next. Can't be trusted.
WARRANTIES4LESS: I did go so far as to register for VVV to research it, and I even took advantage of the Cash Gift deal and did check out O'Keefe and company, and it is solid
Doesn't matter how O'Keefe and Company checks out. Phil is involved with it, promoting additional garbage to get people to sign up. Just as he did with Intelatrader. Folks could have checked on the two Diamonds(owners) and found them to be on the up and up, but when all the additional nonsense got added on with Phils' help, it sort of makes them look bad and makes it harder for them to market their program.
I'm happy to see that there hasn't been anymore emails coming out regarding the RX Card and Insurance. The Diamonds should just drop it.
I'm wondering if Phil help put together their presentation. They make mention of affiliates making thousands of dollars already. This can't be possible because there is no retail site to sell it with. An affiliate can only purchase the program for them self and that's it. As soon as someone goes to your site and signs up they are automatically an affiliate and when they make a purchase it is not a sale for you. You only make commission on your purchase and on a retail sale.......
It's a wait and see right now. But in any case, the Intelatrader program is going to be a hard sell with this economy and it's $4000.00 price tag.
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#173 · Posted: 3 May 2009 20:13
Ren
This is a part of the 1st email I got from Intelatrader
WFL & IntelaTrader complete National MERGE - FREE RxCard "The Big Picture"
After 6 months the merge is finally complete... IntelaTrader another Terra Trust Company, has Purchased WFL with over 10,000 Affiliates... It will also complete a 2nd Merge with 27,000 Affiliates within the next 3 weeks...[/i]
Expected To Sign Up FIVE MILLION Health Benefit Clients... by making the best HEALTH CARE BENEFIT PLAN AVAILABLE for $24.95 A MONTH... ONLY TO IntelaTrader Affiliates... TO BECOME AN INTELATRADER AFFILIATE IT IS 100% FREE...[i]
It also included my new member ID and password......
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#174 · Posted: 3 May 2009 20:19
HI
thanks for all the info... Now it makes more sense. That's amazing that Felice didn't ask his downline in wfl who wanted to go over to Intelatrader or more so that Intelatrader and wfl were merging. So much secrecy. Well wfl isn't with Intelatrader now, to the best of my knowledge. But, Felice says it's still active. So confusing!!
Also, you are quite right about the Intelatrader Complete at $5000 being too expensive. They have been working on the fx anagnorisis for months, which will sell for about $1200 and bring in much better returns, supposedly. I got the Intelatrader Complete, because there were promises of a greater commission on sales. Those with the Intel. complete will get the Fx Anag. at no extra charge.
Btw, I'm trying to figure out how to use this forum. You have links under your signature line in some posts, but not in the above posts. How did you take them out? I thought once added in your profile, they will always show.
Ren
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#175 · Posted: 3 May 2009 23:25
USA1950: Hey Mike, join the Donald Trump Network yet, it's in pre-launch ? Now there's a household name. Don't have to do any searching on him now.........
Funny,
Want to hear a Trump story, Marla Maples, one of Trumps X wives was in my downline at one time and I met Trump, and I know he has been aware of MLM for decades, but never involved, so I suspect Marla was the one who introduced him to it since her parents were top producers in industry, so he surely got educated on MLM back early 90's from Marla. The rumors of him stating if he had to do it all over again on Tonight Show, he supposedly said he would do MLM, but to my knowledge, these were false rumors. lol
What are you wasting your time for on these forums, especially with MLM. It is near impossible for anyone to succeed who is just starting out. Most full timers are also finding the recession is killing most MLM deals due to the attrition levels being higher than anytime in history. The nutrition industry is suffering more than most due to recession.
Personally, I don't care who Trump is, his name is not going to make people successful, especially in MLM, and as for Ideal Health, it is fact that so called custom nutritional plan is BS. First, several companies have tried this, and none have been that successful, so already the BS is spreading that this is the first time custom testing for vitamin pills for each person is being promoted. Vitamins are a waste of money for most if you know anything about nutrition, so all the hype in the world is not going to change that. Once all these people find out that the custom pills are not making them feel any better, and at a minumum of $70. per month autoship, most will drop out in three months time if they are not making any money, and a unilevel means people have to sell, and we all know most in MLM can't sell a lick. lol
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#176 · Posted: 6 May 2009 02:06
Hi
I actually think that The Trump Network may turn out to be good. With all of the advertising it will get, and the leads it will produce may help the the people trying to build their business. In this case, the product may not matter, but it won't have a large customer base. Most of the people getting the products will probably be affiliates. That could present a problem. Time will tell.
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#177 · Posted: 6 May 2009 11:25
rennn: I actually think that The Trump Network may turn out to be good. With all of the advertising it will get, and the leads it will produce may help the the people trying to build their business. In this case, the product may not matter, but it won't have a large customer base. Most of the people getting the products will probably be affiliates. That could present a problem. Time will tell.
Agreed,
Trump name will attract many more people than any no name MLM out there to start, I agree, but the product still has to hold its own, and if you keep up with the nutritional industry, you would know the FDA has been attacking it for years, and sadly, they are making progress to ban most which make any claims of value not backed by science.
Also sad to say, most nutritional products are not backed by independent long term blind test studies, so as I see it, any nutritional company is a target, even one with Trump's name attached to it. If you research the so called designer nutritional programs out there, those who state they will take a blood test, hair sample, urine, saliva, etc, and you send it in, and they will tell you what you need is BS. So Trump's company will most certainly be attacked by everyone when it launched in my opinion, but regardless, it will give a shot in the arm to the overall MLM industry.
Visit this site to learn more about nutritional health diagnostics.
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/tests.html
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#178 · Posted: 12 May 2009 15:04
I watch this topic becuz a mentor of mine started the topic, and has since disappeared.
He tried to get me in on WFL with the usual baseless promises.
He has since disappeared from this forum - thank GOD!
NUTRITIONAL PRODUCTS ARE DUBIOUS AT BEST!
NOTHING proven.
Dangerous scam garbage at worst.
The BEST nutritional 'product' is to EAT LESS.
(don't believe me - do a google search of low calorie healthy diets and the effects on longevity)
A low calorie (dependenent on your activity level) NATURAL diet - plenty of fruits, vegetables and other WHOLE foods, minimally or unprocessed, that is nutritionally sound, is what mother nature wants for you.
But there's no profit in that!
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#179 · Posted: 12 May 2009 19:17
To a point there is some truth to what your saying. But !!! I know first hand that Doctors will sometimes recommend that you take a multivitamin. mine suggest I take 50+ for men and I have to have a B12 shot once a month.
Now in regards to no profit in eating the right foods. Been shopping lately. Most of the products they want you to eat are the most expensive. Don't hardly think that the food markets aren't making money. And the funny part about it is, you don't usually find coupons for these items.
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#180 · Posted: 12 May 2009 21:28 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
true all that.
i think if any supp. is worth a damn, it SHOULD be vitamins and minerals etc, but i do remember seeing where those who took the vitamins were more likely for to DIE from a particular cancer - prostate i think it was.
Yes, food PRODUCTS have a profit margin, while organic grown stuff seems to be too too expensive.
and YES!!
the coupons seem to always be for those high profit food PRODUCTS!
mostly JUNK 'food' products too!
good old natural FOOD however, rarely so it seems.
i mean doesn't it make sense?
the food we need GROWS right here on the planet we were created on!
(or tries to run/swim/fly away from us whenever it can!)
i'll take a chance and experiment with the vitamins and sensible supplements also.
but u really can't keep that up unless u have MONEY to spend on such supps in the first place.
should only the well heeled get to live long and prosper?
i did see a documentary hosted by Alan Alda about how the ONLY dietary practice that showed without a doubt a longevity advantage was eating LESS calories on a nutritionally balanced natural food diet:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=longevity+eat+less+alan+alda&btnG=Google+Search& aq=f&oq=
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