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Mark_Worthen
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#81 · Posted: 16 Mar 2008 12:22
Hi Danny,
I'm not going to flame you; I'll simply respond with my viewpoint in a polite, respectful manner.
Quoting: web20mentor Hi guys In my line of work, I speak with a handful of CCP reps every week. And I participate in a mastermind group with one or two of the CCP affiliates who are commenting on this thread. Here are my 2 cents: Carbon Copy is a competitive business model. What do I mean? At some point, the winners will be those that are willing to spend the most and the quickest. Period.
Certainly, the more money you have to advertise, all other things being equal, the faster you can grow your business. That is true for any business.
Quoting: web20mentor That type of system will work...but the time MUST come when it prices the average guy out...or the overwhelming amount of banners and reps that is circulating will simply thin out the possible income. And I am hearing from some that it has already happened.[u][/u]
This is the "saturation argument," i.e., that you can't make money in a network marketing or direct sales business if the market is "saturated." The problem with the saturation argument, at least as you are applying it, is that you are looking only at one narrow spectrum of potential customers or business partners: the Internet marketing crowd.
Internet marketers are a small percentage of the potential market for this (and other) home businesses. One of the mistakes inexperienced marketers make is that they do what everyone else is doing and then come to the false conclusion that the market is too saturated.
For example, they do some PPC advertising via Google Adwords and see lots of ads for Carbon Copy Pro and they falsely conclude that "the market is saturated." What they don't realize is that there are dozens of different ways to advertise (including other PPC programs), some of which are underutilized and therefore present a great opportunity to reach a targeted market without much (or any) competition. These alternative advertising methods are also less expensive.
The saturation argument is often used to persuade prospects to join a "ground floor" opportunity, without mentioning the fact that the vast majority of new companies don't make it beyond a year or two.
The fact is that people join established, long-lived network marketing companies every day and the most committed of them go on to earn a nice part-time or even full-time income representing a company that is supposedly "saturated" with distributors.
I did that with USANA Health Sciences, which I still represent for customer sales only, although CCPro is my primary business (because the commissions are higher and I don't need to manage a huge organization).
Quoting: web20mentor You got the top earners telling you to join them and learn how they did it but they are doing it by simply spending the most to advertise.
I agree with you here, i.e., that there are some successful CCPro members who spend thousands of dollars a month on advertising, make a lot of sales, and may not have much personal experience with low-cost advertising methods.
But that is not true of all successful Consultants. I have a limited ad budget but I'm doing fairly well. I even tell you my exact numbers for revenue, expenses, and profit on my CCPro Blog so you can see what I mean.
And I know many other Consultants with limited ad budgets who have drawn upon their own creativity and drive to become successful (isn't that the way it is for almost all successful entrepreneurs?)
Finally, keep in mind that more advertising = more sales in any business.
Quoting: web20mentor I am speaking to a guy right now that just got into CCP and I just text him and asked him "so how is CCP going?" He text back "I have made one sale (from the initial batch of leads I bought and cold called) and none since then...I need LEADS!" He went on to tell me that Jay actually says in the training that if you don't have a ton of money to buy leads, that you should go put business cards in books at the bookstore!!! LOL! See, he doesn't have $5K per month to advertise. So his upline simply says "go read the training". THAT is what a competitive business model is. Money and timing are key parts of the success.
This is essentially an extension of your argument, which I have responded to above, although I do have a couple of comments.
First, as you know, one person's experience does not predict how someone else will perform. Thus, because the gentleman with whom you spoke was having trouble generating leads, it doesn't mean that all new Consultants will have the same problem.
Second, I wouldn't denigrate "guerrilla marketing" methods such as the one mentioned by Jay. A lot of start-up businesses have flourished as a result of guerrilla marketing. Plus, you mention only one out of many, many free and low-cost methods Jay and others recommend considering.
Quoting: web20mentor In a creative business model, money and timing do not matter. ANYONE can be successful even if they cannot pay for expensive leads or Google adwords.
You don't define a "creative business model." I'm not sure how you can argue it's better when the reader doesn't know what it is.
Quoting: web20mentor That's why I learned how to market BEFORE I did something like CCP.
It's a good idea to learn how to market before and during any business. I don't think that's unique to CCPro.
Quoting: web20mentor I know that CCP reps will flame me but the truth is that it's the same old thing with a fresh new look.
By "same old thing" you mean "it's a business that requires commitment, patience, and persistence" then I would agree because that is true of all businesses.
On the other hand, there are some unique aspects to the CCPro system and I have to give the owners credit for what I call their "continuous improvement program," i.e., they are constantly adding, modifying, and refining the system, largely based on feedback from the field.
All the Best,
Mark
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#82 · Posted: 16 Mar 2008 12:40
Quoting: rameez321 Hi guys .. its good you guys are discussing stuff .. ok i feel the program is not too generous when it come to compensation !! there are others which are offering so much more !!! anyways thats just my view !! tak care !! cheers !! Rameez Blogger- [Link removed - Admin] email - [email protected]Skype- rameez321
Of course, you promote a 3-up system in which you have to give the commission you make from your first three sales to your sponsor.
With CarbonCopyPRO you earn a $1000 to $4000 commission with your first sale. You get paid first, i.e., your customer or new Consultant sends the money to you and you, in turn, send the wholesale amount to the company.
You do not have to "pass up" any sales.
Best Regards,
Mark
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#83 · Posted: 16 Mar 2008 14:26
Quoting: rameez321 Ok firstly let me tell you i am not here to debate which program is better cuz it really doesnt matter wht i say .. the decision of the BUYER is wht matters !! so let me tell you about that FIGURE which you showed 1000$ to 4000$ .. if it was so easy making a sale and earn that much then i wouldnt have been 49 dollars !! ill explain exactly wht i meant .. for that figure to actually take effect you will have to be in this program for a good while and promote it !! its not that simple and fancy as you say (1000$ to 4000$) .. also the process has to be supervised all the time you are earning ..m just puttin my views on it as a BUYER !! One more thing as you spoke about my program , ill tell you yes the 1st 3 sales do go to your sponsor .. but after your fourth sale you will not be required to do ANYTHING !! cuz he will make the sales for you and the sales made by him will get theri 1st three sales for you and it continues .. all this with just one direct sale !! Now in this possibility one sale can get you unlimited money !! and getting 3 sales is very easy .. i will NOT have to make any phone calls , nor will i have to learn about talking to people on the phone , nor will i be mailing generated emails like CARBON COPY PRO !! m just puttin my views down !! this will be one on one via mail or chat .. and people who are know wht i am saying would automatically be interested in the deal !! cuz they know the plus points of it !! anyways i am just laying down facts and this is not any debate or competition with your program !! plz dnt get me wrong .. m not in this forum to promote my program .. m here to express my self and share my views and suggestions .. and also help people in the best way i can !! hope i made my self clear .. again plz dnt get me wrong !!! i wish you all the best for your efforts and endeavors !! Regards !! Rameez !!
You say that you are "not here to debate which program is better." However, you said in your first post:
ok i feel the program is not too generous when it come to compensation !! there are others which are offering so much more !!!
I replied to your first post because I felt your claim was both inaccurate and incomplete.
Having said that, I'll take you at your word that you are not here to debate. Therefore, I won't respond directly to any of the comparisons you made between CarbonCopyPRO and your program other than to note that for someone who says he's not debating the merits of his program versus another, you sure make a lot of comparisons between the two. 
Sincerely,
Mark
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#84 · Posted: 17 Mar 2008 02:01
Quoting: rameez321 hope you understand that i have nutin against you !! i sincerely wish you all the very best in your efforts mr mark !! warm regards ! rameez
And I wish you the best as well, rameez.
Peace,
Mark
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#85 · Posted: 17 Mar 2008 23:49 · Edited by: Astral Highway
Hey Rameez,
The NES program you mention certainly is a tempting carrot, though it is most definitely, for me, an opportunity I will look into once I have my CarbonCopyPRO marketing system up and running. For me, CCPRO is the way to go and will be my main platform for online success, though I have checked out the NES website and will definitely consider it as a possible 'future venture'.
PS: Have you started your own thread with NES in this forum? If not, then it would be a great time to start! (Just a thought).
To your success,
Torsten.
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stanley
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#86 · Posted: 18 Mar 2008 22:36
So what is it exactly that is sold with ccp? Is it just the selling of memberships to ccp? I think I am missing something.
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#87 · Posted: 20 Mar 2008 14:44
stanley: So what is it exactly that is sold with ccp? Is it just the selling of memberships to ccp? I think I am missing something.
Hi Stanley,
CarbonCopyPRO is a marketing system for a leading direct sales company. You do earn some affiliate commissions with CCPro but those are simply to help you offset advertising expenses (the "funded proposal" idea).
If you submit a CarbonCopyPRO application and it is approved, you gain access to a private, Applicants-Only web site that provides the information you are curious about.
Or you can surf around the 'Net and find the answer. But if you are seriously considering the business, I'd recommend submitting an application so you see how the system works.
Best Regards,
Mark
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#88 · Posted: 20 Mar 2008 23:25 · Edited by: brazilfarmer
Mark_Worthen: Or you can surf around the 'Net and find the answer. But if you are seriously considering the business, I'd recommend submitting an application so you see how the system works.
Do you mean you can find exactly the same information elsewhere, for free?
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#89 · Posted: 21 Mar 2008 00:25 · Edited by: Mark_Worthen
brazilfarmer: Do you mean you can find exactly the same information elsewhere, for free?
No, sorry, I can see how the way I phrased that could be misleading.
What I mean is that if all a person wants to do is find out the name of the direct sales company, you can do some Googling to accomplish that goal.
The point of requiring a paid application is not that the company name is a state secret, the idea is to screen out people who are not serious about owning a business.
As a result, you do not have to spend a ton of time answering questions from people who are merely curious and have no intention to start a home-based enterprise. It's one of many reasons why CarbonCopyPRO is such an efficient, effective marketing tool.
Best Regards,
Mark
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#90 · Posted: 22 Mar 2008 13:05
If you dont have money to invest in advertising, that is OK.
It will force you to learn all the "free" methods of driving
traffic to your website. This will make you a stronger
marketer. You will be amazed at how many methods that
can be used to create leads that you paid absolutely nothing
for. In fact, I have money for advertising but prefer to
generate free leads. It has become my specialty!
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#91 · Posted: 22 Mar 2008 14:02
paulk: If you dont have money to invest in advertising, that is OK. It will force you to learn all the "free" methods of driving traffic to your website. This will make you a stronger marketer. You will be amazed at how many methods that can be used to create leads that you paid absolutely nothing for. In fact, I have money for advertising but prefer to generate free leads. It has become my specialty!
That's awesome Paul! In general, what are some of the free advertising sources that have worked best for you?
By the way, I don't expect you to share exact sources, because I'm sure you've worked hard to research and find them--and that information has a high value.
Folks reading this thread who are interested in CarbonCopyPRO but don't have a lot of funds for advertising would do well to sign up with someone like Paul who has extensive experience in that area.
Don't get me wrong, I love it when people join my CarbonCopyPRO team too but it's important to find a sponsor that can give you the assistance you most need.
All the Best,
Mark
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#92 · Posted: 25 Mar 2008 20:18
Yes, free advertising works. That's why you can join carbon copy pro without a large advertising budget. You can learn to send traffic to your website with free traffic exchanges, free classified ads and many other methods. Carbon copy pro gives us a dream team of sales people that make our sales for us. This allows us to focus all of our efforts on driving traffic to our website.
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#93 · Posted: 26 Mar 2008 22:48
well one thing for sure, carbon copy pro is definitely not for the newbies just starting out in the internet marketing world like me because it requires that we have a good enough upfront investment to make in order to get going...
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#94 · Posted: 31 Mar 2008 18:19
Hi Everyone
I am pretty sure I want to start CarbonCopyPro but I am a little bit confused about what it does. i understand how to register and the easy stuff but I am confused about what the whole goal is. Are we supposed to be selling product or just selling the programs. From what it seems is that you are starting the the program and to earn money you advertise to generate leads, these leads then either pay the application fee and go on to purchase one of the programs. Is there something after that you are actualy trying to sell or did I basically sum it up right there.
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#95 · Posted: 1 Apr 2008 15:05
What are some of your strategies for free advertising
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taktechnology
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#96 · Posted: 1 Apr 2008 17:38
Hello,
I actually got a post card from Carbon Copy Pro and am interested but I am just wondering what they do? or what you do to make money? Maybe I am just not seeing what is right in front of me but any information would be great.
Thanks
Kristin
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#97 · Posted: 1 Apr 2008 21:28
Carbon Copy Pro is the marketing system that we use to promote
our top tier program which has the best products on the market.
You can go through the carbon copy pro system to learn all about the company that we market. If someone new joins who does not have an advertising budget, then I show them all the free ways to market. If they have some money to advertise, then we can go a little bit faster. Either way you will succeed.
Someone who is brand new can learn to drive traffic to the carbon copy pro marketing system and will do very well.
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#98 · Posted: 2 Apr 2008 03:11 · Edited by: Mark_Worthen
Mike Joseph: Hi Everyone I am pretty sure I want to start CarbonCopyPro but I am a little bit confused about what it does. i understand how to register and the easy stuff but I am confused about what the whole goal is. Are we supposed to be selling product or just selling the programs. From what it seems is that you are starting the the program and to earn money you advertise to generate leads, these leads then either pay the application fee and go on to purchase one of the programs. Is there something after that you are actualy trying to sell or did I basically sum it up right there.
Hi Mike,
Welcome to the forum. 
You earn income from several income streams:
1) Affiliate commissions associated with paid application fees (commission is $14 to $20)
2) Affiliate commissions associated with your team members use of the CarbonCopyPRO Marketing System ($30 per month per team member)
3) Sales of the 1st-level product of the Top Tier Direct Sales company you represent ($800 to $1000 per sale)
4) Many people who purchase the first product, decide they want to purchase the 2nd product. You earn $4000 to $5000 per sale of the 2nd product if you are qualified.
5) You earn residual (override) commissions on the sales of your direct sign ups ($300 to $1500 or more per sale)
6) If one of your team members hasn't qualified for the 2nd level but you have, and they make a sale of the 1st and 2nd product, they earn the commission for the first product and you earn the commission for the 2nd product sale. ($4000 to $5000 per sale)
7) You earn a commission for referrals to one of the financial services companies with whom our primary company is associated ($500 to $2000 per successful referral)
8) If you wish, you can earn affiliate commissions by monetizing your list--We teach you how to do that.
9) In the future, stock options and other sources of income are possible.
I wish you massive success in whichever business you decide to join. 
All the Best,
Mark
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#99 · Posted: 2 Apr 2008 07:35
Hi Mike,
I am new to carbon copy, so cannot rave about it to much yet. What I would recomend however is to sign up to Mike Dillards Magnetic Sponsoring affiliate program BEFORE you sign up to CCPro.
This will give you a headstart with generating leads when you do sign up to CCPro and significantly reduce your learning curve.
Even if you have signed up to CCPro, Magnetic Sponsoring could still prove useful.
Mattyc.
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#100 · Posted: 2 Apr 2008 21:43
markm: There have been a couple of posts here regarding the funding to get started with Carbon Copy Pro. They have just released a document based on a training call that contains information regarding how to locate funds to get started. While I am not advocating using credit to get started, the document does contain information that "new" people may want to consider. To get the document you can PM me or another member. Hope this helps, Mark
Hello,
Does anyone have this document? I would like to start but need to figure out how to fund it. Any information would be great.
Thanks
Kristin
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