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#21 · Posted: 21 Oct 2007 17:03
Hi Kim
I'm sure you're not 
All I meant really was that even if it is a good system.. and I have no reason to believe otherwise  .. it is still maybe not something 'easy' for new marketers to get involved in... didnt mean to dis your thing just like you said 'caveat emptor'...
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#22 · Posted: 21 Oct 2007 19:55
Quoting: kim_ward I can say there is no need to spend 3kto see results. There are so resources available, andone can get with someone to help guide them accordingto their budget.
This is exactly the problem I had with RFS.... the promise from Ty Coughlin is that "I will show you exactly what ads to place and where to place them." Well, that's not at all the case, in fact Ty Coughlin is 2 up from me and I have never heard from him once. My direct sponsor I heard from only one time... he wanted to make sure my credit card payment was submitted. Haven't heard from him since. What you get are some banner ads and a list of websites you can buy advertising on.
I do have to say that the back office is pretty detailed and good for keeping track of which ads are working and which ones are not, but most of the other features I find to be great for the experienced marketer. Not to say that eventually these tools wouldn't come in handy, just that it would take time for a newer person to grasp.
So, I would say that RFS is no different from anything else if you don't have support from your sponsor and upline. Unless you have a current list to market to you'll more than likely struggle a bit at first... nothing wrong with that if you can afford to test, test and test... until you get results.
With GRN's comp plan it makes all the sense in the world to support your downline all you can. I can't, for the life of me figure out how someone could sign up a new affiliate, make their $1,000 and then never lend any support what-so-ever. I don't get it!
If you're thinking of joining RFS... do your due diligence first... I wish I had. Nobody's fault but my own.
Scott
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#23 · Posted: 21 Oct 2007 23:08
Scott,
You are correct. It is a darn shame that you do not feel like you got the support you needed to make an impact. I have been VERY lucky because I have found plenty of people to help, when I have asked. I also like the test, test, and test theory. I must have just found a cheaper way to do it, because I have not spent more than $1,000. in marketing or web stuff. I have put a lot of time and learing into t. Still trying to get the whole blogging thing! LOL!
I like guidance but I enjoy the creativity even more. In the end it is MY business and I have found or created enough resources to be productive. I also pass along this informtion and exchange ideas with others. Not just the one's in my group but with people from other teams.
Wish you the best! I know RFS is not for everyone but there is no reason why people should not help each other. Best wishes to all and if you choose to get in on the reverse funnel system and feel you need some ideas or just a few place to advertise, email me. I am always willing to help RFS people with advertising and marketing. In the end it is their business and it is up to them to do the work. I just don't think that people should have to do it alone.
This is a great business for people that already have a presence on the web or experience in online marketing. For the new people, it is important to advertise and market as much as possible while spending as little as possible. That can be tricky so many of us do what we can to help. That is why we have TrueRFS, to make sure we stay true to ourselves and each other. It's a partnership and I want my partners to be succesful and in turn I stay succesful.
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#24 · Posted: 22 Oct 2007 01:30 · Edited by: bizmentor
you are right, Scott- the key is to do your due diligence. I happen to have had a horrible experience with the RFS - but it did lead me to a wonderful product in the Global Resorts Network product and compensation plan. I would hate for many to do as I have and have to go to two memberships in order to see the vast difference in the RFS vs. other marketing systems and strategies out there.
So, Kim, I guess this is where we respectfully disagree. I want for people to learn from people's experience like Scott and I had where the RFS was overpromised and underdelivered and simply for the few at the top and realize with this compensation plan the way to true and lasting income is to go deep and with integrity by helping your downline succeed and you will reap the rewards, exponentially! (How can you do that if you never even know what the needs of your downline are until they join- if your $$$$$'s of marketing dollars ever even put someone in your downline- which mine never did!) As for me, I find it much more rewarding helping people succeed, and with this comp plan, that philosophy pays off to those that help others succeed! Those like minded individuals are who I want to help!
Oh, and being able to guarantee some initial sales does not hurt either! (contact me for details, we realize for any network marketer the initial capital outlay needs to be returned asap to start making money!)
To all of your success! Chad
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#25 · Posted: 22 Oct 2007 18:22
Good post Chad! I will keep helping my partners in the reverse funnel system because that is what will ensure my own success. It's called "doing the right thing" and too many people get involved and just look at others as a sale. Each person that joins with me is a partner and I want them to have the same resources and input that I have. It's about integrity. Seems to be lost at times when people hide behind the computer.
Good for you! Hope you keep helping others.
Stirling
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#26 · Posted: 23 Oct 2007 01:08 · Edited by: bizmentor
I have a question for you, True. If this is your mindset and philosophy how do you think the absent approach of the RFS is the way to go? I will be honest, I did not know this when I went that direction, and when I figured it out I left- asap. I simply do not have it in me to sell any opportunity knowing the "product" that was presented is overpromised.
I know that the GRN product is very strong. I know the pay plan is killer if you will have the discipline to grow deep. What I could not reconcile is the lack of , let's call it "delivery" of what was promised to me in the "sales cycle" of RFS.
I can tell you this- I have people daily who are with RFS who are realizing the same thing I did and they are contacting us and are moving over to a team that has different values- and that is not meant as any sales ploy, whatsoever.
In fact, I do not ever, ever sell the concept. I present the facts and fill people's needs. The missing link with RFS is noone even knows the needs of their prospects that are looking for an answer. Personally, I just not find that to be a viable business model or in keeping with my value system.
Chad
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#27 · Posted: 23 Oct 2007 03:59 · Edited by: RealityBytes
Hi, I'm new here, I actrually found this place because I'm looking for further information specifically on Global Resorts Network and RFS.
Here is my take so far... I was in on a 'marketing call' from RFS (that I wasn't supposed to hear apparently - a couple callers said they hadn't signed up yet and had questions, and Ty told them they should listen to the testimonial call instead, the next morning), and I was somewhat taken aback by the claim by Ty himself that he "doesn't understand the system itself, it just makes money". I looked on his site and a few others but couldn't find specifics on either the product (I did eventually, but it wasn't easy) or the specifics of the compensation (until I followed a link that I found here actually!).
After following those links, however, I definitely WAS impressed, by both the product and the plan... but I still don't know which part of the "System" is from GRN and which part is RFS. But it doesn't matter really, because after watching the plan video at GRN, I can see it definitely is NOT a pyramid scheme!
But I think the people are still important that you sign on with, and although Ty may be a fine gentleman, I'm not entirely comfortable with the answer "don't try to understand it, trust me it works".
On top of that, when I did listen to the testimonials call the next morning, I'm pretty sure I recognized the voice of Doug Wellen, (Ty's partner?) as sounding a lot like Don LaPre, who has a pretty distinctive voice (you know, the guy from the 'Making Money Secrets' infomercials 5 or 10 years back?). I am not claiming that it is definitely him, because I don't know for sure - does anyone else know?
In any event, I do plan to sign up with GRN but I don't know if RFS is the right path (and I don't have the requisite $3k at the moment either, but soon will...)
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#28 · Posted: 23 Oct 2007 07:54
Chad, one cannot move over to another team, it's
against GRN rules. Trust me, we have people from
other teams call all the time that want to join team
AFL, and although we'd love to have them, we cannot
just move them in, it's unethical.
As many who are in RFS know, the support in RFS is
incredible. One even has access to Ty on the calls if they'd
like.
So, if one needs support, and they cannot get a hold of
their sponsor, all they need to do is come to the calls
and they'll get it.
I believe in supporting people 100%, but to put blame
on one's sponsor when they have access to all this
help, even from Ty himself, is just not taking responsibility
for one's success.
So I ask, who would you rather associate with, people who
take the bull by the horns, or people who lead you to
believe their failure is someone else's fault?
Cheers,
Kim
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#29 · Posted: 23 Oct 2007 08:21
Quoting: RealityBytes Hi, I'm new here, I actrually found this place because I'm looking for further information specifically on Global Resorts Network and RFS. Here is my take so far... I was in on a 'marketing call' from RFS (that I wasn't supposed to hear apparently - a couple callers said they hadn't signed up yet and had questions, and Ty told them they should listen to the testimonial call instead, the next morning), and I was somewhat taken aback by the claim by Ty himself that he "doesn't understand the system itself, it just makes money". I looked on his site and a few others but couldn't find specifics on either the product (I did eventually, but it wasn't easy) or the specifics of the compensation (until I followed a link that I found here actually!). After following those links, however, I definitely WAS impressed, by both the product and the plan... but I still don't know which part of the "System" is from GRN and which part is RFS. But it doesn't matter really, because after watching the plan video at GRN, I can see it definitely is NOT a pyramid scheme! But I think the people are still important that you sign on with, and although Ty may be a fine gentleman, I'm not entirely comfortable with the answer "don't try to understand it, trust me it works". On top of that, when I did listen to the testimonials call the next morning, I'm pretty sure I recognized the voice of Doug Wellen, (Ty's partner?) as sounding a lot like Don LaPre, who has a pretty distinctive voice (you know, the guy from the 'Making Money Secrets' infomercials 5 or 10 years back?). I am not claiming that it is definitely him, because I don't know for sure - does anyone else know? In any event, I do plan to sign up with GRN but I don't know if RFS is the right path (and I don't have the requisite $3k at the moment either, but soon will...)
Hi RB, welcome to the forum. First I can say that is not Don,
but Doug does have as much energy...lol
I think you may have misunderstood Ty. He does understand
how the system works, but maybe he meant sometimes
we do not know something works.
The physcology in marketing can be complex, so maybe it
was just easier to have the new people listen to a call, not
sure, I was not there.
One can come in as a Gold or Platinum GRN member to use
the RFS.
RFS is a system used to sell GRN, created by a team in
Global Resorts called the inner circle. GRN did not help
put this system together, but GRN does offer other
systems to use.
You may just want to join GRN, test out a few systems
first, then decide if you want to add RFS after that.
Hope that helps,
Kim
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#30 · Posted: 23 Oct 2007 08:39
Hi Stirling,
Were you on the call last night where that person
who was in for 6 days...has spent $50.00 in
advertising already made a sale!
I think the is the best RFS story yet, and goes to show
results will vary...as they always do in marketing.
Cheers,
Kim
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#31 · Posted: 23 Oct 2007 11:28
Kim,
I met a guy on other forum who spend $25 on a simple adster ad
and brought a sale!
And we try to be so sophisticated!
Thomas
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#32 · Posted: 23 Oct 2007 11:31
The challenge with the "results will vary" approach is there are a lot more people who have spent thousands on marketing costs with the RFS and still do not have a single, solitary sale to show for it.
I am much more into taking control of my own business and having a duplicatable and predictable system to succeed. Yes, I have read those claims about 35% conversion rates- but I am here to tell you that my experience is more like .004%- and that was just to get past the first page! With zero sales! (and I have talked to many more people who had the same experience with RFS)
Reality, please check your pm- I am happy to explain the difference between RFS and GRN. It is not at all true that the only (or that matter the best) way to gain access to the tremendous product and comp plan is with the RFS. It is very important to look at your different options and then choose the one that is best for your individual circumstances.
The internet is becoming filled with stories well documented about no support and no sales from people spending thousands on advertising that did not work. Fortunately, there are also folks out there who will share what actually does work, even pass down some sales to help you get started which can work with this compensation plan (to build deep and build residual income off of others efforts that you personally helped train). That is where the real power comes in with this comp plan. The #1 problem with RFS is you do not even get to show the wonderful product to your prospects.... and most people never even talk to anyone so they do not get the information they need to make an intelligent choice.
As for spending $ 50 and happening to get a sale... we have team members not spending a dime more than their initial membership cost and making more than one sale! In fact, most recover their costs very quickly without spending any more money- and then we teach them how to reinvest in their business to add more!
It is all about doing your Due Diligence. Let me know if I can help you!
To your success!
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#33 · Posted: 23 Oct 2007 11:44
Quoting: bizmentor The challenge with the "results will vary" approach is there are a lot more people who have spent thousands on marketing costs with the RFS and still do not have a single, solitary sale to show for it.
There is no challenge with that Chad, it's the honest truth in
marketing.
Is there a way for you to stay on topic and not talk about
what your team offers? Would love to have a discussion
without a sales pitch.
If what you have is working so well, no need to keep bringing
that up in a RFS thread, now is there?
Thanks,
Kim
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#34 · Posted: 23 Oct 2007 11:48
Quoting: SirThomas Kim, I met a guy on other forum who spend $25 on a simple adster ad and brought a sale! And we try to be so sophisticated! Thomas __________________ Thomas
Ho Thomas, nice to bump into you here.
No, no need to try and be sophisticated!
Speaking of which, did you hear that guy on today's
call that uses mostly free advertising?
$136.00 spent in ads = $26,000 profit.
Do you remember how many weeks he has been in, I think
it was six.
You have to love free advertising!
Cheers,
Kim
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#35 · Posted: 23 Oct 2007 12:41
Quoting: RealityBytes Here is my take so far... I was in on a 'marketing call' from RFS (that I wasn't supposed to hear apparently - a couple callers said they hadn't signed up yet and had questions, and Ty told them they should listen to the testimonial call instead, the next morning), and I was somewhat taken aback by the claim by Ty himself that he "doesn't understand the system itself, it just makes money". I looked on his site and a few others but couldn't find specifics on either the product (I did eventually, but it wasn't easy) or the specifics of the compensation (until I followed a link that I found here actually!).After following those links, however, I definitely WAS impressed, by both the product and the plan... but I still don't know which part of the "System" is from GRN and which part is RFS. But it doesn't matter really, because after watching the plan video at GRN, I can see it definitely is NOT a pyramid scheme!But I think the people are still important that you sign on with, and although Ty may be a fine gentleman, I'm not entirely comfortable with the answer "don't try to understand it, trust me it works".On top of that, when I did listen to the testimonials call the next morning, I'm pretty sure I recognized the voice of Doug Wellen, (Ty's partner?) as sounding a lot like Don LaPre, who has a pretty distinctive voice (you know, the guy from the 'Making Money Secrets' infomercials 5 or 10 years back?).
Welcome to the forum... I hope you are finding much useful information here to help in your decision...
Your Don LaPre line was funny, but I really don't think he and Doug Wellens are the same person; although they have a similar hypie type sales pitch vibe about them. I've actually spoken to Doug and he seems to be a real nice guy.... just really happy I guess.
Nothin' wrong with that!
Congratulations for doing your due diligence! Getting on an RFS call before jumping in (if you can) is a great idea. Nothing like really taking a look under the hood and kicking some tires.
The idea that "you have access to Ty on the calls if you like" is funny to me because there is never a time that anyone talks to him except when asked to do a testimonial or if you are one of the other "leaders" of the Inner Circle. These calls are certainly not based around questions and answers. I think I've only missed 3 or 4 of the 9pm "training" calls since I started and the calls never seem to change much.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Ty is a really busy guy and I don't blame him for not being accessible on the calls. The calls would go on for hours, I'm sure.
I do think it's a great idea for interested people to get on a few of these calls and listen in for themselves. Who knows, you may like what you hear.... but get used to it, because you're going to hear alot of it.
That's my take,
Scott
Now, if I could just find my keys!
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#36 · Posted: 23 Oct 2007 13:02
Quoting: traveldude The idea that "you have access to Ty on the calls if you like" is funny to me because there is never a time that anyone talks to him except when asked to do a testimonial or if you are one of the other "leaders" of the Inner Circle. These calls are certainly not based around questions and answers. I think I've only missed 3 or 4 of the 9pm "training" calls since I started and the calls never seem to change much.
Scott, do you go to Monday night calls? He was there last
night helping new people.
Also, there are 2 other RFS help and training calls besides
the nightly 9pm calls. They even call your leads for you, if you
ask. If you need access to that info, just send me a message.
Cheers,
Kim
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#37 · Posted: 23 Oct 2007 13:03 · Edited by: bizmentor
Kim-
This thread is here for discussions about the RFS- you are pitching it as the best thing since "sliced bread"- unfortunately there are a lot of people who have not had that experience at all.
People are coming to ask questions and get information- and it is ok for us to give them information. Isn't that the purpose of a forum? I am sorry if you take opposition to that. But, as you say yourself, RFS is not for everyone.
Marketing is not all a crap shoot- and it shouldn't be. Marketing is all about creating a duplicatable and predictable system for you to be able to serve your target market. I do not have to "pitch" anything- I am here to fill needs and give information. It has been said there are 175,000 new home based businesses started every day. That is a lot of folks looking for answers in their lives. Unfortunately, most fail as they are not plugged into a duplicatable and predictable system backed by quality training.
RFS has it's challenges in that you never even prequalify someone that might be joining with a simple phone conversation. As for me, I would much prefer "taking the bull by the horns" and choosing people that are serious and that we have established we have a value system fit so that I can help that person not become a statistic in the home based business arena. The latest stats indicate 97+ % fail. That is a lot of fallout- and not many have untold amounts sitting around to spend on advertising not knowing if it will pull or not or if it will convert. To me, that just does not make much sense. Remember, the RFS calls are open to all GRN distributors- so we all get to hear the horror stories and people complaining on the calls just as you do.
A thought comes to mind... people who live in glass houses don't throw rocks at others!
It is perfectly fine for me to give my experience- as others are also- I am here to try and help people succeed. There are systems on opposite sides of the spectrum within the GRN family. It is important people be able to pick the one that they are most comfortable with and will allow them the best chance to succeed.
Make it a great day!
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#38 · Posted: 23 Oct 2007 13:15
Quoting: bizmentor This thread is here for discussions about the RFS- you are pitching it as the best thing since "sliced bread"- unfortunately there are a lot of people who have not had that experience at all.
I never said that Chad, this thread is about RFS and I have
given both sides of the story. If you missed that, please check again.
I understand what marketing is, all I was saying is there are
no guarantee's that someone will make a certain amount in
a certain time frame. To tell people otherwise is wrong, and
probably against the law, so I do not go down that path,
nor do I need to.
All I was saying is that I think it's best to stay on topic Chad.
I use other systems too, but this thread is not about that.
If people want to check out what I offer, they can click on my
site, it's not hard to find.
Cheers,
Kim
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#39 · Posted: 23 Oct 2007 14:12
Quoting: kim_ward Hi RB, welcome to the forum. First I can say that is not Don, but Doug does have as much energy...lol
Hi Kim, thanks for the welcome!
Yes, it just occurred to me that Doug may simply have 'taken lessons' from Don, they both do seem to have a lot of energy and that is good! (Besides, I did like the product I got from Don, even though it was a bit outdated at the time, it was all interesting)
In any event, I will very likely be signing up soon, so far you and Terry and Chad have my attention...
I do have one other question, and I'll throw it out to everyone - has anyone here actually used the product? Was it everything it's cracked up to be?
That is what I would do, first thing! So, does anyone have a report on how they found the process of dealing with Global Resorts?
-John
p.s. - has anyone thought to offer a trial membership - i.e., sign up for $50 or $100 or whatever, and be given one of the 'guest weeks' to use? Maybe with the proviso that you can use one of theirs later, after they buy a full membership? Just a thought...
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#40 · Posted: 23 Oct 2007 14:55 · Edited by: bizmentor
Quoting: kim_ward Speaking of which, did you hear that guy on today's call that uses mostly free advertising? $136.00 spent in ads = $26,000 profit. Do you remember how many weeks he has been in, I think it was six.
Honestly, I find these kinds of claims are what discredits and taints the network marketing business. I do not think that is healthy in this industry- there is no need to hype the wonderful GRN product and comp plan. For some to read this and think it actually occurs is not a healthy thing at all, in my opinion. There are to many impressionable people that will spend money they do not have based on these kinds of statements.
The old saying "if it sounds to good to be true it probably is" comes to mind.
That is not to say you cannot do really well with this product and comp plan- but these claims of outlandish conversions are really getting far fetched these days- which is not a good thing for the industry or GRN. All one needs to do is look at other network marketing opportunities that were hyped up like this that came crashing down to see the danger it affords.
Success of this kind of money in a particular six week period is attainable if you build deep into your downline and are willing to learn and work and mentor those below you to be successful themselves- this is the cornerstone of the concept that makes network marketing tick- unfortunately for most they never realize that. Don't expect profits like that to happen in your first six weeks by never talking to anyone and only placing free ads.
Make it a great day- but do so with both your feet well grounded and your head looking forward- but not in the clouds!
Chad
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