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CharlieMack
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#141 · Posted: 19 May 2011 08:41
A report from CNN:
10 biggest money wasters
Daily Internet deals 9 of 10
Those pole dancing lessons may sound like a great idea when an email entices you with 50% off for a limited time.
And of course, with daily deals, you'll need to purchase the offer now, but cash in on it later.
But lots of those vouchers never get redeemed. Lifesta, a site that will buy back your unused deals, estimates that 20% of all daily deals go unused. That's a whopping $532 million wasted, based on the Local Offer Network's estimate that the daily deal industry will grow 138% to $2.66 billion in 2011.
That might be why you're seeing so many of them popping up everywhere. More than 63,000 local group deals were published online last year, and almost 40,000 were published in the first quarter of 2011 alone, Local Offer Network found.
"Anyone who uses a computer is now being constantly bombarded with them," said Lassus. "But what you really have to do when you see a good deal that pulls you in is think `would I even be considering buying this if I didn't have this good deal in front of me?'"
I think this report highlights two major problems:
#1 Saturation
#2 People know they don't have to ever use the coupon and it's a cover for a ponzi. Tell your downline to just spend the $20 bucks regardless. If you get enough people signed up, you'll make a fortune.
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#142 · Posted: 19 May 2011 18:00 · Edited by: CharlieMack
CharlieMack: Don't give up the dream as this phenomenal opportunity is just about to explode. For those of you who have the vision and can see what potential John's vision will bring to us, you will be rewarded. I commend you for not listening to those negative people who don't want you to succeed, and pray that all of us christians will continue to do God's work in helping others. There are great things to come with this phenomenal company and we just want to make sure we do this right. It is coming soon and we will be the biggest most successful MLM in history. May God bless you.
Bad manners to quote myself but I'm just cracking up here. I wrote the above not reading anything lately from TCA and my point to mock as it's always the same crap. Check out the "real" latest from John:
More bull from John:
Thanks! Naturally, your commitment and support continue to demonstrate the type of person you are. Here at the home office we have been commenting about the quality, character and integrity of our members, a level of credibility that truly stands out! The continual e-mails of encouragement sent in to our staff are wonderful and very well received. We so appreciate all of you! TCA continues to climb ever closer in completing the herculean task of launching OUR company. We are so pleased to know you get the vision and have decided to create positive change and make a difference by building a company you can be PROUD to say you are a part of! Experts in the business world have told us tha t TCA will likely break all kinds of growth records when we launch, and we plan on being ready!
Give me a bucket!
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#143 · Posted: 19 May 2011 21:15
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#144 · Posted: 19 May 2011 21:31
"Experts in the business world"...again no names...
Businesses with real testimonials from real people quote those people using their names. All along, as I posted above, there have been vague claims - "some NFL players", "many more touted celebs" and recognizable business executives, major banks, "many notable individuals", and now "experts in the business world". Never any specifics, never any names.
It is exactly things like this that make me so skeptical, so wary about being fed just more hype.
You know, when I listened the other day to that 30 minute sales presentation that never did include any questions and answers, I realized what a really good presentation it was. The program is a good idea, John is a good salesman, if they would just rely on the facts I wouldn't be having all these doubts. But when they load on all the hype, to the point of absurdity, it really damages their credibility. At least in my eyes it does. So I wind up doubting the whole program.
If they would just drop the hype and let us know what is actually going on, it would help...
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#145 · Posted: 19 May 2011 23:58
People are actually getting on the calls for this? People are hanging on because they believe they are going to get a lot of something for nothing
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#146 · Posted: 20 May 2011 20:39
circleb: If they would just drop the hype and let us know what is actually going on, it would help...
Hype IS "what is actually going on".
The only thing.
Other than that it's all BS at best, and most likely a straight up scam - but it would definitely NOT 'help' John M. and TCA to let you know that!
They simply will NOT be telling you it's a scam so, HYPE is all you'll be getting...
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#147 · Posted: 27 May 2011 20:48
Wow!! I can not believe what I am reading about this new FREE business opportunity called "The Customer Advantage (TCA)".
I just joined TCA yesterday thinking that people would be all fired up about this setup/concept of offering people coupons to save people money on things they already buy and making an income at the same time for doing that.
I see that TCA has been in Pre-Launch for awhile. Hmm... This is for sure getting you guys in to thinking it is all just hype/scam.
I am not sure how this is going to turn out with TCA. If it goes bad, then I really hope some business owner puts this together. This is REALLY going to be HUGE if TCA or another owner gets this going.
Anyone have an idea why Groupon did not setup their program this way? If they did, they would even be bigger!!
I really hope this all comes together. I am sure all of you would like for it to come together too, even if you are saying it is just hype/scam.
Regards,
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#148 · Posted: 28 May 2011 00:04
Hi Tony -
Another owner has already gotten this going - it's called Moolala, they have been sending out coupons for months now, and they have a five level commission structure.
I am very much in favor of the whole concept, and I am still hoping TCA gets its act together. In the meantime, Moolala has gotten my interest.
If you are building a network, you could use both programs and sign up people for TCA and Moolala - Moolala for its program that is already working, and TCA for (hopefully) the future.
Good luck!
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#149 · Posted: 28 May 2011 07:51 · Edited by: Speedy2011
Hi Circleb,
Thank you for showing us that there is another business out there that is WORKING with this concept.
I will look more in to Moolala. Seems like the way to go, now that Moolala also has it setup where you can invite businesses too and get paid for doing that.
Thank you,
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#150 · Posted: 29 May 2011 22:26
circleb: Another owner has already gotten this going - it's called Moolala, they have been sending out coupons for months now, and they have a five level commission structure.
Makes one wonder what could possibly be TCA's reason for being non-functional.
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#151 · Posted: 30 May 2011 18:27 · Edited by: CharlieMack
Speedy2011: Anyone have an idea why Groupon did not setup their program this way? If they did, they would even be bigger!!
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#152 · Posted: 30 May 2011 18:51
Speedy2011: Anyone have an idea why Groupon did not setup their program this way? If they did, they would even be bigger!!
Perhaps because they are smart business people and realize that by nature of the MLM structure - IT WOULDN'T FLY! They realize that there aren't enough people in this world to make an individual enough money to warrant his efforts.
Moolala has some deals but if you notice, they are all the same internet deals except for Texas which has local ones, it would appear.
Don't give up your day job is all I'm saying. There is a lot of competition and not enough people to go around.
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#153 · Posted: 2 Jun 2011 16:53 · Edited by: Speedy2011
Hi CharlieMack,
Lets keep in mind that Moolala just started up. This is one BIG reason why we do not see any great coupon deals yet.
This is where us Moolala and TCA members come in to invite our LOCAL small businesses in to one of these programs to add VALUE to what we are offering.
I live in Michigan. How many people in Michigan joined Moolala or TCA to get some great deals in this area? This is where I would come in to build a team here in Michigan to go out with me to get as many local small businesses to join in; that in return will have us some great coupon deals to choose from.
In other words, we are building our OWN product to offer people; rather than joining a business online that has us offering people a HUGE price for our products. You have to sell the product first in order for your compensation plan to do anything for you to make money in the first place.
I know I can do well in network marketing, if the business I join can focus more on the product by having it at a price people can offered just to be a customer with and not have to pay the extra amount of money for the product to make the compensation plan better.
Ok, I went a little off track. I just had to get that off my chest. 
I really like Moolala and TCA concept. But I am a little concern about the small business side of it. Will they be able to knock off 50% and still make a profit some how by joining in?
If the businesses out there can make this work for them, then I know this will work; due to I do not have a problem at all talking to business owners. Let me at them!
What are your thoughts on the business side of this concept? Do you think there are businesses out there that can work with this 50% off coupon deals?
Groupon seems to be making it happen with businesses out there. Any groupon members out there? If so, what kind of businesses are in this concept?
Thank you,
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#154 · Posted: 3 Jun 2011 05:23
To add to what I said about the business side of this concept. Does it have to be 50% off coupons? How about 20% off coupons? We would still be getting a good deal and making an income at the same time with this concept.
I will be talking to one of the Moolala owners about this. I feel 20% off coupons would help get local businesses to join in. What do you all think?
If you all look at the big picture, you will see that this setup is having these small businesses share their sells with us. In other words, even 5% coupons would work too.
This way you save 5% on buying that product for yourself to save some money and at the same time Moolala members get a 2% part of that sell too.
This was just something to think about. I think I am looking at this the right way with the Moolala program.
Thank you,
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#155 · Posted: 3 Jun 2011 19:04
With all due respect, you are looking at the concept and not the facts. The same rule of math applies to Moolala as TCA. Let me borrow Linkvaarks numbers:
You and your downline sign up two per month for one year = 166,912 in your pyramid 5 deep.
US population is 310 million. 310,000,000/166,912 Only 1857 people can achieve this status if everyone signs up two per month.
Or how much money needs to be spent in the downline to make a good check?
$100,000 in coupons in your pyramid will get you $2000 right? At that rate it would take 1 Billion in coupons sales with moolala per month to allow only 1000 people to make $2000 a month. Ever wonder where you are in the pyramid? One of the first 1000?
I could keep going but I think you get it. Not enough people and not enough money and too much competition.
By the way, as big as Groupon is, I live in a city of 500,000 people and we don't even have any local deals yet with them.
Good luck.
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#156 · Posted: 3 Jun 2011 22:59 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
CharlieMack: With all due respect, you are looking at the concept and not the facts. The same rule of math applies to Moolala as TCA. Let me borrow Linkvaarks numbers: You and your downline sign up two per month for one year = 166,912 in your pyramid 5 deep. US population is 310 million. 310,000,000/166,912 Only 1857 people can achieve this status if everyone signs up two per month.
So true.
And that's just for your own downline!!
But also, don't forget, out of 310 million, there are PLENTY of people who just don't count.
I.E. children for one thing - only those of 'legal age' can even participate in contractual agreements;
people who are filthy rich, thus not even considering IM as a pursuit;
people who for whatever reason will just NOT be doing IM - they just dont 'want to', they have their own or enough income revenue (retirees, those on disability etc.), mentally or physically incapacitated and not even THINKING of doing anything.
The list goes on and on.
Realistically, you just do not even have 310 million people in the USA to market to!
The same holds true even for the world market, of course.
CharlieMack: $100,000 in coupons in your pyramid will get you $2000 right? At that rate it would take 1 Billion in coupons sales with moolala per month to allow only 1000 people to make $2000 a month
Like TCA's plan, this too would soon need ONE TRILLION DOLLARS and more!
It just ain't a gonna happen!
CharlieMack: I could keep going but I think you get it. Not enough people and not enough money and too much competition.
NEWS FLASH: Google is getting in on this market!! GOOGLE DEALS I believe it is called.
CharlieMack: By the way, as big as Groupon is, I live in a city of 500,000 people and we don't even have any local deals yet with them.
Just for reference, I am on the Groupon list. I have yet to see anything I'd personally want to pay for - IN ADVANCE no less!!
With all the businesses that offer their own deals, spontaneously, holidays, sporting events etc. why would you pay in advance to 'save money'?
CharlieMack: Ever wonder where you are in the pyramid? One of the first 1000?
This is the basic MLM scam.
Only those at the top will really make money.
There is just not enough market, and too much competition for everyone to succeed.
No matter how hard they try.
I'd like to see if there's an MLM Pyramid plan that can overcome this basic problem - maybe by limiting the depth or percentage of payout, for example.
I really don't know.
But this problem is undeniable.
The only strategy I have consistently seen is for MLMs to simply deny they are MLMs!
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#157 · Posted: 4 Jun 2011 11:35 · Edited by: Speedy2011
Wow! I see that we have some people here that are against MLM all together and it will not matter what we say.
We are kind of getting a little off track on this thread. But I guess mlm does play a factor in this thread; due to TCA & Moolala has a MLM setup to it.
I am sure that the people out there that do not care for MLM companies will not have the same mind set I have that I am about to share.
I look at MLM as a way companies can SHARE their money with us; rather than keeping it all to themselves (Greed).
But the problem that I have learn in the MLM businesses I have been in and currently in, is the PRICE of the product. The price for the product is higher for that MLM company can make more money and share to us more money (GREEDY SETUP STILL).
It is not about making a higher commission off of a sell to make good money. It is about making the sell first, to more people to succeed.
In order to make more sells to people, the MLM companies needs to have a product people can use or take at a price they can afford!
With the higher prices for the MLM products makes me feel I am only able to offer their products to other network marketing people like me, rather than people looking to just be a customer of the product.
Keep in mind that I am aware that there are MLM businesses out there with products people can afford. BUT most of those MLM companies offer products you can download online that in my eyes is not a product most people would want to use or take any way.
This in return just has us network marketing people jumping to the next newer downloadable product to be the first in to make money off the other network marketers that join in. This goes over and over again.
To be honest, I am thinking now that Moolala and TCA will not work too; due to my concern I said in my replies above. That is the small business side of it.
Yes, this concept will get more people to their business. But that small business is only going to get around 25% of their own product when it is all said and done.
I say this due to the coupons gives us customer 50% of their products. Then half of that sell goes to that small local business, in return makes that small business only 25%. The rest gets split up with Moolala and its members. If TCA starts up, it will kind of work the same way.
For you people that are against MLM. What if your local store (Distributor) where you buy one of your weekly products shared a very small amount of their commission to you by telling you that they took a tiny bit of their commission out of the next PERSON who went to the SAME local store (Distributor) to buy the SAME product. Would you return that check and call it a scam?
In other words, the more people that go to the SAME STORE (Distributor) and bought the same product would get a commission off of the people that bought the same product after they went to the same local store five levels down.
I believe if these business owners in this world we live in would STOP thinking of themselves (Greed!) so much, our world would be a better place.
This is why I am a network marker. But I have yet found a mlm business that has a PHYSICAL product that I can offer online and OFFLINE to people that they can afford and want to just be a customer of the product and an OPTION to do the business.
People buy their products more at their local stores; due to they cost less than if they buy it from a mlm company/business. If mlm companies/businesses stop focusing on the making money side and focus on making their products cost as close as they can to the local store's product cost, you will then have a winning MLM company to join.
It can be done; due to there will be MORE sells of the MLM product that will have the small commissions paid out add up to making a good commission for that mlm company/business and us distributors. STOP THE GREED!!!
Regards,
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#158 · Posted: 5 Jun 2011 18:11
You look young and it sounds like you have good ideas but DON'T YOU THINK SOMEONE HASN'T ALREADY CONSIDERED THAT IN THE 50 YEARS AMWAY HAS BEEN AROUND?
Not going to fly or they would have done it. I admire your ambition but why not put it towards a viable business model? If MLM is really what you want to do, find a crappy product, hype it up, charge to much, and start your own MLM. It's the only way.....Or sell T-Shirts outside the rallies on the curb, you'll be far more successful.
I'm sorry dear, it is what it is.
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#159 · Posted: 5 Jun 2011 19:35 · Edited by: Speedy2011
Let me put this thread back on track. Sorry.
Now that you all know how I feel about MLM, how can "The Customer Advantage" mlm setup work for us, local businesses and TCA itself?
Charliemack says it will not work at all. We got your side of it along with some other people here feel the same way as Charliemack. By the way CharlieMack, I am 43 years old. I was 40 in that pic. Thank you for calling me young.
I feel the local business part is going to be hard to get them to take that much money off their product. But groupon is showing us it can be done. Hmm..
Now back to the question I said in one of my replies and that is "What KIND of businesses joined in with groupon? Can some one direct us or post a reply with a list.
I would suggest that if TCA every takes off, they should start with the same kind of businesses that are working in groupon. This would be a start to see if it can take off or not.
Anyone else have any POSITIVE ideas for the TCA paused business? We read all the negative and maybe you all will be right about what will happen with TCA. Only time will tell us what will happen.
I have to say that I like the idea of offering people a product they already buy at their local stores for a lower price. But 50% off is going to make it real hard to bring our local business in to TCA or Moolala.
Again, why not 5% off coupons? Just get them in to TCA or Moolala to make this work.
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#160 · Posted: 6 Jun 2011 18:32
Speedy2011: Again, why not 5% off coupons? Just get them in to TCA or Moolala to make this work.
R U KIDDING man??
Who the heck is going to pay, in advance, for 5% off of anything?
It wouldn't even make sense to print a coupon for that kind of a 'discount'.
It wouldn't be worth the trouble to even hold on to, and carry around, a coupon that is giving you 5% off!!
Reality check - on a $10 pizza, you'll be saving FIFTY CENTS!
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