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#21 · Posted on 13 Jan 2009 10:26
Hi boosey12
There are hundreds if not thousands of stories just like yours. It is unfortunate of your lose of funds especially in today's economy. Also, very happy to hear you have not giving up on a home base business.
I have found that there are three basic roadblocks that stop people from becoming successful in their network marketing or Internet Marketing Business.
1. They cannot sell
2. They cannot recruit or sponsor others
3. They do not know how to effectively market or advertise.
Searching for that perfect home base business can be a challenge. The juice market is saturated with one opportunity after another. Don't get me wrong, there are many really good companies that do carry an exceptional juice product. However, one must ask the very important question, "What exactly do I have to do to be successful in your company?"
Then what is the company going to do for you to become successful. One should find a business that has a history of satisfied customers as well as satisfied associates.
Here is an ideal business model. The company does all the advertising for you to generate real customers from TV, Radio and magazine advertising. Then you can buy the rights to future purchases of these customers while the company continues with advertising, marketing, research & development, products & inventory, shipping, payments, follow up and more. The company does all the back-end marketing and uses the most effective form of direct marketing which are catalogs and journals sent directly to the customers 18 times per year. This generates even more orders from satisfied buying customers.
We call this co-operative marketing.
One other item, if nutrition is not the route you wish to take at this time, keep searching for that niche to make it happen online for you.
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#22 · Posted on 13 Jan 2009 22:26
I used to do Quixtar as well. Most people pour alot more money into that system then they get out of it. I still order the laundry detergent though, good stuff 
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#23 · Posted on 14 Jan 2009 20:23 · Edited by: BeAChampion
boosey12: My dad and I decided to start doing these MLM businesses,
I've done MLM too but I've found my greatest successes in promoting big-ticket products (anything that costs $1,000 or more but also pays out commissions of $1,000 or more) on the back-end of a funnel system.
A funnel system builds a solid relationship with your potential customer by explaining to your customer the benefits of your product and also the "HOW" is your customer going to get targeted customers to their business (web site) so they too can achieve their financial goals (if the product also has a compensation plan attached to it).
On the front end of the funnel system you have to have a front-end product that costs around $50 usually that basically will cover most, if not all of your marketing or advertising costs.
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#24 · Posted on 20 Jan 2009 00:38
tswprez: I used to work for GNC ... still have friends that do work for the company and they all say the same thing... Accai (spelling??) is a great seller ... The Monavie people created this whole market but you don't own the market so now just like NONI and GOJI and all the other juices people that you educated are going to the local Walmart or GNC or whole foods and picking it up for less money. You cannot plan to stay in a juice based MLM long-term... it doesn't work history proves it time and time again.
LOL, its so nice to see someone with retail experience.
I have a retail supplement business. I attend the products convention every year.
It NEVER fails...what ever drink is available in an MLM is ALWAYS available to retailers. When they tell you its "exclusive" there is an invisible asterisk "exclusive to the MLM industry!"
And oh my...how much business the retail industry has done because of advertising (word of mouth or other). Consumers don't want to pay the high prices (that if they stopped to think about it, they would realize the inflated price covers the sellers & uplines commissions). Sea Silver is a great example. With their conventional advertising, store sales were HUGE!
Yes...its the same formula. Different label. There's one manufacturer that sells all of the them. The drinks are lined up on a long table so you can sample. It's ironic. They'll even private label for your store! (Think Trader Joe's - nearly everything is private label.)
Then there is the longevity factor. Consumers tend to change products every 90 days until they find something they love, or something they are satisfied with. That's a lot of "churn" in an MLM company. They are dropping out the back as fast as you add them.
Sound familiar?
Then there is "the really sick" that might benefit from your product. How are you going to get them away from the doctor and his approval? How are you going to show them the interactions with whatever perscription they are already on? And how many "really sick" people are you capable of dealing with? They might rally a bit, and still perish (trying to be gentle here). How great of a testimony is it if they rallied, then died?
Correct...you can't stay in nutrition MLMs for long...and hense, more churn!
Now, that said, I have heard of a different nutritional product. The trade show is in March...I wonder if will be available for retail yet! I've never tracked it before. It may be this fall (I don't attend that one) or next year, depending on the demand that is created.
And no, because of the cost to the store they can't make the needed markup to sell the MLM product retail.
Too funny.
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#25 · Posted on 20 Jan 2009 13:51
Damn that sucks! I used to take monavie and liked it but def pricey. Never got into the mlm side of it. I personally take Univera now and know several people that sell it. Great product and they do well with it. It is growing steadily from what i can tell and the research and development of it is very solid. That might be one to check into. But i also agree with the others, affiliate marketing is what i would focus on.
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#26 · Posted on 20 Jan 2009 17:32
Cooperative Marketing that Trivita offers is all that I will do now. I ran into the same issues as you did and many others. Distributor's always dropping out and having to replace them. I was going to stop being involved with any kind of MLM type business when I found a hybrid with Trivita, which utilizes a cooperative marketing model. Trivita has the longest running TV infommercial for it's patented sublingual b12 and also does some other print and media advertising where they obtain the customers. We have people that were in Univera, Monavie, Shaklee, Amway, Herbalife, Melaluca and ITV Ventures that are thrilled to be able to purchase the lifetime buying rights to customer's with 18 follow ups by mail with catalogs and journals a year done by the company, plus a weekly health related email, so no contact is necesary with the customer unless you wish to. This way you have the Cooperative Marketing aspect for customer's, and the more MLM like payouts if you also wish to share the business opportunity where you earn additional bonus' and commissions. Some people just buy alot of customer's and earn on their lifetime purchases. These customer's can also refer other customer's, so you end up with some free customers that you get the same 21% commissions on.
The other great part is Trivita has over 50 products, so you are not competing for the market share of one or two products. All are pharmaceutical grade, bio-available, some are patented, some have had extensive clinical studies done and all have a 100% 60 day money back guarantee. There is a new product launching in March, the Sonoran Bloom that is projected to be a billion dollar product and will have an infommercial as well.
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#27 · Posted on 23 Jan 2009 12:11
Sorry to hear that. I started with Monavie after convincing my wife into it. But everyone I talked to thought it was to expensive and have tried several products like it. But I got and and good think I did. I bounced right back into it just recently and can tell you to go with a good mlm you need to pick a product you believe in and is not already out there. I was fortunate enough to get in on my new mlm that just launched on Jan 9th. And there is no other product like it. Best of luck and don't give up you can make good money in MLM...
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#28 · Posted on 3 Feb 2009 23:09 · Edited by: nmdbrian
You'll see my post above. I am a former Team/Q/Monavie member. I've been building a new business now. I thank the training myself and others in my organization have received in the years with Team, which I believe is definitely a big factor in our recent success. We have already added almost 90 people this year to our organization. As any tried and true Team person would say.. We are FIRED UP!!
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#29 · Posted on 4 Feb 2009 08:46
Is it not hard to get people in on your product? I mean vitamins are a hard sell since there are so many out there already. Wouldn't it be easier to work with a product that is a one of a kind product? With my product you can actually feel the results within 3-5 min after taking.
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#30 · Posted on 28 Feb 2009 09:49
We went over 155 last night, and no signs of slowing down anywhere.
Personally, I haven't had a lot of trouble. Doctors everywhere are telling people of the benefits of liquid vitamins. One of my team members showed up to a house this week of his former upline mentor, a former Quixtar teammate of ours and told him he had something to show him. The guy asks "what is it?" Our GBG rep says "Liquid Vitamins" His former upline says.. "My doctor was just telling me last week that I needed to be taking a liquid vitamin..." So he signed up and ordered a 7 pack, and got someone else in the same night.
It's really that easy for anyone who actually makes an effort. I used to get excited doing power player and getting 5-15 people a month into Quixtar. I hit the power player level 3 different times. Once I did it in one month out of the major! That difficult training experience has paid off, as our new business has added over 140 people in the last two months. Night and day difference.
I'd like to thank Orrin W. & Team and Quixtar for training us. MonaVie was a nightmare and proved to be a bad, expensive move for everyone I know, even some that are having a hard time quitting. Many of our former crossline friends are at a leadership conference in St. Louis this weekend, getting drilled on how much more they need to commit to their businesses and dreams. They're probably telling them "Commit! THREE CASE AUTOSHIP MONA VIE! GET COMMITTED!
I'm sure I'm not far off in my assumption.
I was there at one time in my life, and I understand how easy it is to follow those leaders. They are great, but they made their way in Quixtar, an easier system. Even if they don't realize it, they are leading many into financial hardship and despair.
Now that we've found a more viable business to promote, all that training is really paying off. There are much better business systems out there. I believe I've found the best, but everyone has their own opinion.
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#31 · Posted on 10 Mar 2009 00:26
Hi, well this thread was a tough read in a way. I am a newbie I joined WAHM in January this year and have had a ton of help and advice and have being getting tremendous mileage from all of threads on WAHF. After doing a ton of research in many different businesses. I took the plunge into a pre-launch (product launch is March 15th) referral marketing company. I believe if you pick a product that is in a niche that interests you, and you know a little bit about the subject, you already have a head start, but not only that it must be as close to a transfer of spending as possible for instance you spend $25 in the store on a chemical toxic products for your home and you can spend $25 on a green products instead and not only that it works.. then I believe you have a very good chance to make a good profit.
I also think you have to have the attitude that you won't be rich overnight, and you have to network, after all it is network marketing, I've been doing that old school 'face to face', while learning this internet stuff...its a struggle but I'm getting there slowly learning bit by bit, and as this old computer caveman here gets more proficient at this stuff I will still practice working offline as well.
you must commit to learning new things and passing on that knowledge to others and helping those you enroll to be successful keeping up with the times so to speak.
thats my bit here for now, I believe I have made a good choice (have 40 plus in my team so far)
good luck to all in your chosen fields
many regards Anthony
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#32 · Posted on 11 Mar 2009 15:47
I beg the differ on many opinions so far about Mona-Vie! I am a distributor of the product and seem to be doing very well! After only a couple of weeks with the company, things are looking very good! The part that many of you are missing is that the key is not selling the product, but rather constructing your downline with family and friends. Yes, the internet market is flooded with people "selling" the product and it is those people that made a quick couple of dollars at first and can't seem to sell it anymore. I truly believe you took the wrong approach.
I am a newbie father who does construction half the year and plays professional minor league baseball the other half of the year. After being on the Mona-Vie product for a month, I fell in love with the effects! To note, I have been drinking 1 energy drink a day for the last 3 years and since I have been on Mona-Vie, energy drinks are not a factor anymore! Not to mention all the bad things they do to your body, I now take Mona-Vie in place and feel soo much better! Being a 26 year old professional athlete, taking care of my body is number one...or else I wouldn't have a job, right? My body simply craves water everyday now and energy drinks and sodas are out the window!
I am not here to promote whatsover, just to give light to those interested in the product itself. If I were wealthy already, I would continue to buy this product as a distributor for the wholesale cost and share it with my family simply for the health benefits!
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#33 · Posted on 20 Mar 2009 00:39 · Edited by: dougster
I remember the real NONI and I ran out once. While waiting for a case and had to buy some of the GNC version. It was 1/2 sugar water and it was pretty bad.  So really it was pretty close quantity and price-wise. Liquid nutrition is good but there will always be brands coming out to distract your customers - isn't it the business owner w/marketing that establishes brand loyalty???
Years ago w/Amway, I did get to see May Lou Retton and would you believe General Norman Schwarzkopf??? Do you think he had the place fired up??  But anyways, there is a 100% pure (not watered down) extract from the Yucca plant that cleanses the digestive system in a graceful manner. Great for the food you're not absorbing!! You know what I mean?
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#34 · Posted on 21 Mar 2009 20:40
MLM is dying online. Too many companies, too little profit-per-
customer. Look at building a business with more potential
to recoup your advertising costs immediately.
MLM - still very viable in the offline world of belly-to-belly -
like Tupperware, Mary Kay, et. al.
Online - lead generation is not just a matter of getting leads,
it is a matter of presenting a superior, dominating offer. Most
of your "leads" will be checking out many opportunities and
will be confused. If you cannot find a way to position you
and your offer as superior to other options you will probably
lose money instead of making it.
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#35 · Posted on 8 Apr 2009 20:58
It is nice to be with a company that spends 90 million a year on infomercial advertising and the gives the customers to qualified reps for free. So that takes care of the getting customers part. And once you advance in rank they also run an infomercial on the business opportunity and they will be giving those for free also. It also is really nice when you do speak with somebody and they have already heard of your product. Having popular branded products is great. Instead of just pills and potions it's nice to be able to help someone take a proactive approach to their health and fitness. Actually get out there and do an exercise program. Also nice to have a huge community of like minded individuals all eager to help.
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#36 · Posted on 9 Jul 2009 22:20
sorry to read about your economic loss
the problem is not just herbalife or amway but the mlm industry in general
everybody who start this business don't know anything about sales or marketing the secret of this business is not the product , or the compensation plan , but the ability to move the product
your business is not selling vitamins , shakes or juices your business is marketing , because marketing move and sale your product
let me tell you something,
a guy is trying to make a wooden chair , so he bot some wood ,nails and a hammer , he fail to build the chair so he thought
maybe if I try a different hammer , so he get an other hammer with the same results he got a 3 th hammer so he never finish the chair
you may ask why I say this ?
Manny people don't have the necessary skills or knowledge to mange a marketing business
so they keep changing business opportunities with out success on any of them
you must learn how to write a sales letter ,an add just look a the big companies like coca cola and mc donnals they are not on the streets house by house trying to sale you their products annoying you with sales pitch
they create a sales strategy
they focus on a target market , to whom they are going to direct their advertising
what age and sex and also they don't sale you a soft drink they sale you refreshing sensation and the sensation of been sexy
you see the difference ?
another thing , people join and follow people who are leaders , so in order to recruit people in to your business you have to be an alfa person
what is an alfa person ?
an alfa person is somebody who transmit confidence some one who know how to do stuff some body successful so people ask them to be accepted in their circle or group
an alfa person NEVER ask anybody to join them
so... if you are a person who don't like sales you are in the wrong business
let me tell you something I learn
THE BEST WAY TO GET RICH IT'S TO SOLVE OTHER PEOPLES PROBLEMS
they want to lose weight ? you have the solution , so market your solution to that specific target market and let them come to you
some times been persistent is not enough , some people say that there is a saturation on the market
let me ask you something , how many coca cola cans you see on the stores every day ?
and they sell millions EVERY DAY and they still spend millions of dollars on advertising that means the product demand is big , there are a huge market for it
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#37 · Posted on 3 Aug 2009 08:48
I "lost" about the same amount of money in this program, however I consider it a great education! There has never been a training program so in-depth and informative as the TEAM training system which I trained under for four years with success in Team/Quixtar. When they switched to promoting MonaVie, about 80-90% of the people faded away. I chose to opt out with a bachelor's degree..
Now I'm promoting a system that isn't so difficult, and the training from TEAM I'm applying is getting me absolutely wonderful results.
Thank you TEAM!
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#38 · Posted on 9 Aug 2009 23:33
With Amway/Quixtar it is definitely a solid company that will be around for years to come, however the comp plan is outdated.
You can definitely do well in the health and wellness industry if you have a strong product and a solid company.
The product should be innovative and the company should have strong management. They should be aware of the claims that can or can not be made about health or dietary supplements. If the CEO is a health professional and is a nutritional expert, that is a big plus. If he or she is or has been in network marketing that is even better because he/she will understand the intricacies of this undertaking and provide a valuable and fair comp plan to the distributors of the company.
For you, it should be product that you believe in too. Don't simply join a company for promises of financial wealth if you don't believe in the product(s) provided. If you believe in what you are sharing the financial aspect will come along.
Find a field that matches your personality and your experiences. Since I am in the pharmacy profession, it is natural for me to share a product in the health and wellness industry as it fits my interests and experience.
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#39 · Posted on 10 Aug 2009 01:59
2x2prosperity (Don't simply join a company for promises of financial wealth) that is the problem , this is a business and you must do it like so.
it does not matter if it is the best product of the world, if it has the best compensation plan or if my product is better than yours
if you know marketing research and sales you can sell stones
if you do not know how to do this even if is the best product of the world you are not going to be able to sell it
coca cola is not the best product of the world and the anual sales are millions of dolars a year
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#40 · Posted on 11 Aug 2009 09:17
I have to ask because that juice thing was just presented to be at work what is that all about. I told the guy no thanks I will stick to prepaid legal
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