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#21 · Posted: 23 Oct 2008 18:11
I was actually thinking about joining one of these things at some point in the future to give it a go. I suppose I will find out for myself if it was worth it.
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#22 · Posted: 23 Oct 2008 20:04
I've never liked the taste that cash gifting left in my mouth, legal or not.
I feel like it just isn't morally right to ask a person for money, in their hopes of people giving them money further down the line.
Its like a previous poster said, what happens when you don't get any new people? Then the people at the bottom don't get anything for their efforts or paying into the program.
Regardless of the legalities, I think I will continue to work my system. At least this way I am showing people how to make free cash, instead of taking cash out of their pockets. I'll sleep better at night.
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#23 · Posted: 25 Oct 2008 19:35
MYOWNBOSS---
I don't mean to be rude, but that might be the dumbest analogy I've ever heard.
I'm not trying to "split hairs" on the legality, I'm simply saying for the cash you receive to remain tax free, the IRS tax law states that no solicitations must take place in a Gifting siutation. If you are are solicting with a Gifting program, then ALL of the cash is taxable.
I've been working onine for over 8 years and cash gifting converts better than ANYTHING I've ever tried (. It converts for two main reasons...it's easy to understand and simple to operate. The key (as with any program) is marketing. If you know how to market, or join someone that will teach you, then you can generate more money than any other program because it converts...plain and simple.
It you don't like the gifting set up, or you are feeling a little "uneasy" about it, then simply don't get involved. Keep pushing a juice or ebook package that nobody wants or even cares about.
I don't mean to sound harsh or like a jerk, I'm just telling you how I feel.
Take Care...
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#24 · Posted: 28 Oct 2008 01:03 · Edited by: MyOwnBoss
You're right. How about this? It's illegal to solicit sex for money, so the scantily clad young woman who 'invited' me to have sex with her in return for my money won't be convicted - sorry, that's splitting hairs...
bazball99: I don't mean to be rude, but that might be the dumbest analogy I've ever heard. I'm not trying to "split hairs" on the legality, I'm simply saying for the cash you receive to remain tax free, the IRS tax law states that no solicitations must take place in a Gifting siutation. If you are are solicting with a Gifting program, then ALL of the cash is taxable.
Look, I'm not in a position to advise someone on the legality of whether a ponzi is something they should get into, but this is a forum where people come to learn more about legitimate ways of making money from home. My point was simply that getting involved in something where the legality is in question is a bad idea in general.
bazball99: I've been working onine for over 8 years and cash gifting converts better than ANYTHING I've ever tried (. It converts for two main reasons...it's easy to understand and simple to operate.
I'm sure there is a tremendous conversion rate. There are a lot of people desperate to make money but don't have knowledge. When they go to a cash gifting website and hear how someone put in his $400 bucks and bought a Mercedes with his return 3 weeks later without doing any work (it may even be true), they think it's the answer to all their financial problems.
I'm not saying cash gifting schemes are illegal, I'm saying they aren't a business.
If you sell juice or ebooks and somebody buys them by accident (since nobody wants them), they are giving you money (and your profit) in return for something. In a cash gifting scheme, if someone signs up for you they are giving you money in the hopes that more somebodies will give them money who hope even more somebodies will give THEM money. The last leg never gets paid when the operators close the doors on the scheme...
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#25 · Posted: 28 Oct 2008 02:59
Whether you like or choose to do cash gifting, or any other program, the first thing to understand is how to market the program to achieve success. Networker's are failing in their online biz pursuits not because of the program but because of lack of marketing know how.
So gift, if you want to gift, but whatever you do help those you sponsor learn how to market the program to have a chance at succeeding. That's the gift that keeps on giving.
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#26 · Posted: 28 Oct 2008 11:04
I understand your points. I really don't want, or did not want, to get into a long dialogue in the legalities of a gifting program.
My original point was that I'm just a little tired of reading forums and articles all over the net from people just bashing the "legality" of cash gifting when they have never even tried it, or they don't know how a cash gifting system works. It just seems that some people have nothing better to do than just post..."it's a scam" or "it's illegal."
I understand that cash gifting isn't for everyone....just like EDC, Passport, Abunza, being an affiliate, etc. isn't for everyone. If it's not for you, that's fine...but before you go claiming "it's illegal" or "scam"....do your research and not just go off of what you've heard or read from others.
Bottom line....it works, just like any other program with the right marketing and the right sponsor.
That's all for now...
Kyle
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#27 · Posted: 28 Oct 2008 18:32
You know I feel the people who think that it is illegal. Because its not. Because its not a pyramid it is a 1up. In my link they provide you the proper law which states that it is legal. And instead of marketing a product you could care less about, why not advertise MONEY?!! Thats what people want. And thats the bottom line. Money isn't everything and if you want to stand by what you believe...thats fine. You are supposed to. But for people like me its an opportunity of a lifetime. You cant lose. No matter what your business is you have to market.
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#28 · Posted: 10 Nov 2008 15:27
Interesting,
Having researched this to death, the good, bad and ugly, and having avoided them in the past since we know ponzi and pyramid scams seem to go hand in hand, but like everything, it is in the eye of the beholder.
I go back to the airplane deals, small public gatherings where money was passed about creating the excitement to drop your money in the bucket. Yes, I attended a few, but never bothered putting money into them for I would know someone would lose out in the end, so I passed.
We have all seen the thinly disguised pyramids, a product of little value, an worthless ebook, and on and on it goes. I started to research these more closely as I have a good friend, doctor in fact, who use to hit me for nutritional products he was promoting. Well, he didn't bother after awhile, and then gave it up himself. I hadn't heard form him in a few months, so I dropped by and asked him what he was doing? Silence, said nothing much, no more MLM deals for me, and that shocked me, he was in several over 20 years I have known him, including Shaklee.
Needless to say, when he said no more MLM, and then said nothing, I was curious. Knowing him, I counted on a pitch on whatever he was doing, but none came, so I was even more curious. I called and asked him, OK, what are you doing that you don't want to tell me? Blew my mind, but he said gifting, and he knew how I felt about it, so he didn't say anything out of respect for my take on it having spoke about just about every deal ever introduced for years.
Anyway, I did take a closer look, and yes, it could easily be called illegal, just as with so many MLM deals out there, thinly disguised like a business like ASD for example, never mind all the HYIP's out there ripping people off. My take is simple, I like to gamble, I like to take risks, and I am curious about why so many are making money with this concept. Can you lose money, of course, just as you can in any business.
The way I saw it, as long as you are saying it like it is up front, and no promises, no BS, just follow the system and like everything, it is a numbers game, some will, some won't, who cares, as long as you don't have to chase your friends and family, it works. I cannot believe what he was bringing in, and he never said a word, and that is why I was curious. Is it moral? In my opinion, as long as you say it like it is, it is little different than all the other money making opportunities out there with worthless products or services for a $500. or more. We all know the ones, so I won't list them here, but come on, pay to play has been around since the beginning of MLM industry. It is now called front loading, but just as illegal in my opinion for promoters always lied or hyped people through inducement, and this I have a problem with.
Well, I tried it out of curiosity to prove it was a fluke and my doc friend was just lucky. Then I thought about that analogy and realized, if he was lucky, then why didn't he make a fortune in all those nutritional deals he had promoted for decades? I guess it comes down to one thing, money talks, even if you don't, and that is the secret formula, especially in a recession, the more people are worried about their jobs, the more willing they are to take a little more risk, hence, why lottery sales always go up in a recession.
It is all about human nature, greed is inherent in us all to some extent, so I guess when you combine greed and need, it works. This is not for everyone, but what is, I just had to prove to myself it wouldn't work. lol Well, I researched them all as suggested, and came to the same conclusion as doc did, the 1-UP deals were a rip off in comparison to his system. For those who don't know what a 1-UP is, it is when you have to give up your first gift to your sponsor. Sucks, for I know in all businesses, the sooner you can get a new person into profit, the better chance they won't give up and quit in three months like most do in MLM industry.
When your new people get paid, they stick with it, and like all businesses, it is all about sticking to it. You quit, you lose, simple as that. Same is true with gifting, you quit, you lose, simple. This system works, and this is why as I see it. No BS, you say it like it is, people are free to make their own decisions in life, you buy a lotto ticket, or visit casino, you know you are probably going to lose money, but you do it anyway because it is fun to think of the potential if you did win. lol
I look at gifting the same way, and I say it like it is and no one can blame anyone if they don't make a fortune, but if they stick with it for more than a month, they have a lot better odds than with lottery or gambling, unless you are real lucky. Again, this is not for everyone, in fact, it is not for most, but there are a lot of people who are working it, and I am glad I had a friend who way.
Warning, there are seven main variations that I researched, and most are 1-UP, or you have to pay monthly fees to access system, or you have to give up your fifth gift, not the first, so you have to do your due diligence to find the best system which will offer you the best odds of success. If you have to give up your first gift, and when you do, your sponsor vanishes since you are no longer going to make him or her money, you lose. Why, because you want someone who will not only be your sponsor and mentor, but also a friend forever. Why, because if you choose the right system, your mentor gets an override on each of your gifts, just like with all the two tier affiliate programs out there on market. This is a critical difference between all seven gifting variations I researched, so avoid 1-UP and you will have a long term mentor to insure your success beyond your first gift you receive.
I can't explain why it works, other than the recession and that people are more and more fed up with MLM deals which due to attrition, kill off all motivation to continue working it. Nothing is more frustrating than putting in years of work only to see it all go down the drain because of attrition as people quit over and over again. One gift and they never quit, and if you follow system and training, you will see results, and because of overrides, it will become sustained perpetual income as many many people are seeing. Doc's mentor has been at it for over four years, but don't make the mistake most make, don't go blabbing about how much you are making, this is called inducement, and this is illegal in all MLM's or similar businesses.
Oh well, just wanted to ad my two cents on issue of gifting. It takes a lot of research to determine if this is for you or not. As I mentioned, I never thought I would consider gifting, but wow, has it come a long way with internet. I accept international currencies which I would rather receive than U.S. dollars these days, so with six different countries currencies to date, I make it a game, see if I can collect notes from all over the world. lol Again, in closing, it can be considered illegal, just as most MLM's can, but because this is private transaction, no company who received all the money like ASD did, you will never be a target of over regulations as I see it. When U.S. Justice smelled a $100M with ASD, so why do you think they were target and seized all their funds and assets, because they can, and it is up to ASD to prove they were innocent, and we all know this won't happen in the end. In the case of HYIP's, we all know who ends up with all the money in those, so this is about as risk free as it gets in my experience, but I still call it a gamble, and not guaranteed, but it sure is fun. lol
Good luck to all,
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#29 · Posted: 2 Feb 2009 08:03
Cash Gifting by all means is not illegal. Not by itself, at least. If it would have been, the Authorities would have prosecuted ALL the people in the act of gifting. The reason why people say it is illegal, is simply from their own experience with gifting, where they got scammed. This is one very confusion many people like to make. SCAM does not mean ILLEGAL. In other words, it is not THE INDUSTRY OF GIFTING by itself that is giving Cash Gifting a bad name, but it is INDIVIDUAL/ self standing ENTITIES that SCAM people. Get that?
The reason why people go to jail, and the reason why Cash Gifting as the industry is so crippled with negativity, is because people are following in scam cash gifting programs . . . That is over 90% of them. Yes, that is right. Over 90% of all the cash gifting programs are going to risk you to go to jail. Why? Gifting money through mail/ via courier is in utter clash with the Law and USPS regulations.
1 If you send money like this you are acting against USPS regulations and if found out, you could get prosecuted. This is why these scam companies would ask you to HIDE the money in a magazine.
2 If you would send money via courier/ mail, the Law will see you as someone that is busy with an illegal act and committing crime;
3 You are ignoring the guidelines against Cash Gifting;
4 You could and will be prosecuted and charged for TAX OVATION;
As this is the only way Government will interpret it. You DO NOT want to pay taxes, just like these scam cash gifting programs would give false information about Cash Gifts that is tax-free.
Any money received above $500 per month, is obliged to record it for tax purposes. Believe me, even if you only receive/ earn any money, and it is even just $500, you must record your earnings.
This is the only reason why people go to jail for cash gifting, except for the people who's intention was to scam people in the first place. That is called organized crime.
cash Gifting is perfectly normal, and there are real cash gifting programs out there (even if they are only a hand full from the thousands). These are all internet based, or ones that let you receive your gifts through online processor accounts like Paypal and Alertpay. Although Paypal does not support network marketing or similar schemes, no longer.
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#30 · Posted: 2 Feb 2009 21:48 · Edited by: WARRANTIES4LESS
Interesting,
Sorry, but you are absolutely wrong, there is no stated law against receiving or sending cash though the mail, as long as you report it to I.R.S. and it is legal transfer if you are in U.S. Where is the law that says receiving cash is illegal according to your information?
If anyone is saying not to report it as legal gifts, then yes, this would be illegal. I can pay anyone I want up to $10,000.00 without filing tax disclosure form, and USPS allows up to $25,000.00 insured , so you can send more, but you can only insure up to $25,000.00 in cash and it is totally legal.
Trying to indicate sending cash through USPS or FedEx is illegal is totally incorrect, so let us not state misinformation on gifting, do your own due diligence and don't believe the promoters of your gifting program as if all the others are illegal, this is wrong way to promote your program. Misinformation in any form hurts the industry, so don't spread lies you are told to try an make your program look more legal accepting Alerypay or whatever. It all comes down to reporting it to I.R.S., nothing else, end of story.
As to gifting being a scam, not even close, as to sending money to a stranger, yes, there is some risk, and in some programs, like the 1-UP, your sponsor/mentor is long gone after you pass up your first gift, and this could be called a scam if you only generated one gift from your efforts, so some have called this system a scam, but not really. I prefer the zero-UP plan, and one which shares all gifts with your sponsor/mentor, this insures a long term friendship develops which is a much more safe system for everyone. Who would be crazy enough to scam anyone, it would be stupid to do so, and impossible because everyone would know immediately. We use a check verifty system from two parties, sponsor/mentor and then their sponsor/mentor for absolute protection against scammers.
Simply put, you must be new to gifting and believe the lies you are being told by your sponsor, and this is sad situation, so my best advice to you is to do some more research. Check USPS site for starters, or check Snope to verify what I have said is true, but please don't spread more misinformation about gifting.
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#31 · Posted: 3 Feb 2009 04:54 · Edited by: cashgiftingnerd
Very interesting reply Warranties4less,
You are right that reporting all the cash you receive to the IRS, but you should always REMEMBER that gifting money through mail/ via courier is a far bigger risk to take for any individual. For example: Lets say you are successful in your cash gifting venture and you are receiving boatloads of cash at your door step . . . Mmmmmm. This would logically mean that the Fedex guy would stop by at your house (with the FEDEX van by the way). Don't you think people will become aware of this van that stops by at a person's house so frequently? Don't you think that THE WRONG PEOPLE could get sniff in the nose that you are receiving money at your house very often? What do you think will happen?
You see: this is not just ONLY about the fact whether it would be legal or illegal to receive cash through courier, but weighing up the consequences. Your life could literally be at stake.
WARRANTIES4LESS: Where is the law that says receiving cash is illegal according to your information?
Who said anything about sending CASH through mail. I specifically talked about GIFTING cash as a Cash Gifter, and not SENDING cash as an individual.
To just back up that what I have said on earlier: GIFTING money through mail is not supported by USPS. SENDING money is, and yes. You can send money of large sums to someone else through the mail. Get that?
GIFTING money and SENDING money, is two different things here. Sending money through mail, a person would be doing very very seldom. Gifting is seen by USPS that you are "engaged in conducting a lottery, gift enterprise, or scheme for the distribution of money". This is NOT ACCEPTABLE and upon suspect of this, the money will be send back to the sender. Here is the link to back up on what I am talking about, right here: Sending money through mail/via courier as a Cash Gifter is not alright.
Upon suspect of someone who do this very often . . . You can simply be reported to the authorities by USPS. As simple as that.
If it would have been legal to send GIFTS through the mail/ via courier, people would have definitely not hide it in magazines. Hiding money in magazines should already put sniff in ones nose of a fraudulent smell.
And lastly, I am not trying to make any cash gifting program better here. If you have not noticed, I am not mentioning ANY cash gifting program in my previous post. So how can you say I am trying to make my cash gifting program "more legal" by saying that the cash gifts are received through Alertpay? You have obviously visited my lens about the program I promote, trough the link at the bottom of my post, yes. But even there I only refer to it HOW MUCH SAFER it is to gift through an online processor versus gifting money through mail.
Any logic person that can think a bit harder, will realize that it would be very NOT NORMAL to receive thousands upon thousands of money NOT IN A BANK. Why shouldn't you be getting it in a bank? What is the safest option and why does a gifting program not support the safest option to the benefit of its members? Are these cash gifting programs complying to what the Law asks of them?
Logic thinking people are not dumb, Sir.
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#32 · Posted: 3 Feb 2009 10:56 · Edited by: WARRANTIES4LESS
Sorry,
Cash is cash in mail or by FedEx as gift or payment for goods and services, USPS does not ask what the cash you are sending is for, it makes no difference, so I don't know how you would make a distinction between what the cash is for when insuring it is only question, and this is capped at $25,000.00? You must insure it if you want the protection, so you are declaring value, again, nothing is asked about what the cash is for on insurance form.
As to the FedEx truck coming every day, I live in rural area, and I already get FedEx deliveries a couple times a week in my traditional businesses, so I don't see this as unusual. Again, insuring cash is what it is all about, not how many deliveries I receive a week. Are you saying FedEx man may be robbed if he comes to my house to often? Sorry, I just don't see your reasoning.
You mention putting cash in magazine, and yes, many recommend it, but is this illegal to in your opinion? What is normal or not is not in question, the only thing that is in question is whether sending cash, gifts or otherwise is illegal, which you seem to thing it is? You seem to think hiding in a magazine make cash illegal, so again, where are you getting this from, your sponsor?
Simply put, sending cash, no matter what it is for is not illegal, gifting is not illegal, just make sure you report it to I.R.S. and you are allowed to accept up to $12,000.00 per year without reporting it, anything over that, you do. You say sending cash gift is not alright? So I am open to learning, what is not alright with it, the magazine?
And as to safety which now seems to be your point, I guess you have not been around long enough to see a dozen online money exchanges go bust along with our money. Speaking of which, Paypal is about as unsecure as you can get. They can seize your funds for 180 days plus whenever they feel like it, did you know that? I can't even count all the exchange deals which are gone over past five years, or worse, set up to rip people off to begin with. What about all the hacking that goes on to peoples accounts, so are you really saying this is safer than USPS or FedEx insured?
I don't think so, but then again, this comes with years of experience using both, and as most know, USPS looses far more than FedEx ever has, so take your choice, I prefer FedEx, you prefer AlertPay, so lets leave it at that, but don't say sending cash is illegal no matter what it is for or who it is from, this is wrong.
Again, you are speaking through your sponsor, for you certainly did not research all these subjects yourself before offering your opinon. If you had, you wouldn't have posted as you did. I am open to learning, as you should be, but do your own research, don't rely on me or your sponsor, do your own due diligence.
FedEx is the safest means of transferring cash and valuables, has been for years, and never trust an online exchange, just look at eGold which gov. has actually been running for years now. I had a fraudulent chargeback on my Paypal which was over a year old, and they took my money pending bank decision, so this is safe?
Logics indeed, so I wonder how many people have had their online exchange sites hacked verses those who lost valuable documents via FedEx? Would you like to apply your logics to that question?
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#33 · Posted: 8 Mar 2009 23:05
The simple definition of the law of reciprocity states:
The world gives you, that which you give to the world.
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#34 · Posted: 13 May 2009 18:55 · Edited by: Cash Gifting
MLM PROGRAMS HAVE SCAMMED GOOD FOLKS WITH AN ALARMING 99% FAILURE RATE FOR DECADES. MODERN CASH GIFTING ACTUALLY WORKS.
BigMoneyJoe's post about cash gifting is one of the most misleading posts I have read in a very long time. It's another example of a MLM pusher slamming a simple activity that actually works.
Joe lives in a glass house yet he insists on throwing stones. Joe's industry, MLM or Network Marketing, has been scamming people with an appalling 99% failure rate for decades. This is an indisputable fact, admitted by the MLM industry itself yet Joe sits on his high horse and criticizes something that actually works.
It's laughable so let's look at the truth. The FTC blurb he cites has absolutely nothing to do with cash gifting as practiced in 2009. It refers to a gifting club in the 1990s that had a totally different structure from a modern cash gifting activity like The Peoples Program.
Let's stay with the FTC for a second. Anyone can research the massive number of complaints, warnings and blurbs found at the FTC about MLM and Network Marketing. Then check out MLM complaints and warnings found at other federal and state agencies. It's staggering.
Take just one part of the MLM industry, health related MLMs. During the past 20 years, more than 25 health related MLM companies have faced regulatory actions for false advertising, operating a pyramid scheme, or both. Although such actions might improve future behavior, they rarely provide adequate redress for victims. The number of MLM frauds known to Federal Trade Commission vastly exceeds its capacity to prosecute them on a case by case basis.
Did you hear that thud? That was BigMoneyJoe falling off his high horse.
Joe's contention that modern cash gifting is based on a pyramid structure is completely false. It in no way resembles a pyramid or ponzi scheme. It is a simple linear activity where each participant has the same ability to give and receive gifts as any other.
The person who accepted an invitation to join a cash gifting activity like The Peoples Program six months ago has no advantage whatsoever over one who accepted an invitation yesterday. Anyone can check out The Peoples Program tour and discover that this is 100% true. Joe is not telling the truth when he states otherwise.
There are a few 1up activities in cash gifting but most have a simple residual structure so one gets to keep all gifts and never has to pass up a first gift.
So why do people like Joe misstate the truth when it comes to cash gifting? We cannot know for sure but a simple check with Alexa search results offers some hints. Take any popular MLM, say Carbon Copy Pro and compare the search results from 4 years ago to today. Then do the same for a popular cash gifting activity, say The Peoples Program.
It will be glaringly obvious that MLM programs are losing prospective members to cash gifting. Perhaps MLM moonies like Joe are jealous and angry. Good folks are flocking to check out cash gifting because they want something that actually works. They do not want to be scammed by some MLM opportunity that has a 1% success rate.
BigMoneyJoe can't dispute the facts so he misdirects good people with his false and misleading criticism of a simple activity that actually does work. If a program with a 99% failure rate isn't a scam then I don't know what is.
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#35 · Posted: 14 May 2009 09:04
Cash Gifting: BigMoneyJoe can't dispute the facts so he misdirects good people with his false and misleading criticism of a simple activity that actually does work. If a program with a 99% failure rate isn't a scam then I don't know what is.
Agreed,
Bashers are unavoidable on both sides of issue. Although there are many MLM programs that are in complete compliance and have great products or services, we also know most do not earn more than they burn trying, and this is why industry has a bad reputation and people like to refer to MLM as a scam.
We know the industry has been under attack for years, and this is making it more difficult for the industry as a whole, and this is why most fail before they even begin, the negativity is widespread. I have nothing against MLM as it is a well proven documented method of distribution or products and services, but it all comes dow to value which is where most MLM's fall flat.
I won't put down MLM as I have done well over the years by being very selective, and target only recession proof businesses which do offer value, quality, exclusivity and a fair compensation plan. If you research the industry, there are many great choices, but the simple fact is, most people will not succeed in any home based business for most quit before they even start given the typical low cost of starting in most MLM programs.
As to gifting, there will always be bashers on both sides of the fence, so ignore baseless attacks or generalizations and do your own due diligence. Having been in the industry for years, I had ignored gifting for years as the word itself was always used for the old pyramid gifting CLUBS which have come and gone over past couple decades, and yes, these were illegal.
Just as MLM has been labeled as all being the same, so to has gifting, so do your research on both industries and don't listen to strangers on forums, just don't take someone elses word, pro or con, do your own research. Most forums like this can help educate you, but don't let it induce you, make your own decisions, success follows failure in every case, so don't give up before you begin in my best advice in whatever you choose. Personally, I like both for I learned long ago, you have to be well diversified to find success in the current deep recession we are all in.
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#36 · Posted: 16 May 2009 01:09
I recently joined a gifting program, and have promoted it, no one has joined yet and the program has no way to track the hits to my link. How do I know whats working or not if I see no record of my link clicks? Whats the best ways to get it all out there so i get the best responses? Thank you
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#37 · Posted: 16 May 2009 10:30
lilmama0500: I recently joined a gifting program, and have promoted it, no one has joined yet and the program has no way to track the hits to my link. How do I know whats working or not if I see no record of my link clicks? Whats the best ways to get it all out there so i get the best responses? Thank you
Good question,
Like all online ventures, it is critical to have in place a means in which you can track all your results or you will end up spinning your wheels and getting nowhere fast.
Most of the best gifting programs have tracking as part of turnkey system, so I am surprised yours does not. Most have a splash or landing page and built into it is a simple autoresponse form from which you can set tracking and see who is in your system checking it out. There are other ways to track hits, but you have to be using your own domain to do it properly. Using these cookie cutter replicated sites is not going to work for most.
Like with every business or venture online, you have to know what works and what doesn't when it comes to promoting your program or you will end up wasting time and money and likely quit. Knowing your site is getting traffic motivates you to stay with it in my experience, and this is critical since most quit before they really begin. When I see I am getting great traffic, I know the money will follow in time. Most people will procrastinate longer in a recession than in good economic times, so more patience is required, but it all comes down to hits, and if you can't see them, you are setting yourself up for failure.
Success to all,
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#38 · Posted: 1 Sep 2009 22:32
I wanted to weigh in on this topic. I myself lost my job as a GM last year in Nov. 08. I have a wife, 3 kids, and needed to generate some cash fast. I looked on line for a job, in the newspapers, etc... I live in a small town in northern, Mississppi, so Jobs were & still are really scarce. I came across an ad on craigslist, that said I could generate cash fast, and I responded to the ad. At that time, I didn't know what cash gifting was, but I liked the idea of not having to stock products, etc... I had been involved in all different kinds of mlm's and never had any success. I didn't want to go down that road again.
I decided to take the plunge, and it has been one of the best decisions I've ever made. No I haven't become super rich, and making $50,000 a month, but I can honestly say that since I've been involved with cash gifting, than I've been blessed to generate over $35,000 in a 8 months.
Cash gifting helped me through a time that I couldn't find work. It helped me provide for my family, and keep a roof over my head.
I worked cash gifting from home full time till about 4 months ago. I decided to take another GM job that came open, and work cash gifting part time. The main reason for ths was for benefits. I'm still averaging around 2 - 3k a month with my cash system.
I'm not interested in trying to convice anyone of anything, but rather share an honest story of how it helped me.
To Your Success,
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#39 · Posted: 2 Sep 2009 21:50 · Edited by: WARRANTIES4LESS
Congratulations,
Always nice to hear someone who really needed to succeed has. That is a realistic expectation, and similar to my own, so for those that promote it as a get rich quick deal, they will be dissappointed, like everything, it takes time and effort to reach your goals. What I can say is if you keep at it, your income will grow, so don't quit.
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#40 · Posted: 3 Sep 2009 09:50
Thanks Warranties4less,
I've actually lost gifts, because I won't hype it, and wont' tell people that they are going to get rich overnight. I borrowed half the money to send my 1st gift,and had no advertising budget at all. So If i can do it, anyone can!
It does take time and effort, and but it sure pay's off in the long run.
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