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#61 · Posted: 16 Dec 2007 21:33 · Edited by: Levi
Brian...
I'm sure you'll be fine... Like I said, he's a great leader.
I am wondering though what you think about those, like us, who followed for a time, kept doing what they were advised to do, lost thousands, finally made their own decisions and resigned with those unnecessary financial losses.
It's not those who have stayed that I'm concerned with. It's those sheep that were allowed to drink the brackish water, got ravaged by the wolves, lost, stuck in the thicket I'm thinking about. Those, who, like us, watched their pool of hope drained by discouraging results, a faulty business model, incomplete information.
A shepherd is responsible for his flock...Generals responsible for their troops, right? Is there any accountability for the casualties?
Just wondering...It's a valuable lesson I learned. As a leader, I have to be concerned with the losses. It's my job to minimize the casualties and lead my flock along the safest route through the valley, right?
Something to ponder, eh?
Blessings...
Levi
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#62 · Posted: 17 Dec 2007 05:11
Hey guys,any one can tell me about real work at home opp?
please i need it
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#63 · Posted: 17 Dec 2007 12:07 · Edited by: Levi
ladyinred...
Maybe I can help... Can you answer some questions?
1. What type of business are you looking for?
2. What are your goals?
3. How much money do you need to earn and how quickly?
4. What is your past experience, both in work at home and in the conventional business environment?
5. What are the obstacles that would prevent you from being successful?
Let me know and we'll see if we can find something for you.
Hoping we can help.
In His service...
Levi
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#64 · Posted: 17 Dec 2007 12:39
I had an experience with sfi
i failed,i want a succesful company i have no computer skills
and dont have any marketing skills dont know what to do i just wanna make money
doenst matter how soon but i need more than 500$
Would be grateful if someone could help me actually i prefer free opps because paid ones are hopeless i tried many i fail and fail and fail
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#65 · Posted: 17 Dec 2007 12:48
ladyinred...
There's a couple of things I'd have you do...
1. Ask yourself what you're willing to give up or overcome to be successful in your business.
2. Become willing to learn and grow because the position you're in right now is a direct result of the decisions you've made up to this point. To have a differen outcome, you'll need to do different actions, which often takes different thinking.
We may be able to help as your requirements fit what we do every day with everyday people!
Go on over to our website as sharinghope and take a look around. If you're still interested, there's a way to contact us there.
Blessings. We'd be honored to help.
Levi
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#66 · Posted: 17 Dec 2007 15:09 · Edited by: nmdbrian
The former business Team was associated with did present its share of problems, but I wouldn't suggest looking into where it was in the past years. There were an overwhelming number of success stories despite those issues.
Those who left should consider having an open mind and take another look at this new Team, not only because of the common consensus that we have great leaders to follow, but the fact that internet shopping is a huge trend. Someone is going to cash in. Building a loyal community is the key.
Don't take it from me. Do your research on current information and look at the positives.
Thomas Paine on FREEDOM
THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated.
See you at the top!
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#67 · Posted: 17 Dec 2007 15:23
Thank you ill go to the site
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#68 · Posted: 18 Dec 2007 14:41
Brian...
Let's make sure we're looking at all the information...not just the favorable to your position. Not to be critical, but you can't just dismiss the choices of the leadership to stay with Quixtar for as long as they did and blame the Quixtar for all the negatives. If it was a mistake to be or stay with Quixtar, then TEAM leadership made that mistake. And they made it for many, many years...hoping things would change.
As a leader, I'm accountable for all the decisions I've made. Even the mistakes in the past. Now while it's important to concentrate on the direction you're going, you also should be willing to explain, and possibly even seek restoration for all the casualties of your bad choices.
My definition of a successful business includes not only how well you do (which should only happen through the service to others), but also how many you've helped COMPARED to how many have been hurt. While TEAM may have been growing, I'm not sure that ratio was a pretty one. I know Orrin was concerned over it. As were we.
First, seek to do no harm. When you want others to join you, first, ask yourself, "is there any way they can get hurt??". If you can't answer that question well, you ought not be moving forward with the business.
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#69 · Posted: 18 Dec 2007 17:08
Thank you, Paul. I do believe getting a favorable reply out of you is virtually impossible, though! LOL 
Here's the deal. I've been with Team for almost five years. Been through all the ups and a few downs. Though I pretty much despised Quixtar from day one, overall, my experience has truly been great despite that. I'm mostly excited about the future of Team. The future belongs to the company that can satisfy the consumer. Leadership is key to making this happen.
I'm not here to recruit anyone. If you're looking to find out more, it isn't too difficult to find someone in the business who'll take you under their wings. First, I prefer working with people within an hour or two of where I live, whom I either know or have an existing relationship with someone in my organization. Second, we have a system which takes care of expansion, and recruiting online just isn't part of the program. That'd seem pretty desperate IMO.
I'm just here to offer my opinion based on my experience. Take it or leave it. If someone is too skeptical or lacks ambition, don't join anything. Every business takes work, and every good business requires long-term thinking and investment of time/$.
Paul, you had a different experience with Team. Like the majority, you dropped out of Team four years ago for solid reasons. Now you're part of another business which you wants others to take a look at because it has worked out better for you. If I were you, I'd probably justify my position just the same, and keep my eye on the rabbit I was chasing. It's biblical.
Looking forward to where the Team is going, it's all good, and I believe you agree.. but just can't get past what happened years ago!
I'm fired up! Dunno what else to say!
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#70 · Posted: 19 Dec 2007 10:06
Brian...
Hmmmmm...Just to make sure, I went and reviewed all my posts back to when I started 7/07. I didn't find references to ask others to take a look at what we were doing other than one this past week to a specific request. I'm thinking you may be mistaken brother.
Now, with that said, if anyone wants to look at what we're doing, great! Happy to work with them! We'll show them everything they want to see!! But, that's not the primary purpose of my posts, and I think it's pretty obvious.
If you read what I've written, what I've tried to do is offer principles that would work for people just like us...those looking for a viable way to dig a well before they're thirsty. I think it's important to be able to offer valuable advice and service and not expect anything in return, and I hope I've done that. If not one person contacts, us but many are brought to think logically before jumping because of what I've written, then God be praised!
I'm thinking it's a great thing to look at all your options before you decide. That makes your decision more committed and leads to a greater chance for success. Wouldn't you agree? I'm thinking Orrin would condone that approach as well.
If I've given bad advice, let me know.
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#71 · Posted: 19 Dec 2007 10:20
Sounds good. We'll keep it on the PM brotha Paul.
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#72 · Posted: 8 Jan 2008 15:10
Hello All
I have been with the TEAM for about a year and heres my story. I was approached by some friends one year out of high school. Then it was the Team of Destiny. I was quick to turn it down and did all I could to put it down. I was approached again last year and begged my wife to cancel the meeting. I knew what it was, i knew it was a waste, etc etc. Well of course my wife did not cancel and come 8 o'clock i knew the cult would arrive.
When i was originally showed the business it was by a 19 year old kid with little information, and well before many of the big leaders were in the business. The guy who came and showed me the business was in the same white dress shirt/red tie get-up as before. I sat and listened and watched my wifes eyes light up at the thought of being "job optional" as they put it. Once it was over, i gave them the usual run around and took their tapes and sent them on their way. Instead of tossing the tapes, i did what my wife said and at least listened to them. I didnt believe in their ideas but wanted more than anything to keep my pregnant wife from working a month after labor.
After the tapes/cds I still wasnt sure. I agreed to go to a Tuesday meeting. I had already been to one a few years ago but i decided i would give it a second go. Needless to say we signed up. I wasnt too sure at first and pretty much let my wife do the dirty work. She called people, scared away friends and family, etc. After a few meetings i decided to give it a real try. I work a job where I am on call 24/7 for a service provider and couldnt designate specific time to the TEAM but i wasnt going to let my wife do it all.
We began reading the books and listening to the CDs more and more. More than anything i started to learn a lot about myself. I treated my wife like crap, i didnt do the right things for my family, etc. I really got a reality check. I started to change my ways of thinking and finally started to contact people. I first re-called all the people my wife had called that had already seen the business. I was so impressed with my upline. He was never pushy, he never made anyone feel pressured and a simple no was good enough for him. I know not all TEAM leaders or Quixtar leaders are like this but he was definately a notch above the rest. He was purely doing this to better himself and his family, and help anyone he could. He could care less if he suckered someone into the business because he they just quit eventually it was bad press and wasted time. My upline was so helpful with me getting rid of my 6 figure college debt, and helping me to become a better person with finances.
I agree with a few people on this forum. Please take your time in picking a business that is right for you. Most people are meant to be employees, stuck in a 9 to 5 job taking orders from people. I did it for 5 years after college and hated every minute of it. Im now 28 years old and "job optional" I still participate in all the team activities but i do not see it as a job. I absolutely love the people i am surrounding myself with. No one is ever cross or hurtful, and if the general public takes that as "creepy" thats fine. I think we need more opportunities that open the heart and promote diversity.
Again, dont take my word for it. Its always a personal choice. I started by bashing it, and ended up loving it. If you do the work, its worth the wait. 1 years and Im out of a 60k/yr job. My wife is out of a 30k/yr job, and we are in the process of buying our second home.
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#73 · Posted: 9 Jan 2008 09:15 · Edited by: Levi
DRock...
What a wonderful Testamony! I found it authentic and heartfelt. Thank you. It is obvious you've figured it out that "you are the project" and can't hope to help others until you've changed yourself and become willing to give without wanting. Congrats! You have a great life in front of you! Better yet, your children have a better example to follow...not because you're building TEAM specifically, rather, because of what has changed in you from taking on the challenge of changing your future! You're making a difference in their lives and the lives of others.
I also applaud your advice regarding finding something that is right for you, and that there's not necessarily anything wrong (either stated or implied) with serving others working at an hourly job...and acknowledging that there are other endeavors out there that are effective at building income...and building yourself. It has to start with what you find value in and what allows you choices in life so that you are not bonded to anything except Christ. It's obvious you find great value in TEAM's business and it has allowed you choices!
I'm curious...are you still gaining similar income since TEAM's severance with Quixtar? If so, how is that happening? And, would the new person be able to generate income right away as well or would they need to reach a certain level?
Thanks again for your genuine, humble response!
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#74 · Posted: 10 Jan 2008 17:00
Levi,
Thanks for the kind words. We are currently in a regrowth process with the TEAM. My income has declined since the split but with all that I learned from the business about financing and investing Im still doing fine. We do get a volume bonus from our training system but that doesnt compare to what we made from product volume with Quixtar. I can tell you we are on the verge of exploding. We had a 6 month "no compete" clause with the Quixtar business and that is up as of February 11th for most of the big leaders in TEAM. I can only tell you this, once that day hits the size of TEAM will grow tremendously. Not having the stigma of Amway and Quixtar is a big weight lifted off our shoulders. As you can see by a lot of posts on simular blog/forum sites we have always been compared to Amway. I see it like this... Sysco foods provides almost every restaurant with their food. Do you choose restaurants on where they get their products or how its prepaired? We have our own training system that helps you build the business, and build yourself. I always hear people say the usual "I cant talk to people" We have a program for everyone from the shy to the overbearing. With the TEAM we chose to take additional steps outside of the usual.. "sign them up and let them build for you". Forget MLM businesses, TEAM helps you succeed more than ANY business I have ever seen, period.
Again, this is only my opinion. If you are still having doubts about joining or even looking at the business... wait until February!
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#75 · Posted: 11 Jan 2008 00:21
Yup. That should be interesting what they come up with after February. When is their next major?
It hasn't entered my mind for me to join. I'm not as impressed as others as to what's happening here between Quixtar and TEAM. It's a shame really. I'm thinking, as is true in every conflict, There's plenty or mistakes on both sides and neither side is totally blameless. Just my 2 cents tho.
Besides, we've found exactly what we're looking for.
Blessings to you tho DRock on your journey. Make sure you continue thinking for yourself.
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#76 · Posted: 13 Jan 2008 11:00 · Edited by: BIRDRIDER
Guy, You should know the meaning of socialism before you use it as an insult. It is exactly the principal that TEAM is based on. See below. Sad desperate people are what make up TEAM. I recently checked out a TEAM seminar to check out this rotten slice of American pie...............I am still in the shower...............ECH!
socialism |ˈsō sh əˌlizəm|
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
� policy or practice based on this theory.
� (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.
The term "socialism" has been used to describe positions as far apart as anarchism, Soviet state communism, and social democracy; however, it necessarily implies an opposition to the untrammeled workings of the economic market.The socialist parties that have arisen in most European countries from the late 19th century have generally tended toward social democracy.
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#77 · Posted: 25 Jan 2008 00:30
Okay Fellas,
Heres my honest arguement. For those of you who are employees for a multi-million dollar company, or are a self employed doctor, or just work at McDonalds, etc. What are you doing any different from someone who pursues a business like TEAM, Quixtar, etc? You get up every morning and go to work... We bust our chops to build a business the same way you serve your middle managers to get that big promotion. You talk about integrity and working a days work for your money. Who in the TEAM is not doing that? Orrin and Chris busted their butts to build this up to what it is, why shouldn't reap the benefits? You are going to honestly tell me that the CEO of your company isnt getting WAY more money than you? At least my "CEOs" will help me get to where they are. They have a sincere interest in this whole company succeeding. What CEO doesnt?
I can do one of these right?
A: Work 40 hours a week, 9 to 5 for a company that really has no interest in me outside of what i do the 8 hours I am there.
B: Build my own "Self Employed" business and be tied down even more than what my normal "Employee" job.
C: Build a "B Type" Business with a solid system that works FOR me, WITHOUT me.
(This is all in books, no one makes this up, READ for once and stop watching sportscenter fellas)
We merely put together a system (much like the franchises of today) that works for us. If this was all a fluke and a scam it wouldnt have lasted for 10 years. It would have failed miserably like other MLM businesses. Im not denying that its a multi-level marketing business. I dont think anyone in the TEAM will. But it is not illegal. If it was, we'd be shut down.
Now, for the people who say "Doesnt matter how many people you help, how many have you let down?"
If you own a company, and offer someone a job, and they dont perform... who let who down? I cannot force anyone to build this business. If they get in under false information, then I havent done my job. I tell people exactly like it is. It is NOT overnight. You cannot build this business in a week. You cannot leave your job the day you start, and no one will ask you to.
For the guy who stated "I went power player and im in debt." The TEAM does not put you in debt. If anything your financial common sense... or lack there of, put you in debt. I learned more about finances from one TEAM CD then I ever learned a day in college. Yes, I do have a degree. Yes, Im college educated. NO, I dont think college is for everyone. Many people throughout history became great leaders with out college. We rely so much on the norm, and what everyone else is doing that when someone does something different like TEAM, its taboo. Its out of the norm, its a cult, its a scam, yada yada yada.
"I joined TEAM and lost money, Im going into debt, and my feelings are hurt"... get over it. You are smart enough to think for yourself. You know not to buy something when you dont have the money, so why would you do it for this? If this was a real job, and you did so bad at this, then you've failed your interview and you are not hired. Sorry, but thats the honest truth. No one gets anywhere in life by NOT trying. You have to follow the rules, learn the system, and perform. This isnt sitting at your desk and making paper footballs.
The only difference between you and the leaders of this business is integrity, character, and offering a business that is win/win for everyone!!
You all have an opinion and im sure ill hear it after this rant..
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#78 · Posted: 25 Jan 2008 11:48
DRock...
OK, let's see if I can address your points in your "rant"...
It's not dishonorable to trade time for money. There are many who work very rewarding jobs, help and serve tons of people...and trade time for money. You don't have to hate your job, hate your boss, etc. in order to build income on the side...but that does go against standard TEAM teaching of the day. I will say though, if you can come to a point where you've convinced yourself you hate your job, then you may have a good motivator to build a business like TEAM. But it's not an either/or situation. Personally, I enjoy what I do right now for the most part, help and serve many and influence whoever I can as God allows. In addition, I'm sharpening my vision and skills to continually improve the future set before me by building something to last a lifetime in our business.
Every business has a system for success. TEAM has no corner on that. Your system works for those it works for, just like mine works for me. Now, while there's many success stories in TEAM (and fantastic ones at that, including Orrin's), my viewpoint on my personal success has to take account those left in the ditch of my success. Is it a good question to ask "How many had to suffer for me to succeed?" I'm thinking, yup! Wouldn't it be nice if you could build a business where others weren't hurt? We think it is.
It's more than just the individual "not performing". In every business there are obstacles to success. Some are necessary, many are not. You've got to assess whether the business you're in had too many unnecessary obstacles -- not only for your success, but, more importantly, also for all those you involve in your business. I'll let you do your own assessment. But you can't simply lump all those people who failed to make it into a group of immoral, lazy, ignorant dunderheads. That's a bit simplistic, really.
Your own "B Type" business is not an employee/employer relationship. If the person I brought into my business failed, I'm thinking I should take some responsibility for that as their leader and mentor. A classroom of pupils who fail a test says something about the teacher, right?
I'm the guy who went power player and lost money. That was 100% my choice and I own that. I was following the advice of my mentor who said to me it was important to be "teachable". So we followed his advice (cause he's the expert, right, not me) and "got on full system" ($200/month for my wife and myself), "did 150 PV" (which cost us an extra $100/month or more), etc. I guess I could have been unteachable and question his advice as if I knew more than he did. I've learned that "I don't know" and needed to learn from those who did know. In the end, I exercised my common sense as you advised...I resigned.
Now, as far as your closing comment differentiating your leaders from the rest of the world, I'd have to humbly disagree. First, my resignation preserved my integrity and character. To continue in that business would have required me to rationalize wrong behavior. Secondly, I've read (I'm not sure if it was Goetchel or Harteis on freetheibo before the link was changed recently) self admissions from long time Diamond leaders who actually stopped sharing their business out of conscience, yet continued to be a spokesperson for the business opportunity and continued to benefit financially from it. I guess that doesn't seem genuine to me. Orrin comments on the unmarketable nature of your business when you were with Quixtar, yet, continued to market it as "the best thing out there" for years. That's not genuine...it's not honest...even if you're trying to change it for the better. I've got issues with that and that's certainly something I won't do. Lastly, my definition of "win/win" is not a business where I make money by you losing money without compensating you in value for your loss/expenditure. At it's most basic level that can not sustain itself. And that's what we were seeing and experienced.
So, in the end, I still wish you well in your journey and continue to encourage you to think for yourself. But if we disagree, that doesn't necessarily make me a liar, lazy or any thing of the sort. I'd encourage you to rethink that position.
Blessings...
Levi
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#79 · Posted: 4 Feb 2008 20:28
I'm not sure I understand a "business" where you are encouraged to sell memberships in "The "Team" to friends. In the real business model, how many people have to buy overpriced books and CDs in order for one Team "Leader" to make money?
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#80 · Posted: 2 Apr 2008 11:43
4 Apr 2008 01:45 - Attached on merging:
Anyone know how much the-team.biz costs to join?
My friend wants to tell me about the-team.biz gig, but my hubby won't even listen to her schpeel. Does anyone know how much it costs to join? Is there an expected monthly fee after that?
Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!,
Amy Kay
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