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Jake
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#81 · Posted: 25 Aug 2008 14:33
Hey everyone. I can say that all the trial offers you must complete to get into the system may be a little discouraging. Especially for someone who really isn't looking to put forth much work. I think this is good in a sense that we don't get as many dead beats. I look forward to see what comes of this program. It looks promising to myself. And if it doesn't work out in a few months, at least I had ZERO OUT OF POCKET COSTS! I have just completed phase two doing the 5.0 credits and have been told that I would be receiving my rebate next week. Also, the support is incredible. I have so many questions as a newbie to the program.
To everyone out there trying to make money, my best wishes.
Jake
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judyp
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#82 · Posted: 25 Aug 2008 14:40
I wouldn't call it stealing, it's simply using a system that works and rearranging it.
He could have at least used a different site for his Step 1 instead of doublecash.zeropricetags.
HOWEVER, Zero2Riches isn't using them anymore! We've switched back to the much easier cash.zeropricetags, which is only 1 credit to complete.
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judyp
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#83 · Posted: 25 Aug 2008 14:44
The bottom line is, step 1 of zero2riches is where the money is.
I kind of have to disagree with you there, Jaime. While it's very tempting to just push Step 1 and keep all the money, getting into the next steps AND encouraging your referrals to do the same is going to make us all a lot more money. And believe me, you don't want to rely on getting people to sign up for offers forever. It wears thin after awhile.
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Silverstone
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#84 · Posted: 25 Aug 2008 22:03
judyp: And believe me, you don't want to rely on getting people to sign up for offers forever. It wears thin after awhile.
I hear ya Judy... but the money there is real, and it's quick too. I'm still looking forward to taking it to the next level!
Jaime
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glitch00
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#85 · Posted: 25 Aug 2008 22:42
Tom is gone alright.
"judyp": And believe me, you don't want to rely on getting people to sign up for offers forever. It wears thin after awhile.
That's where the multiple streams of income thing kinda starts to play out. It's all about joining the programs that you see works for you and advertising those programs to people you think are suitable for them.
I don't even think there should be any form of competition necessary where in fact you can join them all and promote them all. It just all depends on how much time you have for it.
Different communities, different programs to join. Let's all get along. 
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Silverstone
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#86 · Posted: 27 Aug 2008 23:21
This one is done, you can put a fork in it.
Trust me.
Jaime McCarley
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glitch00
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#87 · Posted: 27 Aug 2008 23:34
Well I'm happy so far with the new changes coming to FOCS. The idea of making money without a referral sounds good to me.
John
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surfininfl
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#88 · Posted: 30 Aug 2008 02:10
Jack and Glitch00,
Glad to see the support for FOCS. I recently joined and have been impressed with the support from Jah and Keith. The changes coming soon are exciting!
Have a great weekend everyone!
Ben
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judyp
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#89 · Posted: 30 Aug 2008 18:42
FOCS is COMPLETELY changing. But now those of us who are already in it will have to fork over $25 to get into the first cash flow stream. I just don't know.
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glitch00
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#90 · Posted: 30 Aug 2008 18:50
Well, judyp you don't have to do that, because I'll spend and join it for you and post results immediately if the $25 really yields it. So you have zero risk
Here's a good tip though, ask your sponsor for the $25. Me, I'm planning to give my referrals $25 so they join for free. That's the duty of a sponsor to begin - with support all the way. Sometimes it's not the program that's the problem, but it's the person you signed up under. I actually don't join a program based on their credibility, but I join based on how the sponsor presents everything to me and if a relationship and friendship will be developed.
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Silverstone
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#91 · Posted: 30 Aug 2008 23:54
Obviously they are scrambling to find something that will work.
I think the ship is sinking, it's time to find a lifeboat.
Jaime McCarley
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glitch00
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#92 · Posted: 31 Aug 2008 00:30
Let's just wait and see. Let's just give it a chance. You can't deny that they are all good people. No need to start downing any programs. Allowing a program to improve should be something to look forward too. Stick to what is best and let the others do what they love to do. Start to down it when you get ripped off or something, but each program has its own respective successful people. Me I love any program that wants to help people.
I commend people that go on YouTube that commend all the programs out there and then promote their favorite.
Anybody agree with me?
I'm still with the 90 day thing. That was their promise anyway. There are tons of programs that may promise it earlier, but I still choose this because I made some good friends out of it.
Don't wanna flame or anything, I just wanna establish a good harmony in this topic, especially in a program that deserves some good publicity for what it does. It did give out $100,000+ payments, you can't call that a sinking program.
I guess it boils down to the ones promoting it. You can have a selfish sponsor promote a very good program and then he doesn't do anything with his referrals. What do the referrals/newcomers do? They blame the whole company. It's part of a sponsors duty to assist them even after they got their referral commission. That's what I'd like to do with my new team. It so happened that I also had a sponsor who guided me throughout the whole process and withstood my nagging hehe (Thanks kendra  ). Plus the admins too replied to my e-mails.
So there, whew, I said so much there hehe, sorry bout that all.
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teamer
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#93 · Posted: 31 Aug 2008 06:41
what exactly does the $25 do for the people that are already in? I haven't had time to listen to the recorded call yet.
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glitch00
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#94 · Posted: 31 Aug 2008 08:18
That's not to be explained here as it's something not yet official. Try to e-mail the admins in that case.
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#95 · Posted: 31 Aug 2008 14:49
Silverstone: This is the basic gist of the FOCS but I want to stress that once you have completed the trial offers, you are a full member and you never have to complete any more offers again, ever. At that point, your task would be to use the free advertising and marketing tools provided to bring new members to your team, and for each one you are paid $150. So far, over $90,000 has been paid out to our members, so the system does work. If you have any questions just PM me. Jaime McCarley
And that's free?! hummm...
Why are business people confusing the hack of people? FREE means that you don't need to get money of your pocket at ALL. Yet, you're coming and saying that you can fill out offers... (which of course, will cost you at least 1cent)...
so, it is not FREEEEEE! You guys keep lying and coming with horrible systems. Everything cost with all these surveys.
Let me give you another example.
I am a Computer Science Engineer. I have been filling out so many surveys that claimed that are free (and there are some, indeed).
With one of the survey offers, I had to complete an offer that stated that is for free. All in one were good, til ... til I got a bill at my own house with an yearly subscription of... $. I could not believe it. This offer was something about trying kitchen products for freeeeeee. Again, for FREE. How on earth I test their product to see if they are good quality, and this for FREE, when they ask me to pay money for the products? This is ridiculous.
America is full of such things, USA Business is like that [and of course, not only in USA]. But America, keep in mind, God keeps being hurt, and that will cost us all, at a given time.
Why wouldn't we be upfront with what the business will imply and let people work?
Questions? Feel free to destroy my words, but this are my thoughts.
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teamer
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#96 · Posted: 31 Aug 2008 17:29
fbl3ssingm I suggest you read some more. It costs nothing, if you choose that route
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glitch00
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#97 · Posted: 31 Aug 2008 17:39
fbl3ssingm: Why are business people confusing the hack of people? FREE means that you don't need to get money of your pocket at ALL. Yet, you're coming and saying that you can fill out offers... (which of course, will cost you at least 1cent)...
Well, there are a small number of programs that give rebates, And among that small number of programs, there are a small number of people that even send you money to do the offers. If you are not in favor of that, then this offer isn't for you. If you really take their word for it and sign up under the right person, you can very well start without any money out of your pocket.
fbl3ssingm: I have been filling out so many surveys that claimed that are free (and there are some, indeed).
Just because there are lot's of survey sites out there doesn't mean that the Free Online Cash System is the same. All programs come in different sizes and shapes, but some do work. Your gonna just have to deal with the testimonials and ads you see.
fbl3ssingm: Why wouldn't we be upfront with what the business will imply and let people work
I don't know with them, but I'm pretty upfront. Although my idea of being upfront is to be upfront to those who are seriously interested with the opportunity. Like people who are seriously interested in the opportunity, willing to learn some easy steps, and start out with no out of pocket costs, message me for more information and then I'm upfront to them. There are people that don't get interested afterwards, that's okay, I didn't waste too much of their time, and there are a few who want to join my team. That's okay too because I support them and guide them throughout.
Take your profitlance website for an example, you too are promoting an online opportunity and I'm pretty sure you explain it in fuller detail to all to those who opt in, well in a way that's kinda how it works with this program too. What will you say to those people that say the exact same thing to what you are saying here in a "Profit Lance" thread?
Nobody can hide from that anyway, if you want some really upfront answers, Google should be able to be upfront to you.
fbl3ssingm: With one of the survey offers, I had to complete an offer that stated that is for free. All in one were good, til ... til I got a bill at my own house with an yearly subscription of... $. I could not believe it. This offer was something about trying kitchen products for freeeeeee.
Well the moral of this story is that you should do some research from multiple sources before you get scammed. Sorry to hear about your experience. You may even ask in other forums how the system works or of the system is legit. If you are always concluding all the time, better off ignoring the offer and let people go about their business.
Just accept that there are programs that work, I'm pretty sure your profitlance opportunity works as well correct? So no need to generalize that all people are liars and come up with horrible systems unless you think the system you are promoting as well is horrible.
Once again, I made this long, I apologize for the information overload. Again, I just wish everyone gets along and all be friends in the end.
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utopiagirl
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#98 · Posted: 1 Sep 2008 02:08
I too question the fact that some of us market these opportunities as "free" or "no out of pocket". After all, there is a fee to the customer. Whether it is $5, $20 or $50 to complete the offers...it's paid upfront by the customer then rebated back to them by their sponsor. From the time they do their offers to the time they get their rebate from their sponsor, it's a fee to them, even if it's only a couple days or so. So, in my opinion, the only way to honestly market it as "free" or "no out of pocket" would be to give our customer the $5, $20 or $50 first. They would then use that money to complete the offers.
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#99 · Posted: 1 Sep 2008 02:23 · Edited by: glitch00
Well the only problem with that suggestion utopiagirl is that people can just grab the money before doing the offers and opt out of the opportunity as a whole.
Say for example, someone clicks your zero2riches link on your signature. Then he/she read the opportunity and realize that it requires $20 to spend on offers. Then he'd be like, "Oh it's not free  can you give me $20 first and I'll promise to join." Would you do that? I'm sure you'd think twice. And let's say you do, and then they get their rebate as well and they don't pay it back to you, you'll end up losing $20 and it's up to you really if you consider that a loss.
However, I personally do that to people I trust and/or keep in touch with, because I really want to all members of my team to start out with no money out of their pocket. It really boils down to you as a sponsor. Once you join a program, you can market it on however you like to market it. You can go with how the admins advise you to do it, or you can mislead people, or you can offer incentives, it's totally up to you. Just keep in mind that you are carrying the name of the opportunity so you should always bring a good image to whatever program you are trying to get new people into.
The whole out of pocket costs notion is that when you do get started, you get started as if nothing came out of you. As what Silverstone said in the past, offers are only to be done once.
Now the whole rebate thing should be a wonderful thing, you should know that because you are in zero2riches and I know they give their rebates as advertised. There are tons of programs that require monthly fees and have no rebates whatsoever.
That's why programs like FOCS come out as great opportunities.
Works for me, if it doesn't you can leave it alone and let people who are more serious get their shot at it. 
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#100 · Posted: 1 Sep 2008 02:45
Right, glitch00...totally get what you're saying. I guess the main thing I was attempting to touch base on is the fact that when we are advertising as "free" but there is a fee to the customer, even if it's only for a day or so, is it still "free"? Just curious on how others feel about this. It's a question I've had since the beginning.
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