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Vision18
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#41 · Posted: 8 Aug 2008 11:47
The FOCS system is a branch off of another company that has been in business for over 10 years. I don't know if I can say the name of that program.
However, you can see the name of that company in the Fury Hat Guy's Video about how he made $14,200 in 90 days. So, the information is there, you just need to look at it.
Also, this was said on the conference call last night. But, I don't know if I have the permission to discuss the company here. Maybe? Maybe not? So, I'll just be safe.
Have a great day. Enjoy your weekend!
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#42 · Posted: 8 Aug 2008 12:18
Is there a CASH FLOW SUCCESS SYSTEM in your current program now SilverStone ?
How long did you market FOCS ? If im not mistaken you were in this program for 2-4 weeks ?
As of now FOCS have generated $100,125 in FREE CASH . . . .
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#43 · Posted: 8 Aug 2008 19:12
Silverstone: Now sure, Tom (the furry hat guy) made a lot of money with this but he got in early, at the beginning. I personally think this one has run its course, but good luck to you if you try it.
Tom actually WORKED this business. I have known him for over two years now and I have seen him put work and effort into different businesses, but never like what he has put into FOCS. He would put in 12-20 hour days at the start of this. That was only for the first week or two, after that he did not put in near that amount of time. But he really put all his effort behind this. Anybody can do what he has done, all it takes is WORK.
This business has just gotten started, not "run its course" by any means. FOCS has a lot of support and means for an even greater amount of income.
The other program you are in now is a copycat of FOCS. The problem with this program is that has no support, no higher levels of income and no actual company behind it. The guy behind it has a ton of "great ideas" and great "vision" of what it could be, but right now it is only the part that you are in. The only real problem with it is that there is no structure and no way to build this into a residual income. There is no website to go to for help, you do not get a free website or any of that. And for each person you only get $40. With FOCS you get $150 and you can build it into a residual income, plus all the support that goes along with it. You get a free website and all the training and support that you need.
I am not trying to put you down for the efforts that you have put into FOCS or your new venture. I do not know how much work you may have put into FOCS. But I do know that with real effort and work, you can make a lot of money with FOCS. I am using your new venture for supplemental income, but not my main source.
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#44 · Posted: 8 Aug 2008 19:48 · Edited by: Vision18
ljeb: With FOCS you get $150 and you can build it into a residual income, plus all the support that goes along with it. You get a free website and all the training and support that you need.
I agree...Look at part of this email I got today (from someone who is a member of FOCS)...
"Please remember, I'm here to help you every step of the way in any way I can. I love FOCS because it's all about helping each other succeed."
If that's not good support than I don't know what is.
I receive a response from this guy within a few hours, sometimes within minutes. That is EXCELLENT customer support. And, not to mention, I did not even get started yet!
So, great customer support BEFORE even joining shows great customer support after joining.
Have a great night.
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#45 · Posted: 8 Aug 2008 22:03
Vision18: It's not necessarily 23 offers. You need 5.0 credits. The credits are either 0.25, 0.50, or 1.0. So, if you choose wisely you can get it done in 5 offers
That is incorrect. "Phase 1" currently requires 10 offers to be
completed. Then there's "Phase 2" which requires 5.0 credits
to finally arrive at your qualification stage. So even if you choose
"wisely" as you say, the absolute minimum number of offers
required would be 15, and that is only if you are able to do 5 x 1.0 offers in Phase 2, which will not be free, you WILL spend money
doing 1.0 offers. Here's the link to their phase 1 & 2 offers:
[Link removed - Admin]
When I was with this program, I did the math and arrived at 23 offers in order to get qualified, and still break even on the offers
(since they did rebate $50 at that time for completing the offers).
So, I broke even. I spent 4 weeks of my life marketing and canceling offers, and my gross profit was $0. (Net profit was -5.95
because I paid for an autoresponder).
Vision18: you can see the name of that company in the Fury Hat Guy's Video about how he made $14,200 in 90 days. So, the information is there, you just need to look at it.
You shouldn't always drink the Kool-Aid... sip it and move on.
Seth: As of now FOCS have generated $100,125 in FREE CASH
That's true... I just wish I had seen any of it. My cash = 0
ljeb: The other program you are in now is a copycat of FOCS. The problem with this program is that has no support, no higher levels of income and no actual company behind it.
Copycat or not, I have made $280 so far. I made $0 with FOCS.
As far as support and higher levels of income, they can be found
at our members website here:
http://zero2riches.ning.com/
ljeb: There is no website to go to for help, you do not get a free website or any of that.
Very incorrect. The website for help is referenced above, and all members currently have free websites. Of course, if you want
your own domain name, then that will cost about $6.99 per year,
through godaddy. Same as your system. Free webhosting but domains are extra.
ljeb: And for each person you only get $40.
Also incorrect, we get $80 per referral, and they only have to do
about 4 offers, as opposed to the 23 that I did when I joined
FOCS.
ljeb: I am not trying to put you down for the efforts that you have put into FOCS or your new venture. I do not know how much work you may have put into FOCS. But I do know that with real effort and work, you can make a lot of money with FOCS. I am using your new venture for supplemental income, but not my main source.
I respect your opinion and wish you luck! We are internet marketers trying to make a buck... and any profit is a good profit.
I especially like the profits that come when sleeping... 
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#46 · Posted: 8 Aug 2008 22:11
Silverstone: Also incorrect, we get $80 per referral, and they only have to do about 4 offers, as opposed to the 23 that I did when I joined FOCS.
Silverstone: As far as support and higher levels of income, they can be found at our members website here: http://zero2riches.ning.com/
This is all new since it came out. When I was looking at it there was none of this. Good to see that it is getting some sort of support set up.
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#47 · Posted: 9 Aug 2008 17:13 · Edited by: Vision18
Silverstone: the absolute minimum number of offers required would be 15, and that is only if you are able to do 5 x 1.0 offers in Phase 2, which will not be free, you WILL spend money
If you did all 1.0 offers that would only be 5. So, 15 is not the minimum. Maybe the "1" got added in by mistake.
Maybe you didn't read the rest of my comment? Or maybe it didn't show up on your page? I don't know. But, if you did ALL 0.25 offers, that's only 20 offers. So, where you are coming from with 23 I'm unsure.
I'm sorry but I do not share your frustration becuase I've received great support from this program and I don't look at life in a negative way.
Anyway, yes, you will spend money. But at the same time you are getting $50 (as you stated). So, in essence, you are not spending money. Not to sound rude here, but unlike the program YOU promote this $50 does not come out of our comissions.
And if you were wise, like I said, you would have been able to get 5.0 credits in less than 23 offers and for less than $50. Being wise means looking around, searching the options, covering all the bases, etc. You seem wise on your program, which is beneficial to you.
Please try to understand what is being said here.
Thank you so much for your time.
Have a great weekend.
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#48 · Posted: 10 Aug 2008 01:01
Vision18: If you did all 1.0 offers that would only be 5. So, 15 is not the minimum. Maybe the "1" got added in by mistake.
Obviously you are a newbie. Get back to us after you have qualified for this program, and then give us your true # of offers that you completed. Please do not post any theoretical #'s as you have done so thus far. Get qualified, then post your ACTUAL numbers.
Jaime
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#49 · Posted: 15 Aug 2008 21:05
5 days later, and still no update from Vision18.
I guess maybe he got lost in the sea of offers.
Jaime McCarley
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#50 · Posted: 17 Aug 2008 12:20
I am working on Phase 2, actually.
I have a lot of personal matters to attend to.
I really do not appreciate your rude mannerisms and improper etiquette. You honestly have no idea what I deal with in my day and have absolutely no right to criticize me.
I have not done such things upon you and I hope you discontinue doing them to me. It really shows your insecurities, which disappoints me.
I will post my results when I am complete. I plan to be done by the end of this week but like I said, sometimes I need to attend to some other things.
Have a great day and enjoy the rest of your weekend.
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#51 · Posted: 17 Aug 2008 19:41
I understand where Silverstone is coming from on this. With FOCS it is 10 offers for the first part, then AT LEAST 5 for the second. That's at minimum - 15 offers. And most of the 1 credit offers on the git-r-free site are expensive, so the average person is probably going to do the cheaper, half credit or quarter offers, so I can see where 23 offers OR MORE is quite possible.
I had been doing freebie sites like git-r-free for a year before joining FOCS, so I did the skip offer plan and paid $250 to join. A month and a half later.... I've not gotten one single referral.
I haven't given up entirely yet, the thing I'm looking forward to now is that they are planning to reduce the number of required credits at some point soon. I think frankly FOCS is feeling the heat from Z2R and Tom Yatar's new program and realize they have to cut it down.
Also, the remark that in Z2R you have to take money out of your income to pay your referral. There is nothing WRONG with that. I come from a world where we would pay people up to 70% or MORE of our earnings from sites like git-r-free or zeropricetags. Paying a mere 25% at Z2R is nothing! Plus with Z2R your referrals sign up directly under YOU, not under the main company's referral link, so you get paid immediately when you get a referral.
It really all depends on who you are, where you've been, and how you look at it. There is no doubt though that at this moment Z2R is EASIER, but FOCS is aware of this and seem to be prepared to make modifications to their program to compete.
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#52 · Posted: 18 Aug 2008 00:22
judyp, I applaud you for your honesty and skill at explaining what
I was trying to explain. Two thumbs up!
Oh, and I'm sorry for any "rude mannerisms and improper etiquette"
that might have been inferred by Vision18. They certainly were not
implied. I wish you only the best with your quest in all endeavors
that you choose.
I just call 'em like I see 'em. For me, it took 23 offers to qualify.
Hats Off again to judyp...
Jaime McCarley
ps- judy, I never got any referrals either with FOCS, that's why I left. With Z2R, you DO have to pay $20 to your referral but you gross $80 (so you net $60) for each referral.
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#53 · Posted: 18 Aug 2008 05:56
I heard some good comments made yesterday which I think everyone can agree with.
The more credits you have to complete, the more money you make per referral.
So. Zero2Riches you only have to complete 2.0 credits (I believe) and you NET $60 per referral.
While, Free Online Cash System you have to complete 5.0 credits but you also NET $150 per referral.
So, in essence, the amount of credits you have to complete is directly proportional to the amount of money you make per referral. I think a lot of people don't realize/acknowledge that; I know I didn't before just recently.
Have a great day everyone and thank you Silverstone.
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#54 · Posted: 19 Aug 2008 03:33
I've been in the Free Online Cash System for 3 weeks right now. I am in a good position to earn some free cash next week. But, this isn't just about the money here.
I've had some great success in learning lots of things about marketing, meeting some wonderful people who are also in the system and I never really felt alone after I became a member. Support is excellent and it really makes the sign up worth it. I had no regrets and I didn't lose any money to begin with. I see the Free Online Cash System as something more of team building and making sure that everyone in your team benefits. Not just some pyramid where all the ones on top get everything. Free Online Cash System is geared more towards sharing and everyone cares for your success (at least the people I've met)
And once you are in, you're practically a member forever and part of that team forever as well. So I'm happy with the progress and I have no regrets of joining.
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#55 · Posted: 20 Aug 2008 01:40
Vision18: The more credits you have to complete, the more money you make per referral. So. Zero2Riches you only have to complete 2.0 credits (I believe) and you NET $60 per referral. While, Free Online Cash System you have to complete 5.0 credits but you also NET $150 per referral. So, in essence, the amount of credits you have to complete is directly proportional to the amount of money you make per referral. I think a lot of people don't realize/acknowledge that; I know I didn't before just recently.
These statements are mostly true, with the following exception:
Vision18: While, Free Online Cash System you have to complete 5.0 credits
As we mentioned before, the 5.0 credit is what is required for Phase II. Phase one involves doing about 10 offers, last time I checked.
You are correct in stating that you "would earn" more money per
referral with FOCS vs Zero2riches. Z2R pays $80 and FOCS pays
$150.
The bottom line here is this: two people here (myself and judyp)
have a gross profit of $0 with FOCS. Think about that for a minute.
We both went through the process of doing offers and getting
qualified, and yet we made no money with this, even after spending
countless hours of marketing. The problems I had were 1, getting
people to actually go on the live call, and then 2, having them complete the numerous offers to get qualified (23 in my case).
With Z2R, I am making money, and there is no live call hassles,
and the referral can get completed with doing offers in about
an hour.
Jaime McCarley
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#56 · Posted: 20 Aug 2008 01:49 · Edited by: glitch00
I just read the whole thread and want to add more without the double posting. 
The reason why I didn't get into the Zero2Riches or Fury2Wealth programs are merely because of lack of support for overseas. (I'm from the Philippines as well).
Also not making anything for 4 weeks doesn't really spell failure (just in my opinion) as the system does speak of a 90 day commitment. I'm on like day 35 and progress has been going well and I met some wonderful people and even made a few new friends. If you are thirsty for free cash, quite possibly the other programs maybe for you because they do seem easier. I'm not saying that all of you guys should do the 90 days, everyone is free to try different things if they feel its not working out for them, I guess I'm just a bit more patient hehe.
As what judyp has said, FOCS is changing their game a bit and I have good faith that they are all doing this for a good cause and not for the sake of competiting with the others. They show great respect to the other companies out there and don't even say those "come stay at FOCS we're the best" kinda lines. I've been looking around YouTube and seeing a couple individuals bashing other programs and try to keep them focused to their program, that's a person who's main goal is to make $$$$$. I personally don't find that to be a cool attitude. Me I'm up for making some online business partners and getting everyone on my team to meet whatever objectives they want to accomplish. FOCS was made to help people out to begin with. I may be in the process of making a FOCS team soon.
I'll definately stay with FOCS though and even to all the FOCS members who didn't join through me or joined before me. I'd be happy to help you all out. My sponsor (the one who invited me to FOCS) gave me some great support and I want to do the same.
Not bashing anyone here again, anybody who is comfortable with their own program is a winner. What matters is that you are here not just to make money for yourself, but to help your referrals/team make money too. Any person in any program that has that passion earns my respect. 
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#57 · Posted: 20 Aug 2008 02:17 · Edited by: Silverstone
Nice post, glitch00.
So how much money have you made with FOCS?
For me, it's been Zero.
Jaime McCarley
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#58 · Posted: 20 Aug 2008 02:33 · Edited by: glitch00
Thanks Silverstone
I expect everyone to laugh at me or throw tomatoes at me, but zero too haha I won't lie :P
Though I made around 10 new friends during my first 3 weeks of marketing, a couple who are existing members of FOCS now and 2 are cute lol, give me a program that beats that - no out of pocket cost and give me new chatmates hehe.
I do have 3 people undergoing phase 2 though. Let's just see how that goes. I didn't have to go through phase 2 since it doesn't apply to people overseas. But whew, I had to study it just to guide them through it.
I don't really plan on referring too many people or else I may lose the ability to support them all (though they can get support from the founders themselves and weekly live calls). I'm pretty sure thats why the top earners don't have time for their referrals or they just stick to a few of them. I wanna try to stay clear of that scenario and I don't wanna leave them in the dark after all the offers they did. Even if they break even, it's still important that they should get something out of all it. I'm looking at making just 5 referrals for the first 90 days and after that I will pass future referrals to my teammates and see if I can help each person to make their own cash too and keep them together. Should be a bit easier since FOCS changes will be taken place soon (includes updated website, 24/7 pre-recorded orientation calls, upcoming free autoresponder).
I won't be spoonfeeding them or anything hehe, it's just my technique of getting them motivated and feel the worth of the business opportunity that they have.
Sounds pretty hard I know, but this is my first time in starting an online business and interacting with strangers and all, but this is all part of experimenting. If I fail, I fail, but at least I didn't lose any money hehe.
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#59 · Posted: 20 Aug 2008 02:43
Mighty strong words there my friend, but you neglected to
answer my question:
"So how much money have you made with FOCS?"
Be honest, please.
Jaime McCarley
ps- I have made $0
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#60 · Posted: 20 Aug 2008 02:47 · Edited by: glitch00
You missed it bro. Read my post again, 2nd line.
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