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Ozzyfan418
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#21 · Posted: 12 Sep 2007 20:53
Well how much money you spend is entirely up to you. you skeptics want everything instant, intant success, instant fast food, look at Ray crock people like you said he was crazy and stupid for franchising McDonalds. Well what happend, He kept at it no matter how the many skeptics criticized him. But He sold a couple of businesses and He even made 8 business owners Millionaires before he drew his first check from the McDonalds corporation. They have never erected any statues to any critic, not even one! Lets think about why that is, Critics criticize people for things they dont have the guts to do themselves. Instant success businesses are there but lots are scams. And thats good for you guys what ever. The Team is A Leadership Development service provider. The money you pay for books and cds are all legal tax Deductions along with gas and any expenses in pursuit of profit. But hey Think about this Our Economy is hurting real bad and we are going into a depression you may not think so but it's happening. It started with Automotive industries first because those are running the tightest budgets. Then it hits housing, how many foreclosures have happened this year. As we go into the information age you will see the previous age before it Dissapear, and thats the Industrial age. Our industries will move to other countries that are just begining to become industrialized. mainly because of low labor cost and cheaper suppliers they can thrive now! We are leading a new age now The information age. Robert Kiyosaki said " This depression will completely erase the middle class in our ecomomy," so what you do will either get you to the upper class or you'll be forced into the bottom class. The only way I see the industrial age staying around for a long while is if the national Debt was erased and the inflation rate was reduced to 3% which is average pay rate increase,but you also have to understand this is only up to a certain point and then you'll get no more pay increases and you'll retire with about half to a third of what you were struggling with in your job. But everyone knows that the national debt will not be erased and the inflation rate wont lower because lets face it those big companies that make everything we use love that money they wont stop marking up products ever. gas wont stop going up I heard it was 15 dollars in europe, I'm not sure but we'll get there. Now Hybrid electric/gas cars are out but you will have to pay alot more for one of those vehicles. the funny thing is there are Hydrogen powered cars out there and our government Buys rights to those so they wont be produced. That would hurt profit from oil sales. Plus the Ideal of being able to travel from New York to California on about 22 gallons of water is just not an Idea they like, Mainly because you wont be spending what 40,50,60,70,80 Dollars for every fill up on gas. The average vehicle on a full tank of gas will go what 300-350 miles, so New york to Califonia is what 8-10 times filling up gas. WOW. according to them your not paying enough to have your fun. Our Economy is based on money. And we fight over it like as if we cant breathe without it! well that's just how it is and we cant change that but what we can do is work for something better in life. The Team will help you Define what you want in life, Help you understand that the American Dream is no longer to get good grades in school and get a good job with benefits and then they'll take care of you for the rest of your days. It used to be that businesses cared about people and how they were living, but not any more. They dont care anymore, your replaceable We know that they can find someone else to do your job probably for cheaper pay too! With one person it's not alot but with 500 or 5000 getting paid $2.00 less than you they save alot of money doing it that way dont they! The American Dream Is now the American Nightmare because we get into debt and get stuck in Dead end jobs that dont help us do anything but scrape by. I know I'm doing it to. I'm just a normal worker bee just like everyone else. But If you haven't been a part of the Team or you're not in it then honestly you have no place to judge them and how they do business. I'm not trying to make anyone mad I'm just expressing my own personal Opinion about this matter!
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Levi
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#22 · Posted: 15 Sep 2007 21:57
Bikepilot
So... what'd you end up doing? Did you join TEAM?
Levi
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meltyourheart
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#23 · Posted: 17 Sep 2007 17:28
I am posting this to let every one know my experience with This. My ex-husband and his new wife decided to join and from everything I have seen,He is brainwashed. My son has visitation with him every other day, and almost always his Dad is on the phone having meetings going to meetings blowing money on trips and the products you are suppose to buy. He actually tries to make my young son drink the energy drinks, so he can buy more I guess. Not a day goes by that he doesn't try to preach to me their scam. What is worse is he has been calling all of my friends and harassing them to join. I have to hear from them about it. He makes everyone in his family listen to the tapes all day long , in the car, at home. It is getting ridiculous. He claims he wont help pay for anything extra for our son beyond child support but yet he wastes money in this. My husband is weak minded and i truly believe anyone else that gets suckered in to this is as well....Life is not handed to you on a silver platter. Most people have to work for the things they want in life, why do you people think you dont. Taking advantage and brainwashing other people is not work. My son says almost everyday I would rather spend time with my Dad then have lots of money. That is sad to hear. The truth is he will never make enough money to stay home in 5 years and by then our son will be a teenager and his Dad will have missed out on his childhood. It is not worth it . He has gotten his family to join and they all quit because they lost money. To me that is not integrity that is shameful.To all of you who read this,stay away from this cult, and keep your family together,if you want money go out and do it the old fashioned way...work!!!greed and dishonesty is a sin.
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vetteman
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#24 · Posted: 18 Sep 2007 12:53
what is going on with Tean now?
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Ozzyfan418
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#25 · Posted: 22 Sep 2007 12:58
No It's not a cult you guys are idiots. We are now a Leadership Development service provider
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Levi
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#26 · Posted: 22 Sep 2007 22:12 · Edited by: Levi
Ozzyfan418...
I'm struck by the dichotimous nature of your reply. There's not alot of people who will want to follow a leader who calls them idiots.
That's not a great leadership quality. And, I'm sure you don't want to give the wrong impression. I'm sure you're under a bit of pressure presently, but, if you want your Leadership Development Service to be recognized as one of quality, I'd recommend responding as a leader would.
Its ok if we disagree with you. If you know the truth, simply express it in love (with a smile  ) and let us digest it.
Blessings. Seek first to understand.
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lorijeanne
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#27 · Posted: 28 Sep 2007 19:36
We were in the Team and thankfully found our brains and got the heck out, as well as did most of the people who joined around the time we did. They are misleading and play on your emotions. They promise you more time with your family and you are gone to the meetings and house plans and this and that and never home, the money you have to spend for meetings, seminars, tools, hotels, babysitting, clothes (love the red ties) gas, the list is endless... think hard before you join.
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Levi
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#28 · Posted: 29 Sep 2007 10:08 · Edited by: Levi
lorijeanne...
Come see what we're doing as former TEAMers. If you had trouble with the endless costs, going farther in debt, taking all that time away from your family, with no improvement in your situation in sight...
then you'll love what we're doing...without risk...helping others! It makes total sense!
I can relate to the sacrifice of my time, my reputation, my integrity...and the pretending with the red ties!!
What a blessing we've now found!
Levi
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MatthewTEAM
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#29 · Posted: 3 Oct 2007 03:46
Actually, I have not checked on this post since I posted in August 12th and you people against THE TEAM are the 95% we continue to write stories about.
WOW, Putting down the TEAM to sell your own business Hmmmnn thats a concept......THATS QUICK..... Well, you know I didn't cuss or slander any hard working 95%ers but for BIZPRO, CASPER, SILLYBILLY, PAUL, MORGANZ.......and the rest of the people who are in the democratic, socialistic cheese line....Well, for you people I write NOTHING because that is exactly what you are if you continue to believe everything you read and you don't have the FACTs JACK.
I am done here.. I waste my time reponding....I only tell.....
I read books from those who have what I have and you don't.
GOD BLESS YOU
JESUS IS LORD and Is always first in my LIFE and should be in yours,
Matthew Olin Day
I am not afraid to put my name on the screen hence the rest of you fakers.
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lorijeanne
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#30 · Posted: 3 Oct 2007 08:27
I only answered a question about the TEAM with my opinion. I am not selling "my business" , in fact, I am a stay at home mom going back to school to better myself. My husband is a hard working factory man who supports his family of 4 by himself. I know how the TEAM works... and it is really sad that you can get all worked up about it when someone has an opinion. There is more to life then defending the TEAM, I hope someday you can figure that 1 out. You do not hve to like my opinion, but I am entitled to write it.
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Levi
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#31 · Posted: 3 Oct 2007 09:36
Matthew Olin Day...
How to Win Friends and Influence People
The Way of the Shepherd
Two excellent books on how to lead and relate to people.
The 95%ers...I'm thinking, atleast when I was in TEAM, that these were the people who had no dreams to better themselves, no dreams to make a difference in life, no dreams or goals or aspirations to make an impact.
They were the people who were negative all the time...the naysayers...those afraid of harvesting in the fertile ground of failure. They would spend time accosting with words, undermining with actions the efforts of those looking to achieve greatness and excellence in life.
I never got the idea they were the people who just disagreed with my viewpoint.
I can wholeheartedly agree with Lorijeanne and can relate with her, being a hard working person supporting my family of 5 children while building our own home business. TEAM is not the only way, nor was it the right way for us and many others when I was associated with it. That takes nothing away from the quality of leadership of some of your leaders. But, you have to admit, it seems you hitched your wagon to the wrong horse with Quixtar.
I'd challenge you to look back on any of my posts and find anything that was not truthful and point it out to me. You certainly can't argue with my personal experience. I'd be interested to see your argument against the 4 questions I listed above that you should ask yourself for ANY business.
Look, your loyalty is admirable. It really is...but it's seriously tarnished with your abrasive, generalistic, close-minded tone. Lift yourself up brother. Let no unwholesome thing come out of your mouth brother. If TEAM is your vehicle, then, instead of running us over with it a couple of times because we happen to disagree, why not pull up beside all of us poor "95%ers", open your door in compassion, and invite us in with truth.
TEAM is right! Why???
TEAM is the best vehicle! Why?? Where is your proof? What is your standard you're comparing it by?
Are there any drawbacks (I've listed a few in my personal experience) to your business?
That's what the author of this blog is looking for. They want to know how it compares to what's out there. I'd encourage you to dig into your business with your eyes wide open. Look for reasons people would want to be associated with you rather than some other business. Don't ignore why they wouldn't and address them.
Seek first to understand. Speak the truth in love.
Blessings Brother.
Levi (Paul)
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meltyourheart
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#32 · Posted: 4 Oct 2007 12:18
I did not post my comment to promote a business either. I am a mother concerned for her child and the effect that this Business has had on on the relashonship with he and his father,or should I say the lack there of. Since he was sucked into it he has no time for our son. His top priority is The Team! I think if they told him to drink poisened koolaid (Like Jonestown). He and the other addiment members probably would if they thought they would get money for it. People....yes life is easier with money but there is more to life than money.Cherish what you have dont take it for granted. Be thankful. Your children will be grown before you know it. You cant take money with you when you die...but can leave your family with the fact that you made them first in your life. The team uses that idea to make money....the only ones who make money are the ones who started the Team. It is too bad that in todays society worth is measured by how big your house is, how expensive your car was, etc. and not by how much you are loved as a person by the people around you, and what you give back. I am pretty sure that taking from the people around you does not bring the same result.It will only result in your children growing up with a false sense of worth and without integrity. The one thing you guys talk so much about. I want my child to grow up to be kind to others, to work hard for the things and the people he loves and to appreciate the things he does have. The longer he is exposed to this through his father i fear the farther he will be from that ideal. I just hope any of you who read this will think twice about whether or not the end result is worth the risk.
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#33 · Posted: 4 Oct 2007 15:28
Nicely said. Family is so much more then what money can get you, when we look at our 2 boys, (they are 9 and 2), the love in their eyes for us, and the simple things that we can do for them by simply taking them for a walk in the woods or to the parade, little things, the TIME that WE spend with them and not the babysitter while we run to a house plan or tuesday night meeting or seminar..that time is priceless.
I am sorry that he is so sucked in and spends so little time with his child...life is to short and you will only have regrets for the time missed. The Team does not tell you that, instead they play on the emotion and make you think you will have more time...what a delusion. If he was to sit back and look hard at how the team works, he would see that. My prayers go out to you and your child, but mostly to your husband in the hopes that he comes to reality and uses his time wisely and enjoys what GOD blessed him with in your child.
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Levi
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#34 · Posted: 5 Oct 2007 11:51 · Edited by: Levi
I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well. Psalm 139:14
Amen to the last 2 posts! Our family practices the noticing and pointing out of the simple wonders the Creator has provided for us AND giving all the credit to Him. We are fearfully and wonderfully made. Created to do good works...but we had nothing to do with that! He did!
At the end of the day, it is a huge blessing to spend the time you should be spending with your children, AND teaching them they are fearfully and wonderfully made. Created to do good works. We all have greatness stored up inside of us...God's will for our lives. Follow it in all you do...and you achieve success in His eyes...not the world's.
Our duties in this world involve bringing glory to the Creator in all that we do...everything. (Eccl. 12:13-14)
Think of where we'd all be if we chose to live that statement in all that we do -- in the time we spend and the money we earn -- chosing to do the difficult, the remarkable, just because we were supposed to...because it inspires others (including our family)...because it points others to Him...because it brings glory to our Creator.
Is it possible to do all this...and still have your own business?
Yup! If it isn't, then you're in the wrong business!!
Blessings
(sorry for the sermon! Seeking to encourage)
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#35 · Posted: 5 Oct 2007 11:58
Never apoligize for speaking from your heart.Honesty and speaking the truth about what you believe in are wonderful things to be able to do.
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#36 · Posted: 9 Oct 2007 19:24
This is a reply tio lorijeanne.Thank you for your support,understanding and prayer. Unfortunetly all I can do is hope my son's father sees the light. He is my ex-husband so there is not much I can do in regards to influencing him to give this up. My new husband and I make sure we spend all the time we can with my son and our 11 month old daughter. I just hope it makes a difference.
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#37 · Posted: 12 Oct 2007 00:18
Some/Most Network Marketing ...
Firstly, I want to make quite clear that I am not opposed to network marketing in its true definition!
Secondly, it must also be understood that the never wavering character of human nature is a critical component of what is discussed here.
In our past, present, and future economy of the United States and many parts around the globe there will always be capitalism. I endorse the free and profitable enterprise of such a system. Carry on and do the good work!
CERTAIN/MANY ORGANIZATIONS ARE FLAWED- the human nature character of exaggeration and intense false promotion
Some network marketing organizations and specifically some of the speakers at many congregations tend to foster a culture that promotes and stirs a most prominent frenzied activity of incessant desire to profit financially. This frenzy cultivates a desire in many to participate and indulge in excess without regard for practice of common sense. Many internet bloggers who have been members of said organizations report that they have fallen victim of their own desire. This desire stems from the prominence and pressure of the dogma illustrated at the many meetings. They also report that there is peer pressure stressing your certain failure if you do not purchase the tools "If you do not participate in all the meetings or srminars and annual events you are not putting your all into the effort, you will not do as well as you could, or you are a looser".
However, there are some who have come to realize that their choices have brought them to an undesirable character and financial flaw. Also, some have righted their approach toward financial responsibility and correctness.
Additionally, some have reported that after spending more or less than a decade in "the business" they decided to quit. They state that they "have come away with a more thorough understanding of themselves through the exposure to the tools" that they have so heavily invested. They also exclaim that they have made many great contacts and associations in the process only to be extinguished by the simple fact that they have decided to "quit" the business.
Their understanding of "content commerce and community"-Michael Dell, may have been broadened during their time of exposure but some information and dogma was stretched beyond a realistic outcome. Their choice not to participate any longer in the organization in which they were affiliated produced a negative opinion of the network marketing system.
This extreme contrast that I have described here is what is believed to be the most prominent stigmatism in the general publics understanding of network marketing.
In closing I have come to understand that in the network marketing arena there is oftentimes more emphasis to over spend time in the accrual of recruits and the many meetings prescribed that there is little balance regarding the many facets of designing a persons life. There have been many prominent and successful network marketers that have publicly professed that they regretted spending unbalanced time in their responsibilities to their usual vocations, spiritual service, and refreshment and repose.
There is nothing wrong with hard work and diligent service to any endeavor but it must be in balanced contrast to all facets of ones life. Are you blessed with a full understanding of the noble concept?
It is my desire to find what might be a best definition/example of good moral, precise, and upright practice of network marketing without the spin and disregard for the individual or persons that are approached by this prospect of "the business ".
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#38 · Posted: 14 Oct 2007 16:33 · Edited by: BizPro1
MATTHEW
WOW That is all I can say..... I think that in light of your comments you are very defensive and sensitive. If you look closely, most of us were commenting about situations seen PERSONALLY with members in the "team" Yes, I said members.... not owners or founders. That would have left you open to state that the comments we have made about certain situations are NOT what the team is really about but that there may be some misguided individuals out there who have portrayed the group in a bad light.
You accuse me of being "in the democratic, socialistic cheese line.."
The fact that you think you know my political views or my reason for being here on this board surprises me.
Let me make this CLEAR. I am for the dream... I am for the employee becoming the owner.... I am for self employment.... I am for business.... I am for MORE....
I don't like to see someone give up.... I don't like to see someone complacent.... I don't like someone who doesn't want more for their family and themselves...... I don't like 40 hour work weeks with a simple paycheck.....
It is very simple.
As a self made business person, I have succeeded. Was it given to me? No Did I quit when things were slow? No Do I understand and promote what perseverance is? YES, but there are limits. Do no harm to yourself and others. Success can be a struggle, but there are limits you need to set for yourself. How many a successful and happy man stands up and says "Boy, it was hard, I lost my wife, kids, car, home, retirement funds, but now I'm really making it!" Not many I'll bet and the ones who can say that can't be all that happy with themselves and for the harm caused to others.
9 times out of 10 that man will be working a meaningless job trying to get out of the debt he created and wishing he wouldn't have tried at all in the first place. See, now we have a broken person. I wish people do try and set their limits and if it doesn't work, try something else, but keep trying.
Matthew, I never once stated that I hated what the Team created. I never stated that "money doesn't make you happy" I may be crucified for this, but money does make a complete person "happier" you bet!
In all honesty the original concept of the Team is great by a business man's view. The money is in the marketing right? Not so much the products. The concept of taking something to another level and creating wealth is what we are all chasing right? Why are all of the "get rich, by selling this to others who want to be rich" doing so well? Everyone wants more and there is a neverending supply of people who are willing to pay to try it. No harm in making money this way is there? I wonder how many people have stated that they wish they had thought of the concept of the team. Alot I'll bet.
I have heard the phrase cult and brainwashed way too many times with Team. That has been the biggest public gripe of others right?
Hmmmm Seems to me that the Team has the same problems as many businesses do.. public relations...and social responsibility...
Get a bad reputation for something, make some changes and address it. Appear socially responsible. Don't attack others for their opinions. It won't change their mind.[i][/i]Cheese line? I think not...I am a motivator who wants people to do more, not be given more.......
You could have changed my mind on the team so easily with a proper response. Just think of how many others you could have affected as well.
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#39 · Posted: 16 Oct 2007 13:25
For a year I've been silently watching all these posts against TEAM. Levi, I spent 9 hours a year ago reading some forums on bad press about TEAM and I saw your name come up. I've even contacted you about your own home business. It was not for me, but good luck with your venture!
On this current discussion, I've been with TEAM for a year. I'm quite dismayed at the replies I've seen from people ON the TEAM and not on the TEAM. First, lets define "cult" (per dictionary.com)
cult �noun
1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
7. the members of such a religion or sect.
8. any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.
Someone mentioned the meeting they went to people were fanatical and waving arms, etc. Well, do they not do that at sporting events? (thus "fans") People paint their faces, take their shirts off, scream yell and clap for their favorite team. They are 'devoted' to that person or team. Some religiously follow all the stats and scores and throw things when their team loses. Are sports fans in a cult? Nothing wrong with being 'fanatical' about sports, everyone is entitled to their own lifestyle, but what about people? What's wrong with cheering for people in their personal growth and success? In my opinion, nothing. It feels great for people to SINCERELY be interested in me, not just themselves for a change.
As I said, I've been in it a year and have had more personal growth in that year than in 5 years. I have made money through the business and I plan to make more. However, if I never made a dime, the quality of friends I've made and my growth have made it worthwhile.
Mentors: Some stated that they convince you to sell your car, house, 401k, kids (just kidding lol) to make the business work. My leaders have NEVER said that to me or any of my teammates. I think the right mentor REALLY makes the difference in your experience. Just as in any job. You could work at Company A digging ditches and have a horrible boss. Go to Company B, have a wonderful boss who guides you and suddenly you're the best ditch digger there! Great leaders have powerful influence and since no one is perfect, leaders (TEAM mentors) have flaws too. I would encourage anyone looking at TEAM, don't knock it until you get the real facts from those who have been in it awhile.
The system ("tools") and all the other leadership education I get is priceless to me. They have made me a better person in my regular job and I've been able to stay away from the drama and negativity an office can bring. They've helped me improve myself.
All that said, TEAM is NOT for everyone. These are ALL my personal opinions and experiences and I tend to be a choleric that likes to be pretty straight forward. I was a TOTAL skeptic when I was presented with this business. I was still skeptical when I got in, but I decided to try it for awhile to give it a fair shot. So far, I've seen nothing wrong with it. The top leaders are making very positive transistions right now and they've never proven themselves wrong in my eyes. So, I guess we'll just all have to see where it goes, huh? It's kinda like religion. Religion is faith-based. No one can really prove where you'll end up in the end, but if it's not hurting you and only helping you, I say, why not?
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#40 · Posted: 17 Oct 2007 18:33
Turkoize...
A well thought out response.
I appreciate your position. My position deals with the 4 questions I presented early in the blog.
You're right. TEAM is not for everyone. But that doesn't make them losers then (not that you said that!). Infact, many leave TEAM and go on to be quite successful when they weren't successful there. When we started with TEAM it was all we knew. Therefore, it was the best. The more we learned, the more we struggled.
All of my comments came from my year working aggressively on my own TEAM business. They are 100% true and hopefully thoughtfully framed without bitterness or subjective emotion.
While you've not said to the contrary, it bears mentioning that principles of leadership and personal improvement is not confined to TEAM. Great association is not limited to that business. You are totally right. Your business experience there depends greatly on your mentors and leadership.
The system is of great value to you. You have a good basis to keep it up then. We did not see the same value in the training system and were already transforming ourselves with a system before we started TEAM. I've continued training myself and do see the value in that. I simply prefer to select my own materials.
I removed our family from the TEAM/Quixtar business as it did not make economic sense to continue. Ironically, Orrin has now separated from them after years of battling the same obstacle. Apparently, he also struggled with the pricing of the product from Quixtar for years, yet continued to build the business and talk about the great opportunity...often down playing the price of the products and the value of having a marketable product that the masses will buy. There was great emphasis put on the system and it's power to transform people, marriages, lives. In some cases it has...in others it has not. Again, as the transformational aspect of the system had little value to me, and the products were too expensive, there was no value to continue.
I also struggled with the doctrine of saying one thing (this is the greatest business out there) and knowing something else. It wasn't the greatest business out there to me, based on the total package...economics of the product line, the system, the association, the format of the business.
That does not discount the importance of the transformation I have, and continue to go through to become what He has created me to be.
Lastly, I left due to the idea that I could benefit while hurting someone entering the business, either in a financial way, or by not disclosing all the information that I wish I would have had disclosed to me when we started. It may benefit me, but a true leader is looking to help others at sacrifice to themselves...as I'm sure you already know.
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