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NavPitt
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#1 · Posted: 23 Mar 2008 10:34
Greetings everyone,
I got an email from him and it he seems to be upfront and honest. Any information would highly be appreciated! Thanks in advance!
http://www.partnerwithpaul.com
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GetGoin
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#2 · Posted: 24 Mar 2008 01:12 · Edited by: GetGoin
Hi Navpitt .. i just checked out the site .. its not at all impressive to me ..
see how its starts ..first he is saying no money involved to see the website s.. then you feed in your email id .. then surprise surprise he says you will require a training kit and shit .. before you even know wht the website is you are actually told to buy a training kit ... BULL SHIT ... then once you prolly buy that he may show you a shitty site which requries some more money to join .. you never knw ..
he starts of without telling you the whole story thats a dangerous sign ,.....if i were you i would STAY AWAY
anyways hope that was of some help to you ...
cheers..
rameez.
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TJamMoneyMan
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#3 · Posted: 24 Mar 2008 09:30 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
NavPitt: I got an email from him and it he seems to be upfront and honest.
Seems to be yes!
BUT if he were TRULY 'upfront and honest' he would tell you right off the bat that this is HERBALIFE!!
Herbalife may be a good company, but it has definitely suffered from typical MLM associated problems, at least as far as IMAGE is concerned!
That's why most MLM's won't even tell you their name until they feel they have your complete attention.
I got involved though, as far as getting the 'work at home starter kit' because, he offered to pay for the shipping. AND, he promised I'd be earning money within TWO WEEKS of receiving the 'the work at home starter kit'.
Apparently he did pay for shipping.
I got the $9.95 shipping cost refunded to my PAYPAL account.
I see no way in hell that one can make a DIME with that 'work at home starter kit' though!
He also offers some free memberships in online opps that are supposed to make money for you.
Since you won't make any money doing surveys or working an online dollar store either, you will have to pay to ship that 'work at home starter kit' BACK to where it came from - and where it BELONGS!
That's the whole of the story basically but for details:
The $9.95 'work at home starter kit' is no more than an advertisement package:
A 12 page booklet with one CD and one DVD in the inner folds.
The ENTIRE DVD is a presentation on the value of a home based business v. working for someone else.
(Does anyone already looking to do a home business really need this kind of reminder?
Seems like a waste of a DVD to me!)
The CD is an audio collection of success statements of those who got involved with OBS (online business systems - but really HERBALIFE).
The 12 page booklet partially describes this 'opportunity' in every way, except to tell you that it's HERBALIFE!
And, you won't find the word HERBALIFE mentioned in the DVD, CD, or booklet!
AMAZIN'!!
This 12 page booklet and CD/DVD will 'cost' you $39.95 if you don't return it in a 'resaleable condition'.
But I fail to see where a 12 page document (hardly even a booklet) and two discs are worth $39.95 in the first place!
I also fail to see where this is a ANY kind of 'work at home starter kit' either.
I know I can't start work at home using this kit!
'Paul' said that within 2 weeks they will ask you for $39.95 but 'you will have earned way more by that time'.
I guess this is supposed to refer to the programs he offers in conjunction with the 'partner with paul' package:
SURVEY SCOUT
FREE ONLINE DOLLAR STORE
And some other program so equally useless, I am not even going to go through the trouble of trying to re-locate the name of.
You will finally find out you are previewing HERBALIFE when your 'coach' gives you the call.
My coach was polite and informative and also mentioned that 'they' weren't taking a hard line on the return of the $39.95 'package' as to deadline or condition - just be reasonable.
That's good.
BUT THAT PACKAGE STILL AIN'T WORTH $39.95!!!
Doing HERBALIFE requires scheduling phone calls so I would reject their offer on that basis alone - which could have saved EVERYONE involved in this both time AND money, if they had simply told me that beforehand (I will have to pay to mail this package-thing back after all!).
I believe my coach was making money with HERBALIFE but, once I heard the name HERBALIFE associated with OBS - after doing some 'googling', I was turned off and hoping that I would discover something different when I received my package.
FINALLY,
Mr. 'Upfront and Honest' says that the offer expires on 'midnight or sooner' of whatever day you click on to partnerwithpaul.com.
And apparently, this 'offer' hasn't 'expired' yet!
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GetGoin
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#4 · Posted: 24 Mar 2008 10:08
GetGoin: irst he is saying no money involved to see the website s.. then you feed in your email id .. then surprise surprise he says you will require a training kit and shit .. before you even know wht the website is you are actually told to buy a training kit ... BULL SHIT ... then once you prolly buy that he may show you a shitty site which requries some more money to join .. you never knw ..
exactly what i meant this and exactly what Tjammoney man says. !!
I am glad i was right with my opinion !!
cheers ..
rameez.
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NavPitt
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#5 · Posted: 24 Mar 2008 10:52
Greetings TJamMoneyMan and GetGoin,
Thank you, I give you two a lot of respect because I was very close to working with this guy!! I hope you both receive a ton of blessings.
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#6 · Posted: 24 Mar 2008 11:32
Hey bro your welcome ... if you need anyhelp further please feel free to contact me ...
cheers ..
Rameez.
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#7 · Posted: 24 Mar 2008 17:22
Checked the site and it appears to be a Capture Page for prospects.
Some of these sites are good and can offer you valuable info, but you have to be able to read through the hype and decide if it is worth your money for the additional info.
Some are good and definately worth while, but be mindful of the fact that nothing is free (unless it is in a posting on this Forum)
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#8 · Posted: 27 Mar 2008 07:00 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
Aspire: Some are good and definately worth while, but be mindful of the fact that nothing is free (unless it is in a posting on this Forum)
Yes, I called myself being careful.
I think I was.
I just sent the package BACK yesterday.
I used a debit card that will effectively reject any 'time trial' incurred charges.
And it cost me $4.++ to mail back the package.
That was a charge I could do without BUT, there's my own edification to consider!
In light of which, I think I have developed my own 'time trial' and 'pay only for shipping and handling' related policy.
DON'T DO THEM!
Or at least have a counter to the 'time trial' and s&h liability - like a debit card instead of your credit card.
That seems to work well for me.
With MINE, you don't get charged if the money isn't in your account. And you can stop any charge from that retailer IN ADVANCE from appearing for payment.
But I got to thinking (while my life was wasting away, standing in the post office line):
Why even set yourself up for the possibility of forgetting to make the return ship, or accidentally damaging the product, or being charged in ANY way?
I'm sure this happens to a lot of people, which is their motivation in sending you the package in the first place.
Plus, they are getting PAID regardless: it sure as hell doesn't cost $9.95 to ship a 12 page doc. and two discs, all of which fit into a $3.95 priority mail envelope.
(Don't you just love the ones where they charge $19.95 s&h to mail a you a CD, or a 'free' bottle of dietary supplements?)
$9.95 ain't a lot to be sure, but at least THEY are getting some comp. for THEIR time and trouble.
YOU DON'T!
You only incur possible liability!
(And the offer almost always SUCKS!!).
Just say no...
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#9 · Posted: 27 Mar 2008 07:05
GetGoin: he starts of without telling you the whole story thats a dangerous sign
ALWAYS a dangerous sign!
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#10 · Posted: 30 Mar 2008 20:31
OMG, i cannot believe i ordered the kit...and now sadly i have passed part 1 of the package...crap...i fell for it!!!
can anyone tell me where i can ship the 'home starter kit' back...I am done with this bullshit!!!
like the specific address, because they require us to ship it back in its original condition!
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#11 · Posted: 31 Mar 2008 07:46
cricfan: I am done with this bullshit!!! like the specific address, because they require us to ship it back in its original condition!
OMG !! ..and guess what .. now you will require some more money to send it back !! so extra cost !!!
anyways i just wished tat you had seen this topic befo ordering
feel free to contact me if you need any thing !!
rameez.
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#12 · Posted: 6 Apr 2008 11:16
Cost me over $10.00 to send the DVD back. plus I'm still waiting for me refund of $9.95 So for twenty bucks I found out it" Herbilife Save you money
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#13 · Posted: 7 Apr 2008 10:36
My biggest problem with all this is the fact that they charge you for information to begin with. Maybe I am living in some glass bubble, but that just doesn't seem right.
Thanks for the information. I am sure it will be of great benefit for those who actually do a search before they sign up.
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#14 · Posted: 8 Apr 2008 02:14
dennisofnewport: So for twenty bucks I found out it" Herbilife Save you money
And HERBALIFE wonders why it has a bad image.
They do this sort of sneaky stuff,
get bad press,
then in order to get anyone to look at their "offer",
they have to do this sort of sneaky stuff...
Of course,
they'll probably blame it on the people who market their "offer".
MLM's!!
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#15 · Posted: 8 Apr 2008 14:48
I received an email from Project Payday to go to this site. I looked at it and have determined that it is nothing more than a lead generator. If you pause his video when he logs onto ROIRocket you can read the columns on his statistics report. The first account he has is for a Blockbuster Trial. I don't know what all the columns mean, but it doesn't take a genius to figure it out.
For that ad campaign he's received 2,049 clicks that has generated 257 leads. It says Number of Sales = 0. That's because if you look at Payout, he gets $50/lead or $50/person who signs up for the trial offer. $50 X 257 leads = $12,850.
Also if you go to ROIRocket's website you can read about how it sets people up who own a website with companies who pay for you to advertise for them. By looking at his statistics summary you can see that he gets paid by lead or by sale. This means that if someone clicks on a banner on one of his websites such as partnerwithpaul.com and completes the offer provided or provides personal information HE gets paid.
The other thing he talks about is the costs to run his business when he logs into his google account. If you pause the screen again you can see there are 4 ways he advertises through google. Each one is a pay-per-click ad. This means you have to pay for everytime someone clicks on your ad even if they don't follow through to the end result of providing their information or buying product. The average cost for him is $0.61/click. He also has $500-$5,000 budget per day for clicks on each account. I don't know about you but I don't have that kind of money to spend on advertising.
Also if you go to ROIRocket's website you can read about how it sets people up who own a website with companies who pay for you to advertise for them. By looking at his statistics summary you can see that he gets paid by lead or by sale. This means that if someone clicks on a banner on one of his websites such as partnerwithpaul.com and completes the offer provided or provides personal information HE gets paid.
That explains the "rebate" for the shipping costs of the marketing materials too. If he gets paid $50/person who orders the packet, he can "rebate" the buyer $9.95 and still make $40.05 minus his advertising costs.
It's the same thing Project Payday seems to offer. I guess that's why they sent me the link to Paul's website. On Project Payday they say you can make money by completing or processing "rebate" offers and canceling them before the trial period expires. You find someone like Paul who will give you a "rebate" for completing the offer and then you cancel before the end of the trial period. It doesn't cost you anything besides maybe a "shipping" charge like $1.99 or whatever and you pocket the "rebate".
Once you've done this you can branch out and make more money. You get set up with the manufacturer of the product offered and they will give you X$ for bringing them X# of people. For example they might pay you $300 for 5 people or $60/person. You offer a $20 "rebate" and get 5 people to complete the offer. Once they complete the offer you send them the $20 to their paypal account and you pocket $40/person or $200 from the manufacturer.
I do residential mortgage loans and I purchase leads from various companies. They send the personal information of people who fill out an online loan application to me so I can contact them and actually do the loan for them. I get paid closing costs from the buyer + yield spread from the lender and I pay only a small amount for the lead.
It looks to me that the only way to really make money online is to set up a bunch of websites and use ROIrocket or some company like them to find companys willing to pay you to advertise for them and set up websites like partnerwithpaul.com to mislead people into submitting their information or purchasing useless marketing materials that just tell you to find a product like Herbalife (which is a MLM company. My mother did it when i was younger.) and sell the crap out of it.
However, Paul is a good example of a Project Payday success story! He's probably one of the founders/owners.
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#16 · Posted: 11 Apr 2008 08:49 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
That's quite a bit to digest Korboy, but I think I get the gist.
I do know that 'money back guarantees', 'trial offers', etc. will produce money for the person making the 'offer'.
Why else would they even do such a thing?
How many people actually go through the trouble of getting their money back?
I have forgotten about many a trial offer or, like when my computer crashed, was simply unable to even locate the trial offer & related information, and was subsequently charged.
I wanted to return one of Ewen Chia's CRAP offers but, my computer crash came at an opportune time - for HIM!
I'd love to know the stats, but I bet there is quite a bit of money to be had in simply offering a 'trial offer', or 'money back guarantee'.
But even these online business opp.s that will return your money, even after one year of making monthly payments, if you are dissatisfied, won't return the interest they have earned on the thousands if not millions of dollars they must rake in this way.
I do know that folks, myself included, will drop a dollar a LOT faster at WALMART, Home Depot, Target and the like because of their return/customer service policies.
These types of businesses offer great value in that they honor returns - even without a receipt!
Of course you will tend to spend a lot faster in those types of stores because you feel CONFIDENT, with their buyer protection and customer service.
I applaud and patronize these types of businesses because they do honor their return and customer service policies.
BUT, what does the CON in Con-Artist refer to?
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#17 · Posted: 20 Apr 2008 16:17
Its funny how see how everyone is talking about other peoples schemes and scams, but I was wondering why eveyone has a link under their quote that leads to more schemes and scams?
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#18 · Posted: 23 Apr 2008 01:16 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
JAZZYK: Its funny how see how everyone is talking about other peoples schemes and scams, but I was wondering why eveyone has a link under their quote that leads to more schemes and scams?
I think you will find that it's not quite that simple.
You have to investigate before you call something a scam.
You have only just joined this forum.
Take some time to read and look around the site before you judge people and what they have to offer.
Everything is not a scam.
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#19 · Posted: 24 Apr 2008 01:20
I just had a look at partnerwithpaul.com out of curiosity and suspected it was for one of the big MLM's.
One thing I had to come to terms with since I started my quest for financial independence in Oct '06, is that when you are trying to start any kind of business, it is impossible not to lose money.
Think of it as a NECESSARY investment in yourself.
The one thing you can do is try to educate yourself as much as possible and only invest money that you can afford to lose.
And there are plenty of FREE survey companies out there that will pay you money. I made about $2,000 (in approx. 15 mo) this way before I spent a dime on any business opps.
Happy Hunting! If you are persistent, you will find what you are looking for, I know I did!
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#20 · Posted: 28 Apr 2008 19:54
I checked with the Bettter Business Bureau, "partner with paul" is NOT a BBB accredited business. They have ILLEGALLY posted the BBB logo to their website!!!! I hope this finds you well, and good luck trying to find a "REAL" business!!!!!
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