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JoeBlow
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 08:39
On last nights call, Andy asked for help from those who have sold items through their websites to email or fax that info.
I thought he wasn't allowed to open emails?
What about all those who did not have real businesses in the ad rotation? I wonder how many of those there are?
Just some thoughts.
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blessings2you
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 08:53
Right after Andy asked for help from us for testimonials via email or fax, he said right now he can't open any emails, but to wait a couple days to send them in. He said on the call that he can't get on his computer right now.
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iggyigette
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 09:07
He may not be able to open emails, But his Attorney should be able to collect any evidence/data to support their case.
I think he may not remember the email address to tell us to where to send in supporting emails to?
These emails are simply "eyewitness testimonies" that will be used as "evidence" to support ASD's Case that it was truely an advertising business and that advertisers made money through this ASD "Social Marketing Network" Concept.
It needs to Counter the Government's own "Eyewitness testimonies" from their Agents who became "members" to collect Data to discredit ASD.
Quite Frankly, if you read the "Eyewitness testimony" of the Government's TFA agents...the only data they will present would be the ones that Damn ASD...
That's why I believe we are hearing ONLY one side of the story at this time...
Sure Andy may be Completely 100% guilty, but the fair thing to do is to read ASD's Side of the story before giving the Verdict.
I sure don't want a Juror in Trial to Stand Up and say "GUILTY" after hearing the Plaintiff's Presentation and BEFORE hearing the Defendant's Presentation.
It's hard Not to be UNBIASED, but I suppose that's why ASD members probably won't be on the Jury!
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JoeBlow
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 09:12
Except that you and I both know that there is a large majority of people who signed up and bought ad packages who did not have a business to advertise. Don't you think the prosecutors will be able to find that number out?
For ASD's sake, there better be more people who had businesses to advertise than not. I don't know if an ASD recruiting website will count for a legitimate business or not.
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iggyigette
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 09:23
JoeBlow: Except that you and I both know that there is a large majority of people who signed up and bought ad packages who did not have a business to advertise. Don't you think the prosecutors will be able to find that number out?
There are plenty of those folks. And there are plenty of folks I'm sure who have real businesses who made money.
I think though the question that will be brought up is an analogy:
Let's say if you paid money to the Newspaper to Advertise some "junk" or just Promote a Website, does that mean the newspaper is Guilty of not running a true advertising business? If you purchase advertising space from a newspaper or a radio spot on the radio and promoted something other than a "profit making business", would that disqualify the radio or newspaper as Illegal or Illegitimate?
I didn't have a business to promote. I didn't sell anything. I promoted a Charity that I go twice a year to do Medical Missions Work with. I joined ASD to promote a Charitable Organization - does that disqualify ASD?
That same argument would be brought up for those who promoted something other than a "profit making business".
Who knows what the real answer is...except the Jury of 12 people!
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JoeBlow
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 09:29
But, why in the world would I pay money to advertise nothing in a newspaper? And a newspaper is not promising to pay me money to advertise in their newspaper.
It's not an accurate analogy.
I think it is great that you promoted a charity, and I hope that they charity did benefit from it.
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iggyigette
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 09:35
The Charity had an additional 100 "hits" a day when I started to promote it!
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llperch
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 10:22
I didn't see this posted, but Rayda posted this email address to send in results of your website being on the ASD site.
I'm not sure if it works now, but you can give it a try. I sent my results in.
[email protected]
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WhiteSox
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 10:41
I think the main issue here is the fact that there isn't any real income stream other than new members. It's the ponzi problem that is bringing it down. All the promises of the "extra" income streams were all lies it seems. We all know that without that it wouldn't work and would be indeed a ponzi. We all chose to believe the hype of all these things happening soon that will bring all this extra money in to support the system. In Miami they had a guy go up and speak showing the millions of dollors that ASD would be getting advertising banners on the ASD site and for affect he started crying at the end to show how caring he was.
Bottom line here is that there never were all these lawyers behind us, compliance guy that obviously wasn't what he said he was, Andy with a checkered past, withdrawing ASD money for personal purchases, probable major amount of missing money if all they found was $53 million, continued lies that they didn't know what what going on when we all knew what was happening yesterday morning.
Not sure but isn't this worthy of major prison time for many if it is proven that they all lied to decieve for major profit? I think most of us feel pretty foolish now riding the Andy that was portrayed and wanted to believe this was a "unique" opportunity and nothing like the other surf programs. Now a lot of us are grasping at anything to try and salvage money and ridicule for being so naive. I guess I'll hold out a 2% chance the case against ASD is all trumped up and ASD will be the most formidable advertising company on the planet. Very hard at this stage to feel anything positive about what is happening.
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iggyigette
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 10:50
$51,000 in Jewelry in One day! I wonder what he purchased?
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kec
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 11:11 · Edited by: kec
Re: White sox entry:
I do think that this point is not being empahasized enough. There was a starting point to ASD. The starting point is a man, a man named Andy, a man that had us all believe he was a successful businessman, a man that told members he rec'd an award from the Pres of the USA, a man that has committed a prior fraud felony, a man that let his "Director' and attorney lie on a video that this scheme was on the up and up when it turns out the attorney has a vested interest in asd as a director and has no office or employees after all....
This man ... what was his intention just from what is known as fact thus far?
This man, folks, did not have pure intentions. He has lied repeatedly and this man,-cannot be trusted...
The ASd concept may be awesome, and I truly wanted my 2k investment to flourish and I wanted this to be real too!!!
But dishonesty started a dishonest business...so maybe one day a similiar business can be started by someone who can actually manage it correctly and prevent all the problems asd has been plagued with...and never should have been.
Thats my 2 cents.
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alasycia
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 12:11
The ASd concept may be awesome, and I truly wanted my 2k investment to flourish and I wanted this to be real too!!!
So all of a sudden you have made investments??
Iggy is 100% right. Advertising is just that - whether you advertise for profit for your business, or to make your charity known or your opinion etc - anything else. Newspapers accept advertising - they do not tell people they have to advertise for profit. Get realistic. Go and read a newspaper at Christmas time or election time.
Apart from my business advertising, I advertise a charity on the Spanish National Internet - to publicise a fair - is that wrong or unacceptable too? The AG knocks some of the "internet businesses" on the Site - so now selling "jungle juice" is not a business either. HYIPs are known on and offline. So they dont count if they are advertised online? Only in the papers?
And as they want the money off ASD for money laundering - this has to be a bad joke.
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vikingfan
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 12:30
I think a strong defense could be made about the advertising on ASD. I think a lot of people truly signed up to get exposure for their website and of course the rebates. I do know a lot of people that sold some product on ASD. I don't think the government should decide whether it's a good form of advertising or not. That is not their place.
In this case it is not worth arguing in the court of law because ASD was not run properly and Andy lied and deceived members about his past. I think his past is actually what got the feds involved in the first place. They knew he was up to no good and put a stop to it. I doubt ASD would be shut down right now if the red flags didn't come up with Andy.
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nkelly
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 12:59
iggyigette: I didn't have a business to promote. I didn't sell anything. I promoted a Charity that I go twice a year to do Medical Missions Work with. I joined ASD to promote a Charitable Organization - does that disqualify ASD? That same argument would be brought up for those who promoted something other than a "profit making business". Who knows what the real answer is...except the Jury of 12 people!
WhiteSox: I think the main issue here is the fact that there isn't any real income stream other than new members. It's the ponzi problem that is bringing it down. All the promises of the "extra" income streams were all lies it seems. We all know that without that it wouldn't work and would be indeed a ponzi. We all chose to believe the hype of all these things happening soon that will bring all this extra money in to support the system. In Miami they had a guy go up and speak showing the millions of dollors that ASD would be getting advertising banners on the ASD site and for affect he started crying at the end to show how caring he was.
vikingfan: I think a strong defense could be made about the advertising on ASD. I think a lot of people truly signed up to get exposure for their website and of course the rebates. I do know a lot of people that sold some product on ASD. I don't think the government should decide whether it's a good form of advertising or not. That is not their place.
I saw a great increase in traffic to my web site and I even wrote a testimonial to ASD to that effect. Nobody can make you use what you buy! They sold ad packages. No dispute there. They also paid you back more than you paid them.. from the proceeds of new ad pack sales ONLY...therein lies the problem! P O N Z I.
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iggyigette
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 13:07
nkelly: .. from the proceeds of new ad pack sales ONLY...therein lies the problem! P O N Z I.
Yes I am waiting to see how ASD answer this Complaint.
They may refer to the "Legality Statement" that the Rebates are not "Guaranteed" and serves as a function of a "Loss Leader" program.
Who knows...will be interesting to see their argument
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ptaylor
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 13:14
I agree that the advertising isn't the main problem. It's the fact that we all bought ad packages and expected to get back 125% in rebates. Along with all of the matching funds that asd was supposedly giving out. It really doesn't make sense when you think about it.
I just can't believe that Andy really thought that he would get away with this. Did he think nobody would ever notice? or check up on facts?
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teydean
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 13:40 · Edited by: teydean
ptaylor: I just can't believe that Andy really thought that he would get away with this. Did he think nobody would ever notice? or check up on facts?
Are we ruling out the possibility that Andy actually believed what he was doing was legal?
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nkelly
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 14:07
teydean: Are we ruling out the possibility that Andy actually believed what he was doing was legal?
I like to think that Andy really thought he had a good loophole.
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antwan
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 14:14
I'm sure in Andy's mind he justified what he was doing was legal. Who knows what he was thinking when he started this but one thing is certain, his background and past was covered with lies.....obviously for good reasons on his part. Believe me, I Googled, researched, looked and looked for any improprieties on this guy and nothing came up. Rest assured, if I would have discovered his fraud and conviction charges in Alabama, there's no way I would have joined this company. The story they concocted and shared with everyone cannot even be confirmed. The guy has always been a conman.
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kec
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 19:42 · Edited by: kec
KEC wrote:
The ASd concept may be awesome, and I truly wanted my 2k investment to flourish and I wanted this to be real too!!!
alasycia: So all of a sudden you have made investments?? Iggy is 100% right. Advertising is just that - whether you advertise for profit for your business, or to make your charity known or your opinion etc - anything else. Newspapers accept advertising - they do not tell people they have to advertise for profit. Get realistic. Go and read a newspaper at Christmas time or election time. Apart from my business advertising, I advertise a charity on the Spanish National Internet - to publicise a fair - is that wrong or unacceptable too? The AG knocks some of the "internet businesses" on the Site - so now selling "jungle juice" is not a business either. HYIPs are known on and offline. So they dont count if they are advertised online? Only in the papers? And as they want the money off ASD for money laundering - this has to be a bad joke.
I am not following what you mean about what I wrote. Any money I put in towards ads of any type is an investment to me. So I dont think I am disagreeing with you...not sure what your message is.
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kec
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 19:47
teydean: Are we ruling out the possibility that Andy actually believed what he was doing was legal?
Not sure how anyone can ask this---did you read the civil suit? Did you read about this man? He presented himself wrapped in lies.
How can you not question the integrity of this person and still remotely believe he could possibly be 'innocent' in 'not knowing' what he was doing was illegal......
How do folks skip over/gloss over the fact that he and his attorney are lies in every aspect of who they said they were...???
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brt
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 20:47 · Edited by: brt
I agree kec.. we have something that looks like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like a duck, smells like a duck, and even has the exact same dna of a duck, yet there are still a lot of people that have convinced themeselves that it's actually an elephant...imo
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dbmaxx
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 21:07
kec and brt
you both are right. 2 things that I see:
1.The problem is that people are in up to their eyeballs in this (I am probably about to my knees or so) and we hope for a good outcome as the final decision has yet to come
2. We all seem to trust the government's opinion less than an old "God fearing" conman's
Its over and WE ALL know it but we are in until the final seconds run off the clock and we are hoping for an onside kick recovery and a hail mary as well as some help from the officiating team.
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iggyigette
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 21:25
dbmaxx: Its over and WE ALL know it but we are in until the final seconds run off the clock and we are hoping for an onside kick recovery and a hail mary as well as some help from the officiating team.
Well...there is SUPPOSED to be a Conference Call this Friday from ASD!
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dbmaxx
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 21:30 · Edited by: dbmaxx
Right --that is exactly where I am hoping for the special teams call to come in -- then it has to be executed (can you tell football season is coming). How many decided that the Patriots were Super Bowl Champs last year before the Giants were crowned?
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Giblinker
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# Posted: 12 Aug 2008 20:40
I just still don't understand how the AG determines thousands of other FREE members are being scammed...First of all..Not every member has puchased more advertising to expose their businesses .. there is a FREE option to advertise your business. Yes FREE...Is that a scam? Secondly whats wrong with incorporating a rebate/rewards program to assist the advertiser overtime. How is that a Scam? If it is - then start shutting down Credit Card companies who offer 1% cash rebates for purchased goods...That is also considered an "Extra-Ordinary Benefit" to entice and decieve more people to apply for their $5000, $10,000 and $15,000 card program to FURTHER PUT THEM IN DEBT....
By the way...Credit Card Cash Rebates are paid by other people charging and paying their debts...No External revenue is supporting their rebate programs...Is this a scam?
ASD is a viable Advertising Business opportunity...
Since when did we start believing our government...Those days are gone...
We will prevail...
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iggyigette
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# Posted: 12 Aug 2008 20:52
don't forget the conference call in 30 minutes
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mrich87
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# Posted: 12 Aug 2008 22:04
JoeBlow: But, why in the world would I pay money to advertise nothing in a newspaper? And a newspaper is not promising to pay me money to advertise in their newspaper.
Hi Joe,
But what if you DID have a legitimate MLM or brick and mortar business advertising in the newspaper? What if the newspaper said they would pay you .50 for looking at ads of other advertisers? Would you do it... ?
I'm not really looking for a response, just want you to you think about it.
Thanks,
Mike
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