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homebus
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#1 · Posted: 1 Nov 2008 04:16
Hi all.
Just a question for those working from home. how many of you have a website business making money online and how long have you waited for it to come out of the Google Sandbox?
Some can take 3 months while others can take up to a year or more.
What's your experience? Many thanks......John
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#2 · Posted: 1 Nov 2008 10:13
Hi Homebus,
I was sandboxed for a few days.
It's true that it can last quite a bit longer.
I've heard people complain about months and even more than one year (a paid site in one particular case).
The solution is to be a straight shooter and be patient if you get sandboxed. Sandboxing is very common. It's especially common with a free page. It doesn't mean you've done anything wrong.
The chances of getting sandboxed go up in relation to spamminess and black hat tactics present on the site. The duration also tends to increase for the same issues.
Junk sites with copy/pasted or barely altered entries also raise red flags with Google. Some of the more extreme redirects set off red flags as well.
Like I said, shoot straight and you won't have to worry about getting sandboxed - at least not for long.
Interesting topic. I'm sure that most folks are wondering about it.
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Sonni
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#3 · Posted: 1 Nov 2008 14:36
I'm curious about black hat and gray hat. Does anyone know what would be considered black hat or gray hat? I'm clueless and may do it not knowing I'm doing it. Don't want to upset big "G". Thanks.
Sonni
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madnawat
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#4 · Posted: 1 Nov 2008 14:46
Hello,
I was about for 5 months..but it varies..no one exactly know the period and it can extend upto 1 year or so.
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#5 · Posted: 1 Nov 2008 17:59
Hi Sonni,
If you aren't doing anything unethical - including deceiving practices - then there's no need to worry about it.
What is black hat and gray hat? It depends who you ask.
My stance is that black hat tactics tend to be criminal computer practices, deceitful practices, or cheating the system.
Depending upon who you ask, keyword stuffing, various redirects, cloaking, use of unrelated phrases to draw traffic, cookie stuffing, using existing works without either back links or permission, hidden text, meta tag stuffing, link farms, page hijacking to get personal info, etc.
Gray hat is more like exploiting loop holes though the company being exploited would object to the said practice. It's a borderline sort of thing though it is legal (perhaps just for a short time until the company can find out how to plug the hole) and not always at the expense of others - at least not very much.
For example, if you created a site and figured out how to show up on the "new section" of a social book marking site over and over again - all day long - so that dozens or hundreds of new folks visited your site with each iteration (occurrence), it wouldn't exactly harm anyone.
The visitors from the social site would be able to check out something new without really being harmed, you'd probably get a good dose of conversions, and the owner of your affiliate program would make a profit on your sales as well.
It's not really harming anyone and it's very clever, but technically, it is a bit slippery since in essence, you'd be taking advantage of a social networking site when we all know that the owners of the site and some of the members would consider it to be quite upsetting.
It's fun to read about how it's done but it isn't quite above board.
Perhaps some of you have heard similar stories. It's definitely amusing and I can't help admiring (and being a bit disgusted with) those who experiment until they figure these things out.
When it comes to hacking (not what you were really asking but may be curious about), it usually involves security breaches aka break-ins.
Black hats usually steal or cause heavy damage to a site whereas gray hats usually do some light damage to get a point across or to earn some bragging rights. Technically it's illegal to break in to a site even if you just stand in the doorway for a few moments and then leave without doing anything further.
Black hat hacking (appropriate term is cracking - the media has it wrong!) is always an aggressive criminal activity where hackers use their hacking skills to commit crimes.
White hat hackers understand how things work. They do not use their hacking skills to commit crimes.
Hope that sheds a bit of light on the topic,
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Sonni
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#6 · Posted: 1 Nov 2008 23:59
Thanks NS,
It's kind of confusing I read all kinds of things since I read a lot trying to get this thing right. For some reason I thought black hatters/gray hatters were only jamming on Google but from what you're saying they're hacking into peoples sites and that's a scary thing.
Well, I'll just mosey along and try to stay on the safe side, lol.
BTW, I finally got some content on the new blog and haven't had any technical difficulties in 3 whole days Wow!
Sonni
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Vishal P. Rao
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#7 · Posted: 2 Nov 2008 00:07
One of my forums had been sandboxed and although I didn't track how long it had been, I guess it was over 6-8 months.
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pcwork
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#8 · Posted: 2 Nov 2008 20:10
Sometimes your competitors can get your website deindexed forever, and nothing you do will help.
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#9 · Posted: 4 Nov 2008 14:28
Sonni,
Just to clarify: Not all black hat or gray hat marketers break into sites. I was just adding some additional commentary in regards to hackers.
The reverse is true as well - not all hackers are online marketers ;)
"Black hat" and "gray hat" are general terms. They have ethical connotations.
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