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boosey12
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# Posted: 2 Dec 2008 11:28
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My dad and I decided to start doing these MLM businesses, one at a time, and over and over, it turned into a heartbreak...
Team ended up shutting down (after months and months of traveling), ....
Quixtar won't pay good enough (we had almost 1200 in our downline)
Monavie doesn't sell anymore (eveyone has it, or has tried it!)
We poured our hearts and souls into these businesses, and nothing came of them...?!?!
anyone know of any that are RELIABLE???
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# Posted: 2 Dec 2008 13:45
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Hi boosey,
Sorry to hear that you and your father have went through such bad experiences. The truth is there are many great businesses out there it's just that not every business is meant for everybody. I'm sure each of the businesses you mentioned have worked out tremendously for others but just not for you and your father.
Glad to see you aren't sour on all mlm businesses and are continuing to search for the one that will bring you success. There are many successful people who have failed numerous times before realizing their dream so don't let these few bad experiences discourage you.
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Seth
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# Posted: 2 Dec 2008 14:18
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sorry to hear that you lost $12,000
aw man that's quite big money 
Hmm RELIABLE ? try to dig this forum ...
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# Posted: 3 Dec 2008 00:41
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Depends on what you consider to be reliable....
I have been there, done that, I even have you beat on the investment part... I think you would agree, however, that there are successful people in all the above mentioned businesses, correct?
So it boils down to what is the right fit for you.... I did finally find an mlm that does and has what I was looking for, but then I also found affiliate marketing which doesn't deal with people so much.... and don't get me wrong, I love people! (if I didn't I sure wouldn't mess around on here - lol)
But I needed something where I could simply be online and see money come into my account thru sales , etc... and I am on pursuit of that now... I likes it much better!
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# Posted: 3 Dec 2008 12:36
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Sorry to hear that you have had so many problems. I also agree that affiliate marketing is the way to go - I was scammed several times before I got into affiliate marketing, and although the going was initially rough, I've earned almost $1,700 in profits in my best month, so I guess persistence pays off...
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# Posted: 4 Dec 2008 08:08
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So sad to hear that.
But your determination is very strong.
I admired your persistence and determination.
I am sure you will find something that suit u.
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FearlessIncome
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# Posted: 4 Dec 2008 09:02
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Sorry to hear that you lost money. I've lost plenty of money with juice mlm's but not nearly that amount 
You're right about everyone trying most of the juices out there. There are so many juice companies flooding the market nowadays. As a matter of fact, when I went out to eat a few weeks ago, I saw two vans; one had a MonaVie vinyl sticker on the back windshield, and the other van had an Herbalife sticker. Talk about saturation! And I live in a smallish town.
I'm not going to get into what I do, as I'm sure you can check for yourself, but it's definitely a breath of fresh air that the industry desperately needs.
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# Posted: 8 Dec 2008 19:46 · Edited by: zaphire97
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boosey12: anyone know of any that are RELIABLE???
boosey12
I felt sorry for your lost. It's really difficult to promote a business without a system plus the products should be good enough or in demand. We just launched a system for ZIJA company a couple of weeks ago and everything has been doing great. I have guys from Africa and Singapore inquiring about the business and actually got 50 leads over the course. We are still in the beginning so you might be interested to take a look. Again I'm sorry for your lost.
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nmdbrian
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2008 21:19
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I lost quite a bit in Team/Quixtar/Monavie too. I've moved into another program and seeing some success, without so much expense.
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# Posted: 12 Dec 2008 10:23
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My friend has been trying to get my in monavie.. thanks for the heads up...
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# Posted: 15 Dec 2008 16:07
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My wife and I tried the monavie thing and it hasn't gone anywhere for us. The product is good but overpriced.
I am convinced that affiliate marketing is the way to go and if you watch your Ps and Qs it can be done with hardly any money to start.
I think the key is to learn from someone who is already successful or to join a membership site that teaches all the techniques and skills needed. Being a member here is the best place to start. Much info here from people who have been there already ben there and done that!
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# Posted: 16 Dec 2008 00:40
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I host an MLM forum on the Ryze network (MLM Success) and we just had a discussion about Monavie. Everyone agreed it's a good company with a great product, but with the economy in recession, not many people are willing to pay so much for a super juice, regardless of it's alleged benefits. That's why I left Zrii (another juice) and joined The Berry Tree. The monthly cost is much more affordable and the pay plan is really achievable.
But back to the original post in this thread: how on earth does someone lose $12,000 marketing an mlm? I've been in this industry for years and if you add up my marketing costs for all that time, it wouldn't be close to 12K. MLM is a word of mouth business. You can build a downline just by talking to people, and that doesn't cost a cent!
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# Posted: 16 Dec 2008 21:25 · Edited by: nmdbrian
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The "Team" which the original poster referred to, has a training system that encourages everyone to attend seminars and leadership functions similar to the old Amway rallies. They were actually an Amway organization originally. They broke away from Q/Amway and joined up with MonaVie. The main leader, Orrin Woodward, has disclosed his intentions to build something to the effect of the Walmart of the Internet marketing organization, complete with discount pricing. But they have to wait through a period of time because they are under a minimal 2 year non-compete clause with Q/Amway.
They want you to get as many people to the big dances as possible to help motivate your organization. I never missed one in the 4+ years I was involved. The last leadership function I went to in St. Louis, driving from Michigan, with 2 nights motel expense, I spent over $800 for myself and wife just in one weekend. Those expenses add up.. not hard at all to blow through over $10 grand in a few years.. I know I did too.. maybe if I was lucky, made only about half of my overall expenses back in commission checks.
But you are right Tim, MLM is a word of mouth business. This online marketing is for the birds. Everyone is too skeptical and wants something for nothing. The best way to do it is get out and crunch some carpet and drink some coffee with folks. I sign up easily 3 of every 4 people I meet in person.
The program I'm in now.. $30 total expenses each month, and already have gotten almost to break-even after the third month in, with outrageously low effort from my lazy butt.. gotta love that! Wish I'd have seen this years ago!
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# Posted: 17 Dec 2008 01:25
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Boosey that sucks. I have two very close friends involved with Monavie and they are making between 400-500 per month. I said the same thing to them as you did " Monavie market is saturated " I do know some reliable, If your still looking lemmie know.
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# Posted: 17 Dec 2008 18:55
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I used to work for GNC ... still have friends that do work for the company and they all say the same thing... Accai (spelling??) is a great seller ... The Monavie people created this whole market but you don't own the market so now just like NONI and GOJI and all the other juices people that you educated are going to the local Walmart or GNC or whole foods and picking it up for less money.
You cannot plan to stay in a juice based MLM long-term... it doesn't work history proves it time and time again.
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# Posted: 22 Dec 2008 00:01
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Hi Boosey
Your post broke my heart.
This happened to me in Herbalife
from the front end purchase requirements.
I left them of course with some healing needed.
A mentor told me.
Christina, until you know why the how does not matter.
It took me a very long time to really understand my why.
The same mentor told me.
You can only build your business two ways.
First with enthusiasm or just mad.
So every time I hear a family put down my failures and
not recognize my successe's I get pissed off. It fires me up.
First things first. dont ever tell a women she cant do that.
God Bless you and
Keep your DREAM okay.
Warm wishes
Christina Thompson
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# Posted: 22 Dec 2008 00:26
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It's my opinion that requiring front-end purchases is very "old school" MLM. Many very good opportunities exist without the purchase requirements.
In my company you don't have to make any personal consumption much less buy a bunch of stuff you can't sell.
If you were going to be in a position of ordering product(s) you may as well open a retail store... I would RUN from anything that requires personal consumption even if it is a great and proven company like Herbalife, it just doesn't make sense to have that obligation in the internet age.
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# Posted: 22 Dec 2008 01:08
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Hi Jim,
The bonus of personal consumption is when it runs out the customer re-orders.
If you retail with intent to recruit by offering the profits to the customer from their personal referrals.
You are correct that the font end business is old school, yet it is still active. Ordering a case of liquid vitamins on autoship is not very attractive to me either.
In fact I have not ever joined a company that has a single product and requires more than one bottle a month to qualify for the back end residual cash flow.
This is not my business it is Melissa and Haleys. However I find it quite attractive. One bottle a month period qualifys for all residual and they pay weekly. Just one bottle. Truly zero overhead.
They are a Mother and Daughter Team.
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To answer your question did I sign up? Yes I did.
However, I am a customer. Now this is interesting.
I did not recruit or retail just one order a month.
I recieved a check. They pay the autoship person
for up to 5 ( max) that were placed under me by
others. So my product is free.
Enjoy investigating it is very interesting.
Warmly
Christina
Wolfeagle Marketing Group
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# Posted: 30 Dec 2008 20:56 · Edited by: arcade
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That could mainly be because you joined up with all these company's after they have been saturated by tens of thousands of others doing the same thing. You have to find an emerging trend and be one of the first to get in and start building your network that trend immediately. It's not that all these companies are scams. I was also in with monavie, I went to the Orlando convention and meet up with Brig and Leta Hart, Steve and Gina Merritt, Dallin Larson, ext, ext. They all just got in when it was brand new. Now there are just to many sales people and not enough drinkers. It is a great product, much to expensive but is definitely not a scam. Folks maybe in denial about the product and what they represent, but folks should know better than to listen to hype without a "fresh" business model behind it. Like I said you either gotta get in when its new, or already have an established network to bring in with you. A few of my partners and I have been checking out this new opportunity. It doesn't cost an arm and a leg to get in, it's just a few months old and it's definitely the right timing to get involved. If you already have a network with 1200 in your down line, then you could really get a real nice fire going. The founders of our network are phenomenal and you and your network will be very happy. If your interested, give me an email.
[email protected]
Happy Holidays.
Arcade
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# Posted: 4 Jan 2009 19:54
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I am so sorry. I think many of us have been involved in more than one NWM company before finding the right one.
I am very happy with Send Out Cards. One thing that sets Send Out Cards apart from some other companies is that the cost of the product is actually less than what you can by in the store. (For example, our greeting cards cost just $.98 with our retail account and $.62 with the wholesale account.)
Also, it is a very marketable product outside of the circle of NWM. I can sell SendOutCards all day long to businesses and never tell them it is NWM. Business professionals love the system.
I wish you luck and hope you find what you are looking for.
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# Posted: 13 Jan 2009 10:26
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Hi boosey12
There are hundreds if not thousands of stories just like yours. It is unfortunate of your lose of funds especially in today's economy. Also, very happy to hear you have not giving up on a home base business.
I have found that there are three basic roadblocks that stop people from becoming successful in their network marketing or Internet Marketing Business.
1. They cannot sell
2. They cannot recruit or sponsor others
3. They do not know how to effectively market or advertise.
Searching for that perfect home base business can be a challenge. The juice market is saturated with one opportunity after another. Don't get me wrong, there are many really good companies that do carry an exceptional juice product. However, one must ask the very important question, "What exactly do I have to do to be successful in your company?"
Then what is the company going to do for you to become successful. One should find a business that has a history of satisfied customers as well as satisfied associates.
Here is an ideal business model. The company does all the advertising for you to generate real customers from TV, Radio and magazine advertising. Then you can buy the rights to future purchases of these customers while the company continues with advertising, marketing, research & development, products & inventory, shipping, payments, follow up and more. The company does all the back-end marketing and uses the most effective form of direct marketing which are catalogs and journals sent directly to the customers 18 times per year. This generates even more orders from satisfied buying customers.
We call this co-operative marketing.
One other item, if nutrition is not the route you wish to take at this time, keep searching for that niche to make it happen online for you.
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# Posted: 13 Jan 2009 22:26
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I used to do Quixtar as well. Most people pour alot more money into that system then they get out of it. I still order the laundry detergent though, good stuff
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# Posted: 14 Jan 2009 20:23 · Edited by: TheChampion
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boosey12: My dad and I decided to start doing these MLM businesses,
I've done MLM too but I've found my greatest successes in promoting big-ticket products (anything that costs $1,000 or more but also pays out commissions of $1,000 or more) on the back-end of a funnel system.
A funnel system builds a solid relationship with your potential customer by explaining to your customer the benefits of your product and also the "HOW" is your customer going to get targeted customers to their business (web site) so they too can achieve their financial goals (if the product also has a compensation plan attached to it).
On the front end of the funnel system you have to have a front-end product that costs around $50 usually that basically will cover most, if not all of your marketing or advertising costs.
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# Posted: 20 Jan 2009 00:38
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tswprez: I used to work for GNC ... still have friends that do work for the company and they all say the same thing... Accai (spelling??) is a great seller ... The Monavie people created this whole market but you don't own the market so now just like NONI and GOJI and all the other juices people that you educated are going to the local Walmart or GNC or whole foods and picking it up for less money. You cannot plan to stay in a juice based MLM long-term... it doesn't work history proves it time and time again.
LOL, its so nice to see someone with retail experience.
I have a retail supplement business. I attend the products convention every year.
It NEVER fails...what ever drink is available in an MLM is ALWAYS available to retailers. When they tell you its "exclusive" there is an invisible asterisk "exclusive to the MLM industry!"
And oh my...how much business the retail industry has done because of advertising (word of mouth or other). Consumers don't want to pay the high prices (that if they stopped to think about it, they would realize the inflated price covers the sellers & uplines commissions). Sea Silver is a great example. With their conventional advertising, store sales were HUGE!
Yes...its the same formula. Different label. There's one manufacturer that sells all of the them. The drinks are lined up on a long table so you can sample. It's ironic. They'll even private label for your store! (Think Trader Joe's - nearly everything is private label.)
Then there is the longevity factor. Consumers tend to change products every 90 days until they find something they love, or something they are satisfied with. That's a lot of "churn" in an MLM company. They are dropping out the back as fast as you add them.
Sound familiar?
Then there is "the really sick" that might benefit from your product. How are you going to get them away from the doctor and his approval? How are you going to show them the interactions with whatever perscription they are already on? And how many "really sick" people are you capable of dealing with? They might rally a bit, and still perish (trying to be gentle here). How great of a testimony is it if they rallied, then died?
Correct...you can't stay in nutrition MLMs for long...and hense, more churn!
Now, that said, I have heard of a different nutritional product. The trade show is in March...I wonder if will be available for retail yet! I've never tracked it before. It may be this fall (I don't attend that one) or next year, depending on the demand that is created.
And no, because of the cost to the store they can't make the needed markup to sell the MLM product retail.
Too funny.
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# Posted: 20 Jan 2009 13:51
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Damn that sucks! I used to take monavie and liked it but def pricey. Never got into the mlm side of it. I personally take Univera now and know several people that sell it. Great product and they do well with it. It is growing steadily from what i can tell and the research and development of it is very solid. That might be one to check into. But i also agree with the others, affiliate marketing is what i would focus on.
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# Posted: 20 Jan 2009 17:32
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Cooperative Marketing that Trivita offers is all that I will do now. I ran into the same issues as you did and many others. Distributor's always dropping out and having to replace them. I was going to stop being involved with any kind of MLM type business when I found a hybrid with Trivita, which utilizes a cooperative marketing model. Trivita has the longest running TV infommercial for it's patented sublingual b12 and also does some other print and media advertising where they obtain the customers. We have people that were in Univera, Monavie, Shaklee, Amway, Herbalife, Melaluca and ITV Ventures that are thrilled to be able to purchase the lifetime buying rights to customer's with 18 follow ups by mail with catalogs and journals a year done by the company, plus a weekly health related email, so no contact is necesary with the customer unless you wish to. This way you have the Cooperative Marketing aspect for customer's, and the more MLM like payouts if you also wish to share the business opportunity where you earn additional bonus' and commissions. Some people just buy alot of customer's and earn on their lifetime purchases. These customer's can also refer other customer's, so you end up with some free customers that you get the same 21% commissions on.
The other great part is Trivita has over 50 products, so you are not competing for the market share of one or two products. All are pharmaceutical grade, bio-available, some are patented, some have had extensive clinical studies done and all have a 100% 60 day money back guarantee. There is a new product launching in March, the Sonoran Bloom that is projected to be a billion dollar product and will have an infommercial as well.
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# Posted: 23 Jan 2009 12:11
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Sorry to hear that. I started with Monavie after convincing my wife into it. But everyone I talked to thought it was to expensive and have tried several products like it. But I got and and good think I did. I bounced right back into it just recently and can tell you to go with a good mlm you need to pick a product you believe in and is not already out there. I was fortunate enough to get in on my new mlm that just launched on Jan 9th. And there is no other product like it. Best of luck and don't give up you can make good money in MLM...
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# Posted: 3 Feb 2009 23:09 · Edited by: nmdbrian
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You'll see my post above. I am a former Team/Q/Monavie member. I've been building a new business now. I thank the training myself and others in my organization have received in the years with Team, which I believe is definitely a big factor in our recent success. We have already added almost 90 people this year to our organization. As any tried and true Team person would say.. We are FIRED UP!!
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# Posted: 4 Feb 2009 08:46
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Is it not hard to get people in on your product? I mean vitamins are a hard sell since there are so many out there already. Wouldn't it be easier to work with a product that is a one of a kind product? With my product you can actually feel the results within 3-5 min after taking.
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