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alasycia
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 02:20
iggyigette: Quote Alot of the information though is obviously "Biased" in favor of the Government. The "Under Cover Agent" presents only "cases" that makes ASD looks bad. "Hearsay" evidence such as "the Agent" surfed the website and ONLY saw crappy advertising most of the time. I'm sure if the Agent "interviewed" an ASD member who actually made money from their website being on the rotator, do you really think that evidence will be presented? Probably Not. That's why there's going to be 2 sides of the story. And that's why ASD is seeking "Testimonials" and having folks email their success stories into ASD.
That is more intelligent than saying it is all over! It has just begun
And Nick, dont be so presumptious. Ok the Us STate Department are not nice guys, but their main objective, if you read the whole 101 pages is money laundering. And that oneis not a drama - ther eis nt any money laundering going on. All that woory trhat ASD are trying to move money out of the US. Give me break - and the w9s and the W8s and STP(AlertPay) lol. Maybe it could be a way to help people outside th Us BUY advertising? or receive rebates.
If you thought it was a ponzi - what on earth were you dong buying advertising ewith them? Did they ever say to you they were an investment company.
You were telling us a few pages back that it was sustainable. make up your mind.
Tough times when we should all pull together and let the rats leave what they have prejudged to be a sinking ship. And if it refloats then the members get paid and so does the IRS and guess who will be first to claim their rebates?
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Caterina
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 09:21 � Edited by: Caterina
nkelly: # Posted: 6 Aug 2008 01:51 Reply Quote So it doesn't matter to you folks that the money is all coming from new investors? It doesn't matter to you that Andy was telling a bunch of lies at the rallies just to get money in? It doesn't matter to you that the "team" of lawyers is just one part timer from his house? It doesn't matter that Andy has a history of fraud? You really think the government will overlook all this and find Andy innocent? Ha! Good night Irene. I am done with this. Over and OUT. I have better things to do with my time. Good luck to you all. Really! __________________
Yikes, Ned......if a jury decides Andy's a huge big fat lying mutha, you can bet it will matter to me......but for God's sake.....we ain't in the Wild West, where one can throw a rope up and hang em high, whether innocent or guilty, based on someone's story, without first examining the story from ALL sides.....c'mon.....we're guilty until proven innocent? Is that it?
HOW many among us can say we 100% completely trust our government, and/or that they're ALWAYS correct? We've been presented with "facts" that have yet to be proven.....some of the "facts" are so danged slanted that I'm utterly, utterly amazed.....
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nkelly
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 10:11
And you wonder why Andy was able to siphon millions of dollars away from you all...Thank God the government is there to protect some of you. As I said...Good luck. You're going to need it.
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Caterina
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 10:24
nkelly: And you wonder why Andy was able to siphon millions of dollars away from you all...Thank God the government is there to protect some of you. As I said...Good luck. You're going to need it.
LOL....
And how much of it is yours again???? $7000? If Andy is guilty, then he managed to siphon far more of your money than he did mine....your statement seems a bit ironic to me......
BECAUSE I won't "admit" he's a "bad man", I'm an idiot.....but because you can say HANG EM, BOYS, you're intelligent?
Maybe......
Time will tell.....
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LauraLicata
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 10:47
Caterina: BECAUSE I won't "admit" he's a "bad man", I'm an idiot.....but because you can say HANG EM, BOYS, you're intelligent?
Come on....do you really think people would have given up thousands of dollars if they had known that Andy had been investigated (and convicted in one case) on money related schemes?
Why aren't you addressing that slight problem?
Think about it. There was a guy who was posting here for awhile and started freaking out when the website was shutdown. He freaked out because he had just brought in a number of friends and family. He was so worried.
Do you think someone like him would have brought them in if he had known Andy has a checkered past?
Why are so many of you not addressing this?
Laura
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Caterina
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 10:56
Because I've lived through slanderous accusations.....
Of course people are freaking out, and I'm not saying this isn't a BAD situation.....I feel bad for ANYone who's lost a penny.....I do take offense, though, when people tell me I'm an idiot....I'm no more an "idiot" than anyone.....and that was my point to Nicholas.
In MY mind, the jury needs to convict him before I hammer the nail in his coffin.....that's all.......
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nkelly
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 10:58
I don't presume to be more intelligent than anyone here. I am perhaps more real and down to earth than a lot of you. I see it like it is. I am pissed off that I lost $7,000 but in the grand scheme of thing that is a month's play money and I will move on. We should have all invested what we could afford to lose. I knew it was too good to be true but I let a friend influence me against my better judgement. I have then seen all your reactions to the reality of the situation and it has been a great learning experience. There are so many gullible, naiive people in America that it's no wonder people get scammed so easily. Don't take it personally. Learn from it. Accept yourself for who you really are and try not to let it happen again! That is my attitude. I have learned finally to trust my intuition and not let people persuade me otherwise.
Sorry for offending anyone with the intelligence angle. I was just being flip.
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teydean
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 11:21
nkelly: There are so many gullible, naive people in America that it's no wonder people get scammed so easily.
Since you were scammed too.....does that put you in the gullible/naive category? Or are you excluded because you let a friend influence your decision?
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alasycia
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 11:32
Nick,
There you go again talking about investments. What is this? You cannot go around calling everyone naive.
There may well be naive people, but there are many more of us who knew what we were getting into, did not buy more advertising than we could afford, have received both advertising and cash back on it.
I never thought this was a get rich scheme. I expected that to earn a reasonable amount of money back on my advertising, Iwould have to wait a while .
It is obvious that there were a sector of people who chose to ignore the company policy and statements that this was an advertising company in which noone should put money they couldnt afford to in. There are people who have seen this as a way to get quick cash and take risks with their money.
And now what has happened? The US Goverment authorities have seen a lot of money flying around and so have gone in with what is a charge of money laundering. (I hope you have all read the 101 page document. My reading is that they couldnt give a damn about members - they are just after a lot of money - which fortunately is not being laundered.
The rest looks as if it has been added on. And Nicholas you yourself were explaining why ASD was not the same as 12 daily pro not long back. I think Sustainable was the word you used.
So I find the arguement that THANK HEAVENS the US AG and TREASURY department are there to protect people a little ironic. I think you will find a lot of honest and unnaive americans disagreeing with you on that one.
Wouldnt it be fairer to challange these allegations and support the company, instead of saying people ar dumb.
If the Taxman goes after my companies money I dont clap my hands and say I told you so - I fight back
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 11:43
nkelly: I have then seen all your reactions to the reality of the situation and it has been a great learning experience.
I'm sorry to hear the recent news, truly I am. I would take nKelly's point though and treat this as a learning experience. It takes hard work to make money, anything beyond that is a lie. I think it's safe to say ASD is over with as either they will be shut down by the government or by the bad press. Really is anyone going to continue to invest NEW money?
I understand those of you who have thousands invested already and are quick to defend ASD for your own sake, I can completely empathize with this, actually I can sympathize with it too, having been a victim of "scams". As I've said before most people who are making it online can share with you at least 1 horror story of losing money, consider it a rite of passage if you wish to continue making money online. This is often an expensive lesson to learn, but a good one to always carry with you, both in the offline and online world.
If it sounds too good to be true chances are it is.
Trust your gut.
Be smart and test the waters first. If someone is asking you to go ALL IN a flag should shoot up in your mind.
Anytime anyone is saying they will pay you more than you pay in; understand there is a risk involved...especially online...and especially if you really don't have to work to get anything.
You are all on a wonderful forum with many, many people who have been through the "online thing" and when you are ready to venture into making money online I would strongly suggest coming back and reading a bit in the forum and asking those who have been there beforehand for advice and guidance. There really are people out there who do want to help others...a lot of them with the motivation of helping people to avoid things like ASD.
My prayers truly will be with the many of you who have something to lose with ASD, I hope at the least you get your money back and at best I hope things pan out and you realize whatever dreams motivated you for joining ASD.
~Gilbert
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nkelly
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 12:31
teydean: Since you were scammed too.....does that put you in the gullible/naive category? Or are you excluded because you let a friend influence your decision?
I did my due diligence when I invested, despite my gut feeling that it was a ponzi. My friend is a professional "intuitive" who had a good feeling about this. I did not know about 12daily pro until after I had invested. I had never invested in anything like it in the past. despite my better judgement I invested the first $5,000 to get 100% match in Tampa, through my friend. When the government came in I was not surprised. When I read the whole document with the "facts" about Andy and exposing all his lies I saw it for the scam I originally thought it was. How is that naiive. The naiivety I now accuse others of is based on their blind refusal to see the reality of the situation. That is what naiivety is. I was at worst gullible and easily led by my friend and now I am paying the price.
And Jenny for goodness sakes, its an investment any way you put it. So lighten up on that! And if you look back at al my posts regarding my calculations you will see over and over that I said it was NOT sustainable. I may have been fooled into thinking it was sustainable before I learned that the sponsor gets 100% match of the downline, but when I did I made it very obvious that it was NOT sustainable.
And my cry from the start was where is all this rebate money coming from? No outside income could ever be enough to pay out the billions required if he had 100,000 ad pack millionaires!!
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Nicholas
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nkelly
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 12:35
And for the record I don't think people were stupid to buy into ASD. They were misled and that is why Andy needs to pay us all back at least our original purchase amounts. There, I avoided the word investment...oh sorry..there it is again.
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chanabery
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 12:44
I invested a chunk of money in July. I sent a cashier's check from my bank. As of yesterday, the cashier's check hasn't been cashed. If it still hasn't been cashed @ the end of 90 days, my bank will give me my money back. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed. This also may be an option for those of you that recently sent in money. or do you think the Feds will cash the money orders/cashiers checks that are laying around?
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 12:53
iggyigette: nkelly: You really think the government will overlook all this and find Andy innocent? The Jury will make that decision. The Government is one party in the lawsuit. I'm not defending ASD, but I'm defending the Rights to Hear both sides of the story before making a conviction.
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vikingfan
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 12:53
Chanabery,
Did the money ever show up in your account as ad packages?
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chanabery
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 12:56
no, the ad packagewhich I purchased in July never showed up.
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nkelly
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 13:09
chanabery: As of yesterday, the cashier's check hasn't been cashed. If it still hasn't been cashed @ the end of 90 days, my bank will give me my money back.
You have the right to put a stop payment on that cashiers check if it has not been cashed. It is a criminal offense to do so for legitimate goods and services but under the circumstances I would say you have a chance to do it now. Speak to your bank manager, not the clerk at the counter.
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Nicholas
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alasycia
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 13:27 � Edited by: alasycia
correct - becaue right now , if it hasnt been cashed - the Government have it. And I am sure you dont want THEM to cash it for you.
And Nick
And Jenny for goodness sakes, its an investment any way you put it
An investment in my advertising Nick - and to be fair I would never put the kind of money you did into advertising my business - it is too small to warrent it. �And I dont make investments into companies that state quite clearly that they are not an inestment company and give no guarntees on cash rebates.
You know, I put on my reading glasses and read. i have always looked on this as a long term progject. And so did most of hte people I know who joined long a go and in my team, who joined recently.
I talked a person out of putting in their last 10,000$ into ASD, because it was NOT an investment only a few weeks ago. I bet most would have gone for the money - but I like sleeping nights and prefer to lose a few bucks (or 5,000 in ad packs and 1000$ cash in this case) by not being greedy. Suggested instead they put in what they could comforably afford and enjoy the programme. while they advertise. Just as the Company President has ALWAYS said.
I ALWAYS make it clear that it is an advertising company. I like lots of people buying from 10$ to 1000$ of advertising and building. My team is full of them.
What has saddened me over the past few months is that there are a lot people who have joined ASD who should never have even considered it and did so for the wrong reasons, pass on wrong information and have been themselves partly responsible for this situation coming about.
I am NOT suggesting that the Company shouldnt have slowed down and stopped these crazy purchases and stuck a much lower limit on the ToC, but it happened that way. But crazy they were and for all the wrong reasons. These members are not corporate loyal or interested in financial freedom through participation. They just want a fast buck, passive income and no risk and do not consider it necessary to read what they sign when they join.
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nkelly
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 14:12
Your sponsor must have loved you! Even if all the people in your downline were putting in only $50 each, it was an investment. That was my point.
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nkelly
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 14:14
My initial investment of $5,000 was justified by the exposure to my company's web site. The response was so good that I decided to spend more money upgrading my web site. Nobody disputes the whole business, but everybody was investing to make money. It was never touted as entertainment, so it was an investment.
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nkelly
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 14:19
I wish ASD would come back, or something like it, and pay out only 50% of what you put in. That way you get a good bang for your buck in advertising your web site, you get 50% back for looking at other people's web sites and everybody wins. If you decide not to surf the others web sites you just pay to promote your own to those who are surfing. The exposure needs to be more than 15 seconds each and the hits need to be wider spread, but I think it could work. You would have to make money from selling something on your web site, not rebates from ASD. Extra income could be generated in the same manner as ASD suggested like Greenback street etc.. Its a win win situation and squeaky clean.
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iggyigette
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 14:34
nkelly: I wish ASD would come back, or something like it, and pay out only 50% of what you put in. That way you get a good bang for your buck in advertising your web site, you get 50% back for looking at other people's web sites and everybody wins. If you decide not to surf the others web sites you just pay to promote your own to those who are surfing. The exposure needs to be more than 15 seconds each and the hits need to be wider spread, but I think it could work. You would have to make money from selling something on your web site, not rebates from ASD. Extra income could be generated in the same manner as ASD suggested like Greenback street etc.. Its a win win situation and squeaky clean.
Do I hear The NEXT "NEW IMPROVED" ASD VERSION PART II PROJECT HERE?
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nkelly
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 17:40
Maybe we can merge and offer free steak with every package?
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mrich87
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# Posted: 6 Aug 2008 19:28
edenmarie: Seems to me a lot of people are jumping ship awfully quick. Im still standing behind ASD. Good things can happen. __________________ Eden Marie James
Hey Eden,
Congrats on your patience.
I still don't know what to make of it.
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