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Mark_Worthen
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#21 · Posted: 13 Feb 2010 16:48
As to the original question, I would recommend starting with CarbonCopyPRO. If you promote MLSP as a way to get people into PRO, it's another layer they have to go through.
Both are very good programs; MLSP is a less costly program ($49 per month vs. $149 per month for PRO), although has less comprehensive training and doesn't have a lower-priced product to serve as a funded proposal--PRO has the application ($20 commission) and Business in a Box ($150 commission).
I recommend MLSP if you are already in a network marketing company and you want to learn how to market online and want a system to help.
I recommend PRO if you want to market a high-ticket item ($800 to $7500 per sale commissions), receive comprehensive Internet marketing training, and take advantage of a state-of-the-art online marketing system. The high ticket products for most PRO members are those by Wealth Masters International, although some GRN reps also use PRO.
Regarding the effectiveness of high-ticket items, just because one person didn't find success selling them, doesn't mean they "don't sell". All I can say is that I've been much more successful selling high-ticket items than traditional network marketing products.
I find that I work just as many hours per week and make the same number of sales as I did with a traditional MLM company. The big difference is that since the profit-per-sale is so much higher, I make much more money.
All the Best,
Mark
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#22 · Posted: 24 Feb 2010 09:07
Hi Mark,
Good advice. I agree 100% with your comments.
The percentages are the same whether you are promoting a $5 or $5,000 item online and you will work just as hard to target customers ready to part with their small change as ready to make a serious business investment.
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Kanga
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#23 · Posted: 24 Feb 2010 12:49
Hi Dizzup21,
When you are not sure about something, don't do anything until your intuition tells you to, it is a good way to avoid jumping into things and then regret. As far as i understand i will advise start building a list of your own, which will be the base of the business you choose sooner or later.You may be surprised that while doing it you find the MLM for it.You can start building a list fast if you want to, it will take you one hour a day and if you are constistent, you will feel happy because you would be earning at the same time, The most important thing is It is all yours to keep and exploit when you are ready.
PM me if you want more info on that. Feel free to do as you wish.
But remember the money is the list.
Cheers,
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edfromohio
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#24 · Posted: 4 Mar 2010 19:12
Just to preface my remarks-I am not jumping to conclusions here from products I have not tried. Everything I mention here, I have and still use with the exception of one system, which I decided up front not to use-but have done my due diligence even there. So Here I Go. 
I can say I am in both CCPro and MLSP (mlm lead system pro).
Both are great companies. Both can be used to promote whatever company you like. Just like Matt's shameless plug to get you to google his Jonathan Budd link above.
All 3 are great sytems. All 3 are used to promote whatever company that you want. While CCPro allows you to promote any opportunity they still push and favor heavily Wealth Masters as a back end Big Ticket program. Even Mike Dillard plays the CCPro/Wealth Masters game. (the founders of ccro and dillard too are on the executive board of WMI). Don't get me wrong, I am in Wealth Masters International and it is a great company-but I want to give a completely honest review and answer to the question.
The key to all these that are mentioned is that they are funded proposals. They all teach aspects of marketing that you must understand if you are going to Conquer Internet marketing.
I have all the above or am in all the systems above with the exception of J Budd's system. I could not see using a system that ultimately brands another individual. I love Mike Dillards materials and have most of what he sells. I use his techniques and back door people into his products because his material is just awesome. I have also used CCPRo and am a member there. Nice system. But in the end it has 2 flaws in my book - 1) it further brands Jay Kubasek - any heavy hitter out there (like budd,kubassek,dillard and all others) ALWAYS brand themselves. ALWAYS! 2) major ccpro flaw for most marketers is the dollar factor $395 up front is ok the commission you earn $150 (less than 40% of the take) after their call center gets a piece of the pie - but the killer is the monthly fee. $150 per month and you end up earning a residual of $30 from that. I did well enough that I never have to pay the monthly out of my pocket because of enough sales and people under me that it pays for itself, but the majority of the people hold on a couple months and drop it because of the big bucks monthly flowing out. Sorry Jay - Just the way it is.
Lastly, MLSP. I use MLSP for all my online marketing and it still leads to my primary. 2 of the top earners in CCPro are in MLSP - but even better - Top earners from many companies are in MLSP. MLSP takes all the effort off of me having to teach people to market the big ticket back end stuff. It also allows me to target the coveted network/mlm marketers that are out there. It also is FULLY Brandable. Meaning YOU look like the guru instead of Jay, Dillard, or Budd. IMHO the internet marketing training is far superior than anything else out there. MLSP is less than $50 a month and you can earn at least 30% of all the monthly fees--far more affordable than ccpro and I have found the vast majority of my sign ups stick for quite a while in the system. Even people who don't promote it keep it for the invaluable training.
As far as big ticket being dead-no offense but your crazy. I have literally had 10kweeks working big ticket. But you might as well brand yourself and create a funnel so that you are making money even from people who are not looking for a big ticket.
So Yes you can use MLSP to funnel people to CCPRo. Yes they are all great systems. Yes you can make money off of all of them. YES you can use each of them to help brand you. But, by far from my experience, MLSP is the BEST self-branding marketing system and online education on the planet. I have taken the plunge and the waters fine.
Hope that helps -from my personal experience.
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#25 · Posted: 7 Mar 2010 16:03
ok, first, let me say that i got more out of this one post than 4 years of school. thank you all for the GREAT leads.
second. i am starting my CCPro biz in three days.
i paid $40 (refundable in 30) for the chance to review and apply the CCPro system for 1 month. i feel it is a system that can be used to sell anything. i am extremely satisfied and excited to get started. the 'bite sized' initial purchase availability and funnel are what sold me. CCPro sorts them out, i only work with the ones that are ready. no hand holding, no excuses. they're either in or they're out, and once they're in, predictable percentages will purchase to each level.
third. tal, no offense, but i've seen the image your sign-up pages project, and i'm surprised the system you use sells anything. and tho you've opened up quite a few avenues of discussion, on various posts (which is great, cause it shows you are active and moving forward. you have great determination!) i keep seeing you popping up with these bold statements advising others to avoid things cause they didn't work for you. its the same as the guy at the corner bar that talks smack on you cause you work from home and he goes to a crappy, dangerous factory job all day. if you are going to advise someone, try "i prefer small ticket items because i found..." Not
talfighel: You guys better believe it.
ask yourself:
how will you lead and inspire people like that? is that the type of person you want representing you?
i can see that you want to do well and help people, but i can feel the negative overtones in most of your communications. and that is the most likely reason you were batting 0 for 2500. i did the same thing for a long, long time. you are not alone! most people were RAISED to think this way. and i'm not trying to single you out, just hoping it helps others too.
lastly, matt
Matt Zenittini: I'd run from both companies. Google the7figurenetworker. That's one to get involved with to generate leads for an MLM.
i have a hard time believing that jonathan budd is not affiliated with renegade marketer and magnetic sponsoring. as in, they have the same upline when you trace it all back. CCPro and MLMLSP included.
they are all just finer tuning of the same concept. i could be wrong, but i doubt it
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Kanga
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#26 · Posted: 8 Mar 2010 06:56
Hi ,
Thank you for the feedback and good luck in your desicion.Experience is gotten by doing, so still your desicion is a fine one because ;you are not procrastinating anymore but findig out for yourself. Congratulation on that. Keep coming here to let us know on your progress.
Cheers,
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Roni_Aust
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#27 · Posted: 17 Mar 2010 23:41
Hi Shaun
You said it in these words "Attraction Marketing and Magnetic Sponsoring"
You sure do your research, reading and implementing good for you.
By the way I am in CCPro and those that are know why what works.
Hay Talfiqhel talking of opinion this is mine. There is no other that has Training and support like it. As for why it sells lol that's our secret.
Regards
Roni
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shaun
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#28 · Posted: 17 Mar 2010 23:51
Hey G'day Roni ..I see you're an Aussie
Looks like CCPro is becoming quite popular here in Oz.
I know of quite a few other Aussie CCpro'rs
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#29 · Posted: 20 Mar 2010 15:52
whats up everybody ? im new to the marketing industry ( really havent started yet ) . i recently joined an offline mlm and have been reading forums and reviews for about a week trying to figure out what the smartest route is . ive been through hundreds of advertisements and so many of them come across as " trustworthy " . i want to show my gratitude to everyone on this forum that is putting out heart filled information . before i found this site i was stumped on which way to go . for years ive known that having a job was not for me and just recently became more adamant about finding the solution . one question i have for everyone is : i have time on my hands as of now . my main concern is being home to take my son to school and being there when he gets off of the bus . this is all possible when i dont have a job but i do need to generate an income withing the next month. is it possible if i put in between 5-8 hours a day to make this happen ? i ask because my funds are limited but if i can make this happen then i will definitely dedicate my funds and time toward this movement . is it logical for me to take this risk ? i have drive and a willingness to succeed , but i would like for someone to tell me personally , with no profit in mind , that this is worth my time . i appreciate your guidance and help . hope to hear from you guys soon .
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#30 · Posted: 27 Mar 2010 16:35
Interesting discussion. Good luck with your decission.
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#31 · Posted: 29 Mar 2010 06:27
Mark_Worthen: Regarding the effectiveness of high-ticket items, just because one person didn't find success selling them, doesn't mean they "don't sell". All I can say is that I've been much more successful selling high-ticket items than traditional network marketing products.
Hi Mark,
I agree 100% with you on the effectiveness of selling high ticket items. I have sold all kinds of products online from colon cleansers, health products, to marketing tools and each has it's customer base.
The difficulty most people have when they start building a business with carboncopypro is that self belief is often low, as many have failed for so long, and fear of failure is high and can block productive activity.
As we know, the best marketers in the world have one thing in common; they take action.
When you take action consistently, positive results will follow and, as you and I know, those results can mean a significant income with a top tier or high ticket model such as carboncopypro.
As for MLMLSP - apart from the training, which is surpassed in my opinion by CCPro, I see no real value in a business model designed to create wealth on a large scale for its founders and offer small commissions to its members. The system itself does not do what it promises - which is to help marketers to "self brand". In fact, it is so well constructed that it is almost robotic and marketers using it as a way to create authority very quickly start to look like every other MLMLSP member out there talking about how bad things used to be and how now they can generate 50-100 leads per day.
Sorry guys, but it doesn't do a thing for me.
Put your time and effort and money if you have some into a solid business that offers a good return for your efforts and leave the small change for part time players if you're serious about making money online.
Neil Ashworth
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#32 · Posted: 14 Apr 2010 04:20
Hi all,
I have been using MLSP since I first started in online marketing and having tried several other less helpful systems, I stand by it as one of the best there is out there. While I havn't used CCP, I really think that if you're a true beginner, MLSP is thed way to go because it literally breaks everything down into really simple steps that even a completly non technical person can understand.
As I understand it, both programs currently offer a trial period, so why not try both and see which is best for you.
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#33 · Posted: 14 Apr 2010 19:36
Comparing CCPro to MLSP is almost like comparing apples to oranges.
Both are marketing systems...but that's where the similarities end.
CCPro with it's 150 bucks per month fees is used as a lead in to a high ticket opportunity. This is the only way it makes sense to use CCPro as a marketing system.
Although you can promote any opp with CCPro, it doesn't make sense to pay 150 bucks every month to promote a low ticket opp that only pays you out a few bucks.
Just do the math.
CCPro is packaged as an opportunity for people looking to make money online.
MLSP is packaged as a system to help people brand themselves and generate targeted leads for their existing business opportunity.
So, MLSP and CCPro are completely different.
If you're looking for a mktg system to help you in your existing business, and it's not a big ticket opp, then you are much, much better choosing MLSP. The way it's set up, it doesn't take much to begin making multiple checks and recoup the monthly fees.
If you're looking for new big ticket business opp or a system to help you mkt a high ticket opp, then CCPro would be the better fit. I would only mkt the opps CCPro supports GRN or WMI.
Big ticket items of course sell well online. People buy tvs, cars, houses, 10k+ seminars online.
I feel safe to say that...
Most people you see online don't know how to market. Most people have never taken any kind of Internet marketing training. Most people let their self-image dictate what they can or can't do. You'll never make more than what you think you're worth.
Just my take on it all. 
Corrisa
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#34 · Posted: 12 Jun 2010 01:01
I have looked at both companies, as well as the 7 Figure Networker System and MLSP is the most clear up front as to what it is designed to do. All 3 systems are excellent, but I feel (from what I can see) that MLSP is the most customizable and the team is excellent for getting you going.
Its a matter of which one makes you feel the most comfortable investing in, as all of them can be very productive if you follow the system. There is no need to go with more than one of them in my opinion.
My personal vote goes to MLSP only because I have joined them all for the trial and felt most comfortable with that system.
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#35 · Posted: 16 Jun 2010 01:22
I wouldn't ever get into both of them.
But I am interested to know more about it.
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#36 · Posted: 16 Jun 2010 02:19
keeplivin: i have a hard time believing that jonathan budd is not affiliated with renegade marketer and magnetic sponsoring. as in, they have the same upline when you trace it all back. CCPro and MLMLSP included. they are all just finer tuning of the same concept. i could be wrong, but i doubt it
No you are right, all of the leaders there are pretty much tied together. When it comes down to it, one hits a certain level where a system won't take them where they need to be anyway =].
I do like the 7 Figure Networker better than the others though. Just my experience.
Matt
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#37 · Posted: 8 Jul 2010 01:01
Adding my 2 cents...
I don't have experience with MLMSP but I can tell you straight forward that PRO gives you a whole bunch of other options now.
Yes...At first it was used to promote other company's products (WMI) but know it has opened up the doors for anyone looking to learn how to market something through the Internet.
Regardless of the HIGH or LOW prices, success in this kind of business is about learning powerful marketing tactics and empowering your team on how to do the same.
Cesar
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#38 · Posted: 14 Jul 2010 10:11 · Edited by: LawrenceTam
moving from MLSP to ccpro is a difficult task. not saying it won't work but you moving someone from a $50/month training course to a top tier affiliate.
Many of the leaders that used ccpro in MLSP are now gone. It's hard to sell top tier without just hard core PPC. Hence why the leaders in ccpro are almost all PPC people.
With the google slap tons are digging their grave right now with no residual backend.
MLSP in my opinion is a fantastic affiliate front end and MLM backend but not a good top tier promoter.
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#39 · Posted: 21 Jul 2010 13:53 · Edited by: yadvinder_singh
I would go for MLSP. Every thing is put on a platter for you and cost of the program is under $50. And of course the network marketing company is of your choice. I do not know much about carbon copy pro but the cost is high for this program and they do not set everything for you I guess and mlm company is not of your choice. I would also recommend Maximum-leverage and the the7figurenetworker.
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#40 · Posted: 21 Jul 2010 23:58
I can tell you guys that MLSP is an amazing system being utilized by some of the best Network Marketers in the buisness. There are many products within the system to help educate yourself and promote to your leads. It's kind of a front and back end system that also pays a monthly residual income as long as your leads stay involved in the program. Its a goldmine of resources that teach how to utilize attraction marketing to sponsor reps into your primary buisness. And Mike Dillard's Magnetic Sponsoring is actually one of the products offered in the system that you have the oppurtunity of promoting. The whole system is based on those principles. One of the things I like about it is that whoever recommended you to the program kind of becomes your mentor. And trust me some of these guys are amazing at what they do. Now I haven't researched CCPro so I can't comment on that but MLSP is the real thing.
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