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A8ch
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#21 · Posted: 4 Feb 2009 17:02 · Edited by: A8ch
PavelBecker: It's great that you are so passionate about the subject... but I honestly believe that for our purposes the "production quality" of articles will do just fine.
Here is an expression I use quite often and I regularly apply
its principles to many situations: "Sufficient is enough."
It is that point when I determine that I've done enough to get
a desired result, and that doing any more would not materially
improve the outcome.
For example:
I can kill a fly with a simple fly swatter, or I can use a bat.
Either approach would result in the fly's demise, but one is
obviously sufficient to do the job, while the other is overkill.
(No pun intended!)
I'd say that your "production quality" mentality is a reflection
of my "sufficient is enough" attitude. So we are essentially
reading from the same sheet of music. Now, when we apply
our templates to article marketing, the default standard should
satisfy the levels of value, quality and ethics that all the players
expect.
PavelBecker: I still cook complex meals for my wife and when I do some repairs around the house I'm very precise, but for everybody else - "production quality."
In other words, you insist on a higher production quality for
the meals you cook for your wife and repairs you make to your
house, than you do on other matters. That's fair enough! 
Hermas
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drknlvly6781
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#22 · Posted: 22 Jul 2009 11:48
Hmm, its been a while since I posted this discussion, but all of you have posted some wonderful points.
Although I have since stopped doing as much re-writing as I was doing, this discussion has made me come to realize that this isn't something that I want to do for my own business. It will be okay to get information from a couple of resources, as we all do in article writing; but as far as my own business, I think it would be best to do my own articles from scratch, instead of rewriting others.
As you've said newbieshield, I want my voice to come through and presell my customers, not several muddled voices.
So, I will leave my re-writing skills for the freelancers that want to pay for it, but as far as using them for my own works, I will not.
Thanks for the lively debate.
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#23 · Posted: 22 Jul 2009 13:21
Hi All,
Just read through this thread and thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. While I haven't gotten to the stage that I need to write articles yet, I do have plenty of experience with scientific writing.
There are two main types of scientific papers: research papers and review papers. In a research paper you present original work with mostly unique content (referred to as "primary literature"). A review paper on the other hand is essentially a rewrite of many research papers to summarize a particular topic ("secondary literature"). Review papers are completely "legit" and get published in some of the most respected journals in the world.
What drknlvly6781 described in the original post is basically writing a review paper. You take numerous source material, write a summary overview of the topic based on that material, and make sure you aren't plagiarizing the original material word for word. The only major difference is that in a scientific review paper you cite your sources in an often extensive list at the end.
I have read many an online article in the course of my everyday web browsing, and I can't remember seeing anyone cite sources in such an article. Even if you write an article "from scratch" you are likely using information and concepts taken from other sources. Without proper citation these articles aren't any more legit or ethical than what was described in the original post.
So long story short, I agree with Pavel. Nothing wrong with rewriting. You might consider adding a "sources cited" section to it, but even without that I don't see any real distinction between that and an article written "from scratch".
And for Pavel, as a bit of a perfectionist I can certainly relate to your stories about production quality. I have slaved for 2 hours to make a gourmet meal with the finest ingredients for my family only to have my son immediately drown it in ranch dressing. Drives me nuts. Many a night have I wished I'd just thrown some crap in the microwave instead. Production quality-- it gets the job done.
Okay, maybe that was my 4 cents worth. Sorry for the essay!
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#24 · Posted: 25 Jul 2009 19:43
I was beginning to give up on azine articles to many rules had loads sent back. This week i had two published so it's a start in the right direction. Some good advise on here.
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#25 · Posted: 26 Jul 2009 21:26
Interesting as always and very informative. Now I feel like maybe cranking out a few articles myself tonight - lol 
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#26 · Posted: 27 Jul 2009 10:36
Even if there "isn't anything wrong" with rewriting someone else's work, isn't one of the goals of writing articles to gain credibility? I would think that using someone else's article as your own could reduce your credibility. Even if no one figured out that's what you were doing, I think you'd be better off creating your own work. Yes, it takes time to do research and write about a topic, but who's to say that your article in the end wouldn't be better than the one that someone else posted? Also, if you haven't taken the time to do the research, how do you know it's accurate?
Too often people are looking for the easy way to make money. Well, most of the time there is no easy way! Doing things the "hard way" is what will lead you innovate. It's difficult to be innovative if you're copying what someone else has done!
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#27 · Posted: 15 Aug 2009 13:04
Thanks Dr. Boo, I appreciate your two dollars worth lol. To paraphrase what you said, there is nothing online that hasn't been written about before. Whether you write an article from scratch, or use another's article to start your own, the idea has been used before regardless. I feel as long as you aren't taking another's copyrighted work to change, or taking another's article and posting it word for word as your own, you are within your rights to rewrite an article.
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#28 · Posted: 15 Aug 2009 13:07
Oh, and to let everyone know that I haven't gone back on what I said, most of the things that I write for my business will be my own work completely. However, I will link to other's articles for things I am not so well versed on. If I cannot find an article that is up to my standards, or doesn't show the information that I need, I will find an uncopyrighted article to rewrite.
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#29 · Posted: 20 Aug 2009 08:36
Just do not rely on some softwares to bail you out, the best way is to do it by yourself.
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#30 · Posted: 20 Aug 2009 10:38
I can't help myself, I have to post here, whether the question has been answered or not. I am passionate about writing and to me my articles are sacred. I put my heart into them and I like to think it shows. What is the saying about the pen having more power than the sword? My writing is responsible for much of my so far success. When I post on a forum, I am writing and hope that who I am reflects in my words. It builds trust from your readers and you gain loyal followers. There is nothing that can replace that. The money is nice, but the thank you emails are the bomb.
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#31 · Posted: 30 Nov 2009 18:44
I just re-read this post after quite some time, and it seems that there was a misunderstanding from the beginning. Now that I understand a little more about the process, I will come back to explain.
Newbie, Hermas, and many others continually spoke about "stealing another's work". The comment that most stood out to me today was:
Newbie Shield: Stealing the works of others and making a profit from it is always wrong. Is there an argument against that? If you pay for the materials and manpower for a siding job and once it's done, a different crew gets paid for it and you get nothing, is it the right way? Same is true with the writing or musical works of others. Same is true with everything. Am I wrong?
The "argument" I have is that I never stole anyone's work, rewritten or not. What I was using at the time, and now after reading this and the few supporting me will go back to using, is Private Label Rights (PLR) articles. For those that don't know what this is; a package of articles on a particular subject written for the EXPLICIT PURPOSE of use of another.
These articles are usually obtained from freelance writers, who ARE PAID for use of the article when it is written. In my work as a freelancer, I saw many projects where a person will ask for an article on a particular subject fora specific length.
The articles I was using at the time were actually free PLR, which usually meant they were of poor quality in the first place. But even there, I found many with a good basic concept, just a little grammar work, and a good reworking in my own voice and they were able to stand on my own.
My statement here is, if the articles are being obtained in such a way that the author consents to its use, and is compensated for their work, how can it be unethical? If I am taking the time to rework the main idea and putting myself into the article, so that the finished article flows in such a way to speak to people like me; how is this shunning creativity and only giving minimal effort?
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#32 · Posted: 3 Dec 2009 20:22
Articles are the soul of internet marketing and you should do it with passion. As with drknlvly6781, you should read the original articles first and you can rewrite them by praragraph in order for you to understand what the outcoming article will look like.
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#33 · Posted: 20 Dec 2009 22:59
Actually Jean, that is exactly what I do. I pick apart the article piece by piece, then rewrite it in my own words. I actually have said this time and again throughout this thread.
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#34 · Posted: 21 Dec 2009 18:10
It's been my experience that you have to change at least 75% of the article to get it past the duplication filters. And, I would alter the title as well because that often sets off the biggest "red flag".
Over the years, rewriting has always been harder for me than just writing a new article so I just change keywords and create a new one. For me it's faster that way.
Todd
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