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swilkes
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#41 · Posted: 2 Jun 2008 23:21
Lots of good info here. This is my first MLM experience and I am glad I learned the Web 2.0 and Attraction Marketing info before I got off on the wrong foot. I am getting some traffic and emails of interest but I am not closing them, as they say. Any suggestions on techniques or strategies that work? Thanks.
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marperrr
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#42 · Posted: 6 Jun 2008 11:50
Good post bro!
97% of MLM folks fail because 97% of the entire US population "fails" when it comes to making money....
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#43 · Posted: 18 Jun 2008 17:25 · Edited by: cricfan
swilkes: Lots of good info here. This is my first MLM experience and I am glad I learned the Web 2.0 and Attraction Marketing info before I got off on the wrong foot. I am getting some traffic and emails of interest but I am not closing them, as they say. Any suggestions on techniques or strategies that work? Thanks.
hmm...what kind of e-mails have you received, what are your prospects asking, or looking for?
are they already in a home biz or MLM...if yes, than let them know that you are there to assist them in what ever you can do to help them...this will obviously brand you as a leader...
now, if some of your prospects are actually looking to join a business...than I suggest, before you present your opportunity is to educate them on business building through attraction marketing...
because, when they'll know what they are getting into, than later they won't object to any product recommendations you make that relates to personal development, or marketing material....
since they'll see that you yourself invest in your education, than they'll follow your lead and be loyal team members...
this process can be done through creating a generic 7 day video or e-mail boot camp which provides them basic education...
once through, you can ask which one of your prospects is ready to join you in your business, and bam you just added a new team member, and he/she already knows how you are building your business...
so they will go on and quickly duplicate what you are doing, because you have a SYSTEM...
btw, are you advertising the capture page provided by your MLM company or you have your own personal capture page?
hope that helps...let me know if you have any other questions...actually shoot me an e-mail at [email protected] as I am not much of a regular on this forum lol
Shehzeb
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#44 · Posted: 12 Jul 2008 21:55
Great thread here for sure, Danny you hit it with the what is the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over expecting the different result many live their lives this way and see nothing wrong with it.
Well that is the case with many in network marketing or MLM I prefer network marketing. I have never did the friends and family list, in fact my family does not know what I do because I don't share it with them unless they inquire about why I have this or that at that point and only at that point will I share what my business is about.
I like what you have presented here, I will look into learning more. thanks
Michelle
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#45 · Posted: 12 Jul 2008 22:50
Hey Danny,
I totally agree with you.
We need to step up to the plate & do the business that we have jumped into.
I have been marketing for 14 months now & I have made more income than I ever have in my whole life & I am 50 yrs old.
I should have turned to the online market years ago.
One great help for me has been our team support that will give a helping hand to any of the team that is in need. So if they are having a hard time marketing we can help to see them through the struggle.
I am very blessed to be in the 3% that is making it.
Very good & positive info you gave.
God Bless
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pegarrett
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#46 · Posted: 14 Jul 2008 12:29
I've taken courses and read numerous books on online marketing. I continue to apply the concepts I've learned.
I actually have a compelling reason for establishing an online business, which I've related in numerous social sites.
I started my website on April 24. It currently contains 84 pages. The information found there is well-researched. I know my target audience�age, sex, education and income.
In addition to my website, I've created a free private member social site and newsletter. I also have written a comprehensive how-to. And I continue to develop inbound links.
My site is averaging 22 visitors per day, up from 18 last month, despite most of my pages being poorly ranked or not ranked at all by the major search engines.
While I have had predictable success offline, I have had precisely two sales online. Those were not related to my business.
I strongly believe in my services and feel certain that once people find my site they will return to it for the continuously updated resources that are available there.
I have no real background in online marketing. Because of that, I wonder if I'm applying the information I've gotten incorrectly or if there is a common pattern of growth to internet awareness. My website host offers tutorials that suggest time is a key element. However, if I had set up business three months ago in a strip mall, I'd be very discouraged by now.
What is your experience? How long before your site began making conversions?
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#47 · Posted: 14 Jul 2008 15:39
Let me start to say that I am new at this forum and have read all the rules that pertain. I do not want to be kicked out of the forum because I think that there are some who should not be allowed to post; they are totally violating the rules. I thought that, not to upset you, but we were not to put spam links and advertisements throughout out forum documents. Here, there are four ads sending the reader into not so subtle advertisements of his own, within the body of the text. I thought this was not allowed period. If I am wrong then I need to start doing this myself all the time. What's up with this? Not to say that here there isn't good content and it needs to be discussed, but we are not "supposedly"to do this within this structure or forum, am I wrong here or not?
So MLM has a 97% fail rate. Big Deal. So does online biz opportunity industry (affiliate programs like WealthMasters, liberty league, etc).
But why? (If you have failed at MLM, you don't get to answer here...we know you hate it and you want to make sure that everyone knows that your failure had nothing to do with your inability to gain enough mental leverage on yourself to do what was necessary to figure out an effective sales and recruiting approach...we have heard it 1,000,000 times already...we got it)
Regardless of how I feel about people's sudden lack of personal responsibility when it comes to failing at things, the sad fact remains that 97% are failing. So while I am not one to buy into people's excuse-making, I also know that the basic business model is pretty messed up if your getting results like that.
SO WHAT IS THE REAL PROBLEM in MLM????
It's very simple. MLM'ers have not learned how to stop CHASING DOWN THEIR TARGET MARKET! For that matter, they don't even know how to assess who their target market really is!
And even if someone does know how to define who their target market is, many will then go into that market with a big pile of business cards and their nice suit ready to put on a show
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#48 · Posted: 14 Jul 2008 16:26
Much of the failure in any business is lack of customers!
AND second is keeping customers!
The business I am in solves both problems.
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#49 · Posted: 14 Jul 2008 23:30
Doc English: I think that there are some who should not be allowed to post; they are totally violating the rules. I thought that, not to upset you, but we were not to put spam links and advertisements throughout out forum documents. Here, there are four ads sending the reader into not so subtle advertisements of his own, within the body of the text.
Can you point me to that? I don't see any ads or links in body of any of the posts in this discussion. Don't confuse yourself with the links in signatures.
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#50 · Posted: 14 Jul 2008 23:41
Doc English: Here, there are four ads sending the reader into not so subtle advertisements of his own, within the body of the text.
Doc,
Those are contextual ads. The person who posted did not insert those into the body. Most of the posts on this forum have them.
Vishal is one of the best forum owner/moderators there is. I never see any spam posts get through and he is very professional in his approach.
Before you criticize someone make sure you have all your facts straight. And check your sig file, its not working.
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#51 · Posted: 15 Jul 2008 00:07
Doc, I was as surprised as you probably were to come back and discover certain words used in our posts had become hyper links. I hope it is obvious to you that this was something neither of us intentionally did.
In any case, my question remains, how long after creating your website did you start getting significant traffic and making sales?
I ask because I'm trying to figure out if I should be concerned or if there is some normal period of time before you start to see 50+ visitors a day.
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#52 · Posted: 15 Jul 2008 00:59
OK I guess Doc is complaining about the Kontera links in posts. Please understand that these are not inserted by members. Some text phrases get automatically highlighted as links (by Kontera, an advertising company that I use) and are denoted by double underlines. If you take the cursor over these links, you'll understand.
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#53 · Posted: 15 Jul 2008 10:47
I knew I would raise some hairs here with talking about this. BillChechel above states emphatically that they are contexual ads. So I clicked on to the link he provided and signed up to make money this way, but they are really ads. The forum rules do say not to have any ads within the body of your text. I am not so much complaining as to say, finding out what's ethically ok here.
Vishal your content is fantastic; I was just surprised to find these pop up links are ok. Please understand that I am in no way criticizing your content or desire to help, just surprised that this is ok. Other forums you would be bumped off for this.
I'm new but if "most of the posts on this forum have them" it must be OK.
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#54 · Posted: 15 Jul 2008 10:58
Doc,
I dont think you are getting the idea of these ads.
They are like PPC ads that get linked from certain keywords within the text of people's posts.
Vishal has a free forum here. He works hard to keep it moderated and spam free for the users. But obviously he wants to get compensated for his time.
So what he did is hire out an outside firm that places these ads automatically on certain keywords. It is one way to monetize a blog or forum.
So when you click on the link in my last post for "contextual ads" it brings you to a site which is related to that keyword. Vishal nor I put that link in there, it was generated by the company Kontera which Vishal stated he uses in an earlier post.
So the person that paid Kontera to advertise this way paid for the click when you went onto the site. It is not my ad nor do I have connection with that company.
I hope that clears it up. No one here is allowed to post personal sites except in the sig files, just like almost all forums out there. And the sig files work just fine, I get tons of leads from this and other forums using the signature for my links.
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#55 · Posted: 15 Jul 2008 11:17
So you are saying that the site is being helped out monetarily by allowing these word links to be placed in everyones comments. It is not that everyone can make money by doing this on this site.
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#56 · Posted: 15 Jul 2008 11:27
Yes. But you can go buy contextual ads from Kontera and they may show up by chance on this forum.
This forum is free to use and Vishal gets no compensation from all of the work he does to keep it a viable and enjoyable place to come visit. We do not pay subscription fees.
Anyone who doesnt agree with the rules can leave. Or they can start their own forum. Or find another forum to post on.
I have to tell you I have been a member a long time here and the rules have NEVER been an issue until lately. It seems there is an influx of new members that are trying to change the way the forum is run.
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#57 · Posted: 15 Jul 2008 20:47
Here again, I don't want to change the way the forum is run' and I'm impressed that you defend your brothers and this site so well; You do it with zeal; I just want to find out the "politically correct things" to do so I don't step on toes royally.
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#58 · Posted: 16 Jul 2008 06:38
I have nothing new to add here, except to say hello to a fellow medical professional. Howdy Jeff. In addition to being a home business entrepreneur, I am a Registered Respiratory Therapist, specializing in Pediatrics and Pediatric ICU. Nice to meet a fellow medical grunt, in here.
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#59 · Posted: 23 Jul 2008 00:10
What an absolute pleasure to have created such a long lasting and valuable thread. I hope that it will continue to grow with strong support of the new style of marketing that I personally call Attraction Marketing.
Funny thought...a guy called me the other day using skype. I was on a call and could not answer it. He keeps calling me back since he knows I am at my computer. I politely tell him "please stop calling, I am on the other line". He had already tried to get me into whatever his thingy was. So I was not thrilled to speak with him.
Well sure enough, he starts sending me messages telling me that I didn't know how the law of attraction was staring me in the face and that I had attracted him to me. LOL!
That took the cake. I have never seen such a gross misrepresentation of so many things on so many levels in one place before.
Attraction marketing is about realizing that everyone is NOT your client and they are never ever YOUR client's.
Add more in use value than cash value received and allow the market to show you if you are doing it right.
I will never ever ever consider a business opportunity when it is being offered by people that chase me down to market to me.
I look for people who share my passion of helping others. Everytime. No exceptions.
With great love
Danny Arrington
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#60 · Posted: 23 Jul 2008 10:42
About a year ago, a long-time friend of mine contacted me about Law of Attraction (LOA). It sounded like another misuse of scientific principle, although I didn't express that to her at the time.
Years ago, I watched a news magazine segment on TV. At the time, muggings were newsworthy. (That should give you some idea of the timeframe!)
The set-up was this: a camera crew secretly filmed a number of women walking on a city sidewalk. A convicted mugger watched the women and told the interviewer which women would have likely been his victim.
Invariably, he chose those who had poor posture, as if they were trying to become invisible by slouching and keeping their heads down.
Studies have shown "body language" does reveal our emotions and I suppose how we feel about ourselves.
I am familiar with Theosophy and more recently The Secret.
But the concept of attraction, taken to extreme, bothers me. Only in a country where material wealth is as easy to come by as it is here, can the idea that people "attract" success with the right mental attitude, or court failure with negative thoughts, flower.
To my mind, the best method of attaining success involves setting goals, setting deadlines for those goals and completing them on time.
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