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# Posted: 4 Aug 2005 15:29 · Edited by: coreyjroman
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Multi Level Marketing by Definition:
Multilevel Marketing, or MLM, is a system for selling goods or services through a network of distributors.
The typical Multilevel Marketing program works through sales and recruitment. You are invited to become a distributor, sometimes through another distributor of the Multilevel Marketing company's products and sometimes through a generally advertised meeting.
If you choose to become a distributor with the Multilevel Marketing company, you'll earn money both through the sales of the MLM's products and through recruiting other distributors, by receiving a portion of the income these distributors generate.
The distributors that you sign up with your Multilevel Marketing plan are called your downline. The distributor that originally recruited you is called your upline. Often he or she will give you some help getting started, including training.
Multilevel Marketing plans are legal. However, if you are considering becoming part of an MLM company, you need to investigate the opportunity thoroughly, just as you would with any other proposed business venture.
Not all Multilevel Marketing plans are created equal. Successful well-known MLM businesses include Mary Kay Cosmetics, Avon, and Cognigen.
Also Known As: MLM, Network Marketing.
Alternate Spellings: Multi-level marketing.
Examples: Because Penny worked really hard and truly believed in the product line, she was a very successful Multilevel Marketing distributor.
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# Posted: 4 Aug 2005 15:35 · Edited by: coreyjroman
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MLM and Pyramid Schemes Can Be Very Similar
Considering an MLM opportunity? Be careful. It may well be a legitimate MLM business. Or it may be a pyramid scheme.
MLM (multilevel marketing) is an attractive business proposition to many people. MLM offers the opportunity to become involved in a system for distributing products to consumers. Unlike the person starting a business from scratch, the MLM participant has the support of a MLM company that supplies the products and sometimes offers training as well.
As an MLM participant, you make your money by selling the MLM products to other MLM participants. If they're not already a member of your MLM company, you sign them up. Besides earning money off your own sales, you also earn a percentage of the income generated by the distributors that you've brought into the MLM plan (your downline). Sounds good, doesn't it? And being part of a well-run MLM business can be a lot like being a member of a large extended family.
Unfortunately,not every MLM opportunity is a legitimate business opportunity. Many pyramid schemes, frauds designed to part the unwary from their money, are disguised as MLM opportunities.
Like MLM, pyramid schemes depend on recruiting people to become distributors of a product or service. Like MLM, the pyramid scheme offers the opportunity to make money by signing up more recruits and by accomplishing certain levels of achievement. And the thing to look out for the most is realizing that you can make good money on a pyramid scheme! But then you may be sued or even arrested for your invovlement when it falls and you will not be given any benefit of the doubt by playing dumb either! "I did not know it was a scam!" does not keep you from the penalties of the law.
The big difference between MLM and pyramid schemes is that MLM is legal and places more weight on the products and services it offers and pyramid schemes Want lots of money and places almost no focus on product or service making unusual claims of instant wealth and oh yeah... they aren't legal. But it can be very difficult for the person looking for a business opportunity to tell the difference between a legitimate MLM opportunity and a pyramid scheme at a glance. How do you tell whether it's a legitimate business opportunity or a scam? The big difference between MLM and a pyramid scheme is in the business' operations. The entire purpose of a pyramid scheme is to get your money and then use you to recruit other suckers (ahem - distributors). The entire purpose of MLM is to move product. The theory behind MLM is that the larger the network of distributors, the more product the business will be able to sell.
Use these questions as an acid test if you're in the least doubt as to whether the opportunity you're considering is MLM or a pyramid scheme:
1) Are you required to "invest" a large amount of money up front to become a distributor? This investment request may be disguised as an inventory charge. Legitimate MLM businesses do NOT require large start up costs.
2) If you do have to pay for inventory, will the company buy back unsold inventory? Legitimate MLM companies will offer and stick to inventory buy-backs for at least 80% of what you paid.
3) Is there any mention of or attention paid to a market for the product or service? MLM depends on establishing a market for the company's products.
4) Is there more emphasis on recruitment than on selling the product or service? Remember, the difference between MLM and a pyramid scheme is in the focus. The pyramid scheme focuses on fast profits from signing people up and getting their money. If recruitment seems to be the focus of the plan, run. These next two questions will help you determine what the focus of the company is:
a) Is the plan designed so that you make more money by recruiting new members rather than through sales that you make yourself?
b) Are you offered commissions for recruiting new members?
Bonuses for promotions from within your downline is normal in MLM. Just getting money for signing up new members is not that common. Unless of course the requirement for joining is to purchase a product or service in which case you would receive a bonus for signing up a new member. See... It can be confusing. So look for what I call the 3 alarms:
1) Focus is primarily on the oppotunity not the products and services
2) Large start-up fee with no tangible cost reasoning
3) Claims of instant wealth or no effort riches... i.e.; "Make 10,000 dollars in as little as 10 days!" or Testimonial claims; "I made 83,000 dollars in my first week doing this and you can too!"
If any of these 3 things is advertised in the opportunity... it is a scam and as always, when you're investigating a potential business opportunity, you'll want to gather all the information you can about the MLM company's products and operations.
Get (and read) written copies of the company's sales literature, business plan and/or marketing plan. Talk to other people who have experience with the MLM company and the products, to determine whether the products are actually being sold and if they are of high quality. Check with the Better Business Bureau to see if there have been any complaints about the company.Though the Better Business Bureau is not really an effective tool in recognizing scams people still love posting their complaints bout organizations there. And listen carefully when you're at that MLM recruitment meeting. Inflated claims for the amazing amounts of money you're going to make should set your alarm bells ringing.
Being part of a successful MLM company can be both profitable and fun, but unfortunately, some purported MLM opportunities are actually pyramid schemes designed to flatten both your wallet and your dream of running a business.
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# Posted: 5 Aug 2005 00:44
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One myth about MLMs is that they are too hard or too complicated. A true MLM is structured to provide support from many different angles while giving you the tools necessary to start your own business. The reason why they claim you are starting your own business is in 4 parts:
1) In order to maintain a legal and legitimate opportunity the organization can not allow you to say that you are employed by them. They thereby give you the right to represent the products and services that they represent as a dba or in layman's terms ... they encourage you to create your own business name and you can utilize their marketing tools to make it look more like the products and/or services are coming directly from your company.
2)They only offer guidance and support. No one will yell at you or pressure you into doing anything in a true MLM. You really are your own boss and your success is dependant on you and what you choose to do with the business opportunity.
3)In a true MLM as in local businesses you will never be dropped out of a program because of inactivity though in local business inactivity can kill it in an MLM inactivity just lengthens the time it takes to become successful. You decide when and if things are going to be done... and of course at any time you can close the business.
4)If you become stable and are making a lot of money... you can hire people to distribute goods or services that do not want to be a part of the organization. You will pay them out of your pocket knowing that for instance; An experienced salesman who is leary of MLMs can still be of great benefit to your company and strengthen it by using his abilities in what he feels is a more comfortable environment than being directly involved. But anyone who sees your successes will at this point want to know more about being directly involved.
There is nothing hard about a truly good MLM. People above you who are... and want to be more successful are always there to help... and the corporate foundation of an MLM will also help any time it is needed in a true and good MLM. Do your homework and if you find a good one... take your time... relax and enjoy yourself. MLMs take time to make a good profit. Don't ever quit a full time job if you need the income to get into MLM unless you have experience or you are 100% sure that the products and services the MLM provides are so desired or needed that they sell themselves.
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# Posted: 5 Aug 2005 02:44
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Great stuff Corey!
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# Posted: 10 Aug 2005 18:51
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The Legal Structure of Multi-Level Marketing
Some MLM companies operate under their own set of guidelines which come in every possible variety imaginable. The landmark legal case for the industry is the 1979 Federal Trade Commission ruling on Amway which found that although Amway had at one time engaged in "deceptive practices", as long as profits were made through the sale of product and commisions paid to representatives of the organization, the company could continue to operate within the law. They restructured and conformed to a more legal and ethical point of business and continue to be a great succes today.
For MLM businesses to operate legally, they must meet the following criteria:
1. The company brings a product or service to the marketplace that is (a) retailable and (b) being retailed;
2. The product or service reaches the end user through direct sales representatives (independent contractors), rather than through traditional retail establishments;
3. The company's compensation plan (a) is designed to reward representatives for the sales of the product or service they make, and (b) includes a feature that additionally rewards a representative who introduces an additional representative to the company, based on the sales volume of the second representative.
A business that has all these components except for 3 (b) is a single-level direct selling company. 3 (b) is what makes it an MLM. All of the criteria above must be met for the MLM business to be legal. Any missing component turns it into an illegal business. For instance, if in 3. the second representative does not personally sell the product or service, the business is no longer legal. How much that percentage of sales needs to be has not been defined. If a program compensates representatives, directly or indirectly, simply for the introduction or enrollment of other participants in the program, it is considered to be a pyramid scheme which is illegal.
Additionally, recent court decisions have ruled that at least 70% of all goods sold by the MLM company must be purchased by non-distributors.
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# Posted: 12 Dec 2005 05:35
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thank for this infor
i have joined this site for 4 years
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# Posted: 20 Mar 2006 17:25
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Hey coreyjroman,
Thank you for posting this useful and very understandable information on the difference between pyramids and legal and legitimate MLM. Hopefully, people will read through the material and get a better idea of what to look for and what to avoid when considering entering into multi-level marketing.
I also will have a question regarding one other such business in a new thread. Thanks!
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# Posted: 21 Mar 2006 09:27
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Very informative and well-explained material Corey! It's knowledgeable members like you who willingly share such valuable insight, that makes this forum the important resource it has become for many.
::bowing respectfully in the presence of an MLM guru:: 
Hermas
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# Posted: 26 Mar 2006 22:29 · Edited by: CThompson
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In Multi level Marketing.
The Product and the market plan are important.
One very important literature and I believe is more important than the product of the market plan is the policy and procedures.
Signing up and investing your future with out reading this fine print is a very bad business decision.
There are some red flags to obsverve.
Finding a fair policy and procedures is a secret to the success of the long term recurring monthly income that is paid through group volume in un limited depth.
Read the Policy and Procedures FIRST. before ever signing any contract.
This is a million dollar tip.
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# Posted: 17 Apr 2006 01:27
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Very good point. Read those Policies and Procedures. There are many horror stories of people having their checks stolen by even legit well established companies.
Another thing is to really study the compensation plan. Many people tend to join companies without really crunching the numbers. Some plans will make you have to have a massive downline to recieve an almost fulltime check. If you are a part timer in the business like most people are then it will almost be impossible to make any money.
Also if your downline which will have many part timers in it can not make money then they will leave.
A standard I have seen is to figure out how many people it will take for you to make $10,000 a month in your opportunity or one you are looking at. Some companies may be as low as 400 people some may be in the thousands.
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# Posted: 19 Jul 2006 18:14
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Wow! What a great thread! Corey, the information you posted was wonderful!
(Hi everyone, I'm new here!)
For the past year and a half I have really enjoyed looking at different company's comp plans.. and boy have I seen some scary ones! You're exactly right, ralph, you definitely need to learn how to read comp plans so you can know whether the companies you look at will match your goals.
I ran across one comp plan where the first two positions were VERY easy to obtain, but you made very little money at these positions. The next few positions were much harder to obtain and would take a lot of hard work and time to get to them. It was an example of where you would need a massive downline and many many customers to make fulltime income. I prefer a more balanced comp plan.
As for the policies and procedures, it was a very good point to make sure to read them. Not only do you want to make sure everything is in order, but you also want to be sure you know what you can and can't do so you don't get deactivated from the company! It would be horrible to work hard for years and build a great team, only to be deactivated because you didn't follow a simple rule!
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2006 16:04
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Nice information! Thanks!
I just came across network marketing and hope to learn a lot more around...
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# Posted: 29 Sep 2006 14:34 · Edited by: piggybanker
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Quoting: coreyjroman Multi Level Marketing by Definition:
Multilevel Marketing, or MLM, is a system for selling goods or services through a network of distributors.
I first read the forum topic then I began reading your posts. I'm sorry, but you've understated your topic. This is far more than general info. Your contributions to this forum are invaluable. Thank you for sharing. I'll be back to look at cognigen again. I've seen it before under someone else's link. If I join under you will I need to clear my cookies first, or do you know?
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coreyjroman
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# Posted: 6 Oct 2006 00:05 · Edited by: coreyjroman
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Quoting: piggybanker I'm sorry, but you've understated your topic. This is far more than general info. Your contributions to this forum are invaluable. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you for your kind comments. I have not been online for a while Had to re-organize my work structure so family could spend more time together. Wife said I was spending too much time hobbying. LOL.
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# Posted: 30 Oct 2006 06:40
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Yes, that's a very good point about checking out the comp plan - and even more salient point is checking out what sort of money the distributors are making.
Some of the newer plans are a lot more simple than the older style networking plans - for example the binary plan used by some is very easy to understand.
Look for a company that has a lot of people earning a good part-time or full-time income, and be wary of those that just offer a very few people earning fortunes.
Also, if the company is publicly traded, it is good to get their figures on how many active customers they have that are not distributors. That shows that there is a genuine market for the products.
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# Posted: 12 Nov 2006 23:45
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I would like to add to your Great info coreyjroman
When joining an MLM, you need to be prepared to outlay money for monthly meetings, travel to a bigger event every 3 months or so either nationally or internationally, spend money on the actual product to be your best customer and be prepared to talk to many people.
Further to this read a lot of personal development, retail like mad and become a good sponsor
Have fun
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# Posted: 27 Nov 2006 16:17
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I must tell you, that if you have a good sponsor, good plan, step by step instructions, and if you follow them, there is no way to lose!
You will earn, but it will cost you month, or two!
I am earning good money from MLM, and this is not a secret.
Everything is in the plan! If you follow a plan that works for someone, it will work for you too. There is no way!
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# Posted: 19 Feb 2007 17:36
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There are many companies choosing to fo the direct marketing route because a person has the opportunity to generate a good income, work from the comfort of their home and work online.
As long as you do your due diligence before signing and ask ques, listen to their Q&A calls, read the fine print, the next step would be to ask what coaching, training and support you will receive.
The Direct marketing program I chose to go with I chose because I am experienced in the travel industry, and in marketing and love to travel it gave me all those things plus the opportunity to generate a great income with a great compensation plan.
I get paid to travel how great is that?
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When looking at various MLM companies I would strongly suggest to do your DD on all of the above, BUT one indicator can also in many cases be the name itself. Not stating a fact here, but do study more if the name of the company sounds something like:
makemillions.com
nowork4dollars.com
easymillions.com
etc.....
I can see some similarity in some of the signatures in this forum, but I am not saying these are bad, I am simply stating that they SOUND not serious and should require further DD.
There is NO FREE LUNCH out there. MLM is WORK, WORK and WORK, but the good part is that done right you can continue to EARN after the WORK is done.
NEVER go into MANAGEMENT MODE to early (meaning that you just monitor your organization and keep clicking that "refresh" button to see if anybody joined today. GET OUT THERE, follow up, follow up and follow up.
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# Posted: 8 May 2007 01:56
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I love MLM!
Christina
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# Posted: 22 Jun 2007 03:09
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MLM is good, but we should verify the credentials of the Company before proceeding
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# Posted: 22 Jun 2007 13:33 · Edited by: talfighel
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You know what?
I was watching the DR. Phil show a few days ago and there was a lady who helps burned victims. After Dr. Phil and Robin gave her recegnition, there was a lady in the audience from Mark Kay.
Now Mary Kay is another network marketing company out there like Amway and herbalife and to see them have Mark Kay on TV, is a great recognition of the MLM business, its products, and people.
Tal
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# Posted: 25 Jun 2007 01:17
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About 95% of the Network Marketers out there find it difficult to succeed in their businesses because the cards are stacked against them right from the beginning. Let's face it. If your pay plan requires you to build a downline of 3500 people on autoship in order to make $10 000 per month, even a full-timer, working 10 - 15 hours per day would find that difficult. Imagine how difficult a part-timer would find it!
Let's say you want to make $5000 per month instead of $10 000. What's half of 3500? You would now need only 1750 people on autoship under you. Not impossible but still extremely challenging. Not only is it alot of people to recruit but it's also a high number of people to retain in your organization. Imagine the work that would take! Hopefully you've invested a majority of your time training your people to duplicate what you do!
Well, okay. Let's lower our horizon a little more to a mere $2500 per month. Half of 1750 people on continuous autoship is now just 850 people. Piece of cake for a full timer. Right? Sure. Well, how about for a part-timer? Maybe. Depends on how driven the person is, I suppose.
I'm just new in the industry but I do my business full-time. It won't take long before I'm making $10 000 per month. Especially since all I need is 400 people on autoship to take me there!
Rob Nyte
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# Posted: 27 Jun 2007 06:52
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So would this one be classified as MLM or just 'networking' ? They say it is MLM but I don't know.
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# Posted: 28 Jun 2007 11:30
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Quoting: japanesemonky So would this one be classified as MLM or just 'networking' ? They say it is MLM but I don't know.
Network Marketing and MLM is the same thing. MLM is networking with others in your team to grow your business and theirs.
Tal
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# Posted: 4 Jul 2007 23:46
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Thank You, Tal.
JapaneseMonkey,
You wrote, "They say it is MLM...."
There's a few things in that sentence I'm not clear on:
#1) WHO says it's MLM? And...
#2) ...who says WHAT is MLM?
Thanks a $$million$$!
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# Posted: 27 Aug 2007 23:32
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I learned alot by reading all the posts here. Thanks for everyone's contributions. Very informative.
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# Posted: 11 Sep 2007 12:04
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In the USA alone, more than 14 million people are involved in Direct Selling or Network Marketing, as have many others in other parts of the world (world total 2007: around 55 million). They found it to be a viable alternative to common, more traditional careers.
According to economist Paul Zane Pilzer, we are in the midst of a boom in home-based business, and it shows no sign of slowing. The Direct Selling has been gown about 90% in the past 10 years, and Pilzer predicted this industry to be the next big business boom.
More and more people are enjoying the advantages of self-employment: no controlling bosses, no traffic rush, no tight schedules, no more office politics. Above all, Network Marketing distributors can spend a lot of time at home, together with their families.
Nowadays, Direct Selling is widely accepted, yet, just two decades ago, people who worked from home were suspect, assumed that they couldn't get a "real job". But the smartest and richest people in the world work at home today!
The real growth in this business has only just begun. It is predicted, that over the next 10 years, 10 million millionaires are being created. Now everyone can choose if he or she wants to be among these people.
The Direct Selling Industry gives people the chance to build their own income-generating business and acquire great wealth, without having high risks or huge investments. Network Marketing has the opportunity to make residual income that keeps coming in long after having completed the work.
The great thing about Direct Selling is that it doesn't require a specialized sales personality, or background, or polished presentation skills. Almost everyone can succeed here, as success can be accomplished through utilizing the business building tools most company provide.
Direct Selling combines Franchise with Freedom. Above that, the problems one has to encounter when opening a "traditional" business are limited: very low start up costs, no employee-related costs (insurance, pension etc.), low overhead, just to name a few.
Working in accordance with one's abilities, no limits to potential earning, free choice of working hours and so on. Direct Selling combines the proven success of a franchise system with the freedom of an independent freelancer, resulting in proven marketing systems.
Regards, Peter
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# Posted: 11 Sep 2007 14:26
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I like network marketing. I grew up in an Amway family. Having said that there is no doubt that the high failure rate with mlm and even affiliate markeing is most people just can not sell things.
With mlm you add to that having to sponsor and most people just can not do it. The internet is certainly helping because it takes away the one on one aspect of it, but it really becomes a numbers game, and that eliminates most people as well.
I am in a couple of mlm programs, and several affiliate programs, and make a full time living online. If you can hang in there and find what works for you network marketing can be very profitable for you.
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# Posted: 6 Oct 2007 09:08 · Edited by: Lindsey Lowhand
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Has anyone checked the power mall? They say they are not MLM or Affiliate marketing since it is free to join and there is nothing to sell. What business model is it? It must be legal since it has BBB approval and so many brand name stores are involved. They pay 9 levels down so that makes me think MLM.
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