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ImportEyedea
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#21 · Posted: 10 Feb 2010 03:04
Okay, yes I do, you try to save yourself the trouble of dealing with "duds". However you are now avoiding my question and that is how many people do you work with?
I ask this because the IM game is constantly changing and I don't see how anyone could possibly have the time to sponsor their own new reps, research new marketing strategies for themselves, research individual marketing strategies for each team member.
For us it would be impossible-- or at the very least time consuming. Thankfully we have a very solid core group that is also well versed and trained in how to work with new reps.
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#22 · Posted: 10 Feb 2010 03:26 · Edited by: Matt Zenittini
ImportEyedea: Okay, yes I do, you try to save yourself the trouble of dealing with "duds". However you are now avoiding my question and that is how many people do you work with?
That is not relevant.
It doesn't matter if I work with 10,000 people or 1 person. Sacrificing quality should not be considered when expanding your business.
If you read the other part of my website it says I personally work with a couple of new people each month because I do not have the time for more.
Yes I put action plans together for my entire downline.. However leaders emerge that also help with growing the team as it benefits everyone.
I focus my time MOSTLY with the people I directly sponsor and creating training for my team. But it is available to those who need it.
Continue to do what works for you.
The reason I build my business the way I do.. And make posts the way I do... Is to the provide the highest quality advice and help to people.
So that is why I undermined "duplication". I am teaching better ways of business building.. It might be more work, and not everyone is up to that.. But in the long run.. The results can not be beat.
Matthew Zenittini
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#23 · Posted: 10 Feb 2010 03:47
Agreed, we should each continue our own methodology.
I have read some of your other forum posts as well as your site and I can see you do make an effort to follow the advice of some very respected people in the Industry, as well as make it available to people across the web. I commend your willingness to invest your time and I can see many have benefited from your experience.
Our business has simply reached a point where we can no longer afford to be so limited in how we approach people. On a daily basis we constantly meet and interact with people who offer many potentials and possibilities even outside of simply helping us build our primary business.
Our method is aimed at casting the net far and wide and reaping the benefit of what we find. There are many people we've come in contact with who I no longer keep in touch with, and yet have left indelible experiences in their wake. They've shown us new resources and tools before moving on to things more suited to their needs. But opening the door to as many people is the only way we've be able to consistently maintain both growth and success.
We work from the bottom up. By providing a strong easy to follow base point, we've seen many people flourish as well as gaining invaluable insight as to where to look next.
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#24 · Posted: 10 Feb 2010 03:53
Matt Zenittini: If you read the other part of my website it says I personally work with a couple of new people each month because I do not have the time for more.
The 3rd link in my sig file is to the system co-founded by my boyfriend Keith Kearney. To date Free and Powerful has 44,000 members. It is a system designed to help promote any business. This is our way of making our methods the most widely available.
We can't possibly work with everyone- our own team has 1500 members. I'm trying to give you an idea of the scale of our business so you understand where my attitude on duplication comes from.
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#25 · Posted: 10 Feb 2010 13:58
ImportEyedea: We can't possibly work with everyone- our own team has 1500 members. I'm trying to give you an idea of the scale of our business so you understand where my attitude on duplication comes from.
It's about having different forms of training available to a person and helping them choose a path that works for them.. People become overwhelmed very easily. I think that if you wanted to you could convert your system and you will see better results from your downline and retention rates.
Matt Zenittini: It doesn't matter if I work with 10,000 people or 1 person. Sacrificing quality should not be considered when expanding your business.
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#26 · Posted: 11 Feb 2010 01:05
convert our system to...?
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#27 · Posted: 11 Feb 2010 23:26
I agree that nothing beats personal relationship of you making a RELATIONSHIP and true and honest desire to help others.
It is not that hard to get rich, but to create wealth is the next step. Creating wealth can come only by finding the way to help many people. Now I am not trying to be smart and use others words (Jim Rohn ---RIP), and many others, but that is the fact.
I've heard many times phrases like don't work harder work smarter.
However, without a hard work you can not create wealth, so you do need to do both: WORK HARD AND WORK SMART.
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ImportEyedea
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#28 · Posted: 12 Feb 2010 21:38
I guess its just that I still fail to see how hours of research into marketing tools and software, answering emails and phone calls, investing money into new advertising techniques equates rich and not helping anyone.
The implication that people use duplication has an easy way out is ridiculous and uninformed. Our reputation has been built on the fact that we are accessible 16 hours a day, 7 days a week and have been since we started.
Are there people that complain they don't get help and whine and then quit? Of course there are. You know why? Because when they ask for advice or ask for help, they don't utilize what they're given.
I still stand firm in the conviction that you can lead the horse to water but there's not a thing you can do to make him drink it. And that's fine. I'm not here to change minds. I'm here to help minds that have changed.
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#29 · Posted: 14 Feb 2010 10:23
I don't know. Yes, the personal touch is very important but when you have a website that you bring in people to it and the system does all the selling and closing for you without you picking up the phone is great.
The company that I am in, I have never picked up the phone to call anyone like prospects or even my team and people are duplicating. So you don't have to call people on your team unless you want to. It is strictly your own choice.
As I said before, I have seen a lot of people online that never picked up the phone and called anyone. Yet still have managed within a year or two to earn a very nice residual income.
Now, I don't just leave the people who upgrade and pay the fees. I actually send them an email and welcome them to the team. I then send them to my training page where they learn more about the company, how to make money, how to advertise online, where to advertise online, how many leads they should get per day in order to really see success with their business.
Yes, I do communicate with them through email but through the phone, I don't do it and still do well with my team and the duplication that comes with it.
When you show people a simple system that can be duplicated and you work with more and more people who join your team, that is pretty amazing.
I have a guy who joined my team 3 weeks ago. I never called him, I only sent him and email welcoming him and sent hm to my training page. Guess what happened since he joined 3 weeks ago and has been following my training?
He got like 4 paid upgrades members on his own team.
So my point is that if your company has a system where the system sells for you and you only need to bring in prospects on a daily basis then that is just amazing.
By the way, the company that I am in is in my sig below so you can see the "system" doing its work without me calling leads. The only thing that I am doing is driving traffic to it. That's it. Simple as that.
Tal
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#30 · Posted: 14 Feb 2010 11:25
Matt Zenittini: #2. Duplication is a great concept.. But it really does "weed out" a large portion of your downline that's recruited. Thus "using" them and wasting their time and money. I think that everyone should be treated ethically... And not forced into a "duplication" program. The same strategy is not what is best for everyone. Learn all of the strategies and train your downline where they need help.
I'm not saying it doesn't work or works bad. I was just saying I don't believe in it and feel there are better ways to build a solid business.
Matt
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#31 · Posted: 23 Feb 2010 00:07
Great info. Thanks for sharing. I think it is important to approach prospects with a value focused attitude. Value focused people go into the market place focused on what their opportunity can mean for their prospect. This is how I do it and it is working very well.
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#32 · Posted: 23 Feb 2010 02:11 · Edited by: LaurieK
talfighel: There is a program that I am in and the only thing that I do is to bring people to the company's site and people opt-in. Their is a short video that explains how the business works and what is the product. The nice thing is that the person pretty much sell to themselves if they want to get in or not. If they don't get in, the emails do the work for me. There are a lot of companies who do this and it works so well. I have had close to 30 people pre-enroll themselves (Join as a paid member) into the opportunity that I am in, in the past 3 months without me calling them or following up with them personally by phone.
That's awesome, Tal....
The next question is, how to you "bring people to the site" ? That's a BIG part of the battle and folks really struggle with it, even though there are about umpteen ways to drive traffic to a site.
A lot of people just don't have those computer skills, so perhaps they purchase leads.
What do you do?
~ Laurie
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#33 · Posted: 23 Feb 2010 20:11
Lead purchases are expensive and sometimes not as targeted as advertised or expected.
Think of it this way: if you had a responsive list of contacts that you considered a "warm" market, capable of producing sales, would you sell it?
You'd probably keep it, so you could make those sales for yourself.
I see from your sig file you offer an advertising service. Would you mind explaining how your process works a little?
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#34 · Posted: 23 Feb 2010 21:07
ImportEyedea: I see from your sig file you offer an advertising service. Would you mind explaining how your process works a little?
Hi Katrina,
Basically, the site will be a showcase for short video clips about MLM, direct sales, and franchise-opportunity types of businesses and related organizations or businesses.
As explained on my site, only one rep from any specific business will be allowed to purchase advertising space there.
Your short video links to any other site of your choice, where a prospect can get more information (we suggest using a lead capture page if possible). It could even be used for a lead co-op).
Online video marketing is very powerful, and we will be driving traffic to the site with online marketing of all kinds as well as TV and radio advertising. Robin Seymour has years and years of experience in advertising and promoting home businesess.
The site just launched about a week ago, and it will fill up and have improvements over time (such as content contributions from industry coaches to make it more "sticky" and so forth), so that's why the pricing at this point is for at least a 6-month period of time, while we really get things ramped up. Later, the pricing will most likely become monthly.
Thanks for asking about it!
~ Laurie
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#35 · Posted: 18 Mar 2010 16:01
ZriiProsper: Because they found the 30 right people and helped them find their 2 people every month or two who were the right fit for the company, and now they are milllion dollar earners and making more than their upline is!
That's a great story.
Quality over sheer quantity
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#36 · Posted: 18 Mar 2010 16:30
ImportEyedea: The 3rd link in my sig file is to the system co-founded by my boyfriend Keith Kearney.
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#37 · Posted: 19 Mar 2010 21:08
Being fairly new to the MLM business compaired to some of you, I can say from experience that duplication systems do not work for recruiting. I am coming out of a very frustrating period of following all the "rules" of recruiting. I've heard all the lectures and bought all the "stuff" to recruit new distributors, and I have very little to show for it. I am now on a new journey involving marketing my product, and feel I have found the solution to my MLM experience. Reading your entries have helped me to know that I am on the right road as I use the computer and phone contacts to work with new recruits. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Diane
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#38 · Posted: 19 Mar 2010 21:16
Hello, my name is trish and I am new here. Just joined a couple of hours ago. I Have been reading the weeding out topic. I think you are both talking about the same thing and reaching the same end result.
It seems to me that you both care about how you treat the people you partner with and are offering genuine and legitimate training to help people reach there goals in building an online business.
Coo-does to both of you for caring and not just cramming a useless product down peoples throats to make a quick buck.
I have been the victim of that kind of mentality more times than I would like to count over the past 5 years searching for a legitimate online business.
I am happy that I have finally found the right member and mentor-ship for me. I agree totally with your analogy Shaun. If you are not offering a product with value and substance for free than you are not likely to be very successful.
In the end it seems to me that is what both of you are saying, and that you have to have people with the right mind set, attitude, and willingness to work at building there business or no one will benefit.
Anyway that's my two cents......
Wish you all great success,
Trish
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#39 · Posted: 24 Mar 2010 00:58
Bosco, go back and read the whole thread.
I directed the members of this forum to my sig file so that my statement about my boyfriend, his system and its members was verifiable to the group as a whole.
I also noticed you are the only member of the forum who seems to have an issue with that particular post, which has been here for over a month.
Maybe because you're new?
Or maybe because no one else felt it was worth reporting.
Probably a combination of the two.
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#40 · Posted: 27 Mar 2010 11:55 · Edited by: michaelcole
Has anyone else noticed just how angry some of these posts seem?
Alot of the posts are a three-way arguement over "duplication"
talfighel has a system in place that gets him new sign ups on a regular basis and helps his new recruits do the same. Good duplication.
ImportEyedea created a system with her boyfriend that helps 44,000 members. Excellent.
Matt Zenittini doesn't believe in "duplication" and that is what he teaches his down-line.
See the IRONY?
Just argee to disagree, duplication is teaching your people what works for you.
You're not "forcing" anyone into a mold, you're helping them to avoid the mistakes you made.
Anyway, isn't this thread supposed to be 'Stop "Selling" Your MLM If You Want to Succeed'?
Which I completely agree with. You need to sell yourself first before bringing up your MLM.
Your prospects aren't so much joining your opp as they are joining you.
Once you have shown that you can help them get where they want to be, then show them your opp. If they are interested, great, if not since you sold yourself first you can still help to find solutions to other ploblems they may have.
Another thing to think about is the recent ILearningGlobal change of direction.
Any distributor that promoted ILearningGlobal first lost out on any leads they may have had in the system.
The Distributors that established a relationship first, before bringing up the company have a ready-made list to market their new opp to. Maybe even a ready-made down-line..
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