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AppealMarketing
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#81 · Posted: 24 Nov 2007 17:14
Hi TJam,
It is not sequential, it is a random weighted rotator, meaning a regular member has a weighted level of 2, where someone who has purchased booster pack #3 has a weighted level of 5, they would have a better chance of getting a rotator sale than the non-booster pack member. But remember, it is random, that's why the NBA team with more chances in the player lottery doesn't always win the #1 spot. I hope this clears it up.
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TJamMoneyMan
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#82 · Posted: 24 Nov 2007 17:32
Well I guess that explains why I didn't make the NBA 1st round draft pick!
(If the New York Knicks don't want me, I won't go!)
I'll be looking into that booster pack...
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mikepressnell
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#83 · Posted: 24 Nov 2007 22:20
No one can GUARANTEE you will make x amount of money!!!
No one can GUARATEE you your busines will grow with you putting forth the effort!!!
Do your research about ANY company you are considering becoming associated with and......
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TJamMoneyMan
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#84 · Posted: 24 Nov 2007 22:26
Quoting: mikepressnell No one can GUARANTEE you will make x amount of money!!! No one can GUARATEE you your busines will grow with you putting forth the effort!!!
TRUE!
They can guarantee ANYTHING but not necessarily back it up!
BUT,
your business probably WON'T grow without effort, THAT'S for sure!
A guaranteed payment though, I believe refers to the fact that IF someone buys your product, you WILL get a certain payout, per sale.
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jvco
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#85 · Posted: 25 Nov 2007 04:27
It seems to me that the omly one making money with 2020 is Marv Dorn.
Answer this:
if the company is so great then why is there not a number to call and talk to someone. And I'm not talking about a sponsors number either.
Why is the John(if thats his real name)the founder have to put everone in by hand???
Something is fishy and I will find out. I think this will last long enough for the guy to make his quick buck and then it will disappear into the lost mlm sea(along with the thousands of other mlm wannabe companies.
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TJamMoneyMan
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#86 · Posted: 26 Nov 2007 06:39
Quoting: jvco Marv, Let's be straight with people. How much have you really spent on promoting and how much have you really made? If you do the number of signups which is less than 200 hundred and your team is doing 70% then you can't hype the answer here.
You can check right now and see that the membership is up to 211.
(Which will no doubt change by the time you read this).
Marv is pretty upfront about the money he is spending to advertise and the results he claims.
His last sales report posted definitely corresponded with the increase in membership at the time which was THEN at 206, up from 196.
It is simple math that his percentage of the total sales will change as other people get sales. Also, so we shouldn't get too hung up on that figure. It's meaningless, accurate or not.
I have issues with the rotator as well, which I have posted.
Apparently, the way to get quicker results with the rotator is to buy one of the booster packs, OR (slower) just sit on your butt and see what happens.
It's not Marv's fault that he is earning the most money.
As far as I can see he does the most in the way of promotion!
I just wish 2020 site owner John B. and/or anyone who has indeed received rotator payments would speak up.
One person did, if you search the previous posts.
In any event, you don't even know if these folks are being truthful!
I would suggest you either play the waiting game and see if the rotator pays off - two payouts and you are in the clear. If so, you can then post your results, which would only increase your chance of earning more 'effortless' payouts.
Or, you could promote the site yourself and see what happens.
Marv has some excellent promotional tools useful for 2020 and other programs as well.
I wish I had signed up for 2020u under him, rather than the unresponsive sponsor I chose via email ad.
Even HE though must be getting paid, since he at least got MY $20!
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maricel
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#87 · Posted: 26 Nov 2007 09:31
Hi,
To shed some light on a few figures, I have spent $120 marketing this product and have received 5 sign ups, two at level 1 which must be my direct sign ups and 3 at level two which are either sign ups from sign ups or they are rotator sign ups, I have no way of knowing which they are, most of the marketing spend is still active so I would hope to get a few more for my money before it finishes, none of the marketing was through Marvs coopp ads as the waiting list was so long.
Regards
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jonnap
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#88 · Posted: 26 Nov 2007 17:34
I just joined this and we'll see how it goes... I'll be writing a reviw of it to my blog once I see results. I'm doing really well with Income 4 Beginners right now, Ihope I'll do just as well with this! 
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AppealMarketing
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#89 · Posted: 27 Nov 2007 01:57
Hello All,
I have no idea why the forum is getting new messages and I don't receive an email for alot of them, oh well, at least I see there is some action going on in here, that's a good thing.
Hi jvco - I guess the reason Marv Dorn is making the most sales (and my group is outselling me 78 to 46) is because Marv Dorn has thought out of the box with his co-op ad program and is actually helping his customers promote 2020unlimited, by being available via phone & email for questions, by putting together a 2020 marketing plan (that I even offered to share with anyone on the forum via PM & it will work for ANY program), by putting out a weekly newsletter for all my customers and prospects, by promoting 2020 (and 6 other programs, all profitable) EVERY SINGLE DAY using the advertising sources in my 2020 marketing plan, by giving my direct customers their own html ads to promote (they have to request it from me and I will create it and email it to them) and of course by the 2020 co-op advertising plan.
The owner of 2020 is John Balfour out of the Atlanta area. What do you know of John?? What makes you think he is out to make a quick buck, then bail?? I probably know him better than anyone here and he is a very hard working (works 50-60hrs a week in his JOB) comes home and builds all sites by hand for accuracy and does them very quickly for all 200+ members. He is building a quality product and people are quickly noticing this and are joining left and right. And by the way 2020 is not a MLM, it is a people helping people program, that pays you to help your customers. By the way, I don't ever recall seeing a phone number for the owner of any other program, John is available via email and is prompt in returning them.
Hi Maricel - Great job on the sales so far, I hope everyone realizes that those 2 #1 sales can turn into much more than $40, every sale they make will add another $20 into your pocket and reduce the ad cost/sale.
I guess I've rambled on long enough, have to get back to working on this weeks newletter, good night all.
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#90 · Posted: 27 Nov 2007 23:31
Hi jvco,
I didn't really notice your first post until just now, I noticed you think I am lying to everyone about my online marketing experience. If you happen to go thru the income4beginners forum thread, you will see my story a couple of times. Just a quick version here is in order. I had a kidney transplant on July 23rd of this year, I received an email about income4beginners, after I got home from the hospital, on Aug 1st and signed up for it. I placed a craigslist ad that night and made my first online sale to Jim S. from Michigan later that night. My I4B uid=1985 and not 0001. I am a very technical person (worked for IBM for 16 yrs on mainframe computers) and taught myself html, which I keep telling EVERYONE that they need to learn to make colorful ads that people will actually read, once again, google: html tutorial and click on w3schools link, very good free source. The previous 3 years before my transplant I spent on dialysis, in which I was too tired to do much of anything!! Any other questions? Good night all.
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#91 · Posted: 28 Nov 2007 05:22
I'm sorry if I came across in the wrong way. I'm glad your having success. I have been burned by people who go to these forums and just are there to scam people. They have really gotting sophisticated with the way they lure people in. I'm not saying your one, but you have to be very careful out here in web world. I too have struggled lately. I lost my high paying job Oct. 5th and have been all over the internet and searched high and low for something that I can do to provide for my family. I've tried differant things but none of them have panned out. Most require you to keep forking out money for ads or product or whatever. Isn't there a something that really works that doesn't require a ton of money? Or computer experience?
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#92 · Posted: 28 Nov 2007 06:43
Quoting: jvco I lost my high paying job Oct. 5th and have been all over the internet and searched high and low for something that I can do to provide for my family. I've tried differant things but none of them have panned out.
jvco, I appreciate your honesty. I too found it hard to believe Marv was so new at this. I have investigated as best as I can and found no reason to not believe what he says. His obvious computer savvy explains a lot of things along that line.
Like you, I am in a stressful financial situation and am SERIOUSLY investigating this online business thing so many people claim to be so successful with.
I don't know for sure at this point. EVERYONE could be lying, wherever necessary, in an attempt to gain whatever sales they can before disappearing into the internet netherworld until their next online venture.
I really hope I can find something that can truly generate a decent cash flow. I don't need anywhere NEAR the $1,000 per MINUTE, people claim to be earning daily either.
Just a modestly profitable venture that I can actualize.
Like you though, I am not one to recoil from calling it like I see it.
I hope people like you and I, who are seriously looking for an affordable online venture that the regular newbie can make profitable, can be successful as a result of our efforts, and actually find something we can believe in.
If we network together, honestly and unflinchingly asking questions, seeking and SHARING information, maybe we can make sense of things.
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#93 · Posted: 1 Dec 2007 05:05
I hope you guys don't mind me getting in on the conversation.
First of all, this whole internet marketing thing takes a lot of time and effort. Especially if you're just starting out. I've noticed that most people who are searching for a way to make money online are struggling financially and don't realize that you may have to spend more money to make money. (After you've already joined a business or purchased some money making product)
Don't get me wrong, there are a ton of free ways to promote your business, but it takes more time and effort than the average person is willing to do. That's why people run to these programs that "CLAIM" to be completely automated, on rotators, or whatever they're saying now days. While some may be true, you're probably only going to get one sale every 2 months and that won't change your financial situation. You have to actually put in the leg work if you want that life changing income.
I'm a member of one of the "BIG TICKET" programs and made some good money, but I won't promote it anymore because it's too hard for the average person to start generating an income. They spend most of their money joining the program and don't have anything left to promote it. So now I only promote affordable programs that people can build on and eventually move up to bigger and better things.
I could go on and on.....but I think I'll shut up now because I'm getting off topic.
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#94 · Posted: 2 Dec 2007 14:50
Hey jvco,
You've found it, 2020 doesn't require alot of money to make sales, you trade your time for money, by consistently and persistently placing ads in free to low cost advertising sources. $10 pro memberships in a few of the web based safelists will do wonders, but you have to be creative with your subject lines and ad copy. I keep saying this over and over, but it's true, a html designed ad will out produce a plain text ad everyday of the week. Baisc html is all you need along with a free ewisoft website builder to put together your ad and to see changes in WYSIWYG real time. Go to my first site below and look for web hosting at top left links, you can get a free download of the ewisoft website builder there, I use the paid version, so i don't know what limitations the free version has, but it should do the job to create a nice html ad for you. Basic html knowledge is available free on the internet, just google: html tutorials and click on w3schools link. I hope this helps.
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#95 · Posted: 2 Dec 2007 15:57
Marv, I just join 2020Unlimited under you..what happy next. Am I gonna receive email? All I did it's pay fees and I didn't even enter any email address or anything like that when I sign up? Am I doing it right??
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#96 · Posted: 4 Dec 2007 15:13
Hi girlwork,
This has already been taken care of offline. The signup procedure is as follows:
1) make payment #1 of $20 to your direct sponsor, then hit return to merchant
2) make payment #2 of $20 to your sponsor's, sponsor, then hit return to merchant
3) make a $9.99 payment to 2020unlimited, hit return to merchant
4) fill out registration form
5) site's are built by hand, can take up to 24hrs to be ready, you will receive an email from 2020unlimited when site is ready, with your links to your site and members area.
I hope this helps.
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maricel
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#97 · Posted: 6 Dec 2007 17:40
Hi Marv,
Still doing well I see, well done. Would you care to share your results from the search post mailings, what on average do you expect by way of click through. I purchased the US targetted mailing that you recommended using the html ad that you kindly created for me, 1 1/2 days later according to clickaudit the ad had produced 13 hits to the site!!!!!. Even for a cheapo $50 mailing this is pretty poor, just wondered if you were getting similar results.
Regards
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TJamMoneyMan
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#98 · Posted: 6 Dec 2007 21:50
Quoting: teydean I've noticed that most people who are searching for a way to make money online are struggling financially and don't realize that you may have to spend more money to make money. (After you've already joined a business or purchased some money making product)
YES teydean.
This is the question I always ask and seldom get an answer to:
How much cost (in time and money) does a particular online money making venture require.
It's a simple question few promoters are willing to be completely honest about!
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#99 · Posted: 6 Dec 2007 21:55
I know someone else that feels just like you do.
Quoting: teydean I'm a member of one of the "BIG TICKET" programs and made some good money, but I won't promote it anymore because it's too hard for the average person to start generating an income. They spend most of their money joining the program and don't have anything left to promote it. So now I only promote affordable programs that people can build on and eventually move up to bigger and better things.
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#100 · Posted: 7 Dec 2007 04:17
Be wary of this scheme. I've just had my PayPal account 'permanently limited' because apparently using 2020unlimited violates their Acceptable Usage Policy. This means I am banned from PayPal for life! No warning, no appeal. I've been with PayPal for 4 years, on eBay for 8 and this has basically stuffed my eBay buying and selling as well as several PayPal subscriptions I have.
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