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#301 · Posted: 7 Jun 2011 23:11
I am so glad I found this forum. I am just starting out and your comments have made me glad I chose what I did - and I have already learned a lot in some other posts about how to continue and what to avoid.
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#302 · Posted: 8 Jun 2011 23:10
The old school method of prospecting from your warm market is less likely to work in today's business climate. Seminars are good, but asking potential members to come over is a drag. There are new skills sets to be learned today that can change the way we promote and recruit people to be in our downline.
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#303 · Posted: 9 Jun 2011 07:50
River Jordan
You are right and wrong about that...
What I've found is more important ... how people define their relation with the warm market?
Only Family?
Only Friends?
Close friends?
No,.. its anyone who trusts you .. business-wise and personal wise.
AND.. sometimes you dont succeed with the warm market because you are overly confident that they will sign-up, so you do little efforts in presenting the products to them... which ends up with him/her not kicking in,,,
my 2 cents 
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#304 · Posted: 11 Jun 2011 21:11
I see so many new programs and promises made in the indrusty. The truth is there are some very good programs out there that can give you the opportunity to make a lot of money. However these companies will always market there buisness model as easy and show you the best posible results. You must aproch a program realisticly.
1. Do your research. Talk to people. experts and beginners alike. When its all said and done form your own opinion of the program based on the facts that you can find.
2. Never enter a program thinking you don't have to do much of anything. You get what you put in. If your just starting out then do your best to get in under someone who will help train you. Someone that you can stay in contact with and someone that will make your downline imporant to them. Teamwork is everything in any type of mlm company.
3. Though mass marketing can be somewhat effective if done the right way you will need to know how to network to build and maintain a solid downline. This means you need to talk to people. Understand them. Let them understand you and form a relationship that will cause them to trust your position more. People have more faith in people who take there time and really try to help them with real problems that they have. You need people skills and without them then people will not trust you.
4. Work for your downline. Help them. Train them. Everyone is differnt. There is not a one fix for all. Take your time with some of your downline and teach them to take there time with there downlines. You can't focus on yourself and hope your downline will just do well. odds are most of them will not unless they have guidence. If a member of your down line is able to stay in contact with you, get good advise from you, and some real help in getting them off the ground with there own downline then they will feel more modivated and you will have secured a real assest to your downline.
5. Most people do fail at network marketing but most people fail at any one thing anyway. The primary reason they fail is not because it can't be done. it's because they gave up. It takes time. How much time depends on the program to some extent but mainly to your abuilties as a network marketer, your abuilty to learn, and the upline that you choose to come in under.
6. to be an Entrepreneur means to have a vision and the dedication to see that vision through even when your low on money, problems arise, or you just keep messing up. Every one will have problems in there life and along there path to achive there goals. You may get there fast or you may get there slow but if you never give up and you stay focused then you will get there. Life is like credit. You can pay your way now or you can keep paying for it later.
Remember helping your downline is your job. That not only helps them to reach there goals but its how you will reach yours and so many people forget this. you suceed when your downline suceeds. Get in under someone that is doing there job and as you build a down line make sure your doing your job as well. I hope this post has been helpful to some of you out there.
In the words of spock: Live long and prosper
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#305 · Posted: 11 Jun 2011 21:42
Without leads or "prospects" no MLM or network marketing opportunity will ever succeed.
Getting your product/opportunity in front of the most eyeballs that are actually looking for your opportunity is one the main keys.
Example ==> Not ~everyone~ drinks Coca Cola but that doesn't stop them from posting billboards, doing commercials and branding themselves on American Idol. They are everywhere! They know that the "coke" drinkers are out there so they might as well do as much as they can to find them and remind them who they are.
Point ==> If you are in network marketing/MLM you need to do whatever you can to find/remind everyone that wants to be or is already sold on being a network marketer/MLM'er but just needs to be found/re-found and given some help to succeed. Be a leader and people will follow!
Blessings & good luck!
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#306 · Posted: 14 Jun 2011 09:18
its nice
I guarantee you if a company has good products, they have the mind to have a fair plan, at least that's what I've seen. I joined my company and didn't look at the plan for two months,
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#307 · Posted: 14 Jun 2011 17:21
DavidCarter9000
I agree, David. Any program out there that promises to do everything for you should be avoided. Network Marketing is work and whether you are working with your warm market or using alternate marketing tools to build your team, effort on your part will be necessary.
People fail at network marketing because they quit. Jim Rohn saide it best - if it were easy, everyone would be rich. Having said that, some people are mislead by representatives that describe huge dreams and huge money by joining their business. I don't know of one mlm that does not make promises of cars, vacations, and huge bonus checks.
While it helps to have a host of marketing tools available to the network marketer, you are right on the money, David, when you talk about the vision it takes to be a successful entreprenuer.
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#308 · Posted: 24 Jun 2011 00:18
I would like to thank everyone for their comments here. I am new to this forum and I have found a wealth of information to help me try and be a better marketer.
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#309 · Posted: 24 Jun 2011 02:52 · Edited by: Just2EZ
DavidCarter9000: The primary reason they fail is not because it can't be done. it's because they gave up. It takes time.
SO true!
But there is a reason most quit, they see the truth in most MLMs...
The only money being made in MOST MLMs is from recruiting more people.
It becomes a never ending game due to attrition in your downline.
Usually takes 2-3 months before the light comes on for most.
On the other hand, with a solid business plan and product it does take time.
Making money without a downline is the only kind of MLM for me.
Then I know my downline can make money without recruiting.
DavidCarter9000: Most people do fail at network marketing but most people fail at any one thing anyway.
At least if they fail at MLM it's probably because they have a conscience.
MLM structure is great but only if the profit is from product, not recruits.
And no Auto-ships! No "membership" fees! No replicated site fees!
If you want to know what's wrong with MLM, those would be it.
That and not allowing sales through retail outlets spell doom.
Reverse all those with a real product and you have a winner.
Then your prospects seek you out instead of you recruiting.
Guess I missed the point of "ANY MLM" this thread is titled, good luck.
Who wants a downline of beggars chasing their friends for money?
If it makes money without a downline you only have winners.
Make your downline prosper by showing them the money.
A real product in a real store is where the money is.
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#310 · Posted: 24 Jun 2011 03:11
coreyjroman: So remember the key to developing a successful downline is finding an organization that gets you excited about promoting their products and services first... not promoting their business opportunity! A truly good MLM will not need promotion if they offer tangible value... The "opportunity" will promote itself.
Oh, guess I was on topic since the author said the same thing 6 yrs ago.
Got it, and found the one that excites me enough to share at my expense.
Funny how that works, I make more giving it away than by trying to sell.
That's what believing in a product means, credibility.
If you have doubt so will your prospect.
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#311 · Posted: 27 Jun 2011 07:50
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coreyjroman: Although there are literally thousands of MLMs out there... the one real key to building a successful downline in any of them is to be involved in an organization that provides a product or service that "YOU" believe in. It is also important to find an MLM that allows you to focus more on the products and services that their organization provides more than the downline requirement of promoting the "OPPORTUNITY". One of the things I have learned through the years is that most of the MLMs I have dealt with that focused on the job opportunity more than the product were closer to being a scam than an MLM. Think about this... If an MLM provides a product or service at a value or price that captivates you and makes you want to buy it... then how easy will it be to promote the products & services to others (which is what the company is supposed to do). If your customer sees the value as you did... then he or she will be more likely to want to promote the products or services themselves making your downline more profitable. If an MLM wants to focus more on the "opportunity" then the products and you manage to create a downline of say 200 people you will be less likely to make anything at all because the people in your downline will not be focused on the product or service value. The truth is I can make more money from a downline of 20 people from an MLM that provides an inexpensive and valuable product than I can from a downline of 2000 from an MLM who offers products that are not really competitively priced or even needed and just wants to focus on the business "opportunity". So remember the key to developing a succesful downline is finding an organization that gets you excited about promoting their products and services first... not promoting their business opportunity! A truly good MLM will not need promotion if they offer tangible value... The "opportunity" will promote itself. Have a great day!
Hi, I'm new at this Forum
I've been working online for three years and you are right on what you're saying. When a product is good it will promote and sell itself.
But the problem is how to find a good product to promote.
I'm glad I've found some systems that work. Hope you too.
Have a nice day
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#312 · Posted: 27 Jun 2011 18:51
Many great comments and advice.
I'm new to this forum, but to the business
In my experience I've found that entry price point is a deterrent because it may be difficult to find people who are willing to pay.
Knowing what it takes to break-even is also important or you'll always operate in the RED.
If the comp plan is fair you could peddle used toothpicks or wet newspaper and still make money. But that puts you with a company that is pushing products. Today many things are available via electronic distribution and don't require sales volume to create commissions.
I look forward to reading more of your insight
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#313 · Posted: 1 Jul 2011 08:53
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I totally agree with you .. I have a large downline in the company I Am involved with .. It has such a product that people are interested in WITHOUT even having a business opportunity attached to it .making it a very viral opportunity
That's why there is the failure rate of over 95% of ALL online opportunity businesses ... They promote themselfs as a "OPPORTUNITY" and have a product that not many can sale ... And just the fact that most people could not sell a lifejacket to a drowning person... Makes it impossible to build any sizable downline
Interest in promoting
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#314 · Posted: 1 Jul 2011 15:00
I agree coreyjroman,
In my experience in the industry there have been many complains but I find that the high failure rate is due to the people, their skills and their strong desire to succeed vs their their easy will to quit and blame someone or something else.
In the US we are conditioned to be employees. That what our public school systems were created for. When people lose a job they don't look to start a business, they look for another job. Unfortunately, that's all they know.
Making an attempt to find a way to create income with a home business takes attributes that most people don't have. Since their comfort zone and especially today their false sense of security is in having a job, it makes it so easy to fall back to what is comfortable though not the answer they need.
The way I've found success and with the people around me is a person has to want success extremely bad. Like the silver or bronze medal winner in an Olympic event. They may have trained hard but in the back of their mind the Gold Medal winner did more and wanted it more than they did and that is why they got the Gold.
They if they want the Gold the next time out have to come back after 4 years of doing things others wouldn't so they can have what others couldn't.
In network marketing there have been some companies that have failed and had to close their doors on it's distributors, but for the most part it is people who fail not systems. That is due largely in part to their lack of commitment, persistence and consistency in activity. Wow! Are those the same 3 things that makes a successful athlete successful?
Anyway, great chatting. I love your insight.
Have a safe and family filled holiday weekend!
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#315 · Posted: 1 Jul 2011 15:10
First and foremost you are marketing yourself. People have to be able to connect with you in order to trust in what your offering. To be open for business means you need to market yourself as well as your product and service. This means suitable advertising for your product and service and it also means networking with people to show them what your all about and not just pushing a product to them. Networking is about long term relationships and support. Networking is not about forcing sales. You may network with people who never join your service or buy your product. Successful net workers do so well because they are helpful, open, and fun to be around. These are people who would be social and helpful regardless if they were selling a product. It's just in there DNA and if you have to force that out of yourself then you have already failed. When it comes to social media or meeting new people it's all about connecting with people. Making new friends and helping those people out if you can. If they want to know more about what you do or your products then that's great but that should not be your primary reason for meeting them. How we treat each other shapes the world.
If you are a good person, helpful, respectful, A good leader ect then people will see that. As a result your reputation will grow and you will become more successful because you earned it.
On another note when it comes to MLM or any product or service you need to believe what your offering can really help people in a certain way. You need to have your own strategies and support in place to assist in that. Don't peddle in stuff that you yourself don't believe in and wont stand by. If your building a down line then you need to make sure you have put in place strategies and support to help those people succeed and give them a real reason to join your team.
Not every one can succeed at any one thing and a lot of people fail with normal MLM however I firmly believe One24 does and will continue to offer the ability for people to succeed. My best advice to anyone that wants to try this company is to make sure you join with a dedicated and professional team that have proper strategies and advertising in place to help you grow with them. At the end of the day it has to be something you really want to do or you will ever see it through.
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#316 · Posted: 2 Jul 2011 12:43
DavidCarter9000 I agree with you on most points.
Isn't that why were discuss issues in this forum? To get to know people and hopefully professionals where we share information that we may be able to put in use.
The internet is a tough arena for building relationships. The nature of the word itself usually requires face-to-face or direct contact to build a relationship.
It's my opinion, but I've evaluated One24 over a year ago and didn't think it was that good and I still don't. But that's my opinion and that's why I didn't join. I don't deter anyone who wants to. I have my way of evaluating offers and it's served me well. If anyone disagrees with my approach I respect their opinion just as I hope they respect mine.
As far as believing in a product, well that goes back to what I said about having the will and drive to succeed. However, I don't believe in being product driven. You pick any company including the first (Amway) and you'll find that the bulk of all sales are to the distributor force. But rightfully so because that is what drives commission and they are in it to make money. If qualifying for a commissions mean one has to purchase a certain amount of their company's product I don't see anything wrong with that. I'm pointing out that it is why the bulk of the sales are by the distributors and auto-ship sales make it much easier.
People (customers) have buying habits that are hard to change, even with these free online shopping malls. There's a small percentage of people that solely shop online while there are others who are impulse shoppers and the online mall doesn't work for them. When the average person can hop in the car and get what they want, why would buying a network marketing/MLM product take priority? Only if they are distributors.
The juice wars are a prime example. Most juice products on any store shelf boasts Antioxidants and don't cost $30 and up for a single bottle. The ones on the shelf don't come with outlandish stories of a super fruit or berry that only grows on the west side of a shaded mountain in a rain forest; accessible only by the indigenous people who benefit from it's therapeutic qualities and live longer and disease free than anyone else. They never mention those indigenous people aren't exposed to all the toxins in the air, food and water we are.
Sorry for than rant. Have safe holiday weekend
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#317 · Posted: 2 Jul 2011 12:59
varolojay: The ones on the shelf don't come with outlandish stories of a super fruit or berry that only grows on the west side of a shaded mountain in a rain forest; accessible only by the indigenous people who benefit from it's therapeutic qualities and live longer and disease free than anyone else. They never mention those indigenous people aren't exposed to all the toxins in the air, food and water we are.
Love it! Thanks for the laugh.
Have a Happy 4th and celebrate your Independence.
You are all unique and special so be yourself.
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#318 · Posted: 11 Jul 2011 02:49
The first thing to understand about having success in MLM is people commonly make 5 very big mistakes when it comes having success.
They do this unknowingly and it's really not their fault.
The trick is to be able to figure out what these problems are and then tackle them head on. 
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#319 · Posted: 12 Jul 2011 02:07
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I agree with you. Some time it is hard to get commitment from a warm market. Some join us just because we are their relatives or family members.
Actually in fact, they have less or no interest in joining at all. Only a few are committed due to the benefits of network marketing. That is considerably lucky or bull's eye considering the warm market.
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#320 · Posted: 12 Jul 2011 02:20
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Excellent. I do encounter the same thing as well. Some time the marketing plan and product are terrific.
However, the up line are just as crucial. If the bond between up line and down line are weak, what is the point of having a good product, company and marketing?
Network marketing is a business dealing with people. If internally we are having problem within our organization, then people from the outside will be less interested to join. Not to mention other advantages if this issues become the main one.
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