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RayvinAndRob
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#221 · Posted: 22 Jun 2008 11:20 · Edited by: RayvinAndRob
We agree. Network marketing is about selling products and services and sponsoring people into your business.
For that, you need skills.
Why not offer a free ebook to struggling and frustrated network marketers who believe it's their fault they're not having any success?
How about NOT putting any affiliate links or advertisements inside the ebook, except for a few inexpensive business building tools that you don't profit from?
How about not mentioning your products and services in the ebook at all?
How about helping people aquire the skills they need for building THEIR businesses for F*ree? No sales agenda.
Sound strange?
Maybe.
But people will remember you when you help them. For free. Without an agenda.
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PennyWise
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#222 · Posted: 22 Jun 2008 18:40
That's a lovely idea.
How, may I ask, does this system support itself financially?
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OM_Dave
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#223 · Posted: 23 Jun 2008 15:41
fsagarnaga: Remember usually, if it sounds too good to be true, it is not true.
I have seen this statement several times on these forums from everyone. To say it's an understatement would in fact be an understatement.
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ipodnano7
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#224 · Posted: 25 Jun 2008 09:10
Some work at home websites are legit, reading approved reviews may help identifying the good ones from the bad ones
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kpm2319
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#225 · Posted: 28 Jun 2008 19:56
Any program that promises millions of dollars is a scam. There are a few that are upfront with you and say in the beginning your best days might be $100 and then you learn the system over a couple months and make more money. kevin mulcahy
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kpm2319
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#226 · Posted: 28 Jun 2008 20:17
Also, look and see if they offer support, a system where you can have your questions answered.
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SunshineS
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#227 · Posted: 4 Jul 2008 02:58
If it is too good to be true then it is a scam!
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polo234
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#228 · Posted: 15 Jul 2008 14:37
so how do u deal with the fact that you cant just make money without having some klind of investment......no one is online to give you free money right?
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RayvinAndRob
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#229 · Posted: 15 Jul 2008 15:38
Hey Polo234,
I would deal with it by finding a good opportunity first and then saving up for the initial investment and making certain I could afford to cover any monthly costs while I brought my business into profit.
Questions:
1) Do you know how to properly evaluate opportunities?
2) Can you save $500 over a period of time?
3) Can you afford to spend about $250 per month while building your business?
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PMHayes
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#230 · Posted: 17 Jul 2008 23:54 · Edited by: PMHayes
A good MLM business model is one that teaches duplication, not how to be a Sonsor Monster, as R&R put it, above. Duplication is taught by example. One person does not have to sponsor thousands for their MLM to work for them. That's a super human feat for most people.
A good model is one built on this premise. Sponsor two. Teach each of those to sponsor two. Teach them to teach their recruits to sponsor two. In a very short time, you have an organization that is growing, thriving, and sustainable because everyone who comes in learns how to sponsor two and teach their downline to do the same. Folks, it's not rocket science. MLM is very simple.
Now, I realize that that system will have points where it breaks down, not everyone who comes in will follow through. But it doesn't matter, the ones who do will sustain the growth of the organization. There will always be people who will join you and drop out because it didn't "work for them." And, they will probably blame you, or the company, when it was their own fault that they failed.
But that doesn't matter either, unless of course they came in under someone who did not teach them the simple geometric progression of two sponsoring two sponsoring two, etc. In that case it is the upline's fault. Yes, that happens, and yes, it gives MLM a bad name. This goes back to R&R's bad business model. But if one sticks to the basic plan above, and teaches and passes that model down, one will be successful because the real power in MLM lies in the fact that teaching others to be successful makes one successful in the process.
I do, by the way, believe in R&R's statement about giving something away. My blog is a good example of that. I do not sell one thing from the blog. It is intended to be a resource, a help, to the online community and to those searching for a "how to" in MLM and Online Marketing. I get quite a few visitors to my "business" websites by folks who have visited and been inspired by my blog, and by articles I have published in ezines and other online article directories.
Great thread, people. Let's keep encouraging each other to excellence and integrity. Let's restore the reputation that MLM was intended to have all along. Success being achieved by people helping people helping people.
Mitch
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RayvinAndRob
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#231 · Posted: 18 Jul 2008 16:36
PMHayes: R&R's bad business model.
Excellent points Mitch. Here are a few other ones to consider:
1) Bad business models drive distributors to spend their time recruiting others instead of retailing product.
2) Good business models allow distributors to retail product without requiring customers to sign up for anything.
3) Bad business models have products at wholesale prices and products at retail prices.
4) Good business models have products set at one price whether you're a distributor or a customer.
5) Bad business models drive a recruiting behaviour in distributors.
6) Good business models drive a retailing behaviour in distributors.
7) Bad business models have their prices so high that distributors put them up for sale at cheaper prices on ebay hoping to recover some of their losses before getting out.
8) Good business models have products people would buy even if there were no business opportunity attached.
9) Bad business models destroy families and reputations.
10) Good business models enhance and strengthen families and reputations.
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justlikethat
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#232 · Posted: 18 Jul 2008 18:05
Hey everyone!
Wish I would have found this site a couple of weeks ago! Thanks for all the advice and tips!
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Flyboy
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#233 · Posted: 19 Jul 2008 22:34
Simply put, any MLM depends on building a downline to survive whether it be 1 or 100 downline. Every single one of them are selling the exact same products you are which equates to market saturation in a short period of time. There is no getting around that fact. The only ones truely profit are the very top of the food chain. Usually the top 3 to 5 in the company. It is a proven fact and the evidence is certainly out there. Just do a few searches and you will find plenty of proof.
As to how ordinary people can sell it so easily, well they are highly motivated when they first begin and the upline is trained to recognize which ones are hot and can sell and they devote their attention on those few real motivated new recruites. I do agree that there are both those that swear by MLM's and those that hate them. I am neither of those. If you think about the concept of an MLM, and compare that to a truely independent business, are they even close to each other. I think not. A truely independent business will have it's own wholesale suppliers and have many different sources to produces income streams. MLM's can't make that claim. You are NOT usually allowed to freelance and supply your own products when you are tied into an MLM.
You usually HAVE to get your products from the upline which in itself means you are not free to search for the best wholesale price which ensures you can set and make the most profit. Buying from a true wholesaler allows you to compete in the marketplace with a price 1 step above that of the wholesaler. In a downline situation, if you are very far down the line you will find to many price jumps between you and the true wholesale price for you to compete even with a small retailer or etailer. If you are looking for a preset business model, an MLM may be what you want. If you are not affraid of some long hours, hard studying, and hard work, than why not set up your own business with your own wholesale suppliers?
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kaazoom
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#234 · Posted: 20 Jul 2008 09:10
I have been a victim of many home business scams over the years. The Latest one was as a 'rebate processor'! I'm sure I have 'sucker' written on my heead! The ad said you could make money simply by dealing with rebates for companies. There were no companies. They promised that you could make money with just a few minutes work. The ad tried to make you think that there were limited positions in your area. What they didn't say was that it required you to do affliate maketing and then offer a rebate on the products you sold! They promised a refund if you were not satisfied, but their email address goes nowhere! I'm not sure whether I can name the program here, otherwise I would.
If anyone sends you a email offering a job as a rebate processor avoid it like the plague. One thing I have learnt to do before signing up for any program and that is to go to google, type in the program's name followed by the word "scam". It isn't perfect way of checking, but it can often save you a lot of money.
Paul
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weesa2005
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#235 · Posted: 23 Jul 2008 00:49
What was the "Rebate Processr" Program scam you used? I'm nervous now as I have signed up with one called "Process at Home". Was it the same one? It offers many other ways to make money like redirecting traffic to yor website, blog etc and getting search engines to pick you out with attached tags (code) to get attention to the products your marketing.
Do tell
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#236 · Posted: 23 Jul 2008 01:17 · Edited by: Vishal P. Rao
weesa2005: I'm nervous now as I have signed up with one called "Process at Home".
Process At Home?? Ever hear of??
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thebestbuyguy
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#237 · Posted: 31 Jul 2008 22:37
It is really sad all the crap that people sell. I fell victim to the "Type at Home" business scam. It promised 1 to 3 thousand dollars a month, but all you pay for to get started is information you can find for free by doing a search on google. Tragic.
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#238 · Posted: 2 Aug 2008 06:47
I am very fortunate to have found a business that has been in business for 9 years and is a business model that works and is sustainable and definitely not a scam.
However I was in a travel MLM that is a ponzi and I did lose money, I lost commissions because of the way it was modeled.
Now'a days the word "scam" is thrown around loosely.
IF you join and you don't lose money BUT your in-law joins same program and they did lose money, is it a "scam"???
Autosurfs are popular method of advertising IF AND ONLY IF it is not shared by a bunch of CONSENTING adults who get together and decide to share revenue in the form of rebates than its called a scam and DOJ and the AG will enter in, shut it down, and its labeled "scam: http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/autosurf.htm
Again I am glad the company I proudly represent is run properly
and will generate sustainable income.
Terri
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#239 · Posted: 2 Aug 2008 10:46
I agree, Terri. People need to look at the length of time companies have been in business, the quality of their product, their plans for expansion, and their customer support. It is even better when they have a physical location that you can actually visit and phone numbers as well as email addresses to contact them.
I've been the route in the past that many of us have been through where we join the latest and greatest and it can be great for a short period of time, but too many people loose and only those at the top really do well. Or you get money back guarantees when it is only run by 1 or 2 people - how much can you count on that? I sure never got my money back in those. Are they all officially "scams"? Maybe not, but people should be very aware of what they are getting into.
I am so happy myself to have found a company that is run well and will be in business 20 years from now.
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#240 · Posted: 7 Aug 2008 19:36
If you are already working in real estate or in some kind of direct marketing or sales job, you most likely are perfect for online network marketing. You will know deep down if you are bieing scammed. Do your research, ask other folks on this forum, and then dive in never looking back! 
It really helps if the products you sell, or company you associate with, actually has a brick and mortar office! Scams will have nothing, but the real thing will be proud to publicize their offices and locations.
Do your research into the headquarters of anything you are tempted to try.
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