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dm356
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#61 · Posted: 20 Jun 2008 00:04
Out of curiosity, for those of you that got the plans, did anyone try making one of these HHO electrolyzers and if so, what were the results?
For those that did see the plans, does it look like something the average Tom, Dick or Harriette would bother attempting, or does it look pretty daunting?
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#62 · Posted: 20 Jun 2008 02:01
If anyone gives this a shot and actually builds one of the units and tests it out, please PM me (or post your results here). I'd love to promote this product as an affiliate, but I want to make sure it works before I do.
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Aspire
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#63 · Posted: 20 Jun 2008 09:11
thepessimist: This is obviously a scam. You'll've paid $50 for piece of paper describing perpetual motion.
Hmmm! - Could be....
I purchased the plans and am in the process of getting all the material to try it for myself. If it works I will be laughing - if not, I will chalk it up to scammers preying on the gullable (me)
By the way, the first part of the plans says it is free to the world, so even though I purchased it, I have already given it to a dozen people in this thread for nothing. Getting too many requests, so I will make it available for FREE download in a day or so.
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#64 · Posted: 21 Jun 2008 01:51
I'm as skeptical as the next person, but I'm not sure how this would violate Conservation of Energy. If I understand correctly, and if this functions as it claims to, it is simply using energy extracted from gasoline, or otherwise obtained to charge a battery, to extract energy stored in water. There is no law that says the amount of energy stored in the water must be less than the amount of energy required to extract it. If there were, we would still be in caves. And we wouldn't even have campfires.
This model is not a closed system. The water doesn't create additional water. In theory, it is expended, along with the gasoline, or electrical charge used to extract the hydrogen from it. Hydrogen of course contains a lot of energy per unit volume.
By the same logic I think I'm seeing applied here, how can you possibly use an electric charge from a battery to extract more energy from gasoline than what is used to extract it? Are you folks implying that the internal combustion engine violates conservation of energy, or am I not following?
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Aspire
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#65 · Posted: 21 Jun 2008 02:13
OK - Here are the instructions for the Hydrogen Generator - It is free to anyone wanting it.
Download it from http://www.ecowatch.net.au/downloads/Run_a_car_on_water.zip
Anyone interested in trying it, we should all compare notes here.
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Paul
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kuja
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#66 · Posted: 3 Jul 2008 14:32
For all of you building from runcaronwater.com 114 page e-book, note: and i am almpost finished. Gap size betneen electrodes is very important and so is coil windings so if your model is not working that is where i would start your trouble shooting. I would not recomind getting parts from an old freezer though they are tempting. I have spent 6 times the under exadurated 200 dollars or less quote. from site and no you can not buy all parts from hardware store. but from an all most finished generator and two beekers of water sience is posible and working.
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#67 · Posted: 3 Jul 2008 23:29
I haven't done enough research on my own but I do know hydrogen powered cars do exist. Whether the $50 e-book will give you the information you need or just make its author tons of cash is another story.
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JDCruz
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#68 · Posted: 4 Jul 2008 03:15
Honda already launched its hydrogen car. I am not sure if it's water that they are using as input.
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#69 · Posted: 4 Jul 2008 16:15
Mike,
If Chrysler, for example, could advertise their vehicles with double their gas mileage for only 50 bucks per unit dealerships would look like Macdonalds at high noon! Love this forum you guys are great!
P.S. I personally think they will work and plan to buy one soon.
Thanks, Dan
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Aspire
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#70 · Posted: 5 Jul 2008 07:54 · Edited by: Aspire
Any one interested in who is marketing these things complete - Go to E-bay and type in Hydrogen Fuel Cell, or Hydrogen Generator.
There are hundreds of different ones there and after having a look at what is on offer I tend to lean towards the expensive ones.
I found one at Ebay that has great feedback - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/oziworks - No this is not me!!
Still have not had the chance to chat with anyone who has done it and IS using it effectively. Just for the sake of it - why dont we all do a search of regular business with a shopfront and see if these are being sold
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Aspire
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#71 · Posted: 5 Jul 2008 08:17
popeye4671: If Chrysler, for example, could advertise their vehicles with double their gas mileage for only 50 bucks
I am pretty sure that all vehicle manufacturers will have oil companies as strategic partners. The oil companies pump up the stuff - The car manufacturers make things that burn the stuff.
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#72 · Posted: 6 Jul 2008 18:38
For anyone who still isn't convinced that this is a scam, let me try another explanation.
The key point is that you start with water and end with water. First you convert water to HHO (electrolysis), then you convert HHO back to water (combustion). These two processes are chemical opposites of each other, and if one (combustion) releases energy, the other (electrolysis) necessarily consumes the exact same amount of energy. According to the second law of thermodynamics, you will also waste some energy along the way, but even if you didn't, the net energy gain still couldn't be more than 0. For more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car
matthew6: ...to extract energy stored in water.
There is no energy extracted from water in this scheme. The energy is stored in HHO (high-energy state), then extracted by converting the HHO back to water (low-energy state). In other words, the fuel is hydrogen, not water.
matthew6: Are you folks implying that the internal combustion engine violates conservation of energy, or am I not following?
A gasoline engine converts gasoline (high-energy compound) into carbon dioxide, oxygen and water (low-energy compounds). Note that those aren't converted back to gasoline. For a full analogy, imagine that someone claims to have built an engine that takes carbon dioxide, oxygen and water, synthesizes gasoline from them, then burns that gasoline. This is not theoretically impossible, but creating gasoline will require more energy than you can extract by burning it.
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kuja
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#73 · Posted: 8 Jul 2008 11:05
There is a big difference in theory and practice. Why not try to build it your self I am fairly confident you might be surprised about your outcome after the work is finished. But you have to meet the prerequisites of equivalent exchange nothing comes with out a price to be paid.
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#74 · Posted: 8 Jul 2008 12:38
JDCruz: Honda already launched its hydrogen car. I am not sure if it's water that they are using as input.
I think water is just the by-product going out of the exhaust.
The fuel that would need re-filling would be hydrogen.
In which case would make sense from a environmental point-of-view
but economically would probably would not be much better than
petrol (gasoline) because eventually the oil companies would start
putting up hyrogen filling station.
Unless you have your own hydrogen filling station at home which
will probably cost a good bit.
...still waiting for the "air car"... 
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#75 · Posted: 18 Jul 2008 17:01
WOW! I am sick of reading people trying to disprove these systems by stating the conservation of energy laws and such. This only shows that they do not fully understand how the entire system of a car works. To these people turbochargers and superchargers will logically not work since they "take" energy from the engine. There is SOOOO much more to take into consideration. The bottom line is that you will be adding hydrogen to the fuel air mixture which can most easily be compared to adding NOS. Hydrogen burns EXTREMELY well, this is why companies have been researching using it as a PRIMARY fuel for cars, the main reasons they have not succeeded is that the designs call for hydrogen to be stored in tanks at extremely high pressures and also producing hydrogen generally is very costly since hydrogen bonds are among the strongest chemical bonds.
PLEASE STOP POSTING THAT THESE WILL NOT WORK WITH YOUR ONLY BASIS BEING THAT IT DEFIES THE LAW OF CONSERVATION OF ENERGY!
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#76 · Posted: 19 Jul 2008 00:46
I see your point, merik64, but rather than saying it will work or won't work is one thing, but actually trying it to see if it will or won't work more important. So...everyone's opinion about it is practically a moot point until they try it out to see what the results are.
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Aspire
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#77 · Posted: 19 Jul 2008 16:37
I have no doubt that the Water to HHO process works - It is just that there are many scammers on the internet trying to capitalise on others desperate attempts to survive the trip to the gas station.
The science behin this conversion is there. I do not think that the result comes in the form of a small glass bottle with a bit of baking soda.
This is an interesting YouTube Clip for the sceptics... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6yRn4IAsrU&eurl=http://sortr.com/youtube_play.php?id= %20L6yRn4IAsrU&v=water%20car
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#78 · Posted: 19 Jul 2008 16:59
I want to try the HHO sytem on my current vehicle.
The only problem is I am trying to find legitimate plans online without paying the $50. I would assume that by now there would be free plans out there.
I am in the auto industry and have most of the materials at hand already. Does anyone know where I can get plans for free?
I am not interested at all in becoming an affiliate. I just want to build the system and see if it actually works.
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Aspire
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#79 · Posted: 20 Jul 2008 07:43
Hey Bill,
I purchased them and am giving them free to anyone wanting them.
I gave the download site in an earlier posting on this page.
Download it from http://www.ecowatch.net.au/downloads/Run_a_car_on_water.zip
Paul
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#80 · Posted: 20 Jul 2008 11:12
The website runyourcaronwater.com is poorly built information because to build the product it would cost at least 750 dollars. This website has a poor support because after repeated emails no response is given. They just want to take your money. Be careful before you spend the money. If you have 500 dollars, buy readymade product available in the market.
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