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TJamMoneyMan
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#121 · Posted: 13 Apr 2011 19:12
Lynn_EZ_MLM: I'm already close to reaching my goal to have 10 directors who have enough people in their groups to each expect $10,000 worth of sales in their groups once this deal launches - it's been really easy.
If your goal is to have "enough people" to "expect" $10,000 worth of sales, yes that is "really easy".
Getting the MONEY to pay 10 people $10,000 that will be a different story altogether!
That takes ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS!
Just to pay ONE person on 5 levels.
A membership of just 100,000 TCA members will need ONE BILLION DOLLARS in coupon sales!
Does anyone think this is realistic?
circleb: It doesn't matter how many people you have signed up, commission depends on people actually using the coupons. If all the people who have signed up so far are signing up just to make money and never use coupons, there won't be much commission being earned. And with the conditions hedged around level 5, most people won't be receiving commission at that level anyway
Yes, the money to PAY people has to come from SOMEWHERE!
How much money do you expect to generate from discounts on spas, expresso, and pizza anyway?
Don't forget, this is capitalist America after all.
There is COMPETITION for this market.
Lynn_EZ_MLM: Based on projections like Groupons, if you sign up 2 people per month and they sign up 2 people per month
Two people, each signing up two people...
Now where have ALL OF US heard of this concept?
(everywhere!)
WHERE has it actually WORKED?
(nowhere!)
WHAT is this called?
(pyramid!)
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#122 · Posted: 18 Apr 2011 17:40
TJamMoneyMan: A membership of just 100,000 TCA members will need ONE BILLION DOLLARS in coupon sales!
Correction, it would take TEN BILLION DOLLARS for 100,000 TCA members to get paid on all 5 levels!!!
My bad on the math.
This is truly mind boggling!
Not that it would ever happen, but 10 million members would require ONE TRILLION DOLLARS in coupon sales for this pyramid to pay out on five levels.
Good luck!
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#123 · Posted: 20 Apr 2011 12:22
Agreed,
I just don't see any potential of anyone coming close the the numbers needed for these overblown figures.
Success to all,
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#124 · Posted: 23 Apr 2011 12:07 · Edited by: circleb
So it's April 23 now...
Any coupons sent out yet? Any updates? Anything? Anyone???
Meanwhile, Moolala continues to send out its daily coupons...
If you like the potential that you thought The Customer Advantage offered, join me at Moolala, where there is actually a functioning program!
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#125 · Posted: 23 Apr 2011 12:16
Given how long it took for Groupon to offer their first coupons, I would say about six more months for most.
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#126 · Posted: 4 May 2011 14:08
May 4, still no coupons...
Meanwhile, the hype continues:
"Many notable individuals who are close to corporate recently describe TCA as 'the most revolutionary business model to appear in the last century � If not in ALL of recorded history!' "
Except, of course, there are companies already doing this, fully launched, fully functioning...
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#127 · Posted: 4 May 2011 15:14
At this point it's safe to say that TCA once it took the $75 from people for an ad co-op to get people referrals for a "free" business and failed to deliver along with failing to launch the business, that unless something changes this was a scam at the point he asked for your money.
Can't run these back offices for free folks. He needed the money for the biz operation at the least, but that's being nice. He took the money and ran.
Stop pursuing free lunches, and be willing to learn and go to work for maximum success in your home business.
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#128 · Posted: 12 May 2011 16:26
I have to wonder about the people who paid that $75 - are they getting updates that the rest of us aren't? It seems to me that TCA owes them better information than we seem to be getting.
At the beginning of this thread several people posted that they had paid the $75 - are you guys still around? Is TCA giving you any information that you can share with us? Are you still optimistic about your investment?
I notice that the people who have apparently been in some sort of insider's circle with TCA and would give us updates aren't posting here any more. Have they given up the hype, since it doesn't seem to be convincing those of us who post here?
And does anyone have any information on the status of TCA at this time? Inquiring minds want to know!
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#129 · Posted: 12 May 2011 20:19 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
For those who may not already know:
Here's a 'desperate last gasp' site entertaining comments, courtesy of 'Zac' - with all the links you 'need' to join HIS TCA link, of course!
You can watch how the comments gradually turn from better, to bitter (with a LOT of 'bitter' comments deleted along the way, by 'Zac', you can be sure!).
He says he banished TCA to the 'scam' section of his site but if you click you will discover the truth (yes, he is still pushing TCA!):
http://www.internet-work-marketing.com/the-customer-advantage-scam.html
Speaking of scams, The Power Bar club is exposed on this site as well, with the experiences of a few less than happy marketers (including Zac!), and their involvement and time wasted, with that 'free' program (though it took them until about April of this year to finally come to their senses):
http://www.internet-work-marketing.com/powerbar-club-scam-.html
A few of us right here at WAHF tried to expose the sheer lunacy of The Power Bar Club almost two years ago!
So stick with WAHF and get next years news NOW:
http://www.work-at-home-forum.com/index.php?phrase=powerbar+club&searchType=3&where=1&forum=&s Day=24&sMonth=6&sYear=2005&eDay=12&eMonth=5&eYear=2011&posterName=&action=search&searchGo=1
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#130 · Posted: 12 May 2011 22:08
Yes, I have been following Zac's forum for a while. More disappointed people, more negative comments about TCA. And still no good information coming from TCA or anyone associated with it. The last update I received from them was May 3, and it basically said...nothing.
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#131 · Posted: 14 May 2011 16:44
Still in Pre-Launch....no need for the negativity just yet.
A very disappointing delay INDEED, but I certainly do not have any concerns of this company not making good on their claims (yet). I still recommend building a team of free customers so when official launch happens (if), you can be positioned to grow a larger team and earn more commissions.
The Founder seems to be concentrating on technology upgrades to handle his projected 10 million users by year's end. He also spent three days with some Hollywood Branding Expert...so an actual name change is forthcoming as well as a new logo.
With over 93,000 members, they have some clout with National Merchants. Hang on, this thing may be everything we expected it to be in March...or not?...I'm still IN!
And for those that really do follow TCA and are actual members, go listen to Thursday's Webinar recording in your back office, the Founder was on the call. He is not a rah rah guy, down to earth and thus far... believable.
Some NFL Players are endorsing TCA, including two Super Bowl Champions. Many more touted celebs and so-called recognizable Business Executives. I think the founder has many things up his sleeve than some posters here realize.
We've all been burned before, some of us many times. But this is an actual FREE "apparent" BizOpp and we cannot loose money. It is definitely a Huge Industry, let's just hope John Milanoski can get the pieces together so we all can make some money.
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#132 · Posted: 14 May 2011 19:45
Time Is Money! Yet Hope Springs Eternal - PLEASE!
The time that has been wasted by good people on a would be free business that as of now, and the foreseeable near future, has NOT made anyone money from the 93K members the group registered, except the "smoothly obtained" $75 per participant in the advertising co-op that isn't into the hands of the owner, should be a clear indication that one's time is better served pursuing opportunities that will actually earn you some income. Because this "free" business is costing you Big loses.
Since there is no co-op, and wasn't apparently one planned anytime soon, if at all, would it be foul to say that a many of people's $75 bucks have going into non verifiable tech updates to prepare for 10 million users in the next 6 months, ROFL, C'mon Man!
I'm not one for bashing, except where clearly warranted, but how can anyone come on here and happily but with caution promote this b.s. at this point. You only put yourself in a bad light.
Please don't try and lure people on to the mailing list of this man with false hopes and dreams about some millions cometh. He has to prove himself at this point because the vision of what he presented in the beginning is not something to be brought into at this point.
There is better opportunity to be had, and I'd say it away from this niche completely, but either way it's not in TCA.
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#133 · Posted: 14 May 2011 21:10 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
PassiveMike: Some NFL Players are endorsing TCA, including two Super Bowl Champions. Many more touted celebs and so-called recognizable Business Executives.
Celebrity endorsements?
You're kidding, right?!?
PassiveMike: I think the founder has many things up his sleeve than some posters here realize.
Oh, he's got some things 'up his sleeve' alright!
PassiveMike: But this is an actual FREE "apparent" BizOpp and we cannot loose money.
Time IS money, and you're losing it pal!
Anyone still wasting their precious time on earth with TCA, that is.
Anyone but John Milanoski, I might add.
I am sure HE will be gettin' paid!!
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#134 · Posted: 14 May 2011 21:36 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
PassiveMike: I still recommend building a team of free customers so when official launch happens (if), you can be positioned to grow a larger team and earn more commissions.
More commissions?
From free customers???
Of course, no one has earned ANY commissions yet.
And free customers??
Well, I guess that makes this statement an oxymoron within a dream!
PassiveMike: The Founder seems to be concentrating on technology upgrades to handle his projected 10 million users by year's end.
Well, he sure isn't 'concentrating' on actually getting the ONE TRILLION DOLLARS worth of coupons he'll need to sell, to get these TEN MILLION MEMBERS paid on those etherial '5 levels'...
The only 'user' here is John M.
The rest of the current membership is gettin' used!
PassiveMike: He also spent three days with some Hollywood Branding Expert...so an actual name change is forthcoming as well as a new logo.
Oh yes, let's not forget that!
A hollywood makeover.
The internet equivalent of a fresh coat of paint and a new sign!
Anyway, at least we know where the $75,000+ in collected co-op charges went...
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#135 · Posted: 15 May 2011 11:23
93,000 sign-ups currently (in what, 6 months?), and he expects to hit ten million by the end of the year? Seriously???
Disappointing - more vague promises. "Some NFL players" - but no names. "Many more touted celebs and so-called recognizable Business Executives." - again no names. In a previous post it was said that several major banks were interested - but no names.
And I can't help think that the name change is because the name The Customer Advantage has built up quite a negative reputation. Running away from the name and trying to start promoting it again with a new name may work...a little bit. It's just too easy to find information online - people will connect the new name with The Customer Advantage and learn its background.
I am an "actual member" - I signed up at about the 49,000 mark. And I am an optimistic postive thinker about most things, but I have become really disappointed and wary about TCA - not just with the delays, but with the way all the hype has been and continues to be presented. Hype is usually a substitute for actual content; what I keep hearing here just keeps waving those red flags around.
I have said this before: I hope that I am completely wrong. I hope TCA - under whatever name - gets its act together and fulfills everyone's hopes. But I am not holding my breath until that happens.
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#136 · Posted: 15 May 2011 14:33 · Edited by: FreeCashMan
circleb: I can't help think that the name change is because the name The Customer Advantage has built up quite a negative reputation.
There nothing wrong with the name. This dude is looking for a new way to hustle more new people. Oldest trick in the book of a scam artist. The only way you'd know he wasn't potentially scamming if he changed the name and it stated formally known as The Customer Advantage.
Even if this owner got this going, I'm not sure it would be wise to do business with him.
Where's those co-op ad dollars he took? Refund until you get this biz in motion if TCA is not about lies and deceit!
Seek fortunes where it is known to exist not on hopes of nothingness.
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#137 · Posted: 16 May 2011 19:28
I have read all the comments here and I will say you guys have made TCA out to be a bad thing and some of you still have hopes.
Well I joined on Jan 11 with ID#3877 and I am nothing but a minnow in the sea of mlm/networking. I now as of today have personally enrolled 41 people and have seen an average of 40.25% growth per month so far.
IF you guys will call in on Thursday evenings and get the updates you will know what is going on. YES I could tell you what those are here but if you really want to know you will go log in to your backoffice and go listen to the recorded calls. YOU may just learn something.
I can't guarantee you that TCA will become all it says it will... BUT only time will tell. But I do know this though... I own 2 traditional businesses and know what it takes to open the doors of a business that you want to be around for years. One of my businesses is on it's 57th year in business. SO I KNOW I know what I am talking about... John has to make sure every I is dotted and every T is crossed before he opens the doors if he wants TCA to succeed. Let's give him that opportunity.
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#138 · Posted: 17 May 2011 15:57
Really: IF you guys will call in on Thursday evenings and get the updates you will know what is going on. YES I could tell you what those are here but if you really want to know you will go log in to your backoffice and go listen to the recorded calls. YOU may just learn something.
Don't need to listen, let me guess.
Don't give up the dream as this phenomenal opportunity is just about to explode. For those of you who have the vision and can see what potential John's vision will bring to us, you will be rewarded. I commend you for not listening to those negative people who don't want you to succeed, and pray that all of us christians will continue to do God's work in helping others. There are great things to come with this phenomenal company and we just want to make sure we do this right. It is coming soon and we will be the biggest most successful MLM in history. May God bless you.
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#139 · Posted: 18 May 2011 00:08
I listened to the audio of the call in the back office. I sat through 30 minutes of what turned out to be just a sales presentation, and when he said he would be taking calls and answering questions the recording ended. I didn't have the time to sit through any more of that.
I do like the idea that TCA presents, or I wouldn't have signed up for it. I do believe that some day it could be a significant money earner, as a long term vision. But as I began reading this thread, and especially the updates from the inner circle people, I began to see the red flags. It wasn't the delays that bothered me the most, it was the exaggerated hype that people were using, and the pretty unrealistic figures of earnings that were projected.
I used to work for a company that did sales training, so I am familiar with how sales presentations are crafted and offered. I have also been a purchasing manager, and been on the receiving end of many sales presentations. I know what to look for when evaluating one. You have to listen *beyond* what is being said. The presenter will direct your attention to what they want you to hear, and direct you away from what they don't want your attention on.
When TCA gives updates that include things like "Many notable individuals who are close to corporate recently describe TCA as 'the most revolutionary business model to appear in the last century � If not in ALL of recorded history!' " (and note that these notables are not mentioned by name) it is just a huge warning sign. I've posted about this before, and about the lack of specifics given; I won't repeat myself. But the hype is extremely off-putting, and as a purchasing manager I never would have let a salesman get away with trying to use something like that on me - or get away with offering so little specific information.
When I discovered that Moolala was offering the same type of program, I checked them out. There was no hype, just a simple statement of how the program worked. The company was already in full swing, with coupons being sent out every day. You could see from the pull-down menu exactly what cities were included so far. And for those of us who are not in those cities, there are coupons for Internet deals. It was no contest; I decided to sign up there and recommend that to people instead of The Customer Advantage.
I keep checking back here, hoping that someone will post some useful information, or that someone will say they have started receiving coupons and that TCA - or whatever its new name will be - is off and running. Still waiting...
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#140 · Posted: 18 May 2011 01:16
Charlie Mack that was very funny, and sad truth as evidence by the following.
circleb: When TCA gives updates that include things like "Many notable individuals who are close to corporate recently describe TCA as 'the most revolutionary business model to appear in the last century � If not in ALL of recorded history!' " (and note that these notables are not mentioned by name) it is just a huge warning sign.
Now this part here "the most revolutionary business model to appear in the last century � If not in ALL of recorded history!" is where one just laughs so hard they start crying!
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