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#21 · Posted: 21 Sep 2007 11:31
To Whom It May Concern:
I am new � not joined Coastal as yet. I am taking my time and reviewing and learning everything I can see and listen to. A quick background on me. 30+ years in sales � direct marketing � and recruiting and training. I have lived in some very nice places � some with sand as the front yard just before the Pacific starts � one even had maids' quarters. I have rubbed shoulders and broken bread with the leaders of industry. Enough of all that, because success is only measured by the size of your deposit next month.
If I join Coastal it will be full time from day one. I am trying to get up to speed on the various "groups". Everyone refers to them as initials WCYS � BOD � CSG � etc. etc..
It is somewhat confusing. It is confusing as I cannot for the life of me see where it states that after joining that I MUST use the call center � or that I MUST do emails � or that I MUST do anything. It appears to me that I can promote my coastal business any way I see fit � so long as it is ethical and legal. Am I misguided here?
What am I missing? Why are people taking shots on how others decide to run their own business? Mostly I have just been observing and watching all the various sites people have and all the videos they have put on those sites. However, on the few times I have asked specific questions � all I get is extremely general and vague answers � when someone responds at all. (I mean MOST of the time � as there have been a select few who have been very blunt and honest)
Now people are saying that some of these groups are almost scamming people? IF they are unethical and Coastal allows it � what does that say about Coastal? I am just getting out of an industry (mortgage) that is filled with liars and crooks from the LO to the heads of a lot of the lenders. Of course there are some good people � but MANY will tell you anything � lie about other lenders practices � etc. just to get your business. 12 years of liars is enough!
If I am jumping out of the pot and into the fire � I need to know before I start spending time on a new vocation. From a new person looking in � this does not look good for someone (Jay) who I guess is on some sort of official board with Coastal to be spewing that "some" people/groups are not being honest and ethical. If that is true � who the hell are they so I can steer clear? And as mentioned, if Coastal allows that type of activity � maybe I should steer clear of Coastal?
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#22 · Posted: 21 Sep 2007 11:35
Quoting: wapahm I believe people researching the Coastal Opportunity in this forum can get a good idea of the type of director they will be working with by reading what members post.
Cindy,
I agree! And you can also make this place just another pitch zone.
If it's something that helps everyone...I'm game. But, if it's a sales pitch - let's raise the bar here and make it a safe zone.
If people don't like that I point out sales pitches, or share my experience with things. Hey...so be it. I love making friends, but some debate between friends is health for a relationship. I'm not a "It's my way or the highway" kind of guy....but a sales pitch is a sales pitch.
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#23 · Posted: 21 Sep 2007 11:47
but a sales pitch is a sales pitch
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Yep - just like preachers on Sunday AM - the president at a press conference - every teacher in the world - all pressmen
And in here I assume we are all adults and do not need protection form sales pitches. Hell everyone with a site go to deal under their name is advertising.
Sorry - I just do not like people that take cheap shots - and I don't know anyone here - nor am I even a member of Coastal - I should not even be spending this negative time writing this.
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#24 · Posted: 21 Sep 2007 11:57
Jay,
This is NOT an "Official Coastal Forum." This is a place that Vishal has provided for us and we have been using it for a nice long time just fine. If this was a forum that was administrated by the COA system then I would say, Fine, nobody mentions teams. This is a VERY SAFE ZONE for people wanting to know more about Coastal. People want to know more about our different teams and how we market. THAT IS WHY THEY COME HERE!
Quoting: jnapier Harold I was at that seminar and heard Hoyt speak, were you there??
Ahh, the same ol condescending Jay. No, I wasn't there. Wish I could have been, though.
Quoting: jnapier I might add that since Hoyt spoke there have been changes to the call center that have nothing to do with Coastal....so I can't say that the call center is looked at the same way that it was.
Actually, the call center just keeps getting more and more respect from Al and others in Coastal leadership. This was mentioned after the last seminar in Nashville. The "Changes" you are talking about is simply an entry level program that allows people who might not have level 1 start up money available the chance to get into the call center family for $795. They get the website and learn how to market COASTAL until they get enough money to move up to level 1. They make $300 commissions on any sale they make no matter what it is and they are promoting COASTAL. I imagine the BOD probably likes that idea.
Quoting: jnapier If the call center was such a great idea, don't you think it would become an endorsed marketing tool?
If someone on the BOD thought it up it probably would be, but they didn't. Plus, it's obvious that the BOD doesn't want to spend money on having an office that is used to take phone calls for any reason because they want us to handle customer service so I'm sure that's why they will never start up a call center. Things are going just fine for them the way they are.
Quoting: jnapier When I said honest and ethical, I was not refering to a group, but to the post itself. Your not the only one either....there's another person here who I've just asked to eliminate the sales pitch.
The implication was obvious, Jay. As far as self promotion, you are the king of that on this forum. You have mentioned more time than I can count about how ALL new prospects should ONLY join with a level 3 member who has years of experience and then you point out that you fit that description. You are here to make sales, plain and simple. We all want to make sales but you feel you have to degrade everyone else to get them. I just don't get it.
Quoting: jnapier One of the reasons there's a non-compete agreement at Official Coastal Events is to create a SAFE ZONE for our membership. A place where they can go to learn, without a sales pitch. I'm sure you understand why I'm working to make this forum a Safe Zone.
What you are doing is trying to make this a safe zone for your chosen system and noone elses. I want this to be a place for all of us. All of our teams are worth talking about and we have been doing it for over a year now without any problems until you and a couple of others ,who aren't here at the moment , decided to come in and start trashing everybody's elses team. NOONE else who uses the COA system has come in here and started criticizing all other teams like you did. It's obvious to everyone what you are doing.
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#25 · Posted: 21 Sep 2007 11:58
Quoting: asebf I am new � not joined Coastal as yet. I am taking my time and reviewing and learning everything I can see and listen to. A quick background on me. 30+ years in sales � direct marketing � and recruiting and training. I have lived in some very nice places � some with sand as the front yard just before the Pacific starts � one even had maids' quarters. I have rubbed shoulders and broken bread with the leaders of industry. Enough of all that, because success is only measured by the size of your deposit next month.
Bob, Wecome to the Forum. There is a wealth of information here and I hope you can learn from it.
If I join Coastal it will be full time from day one. I am trying to get up to speed on the various "groups". Everyone refers to them as initials WCYS � BOD � CSG � etc. etc..
WCYS = We Close Your Sales, also know as the Coastal Sales Center
BOD = Board of Director. Coastal is run by a Board of Directors and this refers to them or/ or the official systems and tools endorsed by the Coastal Vacations Board of Directors
CSG = Coastal Synergy Group
It is somewhat confusing. It is confusing as I cannot for the life of me see where it states that after joining that I MUST use the call center � or that I MUST do emails � or that I MUST do anything. It appears to me that I can promote my coastal business any way I see fit � so long as it is ethical and legal. Am I misguided here?
Bob, it is your own business. You can market any way you want. There are official tools and trainings to assist you in that area. Where it can get confusing is when other groups and trainings have come about that are a part of the non-BOD systems and trainings. Yes, there's something to learn from everywhere, but some have gone as far as to say you can do nothing...and do well and others have almost made it a spiritual event to be in Coastal....Either way. Coastal is a great business and you should look for a group that will work well for you.
What am I missing? Why are people taking shots on how others decide to run their own business? Mostly I have just been observing and watching all the various sites people have and all the videos they have put on those sites. However, on the few times I have asked specific questions � all I get is extremely general and vague answers � when someone responds at all. (I mean MOST of the time � as there have been a select few who have been very blunt and honest)
Since you've mentioned you were in the mortgage business I'm sure you can share a story or two about different companies that stretch the truth and only focus on the positve. I had a mortgage issue a few years ago myself. I bought this house about 2 years ago and we told the broker what we were looking for - fixed mortgage. We were surprised at closing that we had an adjustable mortgage. I'm sure you've heard about this and some are now just learning what this means to their house payment.
Coastal also has a few like this, but I'm not naming names.
Now people are saying that some of these groups are almost scamming people? IF they are unethical and Coastal allows it � what does that say about Coastal? I am just getting out of an industry (mortgage) that is filled with liars and crooks from the LO to the heads of a lot of the lenders. Of course there are some good people � but MANY will tell you anything � lie about other lenders practices � etc. just to get your business. 12 years of liars is enough!
Bob...I'm going to be forward with you. Yes, some are almost scamming people. You've got to realize that these groups are for profit and are selling you a service. Some have made it a BIG opportunity to sell, others have the heart of a teach and are ALSO selling Coastal Membership like you are.
I can honestly say that everyone here seems to be good people, so I think no matter which way you go, you can't go wrong with someone from the forum. Know that the debate is not about a system or group, but about a Safe Zone where someone like yourself can learn WITHOUT the sales pitch.
If I am jumping out of the pot and into the fire � I need to know before I start spending time on a new vocation. From a new person looking in � this does not look good for someone (Jay) who I guess is on some sort of official board with Coastal to be spewing that "some" people/groups are not being honest and ethical. If that is true � who the hell are they so I can steer clear? And as mentioned, if Coastal allows that type of activity � maybe I should steer clear of Coastal?
Bob, Coastal is a great opportunity. It allows me to sit at home...all day long and enjoy LIFE! You can't go wrong with Coastal. I've tried to point out the steer clear from groups here as have others, but if you asked me how I feel about Harold...he's not a steer clear guy. I've simply pointed out something about his post that some find offensive....which is ok, but let's face it. If all you see is the same old stuff....your not going to learn anything.
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#26 · Posted: 21 Sep 2007 12:05
Wow what is going on here? I first have to say I agree with Bob. Many that imply things about different groups are constantly hurting this business. Coastal was set up to be YOUR OWN BUSINESS. With that everyone will have their own way of operating it. In the past I was part of the CSG and they did their best to not promote the other groups. Well that makes sense. They are in business and in competition for clients with the other groups. But this is America and last I checked competition is good.
It also has been brought up on a few post about sales pitches. I have no problem with them at all. I have been pitched by numerous people in this forum about their opportunities. Thats life. If you dont want to buy something then just pass it by. l will say this, anyone pitching an idea then contact me and lets make a plan to see if we can both make money with it. Im an entrepreneur and always looking for a good idea.
Competition is good. My wife and I are successful because we believe in ourselves. There is no one out there that can offer their service the way we do (even if we are in the same opportunity) because they arent us. Many of you have seen THE SECRET. It talks about there being abundance for us all. Well I learned that secret in the practice of my faith. Why dont we either all follow our faith or the teachings of THE SECRET and act accordingly. That also means not feeding into the negative. But that doesnt mean you are exempt from standing up for the truth, just do it in a positive manner. You do get more bees with honey than vinegar.
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#27 · Posted: 21 Sep 2007 12:08
Quoting: asebf To Whom It May Concern: I am new � not joined Coastal as yet. I am taking my time and reviewing and learning everything I can see and listen to. A quick background on me. 30+ years in sales � direct marketing � and recruiting and training. I have lived in some very nice places � some with sand as the front yard just before the Pacific starts � one even had maids' quarters. I have rubbed shoulders and broken bread with the leaders of industry. Enough of all that, because success is only measured by the size of your deposit next month. If I join Coastal it will be full time from day one. I am trying to get up to speed on the various "groups". Everyone refers to them as initials WCYS � BOD � CSG � etc. etc.. It is somewhat confusing. It is confusing as I cannot for the life of me see where it states that after joining that I MUST use the call center � or that I MUST do emails � or that I MUST do anything. It appears to me that I can promote my coastal business any way I see fit � so long as it is ethical and legal. Am I misguided here? What am I missing? Why are people taking shots on how others decide to run their own business? Mostly I have just been observing and watching all the various sites people have and all the videos they have put on those sites. However, on the few times I have asked specific questions � all I get is extremely general and vague answers � when someone responds at all. (I mean MOST of the time � as there have been a select few who have been very blunt and honest) Now people are saying that some of these groups are almost scamming people? IF they are unethical and Coastal allows it � what does that say about Coastal? I am just getting out of an industry (mortgage) that is filled with liars and crooks from the LO to the heads of a lot of the lenders. Of course there are some good people � but MANY will tell you anything � lie about other lenders practices � etc. just to get your business. 12 years of liars is enough! If I am jumping out of the pot and into the fire � I need to know before I start spending time on a new vocation. From a new person looking in � this does not look good for someone (Jay) who I guess is on some sort of official board with Coastal to be spewing that "some" people/groups are not being honest and ethical. If that is true � who the hell are they so I can steer clear? And as mentioned, if Coastal allows that type of activity � maybe I should steer clear of Coastal? __________________ Bob
Hi Bob and Welcome.
It is great that you are doing your research.
There are many "groups" within the Coastal Vacations organization such as We Close Your Sales (WCYS which is a call center), CSG (Coastal Synergy Group), DFI (Decide Freedom International), etc etc..... The BOD (Board of Directors) has the only "approved/official" system and training this does not say the others are right or wrong.
I feel that even if you choose one of the other systems/groups you should still stay plugged into the Official system and training. You will get the latest updates and training as soon as it becomes available. You will also be taught and trained as the BOD has set forth.
You can still market and run your business as you see fit.
I switched to the Official system and training for several reasons and I can tell you I have more product knowledge since doing so. I also like the fact that they offer 4 websites and all 4 are not [i][/i]focused on recruiting. I wanted a website I could use to market to businesses for business incentives as well as the general public for retail sales. With your sales background that may be a plus for you.
HTH and again Welcome,
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#28 · Posted: 21 Sep 2007 12:31
You know Harold, I asked you if you were at the event Hoyt spoke at because I was wondering if I'd met you. But you chose to see it as condescending.
I meet alot of Coastal Directors both by phone and at live events. I ALWAYS enjoy meeting Coastal people.
You know, I think the $795 price point is great for the call center as the call center only had a $1995 price point product before. The Coastal Vacations Level 1 Membership does sell for $1295.
The only reference to the call center at the Nashville event was a reference to any group that people are a part of and went something like this: If your a part of a group and it's working for you, continue doing what your doing.
The Board of Directors is open to any tool that can be proven. When proven, it's rolled out. But, I think the issue is with the $700 premium to be a part of the call center. I think if that didn't exist - it might have been considered.
I believe there are ways to differenciate the successful from the not so successful. People want to work with people who are successful and can show them how to live their dreams...no matter what they are.
I've learned this business by being a constant learner and by investing heavily in my education.
Harold, we're just going to have to agree to disagree.
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#29 · Posted: 21 Sep 2007 14:11
Yes, Jay, we definately disagree. The call center wouldn't exist without the $700 added to the $1,295. You have to pay the people making the sales and pay for the phones and offices and everything else. It's just part of doing business and, since I can offer someone a choice of having or not having the call center and still have the ability to use all of the official Coastal stuff then I think I have a great combination.
Quoting: jnapier If your a part of a group and it's working for you, continue doing what your doing.
Al Romine, Chairman of the BOD, said this on the video I spoke about. I think those are good words to live by.
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#30 · Posted: 21 Sep 2007 14:14
Jay typed: People want to work with people who are successful and can show them how to live their dreams...no matter what they are.
I've learned this business by being a constant learner and by investing heavily in my education.
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I do not have a dog in this fight, as is said round here - but Jay - you seem to be slamming people for promoting themselves - I don't get it - Is not your words above pretty much the same thing?
Probably better to let this subject just die - because, like farmers, all the people here are pretty stubborn it seems.
Then again - this is a place for all opinions eh? This is not an official Coastal site I understand - so maybe letting everyone blast away is good for new people to read and it will help them decide who is real and who is memorex.
I had to learn long ago that you do not have to like someone to do business with them - but it sure is nice when it happens.
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#31 · Posted: 21 Sep 2007 14:27
Ahh a voice of reason.
This thread started off discussing Live Dials with Scot and has turned into a mud-slinging event. Now that we all know that Jay doesn't like the concept of the Call Center we will all sleep better at night.
I for one sleep better knowing that the dedicated staff at the Call Center are there for me as well as other Coastal Directors who have chosen to use as well as offer this to prospective members of Coastal Vacations.
Life is all about choices, I have chosen to use the call center as well as promote it. I also offer prospects the traditional Coastal model and let them make that choice.
I for one agree with Bob, lets put this dead dog to bed.
Enjoy your weekend
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#32 · Posted: 21 Sep 2007 15:26
Hi All,
Just wanted to drop by and say hi!
I have been traveling so much I have not been here so much.
This is a Coastal Vacations Club Forum, where all members of all systems can talk about, bash or not bash, encourage and or not encourage and sell their systems as they see fit.
There are hardly any rules here, and that could be good or bad. As Harold said, if this was a BOD only forum to talk about BOD issues, that would govern new rules and compliance per their member terms.
Trying to guess meanings and intentions in typed words is very hard and in forums many people say things in print that they in their head thought was clear and is what it was supposed to be, but it came out weird or off in the printed version and it makes people guess the intentions behind what was spoken. It happens.
You can see patterns in people's style over time, and through that, feel safe to make assumptions about what people say, but you could be wrong when you assume too.
Communication can be hard, so we all just keep dialoguing, and I think everyone here is gonna get a long just fine.
But, here's the deal, there is no boss on this forum. Jay wants it to be no talking recruiting forum. That's why I came here. Heck, Harold pulled in $20k off this forum. I would like some of that action too! .
There are suggestions, tips, hints, helps and there is also competition among us here.
Everyone who is in this forum is a competitor to me and to each other. I don't look at competition or competitors a bad, just different. I don't look at other people's systems or tools as bad, just different strokes for different folks.
Coastal is like Soda Pop, or Coke if you live in other parts of the USA.... Here is how.
There is Pepsi and Coke, both are cola, both do the same thing, refresh thrist and give you sugar highs, some prefer one or the other, but they both do the same thing.
Then there are off cola flavors like Vanilla or Cherry, which are liked by some but creates disgust by others to even think about putting that in their mouths. But it works for those who like the specialized niched Cola, so they go for it.
I say... PITCH AWAY....
I say... if you are gonna post here, be prepared to back up what you say, and if you make a mistake or speak out and hurt someone you make it right.
I say, share all your opinions and if you want to use this forum to recruit new people, so be it.
If you want to use this forum to keep the Coastal army abreast of the Official happenings so others can learn from it, coolio, keep sharing official BOD info so those who cannot get it, get some help.
I see many truths in how Harold feels and how Jay feels, good on ya both for just sharing opinions. If you all gotta beef, then deal with it outside of here, give a call to eachother over the phone and make sure you are all clear on stuff and on the same pages.
Any one can call me with concerns or help, I do my best to see what I can offer. I'd love to take some new people looking for a great biz opp into a plan with Coastal that I know works, as long as you work.
For the record, Scot and Hoyt sat down, talked about Call Center being endorsed by Coastal, and it is not a fit for what the board is looking for in a system. It is not compatible so, it won't be an official coastal tool.
Does not mean that it is a bad thing.
I think all the other groups have approached the BOD to get favors and endorsements, but in the end, there was never a way to make it a match or to make it fit. Certain people and groups think they can do a better job with trainings and online systems, so new sites and groups cropped up to compensate for what the BOD might have been lacking, some years ago (Coastal product laying on someone's shag run as a product shot), but that is all fixed now, as the BOD have a solid online marketing system finally. Plus great tools any one in Coastal can plug into at officialcoastaltraining dot come..
But certain people in the BOD don't like the call center or the people running it. The deliberately lie to people and proscpects when asked about it and create fear and conjecture, and that is because of competition. They want the sale. I don't think that is fair. I think the BOD should get paid big money to NOT be in Coastal, so they don't have to do that... but I don't think that will happen in my lifetime...
Heck, I have been passed over continuously by the BOD to acknowledge my success and contributions to Coastal, no one has invited me to speak on BOD calls, no one has given me a pin or let me serve on leadership council when I have told them I would for years, but they don't care. So anyways I have lots to offer people in Coastal, and I'll just do it my way, and serve those in my own system and I am cool with that and that's the way the cookie crumbles.
If any of you got issues with eachother best thing to do for all of us is leave that stuff off the forum and deal with it over the phone, so the forum can work to show people the rainbow of opportunities within Coastal.
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#33 · Posted: 21 Sep 2007 15:51
Jeff wrote: If any of you got issues with each other best thing to do for all of us is leave that stuff off the forum and deal with it over the phone, so the forum can work to show people the rainbow of opportunities within Coastal
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Good to hear - that's how it works in the real time workplace. You do not yell and scream at each other in the open hallway for all to hear. Can you imagine 2 car salesman doing this on the showroom floor?
Thanks Jeff - Maybe this crap will subside - How am I to recruit people and then have them come here and see all this strife? For goodness sakes it is great to disagree - that is healthy - but when it gets to accusations and creating doubts subtly - that only hurts Coastal in general.
An example: You are doing Email? Don't you know Email marketing is dead? You are not doing your team any favors by teaching that!!!
2: You are doing Email? Boy, I need to get inside what you are doing as my email program is not doing so well right now.
Why call the email user a liar or a fool - just because you cannot make it work - does not mean he/she is not making it work eh?
As Jeff said -
ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#34 · Posted: 21 Sep 2007 17:01 · Edited by: jnapier
I personally think it would be a better forum if people would not make it an advertising forum. Look at MySpace as an example. Great place to meet people, but there's so much spam that few monitor their inbox and the like. That's what happened to email as well....too much spam and BOOM...people quit reading their email.
I'll go with the flow, if people want to make it a spam forum...cool with me, but my vote is to keep the content as a safe zone.
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#35 · Posted: 21 Sep 2007 17:55
Work at Home Forum
Welcome to the Work at Home Forum, a friendly online community of those who work from home. To post new topics or to reply to messages, you need to register first. Before posting, please browse through the forum for some time to get an idea of posts made here. Spam, self-promotional posts, are not tolerated in any way here. Thank you for keeping this forum a friendly and spam-free place.
Per Vishal at top of the forum.
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#36 · Posted: 22 Sep 2007 17:28
Hi Everyone!
I saw the 'live leads' post and wanted to see what was on it - wow - kinda got off the subject, didn't we
I just wanted to say that I was on some of the live dials that were done by a variety of leaders on the BOD earlier this week and I picked up several huge nuggets to use in my business!
Thanks to all you leaders that stepped up to do those!I also really like Scotts dials and sometimes I listen in simply to snatch up some of his posture but it was awesome to hear some of the others and how they do it...
We are in the most awesome business - there is way too much good going on for us to be focusing on the negative!!
Have a great weekend ya'll!
~Viola
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