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Kinglions175
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# Posted: 24 Jul 2008 20:06
http://www.myebizlive.com/asdcalculator.aspx
I was interested in finding a spreadsheet online that accurately reflected A.S.D.'s payout system. I thoroughly went over the spreadsheet from the link above and was hoping someone could comment on it's accuracy. I have a few questions.
1) I noticed the initial one-time adpackage (in red) expires after netting 125%. The spreadsheet does not show any other expiring adpackages as you go down the line. Is this accurate?
2) The spreadsheet does not include the 25% promotional match when you roll over $500+. How does that effect the outcome over time?.. or maybe I should say how drastically does it effect it?
Hopefully all the knowledgeable A.S.Der's who have been members for awhile can help with these questions. Thanks in advance
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brt
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# Posted: 25 Jul 2008 01:18
lol, no, that spreadsheet is very inaccurate and can easily get whoever is posting it banned from ASD, in my opinion.
Cheers,
Brendan
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panman
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# Posted: 25 Jul 2008 08:10
Hi all!
Kinglions175 has some valid points and questions. The spreadsheet he referred to is not correct, if for no other reason, it does not show any ad packages expiring after the first "block" of packs on the 53rd day I think it was?
However, the basic concept of this spreadsheet is a good one and I would like to know if anyone knows of a similar spreadsheet which is correct? Would be a great tool to work with. Thanks!
panman
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sunnyeagle
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# Posted: 25 Jul 2008 13:29
The news I have heard through the grapevine is; ASD does not want anyone to use a spreadsheet before some one is signed up. SOME ONE has been using them all wrong. A few has ruin it for all.
Even though I think it is the best way to show someone compound growth.
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Kinglions175
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# Posted: 25 Jul 2008 13:30
That's what I thought too about the expiring adpackages. I'm not sure there is a spreadsheet out there that is accurate. If there is I haven't seen it yet.
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alasycia
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# Posted: 25 Jul 2008 15:04
There are hardly any spreadsheets that are accurate for smaller sums of money.
Once you have 2000$ in ad packs you receive 10$ a day at weekends and can upgrade every day. Until that time, a daily upgrade distorts figures by enourmous amounts. The sums earnt always come out too high! (in some as much as 60%)
Regrettably the ASD one is also highly inaccurate and this is something that is in their pending tray to produce a free and accurate calculator for us all.
Fun to use - but do so with caution and remember that there is no daily upgrading below 2000$ (0.5% at weekends remember)
Never use them as a tool to advertise or talk people into joining - you will be misleading people and could also get into trouble with the company.
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mrich87
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# Posted: 30 Jul 2008 22:06
alasycia: There are hardly any spreadsheets that are accurate for smaller sums of money.
If you are looking for a calculator that will show you when you will break even, click on my link below.
I purchased it myself before promoting it. It allows you to put many variables in, or out, but from a pure business ROI, we should all know when we will break even, right?
Mike
P.S. You also get free upgrades...
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iggyigette
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# Posted: 31 Jul 2008 00:15
mrich87: I purchased it myself before promoting it. It allows you to put many variables in, or out, but from a pure business ROI, we should all know when we will break even, right?
Forget Break even...You got a Calculator that will show profit???
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mrich87
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# Posted: 31 Jul 2008 01:10 � Edited by: mrich87
iggyigette: Forget Break even...You got a Calculator that will show profit???
You know I do brother! But my UPLINE gets cranky when I share it with non-members of our team.... .
I do like the one I have from both and here's why....
If someone wants to know B.E., that's very easy to calculate with the spreadsheet gurus. It also has a lot of new features as well. It's an accurate, beg - mid ASD'r.
What I like about the one my group uses - and this might be good advice for all if you come in with at least 1,000 ad packs - is it allows you to run many scenerios... of which one reinvests daily and one waiting until you've accumulated 500 in your cash account and then reinvesting it to get the 25% bonus. There are a whole lot of benefits to doing it both ways if one stops and thinks about it. Much to many F&B's to show a ton of scenerios.
Again, since that one isn't available, the one below is very nice and accurate.
I'll buy your steak if you buy the spreadsheet.... what do you think?
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iggyigette
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# Posted: 31 Jul 2008 01:18
mrich87: I'll buy your steak if you buy the spreadsheet.... what do you think?
OK...You buy the Steak FIRST...then I'll buy the Spreadsheet
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mrich87
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# Posted: 31 Jul 2008 03:08
iggyigette: OK...You buy the Steak FIRST...then I'll buy the Spreadsheet
I'm a man of my words..... Thank you for your payment Help
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Can't wait for the steak......
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luvtravel
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# Posted: 31 Jul 2008 07:09 � Edited by: luvtravel
You can also get a calculator that ASD themselves put out
if you go here:
http://adsurfdailywebroom.com/
and go into the training room
by using your name and guest
and than
go to "start presentation"
it will explain ASD and than it explains strategies
it's from ASD by ASD so it is approved.
And its FREE!
The spreadsheet advertised in this thread is impressive BUT I will have to buy Excel which is expensive piece of software, to be able to use the spreadsheet. I was alll ready to buy it till I read that.
Terri
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iggyigette
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# Posted: 31 Jul 2008 08:18
mrich87: I'm a man of my words..... Thank you for your payment Help
All DONE BUDDY...
"The Spreadsheet Guru
Please Download your Spreadsheet below.
Thank you for your purchase from TheSpreadsheetGuru.com
You can download your file below. We have provided links for MS Excel users and OpenOffice.org users."
WOULD YOU LIKE A COMPLEMENTARY SIDE DISH WITH THE STEAK?[i][/i]
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mrich87
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# Posted: 31 Jul 2008 09:13
luvtravel: it will explain ASD and than it explains strategies it's from ASD by ASD so it is approved. And its FREE! The spreadsheet advertised in this thread is impressive BUT I will have to buy Excel which is expensive piece of software, to be able to use the spreadsheet. I was alll ready to buy it till I read that. Terri
Hi Terri,
Thanks for your post. You are right, it is free and certainly the one they approve..... but not to beat the proverbial horse, but we all know we get what we pay for.
For example.... I have a couple of laptops in my house that run Windows XP. They constantly do funny things when I don't want them to. Next time, I'm buying a MAC because my perceived value of a MAC is much better than a Windows based OS. I got what I paid for.
Now back to the point of the spreadsheet.... I guess I was under the impression that a majority of people will have Excel, so yes, that's one way it would be needed.... but, if you read about the spreadsheet, it also works with Open Office, which is free. Here are the details of Open Office....
(www: OpenOffice.org - The Free and Open Productivity SuiteA multiplatform and multilingual office suite and an open-source project. Compatible with all other major office suites, free to download, use, ...
www.openoffice.org/ - 17k )
You may want to check that out as I do believe operating this business without a capable database/spreadsheet will be a tough sell. Even with the ASD Free one. Just my two cents.
Mike
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mrich87
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# Posted: 31 Jul 2008 09:15
iggyigette: WOULD YOU LIKE A COMPLEMENTARY SIDE DISH WITH THE STEAK?
If it's french fries or a baked potato than sure. If it's cole slaw or potato salad I'll pass....
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iggyigette
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# Posted: 31 Jul 2008 10:31
mrich87: Can't wait for the steak......
Medium Well or Medium Rare? A little Pink in the Middle?
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alasycia
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# Posted: 31 Jul 2008 12:55
Sorry Guys
After a long talk with my accounting expert - the news is the following
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to make a 1�00% accurate spread sheet forecast. The reason is that it is impossible to calculate the daily rebates and real time that they take to expire. If we are paid 1.3% on one day and 1.098 on another and 1.8% on another - the time that the 125% will take to earn will vary.
The best one can do is forecast on the basis of , say !% on weekdays and .5% at weekends, and realise that the timescalae may well be shorter for the ad packs to run out.
The best one I have seen yet is the SpreadSheet guru spreadsheet. although I am sure there are other good ones around. this one is not generic to ASD - and can be used with other payplans.
The ASD own example does right to say it it a What IF scenario, it is highly inaccurate and shows earnings far higher than we are likely to receive. The money is upgraded at 100% of cash rebates a day, even when 20% is taken out!! The differences are huge.
Be careful - there is a good reason that
" my UPLINE gets cranky when I share it with non-members of our team...."
They are only any good if it is explained that they are only What If scenarios
Sorry to be a wet blanket - but that is the way it is.
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mrich87
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# Posted: 31 Jul 2008 15:13
iggyigette: Medium Well or Medium Rare? A little Pink in the Middle?
I like it medium rare. Do you use any cracked pepper?
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iggyigette
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# Posted: 31 Jul 2008 15:16
mrich87: I like it medium rare. Do you use any cracked pepper?
If you like Cracked Peppers it will be just a small extra charge...maybe around 20 Ad Packages...would you be OK with that?
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mrich87
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# Posted: 31 Jul 2008 15:19
alasycia: Be careful - there is a good reason that " my UPLINE gets cranky when I share it with non-members of our team...." They are only any good if it is explained that they are only What If scenarios Sorry to be a wet blanket - but that is the way it is.
I completely agree.... it's kind of like guessing what time it is... even though your clock says the little hand is on 1 and the big hand is on 12, it's constantly in motion so in order for you to say it's 1 o'clock you would have to hit it precisely when all the digits have lined up correctly.... I dare say it impossible to do.
You will never know exactly when, but wiser men than I have figured out that history repeats itself.... (although past results are not indicative of future earnings).
Go ahead and buy the spread sheet below. Iggy did..... I also bought his steak, which I'm really looking forward to.
Mike
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mrich87
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# Posted: 31 Jul 2008 15:28 � Edited by: mrich87
iggyigette: If you like Cracked Peppers it will be just a small extra charge...maybe around 20 Ad Packages...would you be OK with that?
Have you studied how cracked pepper travels across the country? Would it actually stick to the steak, or would it end up coming off in the wrap? There needs to be a govt grant to figure this out. We can't be the first people ever challenged with this dillema...
If there's a way I can actually get into www.asdcashgenerator.com and send you 20 ad packs, I will do it, but I think the gifting of ad packs button isn't going to be released until Version 2.
In fact, I want you all to come along with me on a very short journey....... oh come on.... it'll be fun.
Imagine, you're buying gift cards at Barnes & Noble this season.... and the hottest gift card this year comes loaded with 3 different Ad Pack denominations.... 10, 25, 50 ad packs....... It's going to be the hottest gift card of the season..... probably bigger than iTunes, Macaronni Grill, Olive Garden..... HUGE
In fact, I wonder if www.giveadpackgiftcards.com is taken?
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edenmarie
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# Posted: 31 Jul 2008 15:45
I have a spreadsheet as well. One i was sent from someone with ASD.. Claim was it came from ASD or one of Andys people. I have gone over it with a fine tooth comb. It appears to be somewhat accurate. It basis everything on a 1% across the board. It accurately reflects the 80 /20 split. Ive double checked the math. Id love someone else to take a look at it and give me there feedback. I can email it???
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mrich87
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# Posted: 31 Jul 2008 16:00
edenmarie: I have a spreadsheet as well. One i was sent from someone with ASD.. Claim was it came from ASD or one of Andys people. I have gone over it with a fine tooth comb. It appears to be somewhat accurate. It basis everything on a 1% across the board. It accurately reflects the 80 /20 split. Ive double checked the math. Id love someone else to take a look at it and give me there feedback. I can email it???
I'm wondering why one of Andy's boys would have sent you one with 1% across the board. I always use 1% daily, .5% on Saturday and Sunday as I thought that was the norm.
I will look at your spreadsheet. Feel free to send it to [email protected].
I'm not an expert but I'll take a look.
Mike
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alasycia
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# Posted: 31 Jul 2008 16:42
Hi Mike
Glad you understand why sponsors are so cautious about people using calculators for promotional purposes.
Having said that I agree with you - the SpreadSheet Guru's is probably as close as you can get to accurate!!
Bought it ages ago! lol
Would be curious to see what someone reckons is ASD official
The only ones I have seen forget to only add back 80% once 20% is taken out.
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rippinrod
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# Posted: 1 Aug 2008 01:16 � Edited by: rippinrod
The Spreadsheet Guru's product definitely seems to be the best one out there. This person obviously spent a lot of time putting this together and their formulas are probably worth more than the $20 (if you can see them).
Jenny is right that it is IMPOSSIBLE to have an accurate prediction. Rebates and amounts spent on repurchases change everyday, we can't account for this. We can only have a conservative estimate. Personally, I don't even include the current 25% promotion.
Since we can't promote others to join ASD by showing them rebates/checks or estimates of such, you don't want to promote ASD with unrealistic expectations. Better to have it the other way...let them be pleasantly comforted.
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luvtravel
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# Posted: 1 Aug 2008 07:35 � Edited by: luvtravel
mrich87: Now back to the point of the spreadsheet.... I guess I was under the impression that a majority of people will have Excel, so yes, that's one way it would be needed.... but, if you read about the spreadsheet, it also works with Open Office, which is free. Here are the details of Open Office....
I thought it said "will NOT work with OpenOffice" ???
Hey I would buy it as I like answering prospects ques when it comes to income estimates, my other business has an estimator or calculator as well.
Terri
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luvtravel
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# Posted: 1 Aug 2008 07:45
mrich87: Imagine, you're buying gift cards at Barnes & Noble this season.... and the hottest gift card this year comes loaded with 3 different Ad Pack denominations.... 10, 25, 50 ad packs....... It's going to be the hottest gift card of the season..... probably bigger than iTunes, Macaronni Grill, Olive Garden..... HUGE
It would be hot IF a person buying the gift card knew what an ad pack was LOL
My husband loves B&N gift cards if I got him one that said for adpacks ahhh no he wouldn't like that... LOL
Just kidding
Anyway, yes that would be good to be able to offer a "gift card" of ad packs, where did you hear they would be offered in the new ver2 (if and when its operational) ??
Whenever someone states something about ASD as if it were fact I like to check out the validity whether it is hearsay, rumor or fact as there are tons of rumors around
Terri
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mrich87
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# Posted: 1 Aug 2008 14:25
luvtravel: Anyway, yes that would be good to be able to offer a "gift card" of ad packs, where did you hear they would be offered in the new ver2 (if and when its operational) ?? Whenever someone states something about ASD as if it were fact I like to check out the validity whether it is hearsay, rumor or fact as there are tons of rumors around Terri
Mine was a hypothetical journey Terri, that's all. As far as I know, ASD has no plans to do this. I was only playing a game.
Have a good weekend everyone.
Mike
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iggyigette
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# Posted: 1 Aug 2008 15:34
marinating the steak...
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nkelly
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# Posted: 1 Aug 2008 22:04
Kinglions175: That's what I thought too about the expiring adpackages. I'm not sure there is a spreadsheet out there that is accurate. If there is I haven't seen it yet.
That can never happen. There are way too many variables to make a spreadsheet that addresses all of them. Best you can hope for is a rough estimate which is why I sat down and created my own for my own use to see if it was worthwhile. Hopefully the ASD investigation will come out all positive and we can get back on track with this thing! It was fun!!
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