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WARRANTIES4LESS
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#61 · Posted: 16 Sep 2009 08:02
Bottom line,
Just like Excel, with same $500. required up front, if you know the history of Excel, they were able to fight off regulators for years who were after them because the mass majority were making the money from what is called headhunting, or recruiting for pay.
If you strip out the $500. from compensation plan, no one would ever make enough to justify the effort in the most competitive industry ever, the telcom industry. Ask anyone what they are making on actual telcom services sold to anyone, and you will never get an anwer, and that is what everyone should base their decisions on, not what those super headhunters are earning.
Personally, when a person puts up their $500., if people are aware of where all the money is coming from, a company should be allowed to use this model, and many have, but for the majority, they will never earn back their investment, but the ones who work it can, and this is no different in all the programs that charge $500. to join. There are many similar structures in both TelCom and Travel, and for good reason, you can't hope to make much selling the actual services, remove the headhunter cost and you just removed the income, and that is the bottom line.
There are very few TelCom deals where you can make much selling the actual services. The latest trend is in the VOIP industry whereby they promote saving money, but after you get in you learn you won't be saving anything. When choosing a company, the one with the lowest upfront cost is the best rule of thumb when making your decision. The higher the start up cost, the less potential for the mass majority who start their own business.
I have been in the TelCom industry since deregulation, and I made some good money over the years, but this was before the market became so competitive and profits were squeezed out of traditional TelCom. The only way to make money in TelCom these days is by making it on headhunting, or have a new VOIP-COIP technology which puts dial tone to your mobile phone bypassing peak bandwidth issues due to texting explosion which sucks bandwidth to a point the new iPhone 3GS was not being supported by AT&T as was reported in Wall Street Journal finally exposing the cellular industries secret, they are running out of bandwidth. Get ahead of a trend in any industry and you will at least have a shot at success, and VOIP-COIP industry is about to explode as it addresses this issue head on, and is cost free to join industry leader, no headhunting, a first. lol
Success to all,
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#62 · Posted: 21 Oct 2009 13:09
Hello Everyone, I posted this back in 2006 when I was a student at UCI. I am no longer doing research on ACN so please stop emailing me. If you want to know whether or not I think it's a scam- I can't say that you won't make money at all, but I can say that even if you are the best salesperson in the world, MLMs are a dead end street regardless of the market. Eventually you will run out of people to sell to.
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winwin
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#63 · Posted: 22 Oct 2009 14:41
You spelled, "haters" wrong. but I can see by the tone of your email this is not a welcoming environment for newcomers. I was once open-minded about the company, but after viewing your hostility toward everyone in the forum, I've decided to get involved with a more professional organization. You DO still work there right? Or did you start your record company?
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#64 · Posted: 23 Oct 2009 08:56
youngwby: Hello Everyone, I posted this back in 2006 when I was a student at UCI. I am no longer doing research on ACN so please stop emailing me. If you want to know whether or not I think it's a scam- I can't say that you won't make money at all, but I can say that even if you are the best salesperson in the world, MLMs are a dead end street regardless of the market. Eventually you will run out of people to sell to.
Everyday someone is born, everyday somone turns 18., everyday someone gets a job. everyday someone is getting paid...its not possible to run out of people to sell to....especially on the internet wih the entire world out there!! everyday someone wants more than they have....as a result we will apways have abundance.
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#65 · Posted: 11 Dec 2009 20:00
I'm just going to keep this short and simple. The company isn't bad, the pay structure isn't the best, and the product in any company never matters but so much, it really comes down to you at the end of the day. In most MLM companies it comes down to what you are willing to do to have success, and believe me as a former ACN rep I can tell you, it's not going to come easy. Only reason I really left ACN was because of my mentor who was a top earner went to another company with a better compensation plan. But at the end of the day, it all comes down to how hard you willing to work to make YOUR business work.
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mildsauce31
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#66 · Posted: 7 Jan 2010 18:53
I like the ACN model and business. I am really looking forward to join but I want more information about the business from someone that's in the business and had done well in it not 50,000 a month but if your willing to talk to me I'd be glad to talk with you guys. I would like to get as much information as I can before I join ACN. I do not have the money to buy in yet but I have researched it a lot and not getting much help from anyone. Please contact me if your so willing to help me with something that you have succeed at. Thanks.
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#67 · Posted: 13 Jan 2010 17:34
There are cost of being ACN Rep. About 499 USD to begin, about 149 yearly - annual fee, monthly fees about six bucks and administrative fee of $1. It is about 230 USD yearly. At 1% commission, total billing would have to be over $23,000 or about $1940/mo. That's about 40 average customers. And this is to break even!
You might want to consider that you are responsible for the payment of bills that aren't paid by your customers that you sign up!
The company's structure is the same as any pyramid scheme, the people at the top of the ladder make all of the money, and the person at the bottom does all the work and gains very little compensation.
The ACN scam claims that profits are rising fast, although their profit information for the company is not made available to its agents or the general public.
Watch This Video Below For A Little Better Of A Eye Opener
Fox News On ACN Telecommunications
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#68 · Posted: 14 Jan 2010 00:23
I was an ACN distributor many years ago, it was a great company, but I gave up on MLM's a while back.
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#69 · Posted: 16 Feb 2010 15:15
lpm6229
Dude, good look with the part where you say "and my reps will recruit people", that aint happening. You just wait. You will sign up a few people and they will be sooooo gun ho and enthusiastic and once they get shot down a few dozen times they will quit. You will see. Its a business for only the right type of person and its very very difficult to find those types of people.
good luck.
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#70 · Posted: 27 Feb 2010 05:43
ACn.Inc is not a scam. i have been approached with Acn one time. It was from a Manager of Discount tire here in Charlotte. Acn is a basic company, business pyramid or umbrella what ever you call it. To Me Acn sounded like a good choice at the time. when you join ACN they hype you up and want you to feed the company to your friends and family. THe main Product is a Video Phone that is suppose to be the NEW AGE PHONE to where you can see who your talking to and ex. They are the middle man of Communication Technology. ACN works with all the Popular Wireless Carriers AT&T, SPRINT,VERIZON And you get the drift,and home services ADT HOME SECURITY AND MORE.. The trainers want you to invite people over to your house and let them watch the dvd, That is the CATCH. INVITE FRIENDS AND FAMILY OVER TO WATCH THE DVD. WHICH IS SUPPOSE TO SELL ITSELF, AND IF YOU DONT JOIN ACN THEY TRY TO MAKE YOU A CUSTOMER. SO TECHNICALLY YOU ARE SELLING PRODUCTS. services to help save money. ACN isnt really residual income, just depends on how big your team is and how much they work.
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#71 · Posted: 10 Jun 2010 22:28
ACN is Scam. We shall not do business with friends and relatives. You help them and don't make money from them. If you drag them in you are responsible if they are not getting good service or good deal comparable to the market.
If you wish to compute end result use finite model of small city with finite numbre of people and few agents. You will know maximum number of agents who can make money and how many ill loose money
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#72 · Posted: 12 Jul 2010 17:18
OK...Here's my 2 cents. ACN is not a scam. I am no longer a rep for them but it's not because they were scammers. You can only get out what you put in. It's hard work. You really have to put your feet to the concrete. They will only walk you thru the presentation for so long, then its up to YOU to make it for yourself. They will help you but they will not spoonfeed you for long. For me, I'm not a sales person. I'm not one to try to go out and convince people to purchase/invest their money into something. I don't know how to be politically correct when it comes to answering questions and giving people guarantees about their future and their committment. The only guarantee is that if you work HARD, you will get rewarded but YOU gotta determine your destiny with ACN and any MLM group.
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#73 · Posted: 13 Jul 2010 20:41
Well...I have been following this thread and read through the majority of the posts and chances are this debate will go on forever, the real figure earners will NEVER say it's a scam while those that struggle and quit will ALWAYS say it's a scam. Another thing that is apparent is people tend to throw the word scam around without any real basis. By definition a pyramid scam is one in which the participants are paid to recruit other members without a product or service being offered, here that is not the case.
Also, there was someone here who claimed that ACN was a scam because a particular individual ripped them off, now that REALLY is unfortunate and that is a hazard that people in this industry must watch for but to say that ACN as a WHOLE is a scam because if it is like saying that the McDonald's corporation is a sham because ONE of the employees spit in your food.
But at the primary reason for all the attrition and confusion and frustration can be summed up by this quote from industry titan Mike Dillard "this is an industry of business ownership pursued largely by people who have never owned a business". If you are on the fence about joining ANY network marketing opportunity take a step back and look at it WITHOUT the emotions clouding your judgment and realize that even though it's not a traditional brick and mortar business the risk and the amount of leg work that needs to be put in are almost equal.
And I'll end my admittedly long-winded rant with this: we did not wait our whole lives to sell vitamins and telecommunications services, so to have success in this racket there is a certain way of viewing it that you have to adopt first and foremost: WE as marketers sell a SYSTEM that markets the products to customers and we SORT FOR LEADERS TO DO THE SAME (not harassing Joe Blow and Jane Doe)
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#74 · Posted: 25 Jul 2010 13:41
I know a bunch of people who have made six figures a year here in the USA and Canada. I have also known a lot who have failed in the company as well.
One thing I always learned through out my 13 years in the business. What you put it in a company, you will get back out.
Mostly the ones who fail are the ones who quit after talking to a few people which say no.
However, I have also known that the company has given bonuses to a lot of top earners from other companies. They give these bonuses so the top earners can bring their downlines or groups from the competitor.
They tried to do that to me, however this is something that a lot of MLM companies do behind the scenes. They offer a bonus out of the regular comp plan to entice a leader to bring their whole group of agents in return. Some of these bonuses are bridges and some are even over 6 figures.
Just being truthful.
Kevin
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#75 · Posted: 11 Aug 2010 02:15
I have been with ACN for two years now, It is the most incredible company I have ever been in...and believe me I have try, Melaleuca, Amway, Herbalife, Tupperware...........nothing is compare to ACN.
I have seen this company grow like crazy, i have visit the main building in NC amazing.....I have visit them in Montreal also....amazing! I have sign today my first partner in South Korea and believe me that is amazing.......... within a year i will be able to retire myself but believe me that is work, dedication and a real why......a reason to do the business. So instead of reading all the gossip here....just do your own search, listen to your heart and go for it........the only one you will disapoint it is you if you do not get your piece of the pie. Anyone wants a good leader to follow......contact me......I am helping all my downline......and having fun with them.....!
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#76 · Posted: 14 Aug 2010 04:43
I was wondering about this the other day, so there's no way of making money from this except from the recruiting...
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#77 · Posted: 17 Aug 2010 22:00
ACN is about 2 things: Finding people who want to save money, and finding people who want to make money. That's really it. The reps get paid based on customer acquisition just like a cell phone store: An up-front contract bonus, but on top of that, a very small part of the bill each month.
My friends on my team are making about 1K to 2K per month in bonuses, but only about $11-$20 per month in residuals. ACN will pay up front customer acquisition bonuses while you build the residual income.
People are going to pay these bills regardless if they join or not, and sometimes ACN's monthly pricing is better than the competition. Not to mention they partnered up with the top telecom providers out there.
My problem with ACN is not the partnership, the BBB accreditation, Donald Trump's endorsement, or the well designed pay plan, but the fact that they want you to do business with friends and family.
I don't care for 1 second if it is against their "system", I am only going to deal with other network marketers or business owners. If my friends want to join, they will ask me how or find a way to get in. This is strictly my opinion.
Yes, I am in ACN and I do not regret it, but I can tell you I have made about 70 times more money promoting affiliate products than in ACN right now. At the same time, two of my friends and business partners are making about 3 times as much as my affiliate business.
Take it or leave it, it does have potential and I have seen the proof, but it does take work, determination, goal setting skills, and a strong reason to MAKE it work no matter what.
Thank you
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#78 · Posted: 3 Sep 2010 13:39
I just joined can and you can't get paid without customers. Your holiness Rep, if he's smart will help and train you to do so or they are not really getting paid like you would think. My Rep wont stop calling me and my team of two. They are so many training sessions available, its unbelievable. So clearly it depends on who you are connected to. No customers = no residuals, no bonuses. It does require that the information be shown to a lot of people, but business partners and customers will be minimal without doing so. You can either get loads of customers and rely solely on residual or you can recruit people that will help you get customers. You don't have to recruit but it will be that much harder. That's why you they promote recruiting plus you can get bonuses when your group gets a certain amount of customers within the first 30 days...otherwise it doesn't count. Do your research and actually work the business before you come to a conclusion.
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#79 · Posted: 27 Sep 2010 02:26
Some of the comments I read in this blog simply do not make any sense to me. People comment on ACN without having even a faintest idea about the telecom industry in general. For instance, in Canada, only two main companies -- Bell and Rogers -- have their own networks. The other companies (including almighty Allstream, former AT&T) rent Bell’s networks, but does it mean that they are frauds and liars? ACN has its own digital network for their own Videophone and it means exactly that -- IT BELONGS TO ACN, not to Rogers, Bell , Verizon or AT&T.
It's a pretty narrow-minded of anyone to rely on gossip of the employees to judge a company. What “they” say does not matter. I was employed by a few telecom companies and must say that a vast majority of employees have an unpleasant tendency to produce more garbage about their employers, than good things. Such is life!!!
We need to rely on facts, but to do so we need to have a clear business idea as to what really hides behind every failure, every hostile remark. Millions of people spend thousands of dollars on golf (gear, lessons, videos etc.) and most of them fail miserably, and never reach Tiger Wood’s level. So, does it make the Golf industry a fraud?
Collecting gossip will not make anybody’s life happier and more successful.
As one of the bloggers (in post #13) already pointed out : ACN provides an opportunity, not an easy way to get rich. Just like in any job, one has to work his/her arse off to get it moving. Imagine only what will you, guys, have to do to raise your own business? Say, you’ve just opened a travel agency, or even a Real Estate business (a good example of a socially-approved MLM business) -- you will surely be relying on support of anyone (friends, family, friends of friends and so on) who, helpfully will send some prospective customers in your way.
Here is a little info to those who agreed with Bucky in the post #6, as he put it: “The only way you make money is to recruit, recruit, recruit.” Wrong, Bucky! You do not have a clue and you judge the company! In ACN a representative needs to complete his requirements which are: his personal 20 customers (ONLY!!!) in his lifetime + 3 new representatives who will become his ACN team (i.e. the first level of reps). Once this is done, it is a duty of every rep to take attention off himself and start helping to the people in his 1 line to complete their requirements. In turn, once completed their “20 customers/3 reps” requirement, the people in the 1st line have a moral duty to help to their recruits, and so on. It’s like paying forward. Recruit, recruit, recruit???? No, Bucky, you are wrong.
Pointless to discuss what makes sense in the ACN compensation plan what not �" it’s all simple math and let it be the matter for those who graduated from the High School and know how to count.
Frankly, guys, I’d rather work my regular job and, on a side, do ACN at my own pace, than walk this earth angry, suspicious, hating everything that I do not understand, and do nothing. With ACN or without it, most people in America and Canada will retire with a tiny-tiny little pension and no additional income to support themselves in the old age. It does not matter if I win or fail in my business. What matters is that at least I have tried to change my life for the better.
Cheers to all and good luck,
Dominic
P.S. Watch this video with Bill Clinton on MLM and give a different thought to this matter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_eGbfTPbGY
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#80 · Posted: 28 Sep 2010 04:26
ACN is just a franchise formule.
They only learn you personal development how to earn a RESIDUAL income over time.
By building up your own business /company, by searching for the right people that want to earn a second income, and those that are motivated enough to created a enormous Residual income by teambuilding, and learning in the process to the roll Vice President of your own big /small company what you built over in time, how to speak to your team of people.
( this is a point of view) in live where you want to stand for.
All positions are set upon freelance regulation, flexible working hours, and no targets.
You work with already existing activities in a job or in combination with an existing enterprise.
For the challenge, adventure long term residual income.
The business pays on several services and performance bonus.
When someone’s decision is not to longer use the service the residual income still remains.
(Where in corporate world you need to work every day the rest of your live for the same rate a hour,
While at your work, you need to do every day a lot off effort to get paid in end of the month.
These concepts can multiply in time and speed your income by taking every day one effort and get paid over and over in time for the same action depending off your skills searching costumers or representative.
(Ideal also to addition of a pension: The rights are even going to the legacies.)
Where in corporate world you need to work for every day and in the end pension is half of the income that I work for.
(While at the company, you need to do every day a lot off effort to get paid in end of the month. )
There are a lot off solid Direct marketing company's with good products this system is already more than 40 years old(out date)
The biggest company in the early days saw that mouth to mouth promoting of a product betters works than advertisement, TV end.
Most company tell you that they don’t guaranty that everbody
But this is a concept not for every body you need to learn the skills and development to rich that level. no body tells you that NETWORK MARKETING is get quick rich concept.
It’s like the Cashflow Quadrant where are you standing what do you want what is your vision.
The one ho tell you earn a lot of money in short time are bad entrepreneurs.
Because every body knows that you need to keep the NECESSARY time an COMMITMENT to suceed, and it take time to find the right people to business with and that’s where a lot off people fall in, that with pointing fingers bad business, pyramide .bla bla.
Only things are there is a Opportunity in this enormous industry.
Question is / is it something for you ,why do you wake up every morning for,whats your passion for live ,thinking about your legacies maybe
Me I’m a low adicate man with in the corporate world with a very low income, I work for almost 13 years as a Agency employment,
With production company's.
Less than 8 Euros’ a hour netto,
Now i learn how to earn more by doing the right things,
And they never told me it was easy money.
But I’m no stupid in my team is a young boy age +22 and start with this concept for 8 months ago with zero and he is earning + 34.000Euro a month Residual and is Team coordinator.
Me know for almost 5 years busy with concept and don’t earn a daim.
I do something wrong BUT WHAT
I never had a network but you need built up your network to exploit your product is simple as that.
I’m no sales man I don’t sell anything I’m only share a point of view or a vision.
I/m Learning to be a business man by searching costumers or representative’s that’s only a part of the process to build up your company.
Most off all you’re an Selection Company , select the right people. In time it will grow and also your income.
You need to learn something’s in live what is it for you.
What do you want, where are you standing, whats your motivation, how do you think
What a mind can conceive and believe it will achieve untill it succeed.
With friendly regards,
Johan Wieringh
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