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whiteknyght
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# Posted: 4 Sep 2008 03:29
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pegarrett,
Doesn't the frame of mind or the thought pattern put us in the situation we are currently in? The only reason I say this is due to the fact that if you think you are a failure then this is how you will go through life. One will never succeed at what one does because in their mind they have already failed and will not work to the best of their potential to achieve success.
I could not agree with you more that our posture tells more about who we are than the spoken word. A person who holds their head up and walks with confidence will less likely be approached by those who are threatening or beggars'. Shake hands with a man/woman and see if they look you in the eye. I learned many years ago through a Native American Indian that if they cannot look you in the eye then they are not your brother and not to be trusted. It is a shame that deals made with online sites can't be done with a handshake. The snakes would show their true colors then.
When talking of the Theosophy Society that in and of itself brings another discussion to the table and I really don't see where it applies here unless you are using it to reference the unexplained laws of Nature and the powers latent in man.
The Secret has been around since I was a kid, (oh so many years ago) and I have yet to see results from it. According to the laws of the universe you can bring anything into realty if you want it bad enough or think about it hard enough and believe it is true. I am not here to judge, it is only to say that in the many years I laid in m bed seeing a brand new Lamborghini in the drive and a living room full of cash only to wake and see that neither had developed, and well I guess it goes along with believing in Santa Clause.
To all those that read this, think hard about where you invest your money. Research to the fullest extent all the best options and returns (no load mutual funds) to see where you can be set for retirement. Trust this from an old retired sailor (US Navy 20 years).
Best of luck to all.
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# Posted: 5 Sep 2008 17:58
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Totally agree with danny. Futher more to become one of the 3% that are seing results you have to be a solution the the 97% thats need there problems solved..
I could go deeper but thats the foundation of MLM success
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web20mentor
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# Posted: 5 Sep 2008 20:26
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Gavin Stephenson! You are the man! Glad you chimed in!
I checked out your new Chase Me Marketing! HOT HOT HOT!
Great job! I know you got some secrets in there that I am going to steal, too!
LOL!
And, of course, your comment is dead on.
You know I will support anything you do. You have such a firm grasp on what I hold to be the most important qualities of a leader. So keep doing what you do!
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fbl3ssingm
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# Posted: 6 Sep 2008 00:28
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GavinStephenson: Totally agree with danny. Futher more to become one of the 3% that are seing results you have to be a solution the the 97% thats need there problems solved.. I could go deeper but thats the foundation of MLM success __________________ Gavin Stephenson Why Pay!! For *TRAFFIC* When You Can Get It *FREE*!!!
Please review your signature and don't confuse people with your FREE TRAFFIC (it is not TRUE); it is FAKE! People need to get out of their pocket $69 (today 09052008).
Revise your statement before posting it, pls. Lying won't get you far.
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# Posted: 6 Sep 2008 01:55 · Edited by: Vishal P. Rao
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fbl3ssingm: Please review your signature and don't confuse people with your FREE TRAFFIC (it is not TRUE); it is FAKE! People need to get out of their pocket $69 (today 09052008). Revise your statement before posting it, pls. Lying won't get you far.
Before hurling accusations, take some time introspecting.
GavinStephenson: Why Pay!! For *TRAFFIC* When You Can Get It *FREE*!!!
Here's what it means - Why pay for traffic when you can learn how to get free traffic. It does not say I'll give you free traffic.
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fbl3ssingm
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# Posted: 7 Sep 2008 18:57
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Vishal P. Rao: fbl3ssingm: Please review your signature and don't confuse people with your FREE TRAFFIC (it is not TRUE); it is FAKE! People need to get out of their pocket $69 (today 09052008). Revise your statement before posting it, pls. Lying won't get you far. Before hurling accusations, take some time introspecting. GavinStephenson: Why Pay!! For *TRAFFIC* When You Can Get It *FREE*!!! Here's what it means - Why pay for traffic when you can learn how to get free traffic. It does not say I'll give you free traffic.
Well that was my point. His signature can be interpreted in many ways... as you said. But inducts people in Confusion.
Make it clear, and we'll know what you say. Make it unclear, and you'll STEEL.
And yes, I don't have any problems with his posting. I am just frustrated that through this statement, he's trying to get people's business. Not the proper way... my personal opinion.
And I think I have right to my own opinion, or...? Am I not in USA?
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# Posted: 7 Sep 2008 19:13
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sorry didnt mean i was going to give you traffic. just ment id rather drive traffic for free than pay for it.
fbl3ssingm: Well that was my point. His signature can be interpreted in many ways... as you said. But inducts people in Confusion. Make it clear, and we'll know what you say. Make it unclear, and you'll STEEL. And yes, I don't have any problems with his posting. I am just frustrated that through this statement, he's trying to get people's business. Not the proper way... my personal opinion. And I think I have right to my own opinion, or...? Am I not in USA?
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web20mentor
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2008 20:58
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I will post the topic below again for you:
"So MLM has a 97% fail rate. Big Deal. So does online biz opportunity industry (affiliate programs like WealthMasters, liberty league, etc).
But why? (If you have failed at MLM, you don't get to answer here...we know you hate it and you want to make sure that everyone knows that your failure had nothing to do with your inability to gain enough mental leverage on yourself to do what was necessary to figure out an effective sales and recruiting approach...we have heard it 1,000,000 times already...we got it)
Regardless of how I feel about people's sudden lack of personal responsibility when it comes to failing at things, the sad fact remains that 97% are failing. So while I am not one to buy into people's excuse-making, I also know that the basic business model is pretty messed up if your getting results like that.
SO WHAT IS THE REAL PROBLEM in MLM????
It's very simple. MLM'ers have not learned how to stop CHASING DOWN THEIR TARGET MARKET! For that matter, they don't even know how to assess who their target market really is!
And even if someone does know how to define who their target market is, many will then go into that market with a big pile of business cards and their nice suit ready to put on a show:
"This company is 21 years old, we are debt free and we have THE GREATEST (insert your thing here) that has ever been in the market....AND we are creating 100 millionaires in the next 24 months! You should come to our meeting at (insert local cheese ball hotel) this Monday night! We have a guest speaker who was a (insert really crappy job here) and now he earns over XXXX per month!"
That is called "chasing". THAT is why you have your 97% fail rate.
Solution?
Learn to ADD MASSIVE USE VALUE TO YOUR MARKET. (first, you need to know who your target market is and where to find them)
Now, at first this can be difficult. But it's the difference between chasing a dream and being miserable doing it and having your dream chase you and having a blast.
Depending on the response to this post, I will do another one that will show you exactly what it means to add Massive Use Value.
I really hope that those that are still making the lists of their friends and family or just generally struggling (in ANY business) will pay attention."
Now...do you have anything valuable to add to this topic? Or are you going to keep railing against people's signature lines?
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# Posted: 9 Sep 2008 12:26
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Thank everyone for the relevent posts (web20mentor et all). I am, like others new to MLM, but I've considered myself lucky to be selling a product in demand and fun. I think having a good product, and enjoying talking about it is much more valuable than trying to sign up a bucnh of people who are promised millions, and eventually become that 97%. I don't want people to be dissallusioned with what I get them into. I personally would rather make less money, and know feel better about myself as a person. I will only sign up people who I know will have a good chance of benefiting - and with those people, I am very positive and upbeat
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# Posted: 9 Sep 2008 20:55 · Edited by: fbl3ssingm
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web20mentor: I will post the topic below again for you: "So MLM has a 97% fail rate. Big Deal. So does online biz opportunity industry (affiliate programs like WealthMasters, liberty league, etc). But why? (If you have failed at MLM, you don't get to answer here...we know you hate it and you want to make sure that everyone knows that your failure had nothing to do with your inability to gain enough mental leverage on yourself to do what was necessary to figure out an effective sales and recruiting approach...we have heard it 1,000,000 times already...we got it) Regardless of how I feel about people's sudden lack of personal responsibility when it comes to failing at things, the sad fact remains that 97% are failing. So while I am not one to buy into people's excuse-making, I also know that the basic business model is pretty messed up if your getting results like that. SO WHAT IS THE REAL PROBLEM in MLM???? It's very simple. MLM'ers have not learned how to stop CHASING DOWN THEIR TARGET MARKET! For that matter, they don't even know how to assess who their target market really is! And even if someone does know how to define who their target market is, many will then go into that market with a big pile of business cards and their nice suit ready to put on a show: "This company is 21 years old, we are debt free and we have THE GREATEST (insert your thing here) that has ever been in the market....AND we are creating 100 millionaires in the next 24 months! You should come to our meeting at (insert local cheese ball hotel) this Monday night! We have a guest speaker who was a (insert really crappy job here) and now he earns over XXXX per month!" That is called "chasing". THAT is why you have your 97% fail rate. Solution? Learn to ADD MASSIVE USE VALUE TO YOUR MARKET. (first, you need to know who your target market is and where to find them) Now, at first this can be difficult. But it's the difference between chasing a dream and being miserable doing it and having your dream chase you and having a blast. Depending on the response to this post, I will do another one that will show you exactly what it means to add Massive Use Value. I really hope that those that are still making the lists of their friends and family or just generally struggling (in ANY business) will pay attention." Now...do you have anything valuable to add to this topic? Or are you going to keep railing against people's signature lines?
This is the most honest and valuable information you've ever posted on this forum [my opinion], and I own you a real THANK YOU! This for me, and for anyone else that looks for such discussion. Thank you.
I just have one concern, regarding one of your statements. I do not say that I have failed, and I will not SAY IT! I will never fail, because, as I said, I'm a very strong motivated persons and I know how to deal with such things. Please, do not make such affirmation, if you do not present a based content.
Again, thank you for your reply, and it really helped me understand something more.
As about signatures, I am not hunting for bad signatures, as I was interested in a real online business. I am still searching, and I know I'll find something.
Unfortunately, with profit lance, I'm a little bit disappointed and today I just got my confirmation that my money will be refunded.
I appreciate your post.
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# Posted: 24 Sep 2008 21:55
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I think a lot of the problem is people don't actually work their business. If they have 'feet on the street' half the time they would be doing a regular job they would probably be highly successful. I don't mean making flyers and sending anonymous email, I mean cold calls & follow up calls.
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# Posted: 25 Sep 2008 04:15
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There are a lot of things to do when you join a network marketing business.
Sometimes, you have to think for yourself, am I a risk-taker? Do I really hate my job that much? Do I really need that extra money?
If it's a 'yes' to all questions above, why are you waiting for? Lol.
Don't think that it's another easy money program or you're just victim of network marketing hype if you're not willing to invest time, money and effort to your business.
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# Posted: 29 Sep 2008 04:21
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Attraction Marketing is the best way to position yourself as the expert. But how long does it take to see results? Setting up a social marketing campaign is a lot of work, so stop seeing your HB as a hobby, but as a real business that takes a lot of effort.
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# Posted: 9 Oct 2008 15:11
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Enjoy the thread - web20mentor - you seem to have a huge 'downline'. Here's my only complaint with mlm - there is none that sells a good product. and they typically outright mislead you, to sign you up. They know that 97% of people will lfail, but they don't care as long as they make the fast $$ for signing you up. and the fast $$ when you sign up another person, before you wise up. I was in an mlm where they told me commissions of bookings through my site was 25%. I later learned that it was 25% of 25%. When commission is 25%, it's worth it, without selling memberships. When its 25% or 25%, you can make more money with a real job. a lot more money. MLMville - land of the scam artists, and home of the suckers. luckily, after doing some research (PLEASE see the web site in my signature!!!!) (I won't get a commission if you click on it - imagine that!!??), i am now neither. Good luck everyone, and web20mentor, glad that ol' mlm is working for you. I would suggest that it is not working so well for everyone that you profited by however.
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# Posted: 9 Oct 2008 18:33
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Yes great advice, however I still teach that the #1 reason for success is numbers! You MUST "Go Thru The Numbers".
Nothing else you do will make you successful if you're not showing your product and business.
You can be the best trainer. Know the most about how to build a business. Be the best sponser. Know the most about your company and products, and none of that will matter!
I know, I sponsered lots of people who were going to be superstars. They told me so! I'm STILL waiting for just ONE of them to go to work, but I think they're all still trying to learn what type of trees were cut down to make the company brochures.
But I just kept going and ended up building a six-figure residual income. Won most of the company's awards including "Top Producer". Was featured in a national home business success magazine. Even made my annual residual income go by over $20,000 in a 30 day period.
Not bad for a guy that used to pick up trash for a living.
I'm really not trying to brag here, just trying to make my point.
I "Went Thru The Numbers Big Time" while all those "Guru's" that I sponsered were still studing the "Company Facts" and "Making A Game Plan".
While THEY were making their "Game Plan" me and the rest of my team were building a business by working our tails off.
We were hungry!
Show a few people and MAYBE make a little.
Show more people and PROBABLY make a little.
Show lots of people and make SOME money.
Show a massive amount of people and ........................... make a massive amount of money!
Of course the more duplicatible the marketing methods that you're using are ...................... the quicker you'll get to the "Retire In Style At Any Age" income!
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# Posted: 10 Oct 2008 14:45
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sure, you'll make a massive amount of money, because of the 3 of 97 people who do the same as you do. What a way to get rich. Sub-standard product at an inflated price with little personal commissions. Sell those memberships, rah rah rah!!! Any savy buyer will shop around - unfortunately (as we will see in this election, no matter which way it goes) the American public will buy something if there is enthusiam and glitter surrounding it.
So I sound like I've been burned by mlm? Of course, I do! I have, but never again. So, by all means join - and learn for yourself. Just don't pay a lot to join one of these things. That way when you figure out you've been lied to, you won't be out a lot of $$.
With any luck, these illegal scams will go the way of the dinosaurs.
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# Posted: 11 Oct 2008 00:50
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You can't make leaders. You have to find them.
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# Posted: 14 Oct 2008 13:02
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Naturally, someone who has a concience about ripping off people (not just by selling memberships, but with the product as well) cannot be a 'leader' in an mlm. I fully understand I could've stayed in the mlm and made a lot of money. The numbers don't lie in that regard. But I would've been one of the few, and it doesn't feel right to me. Someone who puts 10X the effort into selling the product would still make less than someone who puts some effort into selling memberships. It just doesn't feel right. Show me an mlm with a product that is in demand, a bargain, and pays a substantial commission. Now show me an mlm that pays huge bonuses for signing people up. My first hand is empty, and my second overflowing.
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# Posted: 14 Oct 2008 15:52
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You have to have both. You have to have distributors who join because there is money both in developing sales teams and product money. It is not an either or proposition. Now, which is the most difficult? You guessed it - getting others to follow you.
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# Posted: 15 Oct 2008 18:34
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Are you kidding? MLMs have made more millionairs than any other business. So get with it and join the MLM that will develop you both professionally and personally. You must Learn to Earn more. So please check it out. The top speakers in the world do the work for you.
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# Posted: 16 Oct 2008 14:41
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Yeah will admit they're are alot of scams out their right? Well most people fall into traps or the wrong opportunities becuse they dont pay closer attention to whats going on when the are introduce to a work from home opportunity. Numerous amounts of people pay more attention to catchy phrases like make a $1,000 a day, instead what kind of training or how can I get a thousand a day. Looking for a more elaborate way to recieve wwealth is what one should do. What I mean about looking for an elaborate way is a way that is easy to comprehend or explained detail for detail before diving in to a pit.
I'to have been lied to and it doesn't make you feel good to have been mislead thinking that I was going make lots of money but I didnt. I was at fault. I was the reason i didnt make any money. I didn't pay close attention to the important details and I didn't know how to create traffic so I was out of luck. I will will admit 95%-98% of people are not successful at a network marketing, at home business, etc. because they dont know some important key steps. Now I have the keys steps to be successful and also to have residual income. It took sometime for me to find the right home business opportunity but I had to find out which was best for me, which could really generate what it said it could, and which would make very simple forme to be successful.
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# Posted: 16 Oct 2008 15:13
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MLM will not work for you if you give up easily, are easily influenced by outside factors like the negativity and slothfulness of others or have a general lazy work ethic.
Social media, web 2.0 and video marketing have made it MUCH easier to succeed today than ever before. But it will still only work for the person that is willing to master himself.
Master yourself and you can master anything. You not only become the top 3% in your chosen MLM...you become the top 3% at anything and everything in life.
If God has blessed you with the desire to succeed in an MLM, he will also bless you with the means to succeed. But you got to have the faith. He will not have it for you. You have to believe. Nobody will believe for you. You must work. Nobody will work for you.
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# Posted: 17 Oct 2008 14:16
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Nothing changes the fact that you are getting wealthy on the backs of others who you know will not succeed. I'm not denying there is huge income potential; I'm saying it's a sleazy way to get it. I have yet to find an mlm with a product worth beans!! Anything you try to sell me with your mlm I will either not need, or will be able to find cheaper elsewhere. Web20mentor, I am an extrodinarily hard working person, who is acquiring a MS in Biology/Immunology so I can make real money, doing something that makes me profitable to society, without suckering multitudes to "join now to make your furtune, go sell this lousy product, and go sell memberships" I may not end up a millionaire, but I will make a difference in the world, without knowing that my paycheck is at the expense of 97 out of 100 people losing money on false promises. I know I won't convince anyone on this forum. Just my 2 cents
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# Posted: 17 Oct 2008 14:40
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Congratulations on your education. I feel education is very important in our lives. I am a college graduate and it has served me well but this is product is also educational teaching some of the things they don't teach you in school. Like goal setting, speaking to win, time management, balance etc.
You really should check out learnmywaytoday.com, because this product has made and will continue to make a positive difference in peoples lives. You can even have 24/7 access to the free content available. Best Wishes for a successfull career of your dreams.
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This message is for those that come here only to tear down the dreams of others:
Why don't you check into finding a forum where they talk about your passion. This is called The Work At Home Forum.
Not the "I hate people that choose to work at home" forum.
I do not deny that MLM is not for everyone. It's not.
But we also are FREE human beings. We have the capacity to judge and decide. I, for one, am very proud of what I do.
99% of the people that have been reading my posts for the last year have no idea which MLM I am even in. I don't promote it like that. I only put people into my MLM that seek me out because I have added massive value into their lives.
And that is what I teach. But that's not really the point here, is it?
I am going to throw a few facts about the world out here. Don't take it the wrong way.
What you describe in the world with your words is rarely, if ever, a true description of the thing you describe...but more a true description of the general way you look at the world.
I didn't make that up. It's a fact. Examine any man's words for any length of time and you will find that it is not his experiences that are driving those words...but the opposite. His words are driving his experiences. THIS is the challenge with all humans. They don't get that. To succeed AT ANYTHING, you must get that.
Personally, I believe a lot of things about the rights and wrongs of the world. But I don't dare go into the forums where those things are discussed and rail against people that DO believe in themselves and their dreams. I don't have the right to do that.
In the book "The Four Agreements", it is said that we should always Be Impeccable With Your Word. What does this mean? We should only speak out what we want back. This has been said in many different ways over the years. From The Bible all the way to modern day personal development. We are to let "the dead bury the dead", which means we are to ignore those that seek to move us away from our passions, dreams and closely held beliefs.
Do you know why Mother Theresa would never go to an "anti war" rally? Because she understood these universal laws. She understood that to deny or fight against something unwanted was to actually bring the unwanted thing closer and give it even more power in the world. But she said "if you have a PRO PEACE rally, let me know".
So I encourage anyone that comes here only to rail AGAINST those that are STRONG in their faith and CONVICTED about their futures...just move on. Life is too short for you to spend so much time trying to tear out of those that which you don't recognize.
If I spend the rest of my life believing in my dream (which to me means to live as if my dream has already happened..which it has) but I never actually have millions of dollars...have I failed? Should I have spent my time on Earth, instead, pursuing a "good job" and a "good retirement"?
If I die a happy dreamer...am I a failure? Would my life have been given higher marks in the big book had I just completed my education and spent 40 years with a company?
For me, the answer is very easy and clear. But my answer is not important here. Each person must answer that for themselves.
This forum and those that come here to learn and to contribute are some of the greatest people in the world.
If you can't see greatness when it's right in front of you...
I'll leave you with this.
Napolean Hill, in his book Think and Grow Rich, said that
Success Requires No Explanations and Failure Permits No Alibi's.
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# Posted: 17 Oct 2008 18:56
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web20mentor - I understand you sentiments and apologize for offending anyone. For me, if I see a man on the street corner taking someones money, I will decry that man. The facts of mlm don't lie. There are cheaper ways to dream than getting ripped off. I would rather be a dreamer and not have to pay monthley fees for it. So I do apologize, and won't post any more negativity on this 'dream' site, unless requested to do so. I would attend a pro-ban mlm rally, to be optimistic 
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BHp: web20mentor - I understand you sentiments and apologize for offending anyone. For me, if I see a man on the street corner taking someones money, I will decry that man. The facts of mlm don't lie. There are cheaper ways to dream than getting ripped off. I would rather be a dreamer and not have to pay monthley fees for it. So I do apologize, and won't post any more negativity on this 'dream' site, unless requested to do so. I would attend a pro-ban mlm rally, to be optimistic
Interesting,
How in the world did you happen upon this forum when you are obviously not a fan of home businesses? Anti MLM is one thing, but to say all MLM's are the same is lame. You call this a dream site, what, so are you saying that everyone who dreams of success in their own home business is wrong?
You clearly are not a home business type, you are a mainstream job seeker, so again, why are you here? Is not the name of this forum clear? Do you think anyone here would jump on a medical site pushing home businesses while condemning doctors and drug companies as ripoffs?
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# Posted: 29 Oct 2008 12:02
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chuckle
I'm not saying all mlms are the same - I'm saying the pyramid structure is the same - a flawed business model. Mlms are different, - different products with different compensations, but all in all it comes to the same thing - selling memberships to make money. When I say it's a flawed model, any business where 97 out of 100 people lose money is a flawed business model. I fully support home based businesses that are not pyramid schemes. The moral problem I see is that mlms require you to build a 'team' to be sucessfull.
Here's how a good business is run. The business provides a product/service. A customer buys that product/service. This makes the business money. It's quite simple.
Here's how an mlm works. The business owner (you) provides a service. However, your money doesn't come from the product you move, but from the number of other people you sign up (and ultimately from the product they collectively move, mostly purchased by themselves). Without a doubt you can get rich doing it! I cannot deny that. I just see something wrong with it, when I know that 97 out 100 people who use my product get NO return on their investment! If mlms don't have sign-up and membership fees coming in, they would go under. This cannot be denied.
Here's a little story.
A wealthy man organizes a big race. "It's your ticket to become a millionaire!" he proclaims. He lines 1000 people up along the beach, facing the ocean. Himself (from a boat bobbing just offshore) calls over a loudspeaker "What you have to do is throw $400 into the air! There is a sligh wind, which will carry your money a small distance into the water. Your path to riches is merely to swim into the water to get it! This can make you rich!!! (and as we will see, he is partially right) 1000 people enthusiastically throw their money into the air. The money swirls in the breeze, and is taken out to see. A few people say, "Wow, that breeze was stronger than the rich man told me," and give up right there. These are the people with no motivation anyway, who are swayed by any fair speech. They walk off the beach under a sign that says "The Negative, The Slothful, and The Lazy (thanks Danny)"
Some people touch their toes in the water, and find it's too cold. These are they who aren't the business types, and walk off the beach under the same sign.
Most people enthusiastically dive into the water, spash around the shore, pick up $100 or so, and then realize the real money is farther out. This is the majority, and they exit under the same sign.
A few start swimming, and manage to pick up some more money. They see that there is more out farther, but realize that the deeper water is dangerous. They swim back, lesson learned, and nevertheless exit under the same gate.
A precious few keep swimming and keep swimming. These determined individuals finally get out far enough to see where all the money has landed! They find the race organizer (who used his boat to get there) scoooping up loads of cash with a net. "Oho!!, the sucessful, the determined, the best!!" he calls to them as he sees them, surrounded by money. He doesn't notice that the sharks of greed and deciet are snatching these last few, and his boat has sprung a leak.
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# Posted: 29 Oct 2008 12:05
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and to answer why am i here, warenties4less, just call me a voice crying in the wilderness
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# Posted: 29 Oct 2008 18:33
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Funny,
Voice crying in the wilderness, yes, I guess that is one thing you got right. lol
What a shame you have such a slanted viewpoint on home businesses, and MLM in particular. Yes, most fail, but it is not just for the reasons you state. First, what memberhip fees, you make it sound like every MLM has a pay to play fee?
Most people who start a business fail, that is a simple fact, and those who start traditional businesses lose thousands, if not tens of thousands when they fail, not so with MLM, so it only reasons that this would contribute to the higher ratio of failures, wouldn't it?
What is failure? When we hear these experts throw out the 97% nonsense, what does this mean? Failure is different for everyone, just as success is, so how do you define failure? When a person simply gives up, quits, or one who works hard and stays the course for more than a few months to earn a few hundred extra from home per month. Is this person a failure? No, they are a success for they stuck it out, and only quitters are failures, and sadly, there are far more quitters in the world than there are those who stick it out and not quit.
Most will not hit the top earner levels, but this does not make them failures. I have hundreds who earn hundreds and are very happy wiht their level of success, and for these people, they know it takes time and effort to see their home business incomes grow and grow every month, even if only by $10.00, they are on a successful track as long as they don't quit.
As to your pyramid comments, come on, you can't be serious? Everything is a pyramid by design, and it is nothing more than a system of leverage, and as mentioned above, there are hundreds of companies which charge no fee, and even if they do charge a marketing kit fee, no commissions are paid on these, so most are not illegal pyramids, but all MLM's are pyramid structures, and for good reason, it works for those that work it.
You want to label all MLM's as pyramids, as in illegal ones, and yes, many are who charge large entry fees, I will agree with you on that, but come on, this is a small percentage overall in the industry. It all comes down to value, no value, no business. That is why I work several businesses, most offer a free distributorship and free marketing tools, web site, back office and training, so don't make it sound like all MLM's are pay to play, this is simply not true. I could name dozens which are no cost to become distributors, I work several which are free to join, no purchase required, and I have many people who start this way since there is no risk, and I find this is a perfect way to get introduced to home business arena, with no investment of financial risk.
I see people fail at even free businesses, so again, it is up to the individual, you either want success or you don't, you either want financail freedom or you don't, eveyone is different. I have many who have earned hundreds every month who started with my free programs, so don't think for a second your 97% failure rate is accurate, for it isn't. It only reflects an empty estimate of how many quitters there are in the world of home businesses, nothing more.
Success to all, Mike
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