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Levi
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#41 · Posted: 17 Oct 2007 18:38
Turkoise...
P.S. Did we actually go over our specific business information online with you, or discuss it generally via phone? I'd be interested in knowing.
Glad you're seeing success with your business.
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#42 · Posted: 22 Oct 2007 19:41
Hi Levi
About your business, you know, I can't remember about how I go the details. I think I got a phone number, but I remember a few emails and seeing a website. forgive me, I can't remember all the details as it was a year ago. Hope that helps.
You're right, I did not convey that people who are NOT on TEAM are losers, you're also right that I didn't say TEAM was the ONLY leadership system out there. Thanks for understanding my words. I'm the type of person that can have a strong loyalty and belief in something, but it doesn't mean I have to insult any other ventures out there. Hey, if doing Avon or opening a McDonald's was for everyone, then they'd all be doing it, right?? Not everyone wants their own business either.
I can say I'm a person who values their character and integrity HIGHLY. I have many friends and family who have MUCH trust in me and I strongly conveyed that to my leader. I don't take things lightly and I'll be darned if I (and people I love) get into something that's not helpful for them. In the short year I've been with TEAM, I've seen marriages be saved, friendships rekindled and a dysfunctional family pull together with more love and understanding. This opportunity is GREAT for many, but not for everyone. As with any opportunity, you have to be smart in how you invest. I wouldn't sell my house and all my stocks to invest in a franchise. Some may, but not me. That's my choice. So, I do feel bad for those who went "all out" by sacrficing EVERYTHING (time and money) to do the TEAM and later regret it.
As the great philosophers always said "Everything in moderation". I also know long-tem thinking (and some sacrifice) DOES lead to lifetime results.
Again, my opinion.
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#43 · Posted: 23 Oct 2007 11:57
MATTHEW
I have been a member with TEAM for just over one year, when our organization joined with The Team... I feel it has been a very good thing and I really found the way The Team does business commendable and I am proud to say I am associated with them.
Matthew what you are doing by ranting at others on this form does not help, I believe that if you want people to see that The Team is different than how some people think or feel about it all you need to do is go about your business with Character and integrity... if all people involved with The Team did this you would not need to be yelling at them for their opinion. So just love them where they are at, and let your actions show them that you and The Team are different.
Morgan from Nova Scotia
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Levi
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#44 · Posted: 23 Oct 2007 12:01
Turkoise...
I understand what you mean about integrity and people trusting you. I also conveyed that to my leadership. My personal integrity was leveraged to build my and other's businesses. In the end, I stopped because I could not, with integrity, continue showing a plan where there was no explaination for overly high priced product coming down a more efficient distribution chain. My leadership was either unwilling, or unable to address those specific concerns I had 3 years ago which seem to have driven Orrin out of Quixtar. It was not valuable for me to share a plan where money was being made by some unnecessarily at the expense of others.
Glad you've seen positive benefits from TEAM. I saw some, but, as I said, also so the converse of that as well. I've seen marriages made better from good, solid biblical counseling as well from our church. The point is I would never get involved in a business to make my marriage/relationships better, although, it's an invaluable side benefit. Businesses don't do that...a renewed mind does that. Information can not change us, only we can change us through right action following absolute principles. In regards to "moderation", that's a great rule...with the exceptions of truth, grace, love. Those should never be moderated.
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#45 · Posted: 2 Nov 2007 13:08
The team is a leadership development sevice profider which can help you to become more successful in whatever field you are currently working in. It has helped me in all areas of my life, family, finances, faith, and even fitness by teaches principles of success that will work when applied to any area. We are self employed and have implemented it as a continuing education for are employees as well. We are not affilated with any specific product business.
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#46 · Posted: 5 Nov 2007 07:38
I just went to Men's leadership in Flint, MI last Fri. and Orrin was there speaking. The TEAM is very focused and their ideas seems very clear. Family, Love, Team approach, and Desire to the very best no matter how many times you fail. The problem I have is that I don't see the business end of all that. Where can or does the newbie IBO make money from all that? The TEAM leaders make the money from the CD's, Books, Meeting Fees, Conference Fee etc...They say they are in a 6month "Non-compete" with their website product because they have a 47 page lawsuit against Quixtar high priced products. Therefore, even if the bulk of the money I were to make was from those commissions, that won't be available till at least Feb 9th 2008.
Can anyone shed more light on the TEAM (the-team.biz)?
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#47 · Posted: 5 Nov 2007 19:00
We were approached about the team right after my husband and myself lost our jobs. The person that approached us new of our situation and was using that as a factor to join. This person also stated that in the future they wanted to be able to be at home with their kid and not have to worry about expenses.
I found this quite ironc as both him and his wife hosted a meeting at their home, took three days off from work, and left their 3 yr old child with a sitter so they could drive throughout the night to attend a two day conference, which was considered to be the norm not to mention the numerous late night meetings with future prospects, additional cell phone expenses, and travel expenses However, during the meeting there was no mention of convention attendence (required), reading materials (required), video materials (required).
When I asked specific questions, I was given text book answers (I mean right out of the book written by Orrin). I did ask for some reading material so that I could take a further look. The book read just like the meeting. No mention of of your expenses, your losses, but just what you could gain within the 2-5 year plan. I did have to pay a $15 holding fee, but that will be all I contribute. Now if Orrin wants to pay for all of my start up necessities I might give it another look, but I don't forse him comming to my house any time soon.
Look before you leap, some pits you can't get out of.
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Levi
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#48 · Posted: 6 Nov 2007 08:39
Theresa...
Pretty close to what we experienced in the year we worked with TEAM. We learned a bit, lost quite a bit, and got out of the pit. (wait a minute...that rhymes!)
Long story short, there was great emphasis on the possibilities with downplaying of the responsibilities and expectations (both time and money). We lept before we looked because of our dream. We made the mistake of not asking basic questions like monthly overhead/expenses, value to us and others, risk to us and others, stability of the biz over time, etc.
Still, a valuable journey for us to take so that we could get to where we are today...apart from TEAM. The lesson learned...Your dreams are achievable. And TEAM is not the only way.
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#49 · Posted: 11 Nov 2007 00:03
Team is a consortium of leaders. They are banded together under one common brand...Team, in order to take advantage of the benefits of economies of scale, geographic efficiencies, and shared best practices in becoming great leaders and developing other leaders.
Team's leaders come from across North America. We have spent years studying and refining business principles in such areas as leadership, mentorship, process duplication, ethics, teamwork and goal setting.
These principles are important to me personally and professionally and have been integrated throughout the Team. They are intended to assist people in influencing others in positive endeavors whether in family, business, church, job, or service in their community. In fact, I consider them to be foundational with regards to my success.
I use the team to help build my 2 business [Links removed - Admin]
I sincerely hope you find this information informative and leave you with this quote from David Rockefeller; "Success in business requires training and discipline and hard work. But if you're not frightened by these things, the opportunities are just as great as they ever were."
Respectfully,
Richard
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#50 · Posted: 11 Nov 2007 18:46
We were with Team since the spring, our sponsers are great people and we met some great people who were all trying to get the same things accomplished. I feel bad for those who stayed with Team and are now trying to get back with Quixtar. Even though it was there choice.
I would not go with team because they are embrassing methods of the past, past technologies, past ideas, past myths.
Question. How does the payout now work with team? what products? what is there bonus system?
Quixtar still remains to payout the money. Our upline is now the remaining one since team left. Our sponsers and myself and wife decided to remain with quixtar and renew because of information provided to us.
Our Upline decided to not run to the next materials provider because they are going to provide us with a way to do it from home, like it is supposed to be. No more being away from home and spending all your money driving here and there, and on seminars, and other materials, and babysitting, some of you know the routine.
YES QUIXTAR IS AMWAY. Let us not forget that. Lets ask our selves a question. How long has AMWAY/Quixtar been around? longer than I have been alive. That would make it not a pyrimad scheme.
The products offered by quixtar/AMWAY.......HUH, I will let you guys research them. Check them out. Just for everyone who doesn't know, they searched out quixtar, not the other way around. So the credibility is there.
I suggest to anyone to really research and investigate into what MLM, or TEAM, or whatever they get into before joining. I recommend the quixtar way based on the products and future goals.
Someone else may chose something different, different strokes for different folkes. I want to make a comment about the TEAM Biz. I met a guy who was all trying to get me to join based on emotions, and no facts, I felt he talked to me without respect more than on one occation. This guy up above calling people idiots? come on.
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#51 · Posted: 23 Nov 2007 21:31
Take people as they are. Nobody truly knows the people they are talking about. You can achieve at anything you do in life except if you quit or never try. Sounds to me we have a lot of quitters on this page. I was always told if you cant say something nice don't say anything at all. But if I was Quixtar and I have been around along time, why not just let them go. They should not have anything to worry about. [b]Or do they?[b]
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#52 · Posted: 24 Nov 2007 22:54
Hello Everybody,
I'm not associated with Team nor with Quixtar. I'm only a work at home business person.
But....may I please attempt to bring this forum back around to what I think it's intended for? I believe everyone here should bring positive comments about their businesses and not talk so negatively about what might be working for the others.
We are ALL a part of this organization we call the human species and we should all respect others. What is right for you might not be right for others.
I love what I'm doing and I hope that with my home based business, Together We Can Change the World.
Please, let's all step back, count to 10, take a deep breath and start treating each other with respect.
Thanks for listening to my 2 cents worth.
Mike Pressnell
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#53 · Posted: 25 Nov 2007 21:20 · Edited by: Levi
Mike...
It's a great idea to be positive and uplifting, but a business needs to be able to stand on its own merits.
The original question of this thread asked about whether anyone had been involved with the TEAM and our opinion. It has to be possible to comment truthfully on that AND also list unfavorable or negative aspects that may have been personally experienced. Truth expressed with grace is always the best information.
Looking closely at the postives and the negatives is what we should be doing when deciding whether or not we should be entering a business. Any viable business should have far more positives going for it than negatives.
At the end of the day, I think it's a huge advantage to be able to offer value to people whether they decide to build a business with us or simply be a customer. Imagine a business where it's a total advantage for the customer to be a customer!! That's a foundational principle that is without comparison and makes building a business much more effective.
With that said, it is well known in business that while anyone could do our business, not everyone will. Still, if they chose not to, it's nice that it's still such an advantage and valuable for them to be a customer! But there's always HOPE there waiting when the time is right for them to partner with us!!
Blessings...
Levi
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#54 · Posted: 7 Dec 2007 15:18
The team-.biz is all about a group of people trying to "get together" to learn how to be leaders of a "new internet revolution" of trying to get people together to buy products and out-do wal-mart. It seems to me that it is really about paying people to tell you "you can be rich" and to come to thier "secret" meetings without actually getting the buying power together for people to "out-do" wal-mart. If you check out the web-site all it is is praise to the authoors of the book.... seven years strong saying they are "getting it together" helping people build web-sites.... where are they? where is the network? I would be more interested in spending my money at the local co-op. When the shit hits the fan -you better know your neighbors. If you want to be part of an internet revolution, it's already happening.......
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#55 · Posted: 13 Dec 2007 14:38
I prefer to get my advice from people who are where I want to be...
Yeah, there is no business at the moment, but if you don't think these guys have a brilliant plan.. well...
Here's some commentary on Orrin's book "Launching a Leadership Revolution" by some fairly influential people. The book has been #1 on WSJ and USA Today Money best sellers lists.
"The major themes and recommendations in Launching a Leadership Revolution rung true based on my personal experiences during 40 years of wearing the USAF uniform. This is an excellent primer for aspiring leaders and a great review for those who are experienced. The book is also an excellent tool for those who are mentoring emerging leaders. It was an easy read and quite enjoyable."
William J. Begert, Four Star General and Commander, Pacific Air Forces (USAF, Ret.); current Vice President of Military Engines, Pratt Whitney
"A terrific new approach to how you can dramatically improve your leadership skills."
Donald T. Phillips, Bestselling author of the classic Lincoln on Leadership
"A Home run...a significant contribution to the field of leadership and leadership development. This well-researched book will become a staple in the library of any serious student of leadership."
James Hunter, Author of The Servant and The World's Most Powerful Leadership Principle
"One can't become a good leader until they take their God given talents, learn the basics of leadership, and practice, practice and practice. Launching a Leadership Revolution helps provide a roadmap for that kind of leadership development."
Dick Posthumus, President and CEO of Compactico Inc., Senate Majority Leader of Michigan 1991-1998, Lieutenant Governor of Michigan 1999-2003
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#56 · Posted: 14 Dec 2007 13:42
nmdbrian...
That's a good start getting advice from those who are where you want to be. However, we'll all be held accountable for our own individual thinking. So, I'd encourage you in the principle of getting information and then making the right decision in every area of your life. Many huge movements are marked by people getting advice from leaders and then not thinking for themselves. That just ends up in a mess. (Not that you're doing that! )
TEAM has changed dramatically since the origin of this thread...markedly because of it's severance with its distributing "partner" Quixtar. We'll just have to wait to see where they end up after the 6 month deadline ends in February.
It is amazing the influence Orrin has. He is extremely gifted in that area. What he has done, with the economic climate of Quixtar against him, is a testament to his leadership ability. Maxwell talks about how leadership is influence...period. Orrin certainly is evidence of that. He's a fantastic leader.
I guess I would offer consideration of this refined principle... "Right Leadership is influence...PLUS...right direction...period." It has to be more than just influence. Otherwise we get movements like the holocaust, slavery, and other manmade tragedies based on manmade wisdom!
I wonder about all the thousands of people who took advice from Orrin because "he was where they wanted to be" for all those years and suffered financial loss under the economic nonsense of the Quixtar model. People like us. We resigned from TEAM/Quixtar, but continued to think for ourselves and learned the value of personal improvement/leadership development.
The decision to resign was really quite obvious to us. We needed to concentrate on our personal leadership development -- which really doesn't take being in TEAM to do -- and offer value to others to help them in every area of their life (which we couldn't do with TEAM/Quixtar).
Leaders always have to be careful their intentions and desires don't exploit their followers in any way. We're so thankful we've gotten to the place we are now.
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#57 · Posted: 15 Dec 2007 14:46
Thanks Levi.. some great points. I wouldn't agree on the one, though, that he ever exploited anyone. Giving people advice they need to hear versus what they want to hear doesn't always go well.
There were literally hundreds of new Golds and Platinums ($2k-plus/month) being turned out each month about 12-18 months ago or so, thanks to the Team training system. Recognition at leadership seminars was solid proof of this.
However, Quixtar changed the rules on all of its IBOs. They dropped pv/bv (point value per dollar spent) on many items drastically while raising prices. Then, about June of this year, they announced they were changing their name to Amway.
So we're like.. "um.. yeah, right!  "
Can you imagine trying to contact someone and say "Hi, this is ..., and I'd like to come and show you the Amway business"
ROFL (rolling on the floor laughing)
Orrin's mantra has always been to the extent of "if it ain't broke, let's break it and rebuild it better"
He knows how to win. Better yet, he knows how to lead others to victory, and constantly seeks to improve in this area.
Like you said, We'll just have to wait to see where they end up after the 6 month deadline ends in February.
I have a hunch that we're gonna be in pretty good shape. No need to argue the point with anyone, or make boisterous predictions. I can't imagine why anyone would be against what we're doing. Time proves people of integrity right. I'm sorry if anyone takes offense to my opinion.
Take time to give someone a hug today; you'll both feel better
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#58 · Posted: 15 Dec 2007 17:59 · Edited by: Levi
Brian...
I'd wholeheartedly agree about those qualities of Orrin. I have high respect for him. He is responsible for a dramatic change in thinking in my life.
Regarding leaders expoiting followers, I was speaking generally and not specifically about Orrin. It's a principle I practice in my own life. When I have a decision to make, I try to ask myself if others will be hurt and why before I make it.
I'm thinking "exploit" may be too harsh of a term, but my thesauraus was in the other room for a more graceful term! My point there was this...A leader has to make sure his leadership does not hurt others unnecessarily. He is the protector of the flock.
I will say that when we were with TEAM and soon after we left, both my wife and I were amazed that a man like Orrin could not see the blatant economic foolishness of the product pricing and how that compromised "The Plan". These were common complaints of the day. And, ways to compensate for or "rationalize" buying more expensive products of no greater value was addressed specifically at Majors, in training tapes and TNO's.
I hate rationalizing my behavior! I do way too much as it is. I certainly didn't need to pay extra money to be trained to do it!!
As it looks now, it seems Orrin must have agreed with us all along. If that's the case, then, there's another issue. You just can't keep doing something that isn't right, with the hope that you can change it some day when you become influencial enough. That's fundamentally flawed principles. Even if your intentions were noble.
Many were hurt because of that decision. And needlessly so. We were fortunate we found what we found and have passed that lesson onto those we lead.
Resting in His provision...
Levi
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#59 · Posted: 16 Dec 2007 10:59
Iwill go ahead and try this
Will tell you what will happen to me.
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#60 · Posted: 16 Dec 2007 18:06 · Edited by: nmdbrian
Like I said, we'll be ok.
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