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iggyigette
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2008 00:49 � Edited by: iggyigette
We all have perceptions of what the truth truely is about people, things, and events...especially as it relates to ASD. Our perceptions are based on "Fragments of Data" that we collect...we can all view the same data and draw different conclusions...filtered by our own personal filters we each have...Filters that we have developed based on our personal experiences, good or bad, but they color our perception of life...and we each truely believe that our own Perceptions are better than other people's - that we have a better grasp of "reality" than they do.
First Perception of ASD? A SCAM? A GREAT OPPORTUNITY?
Same Data (ASD Webpage)...different Conclusions...All Perception...
We each behave in a manner that serves our Personal Values...
Defenders of ASD defend ASD because they have something at stake...Money already in the system...
ASD Bashers Bash ASD because they have something at stake...Competition? Ego?
We all look at the same Data...and draw different conclusions...filtered by our personal filters of past experiences...it's called Perception of "the truth"...
When we write, the reader will Perceive what our message is, and that perception may not be our Intent of our message. Same Data. Different Conclusions.
When we Speak, the Listener will Perceive what our message is, and that perception may not be our Intent of our message. Same Data. Different Conclusions.
A Successful Message that gets across to the Listener or Reader is one that listener or reader Perceives that the message serves their Values.
A Message is rejected if the message does not pass through the listener's or reader's filters (bad perception of the message).
The Filters
We each receive 2000-3000 messages a day to try to influence our behavior - ASD is GREAT! Join the Club! ASD is a SCAM. RUN AWAY. We all have Filters to screen our messages.
The Filtering Process:
We collect Data from the outside world, screen the messages through our own personal filters, and translate it into our own personal subjective truth (perception)
We can all look at the Same Data (message), and draw different Conclusions based on Our Filters (life experiences).
Whether we are Pro ASD or Anti ASD, To influence behavior and get our message across, we need to find a way to get around "filters" - we need to "Package" our message to get through the Filters of the Listener. If the message doesn't get through the filters, it's JUNK MAIL.
Values
We each engage in behavior that satisfies our personal Values. People do things for their reasons, not your reasons.
Some Values: 1. Security (physical, material, emotional) 2. Autonomy (sense of control - to satisfy this need to give people Options) 3. Acceptance/approval by reference group 4. Self Esteem (your perception of how people perceive you) 5. Success/Achievement. 6. Fun
Question: What are some Values that a person would have when you are presenting to then the ASD Opportunity?
POINT: Never expect anyone to engage in a behavior that serves your values unless you give them an adequate reason to do so. You want their Perception of what you want them to do is better than what they are doing now. Give Value Satisfaction in exchange for Behavior that we want.
Question: How do you Communicate to a person who has $1,000 sitting in the bank account that using their $1,000 in ASD would be more beneficial than using it for other Business/Investment Opportunities?
To Communicate Effectively:
1. Determine your reader's/listener's Values
2. Determine their Filters (background experiences, etc)
3. Package your Message Appropriately so that Your Message do not bounce off their filters and become Junk Mail.
To change behavior, we must first change thinking and perception.
Iggy's Jungle Excursion today:
http://iggyigette.multiply.com/journal/item/466/Welcome_to_the_Jungle
(link available for a short time only)
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mrich87
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2008 15:15
Hi Iggy,
Great advice not only for ASD, but for life. Those books must have been terrific!
Mike
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Louminous
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2008 15:25
The wise words of IGGY...
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alasycia
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2008 16:46
Good Grief Iggy,
Does this happen to you every time you go on vaccation? LOl
Profound thoughts.
And here is a new angle. It was put to me today and the fog cleared.
Question: How do you get traffic to your social website or forum - where you are recommending some investment opp or programme?
Answer: Find a programme that is causing a major buzz on the internet. Start a Topic on your site with that programme's name and include the word scam or ponzi. Then when people are looking for info on the popular company .(they may even include the word scam in the search engine topic) HeyPresto - they land on your forum site!!.
So you get lots of traffic to YOUR forum site. You then encourage the programme bashers to post and stir up scandal and interest in your forum, then frighten the people looking at the poplular programme half to death and then can recommend your (far better etc etc) programme that they can join under YOU instead.
Comment: Only a theory, but it gives food for thought. What some people will do to get traffic!!
Hey and excluding our Forum Owner Vishal from this - he runs a clean show.
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iggyigette
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2008 17:15
The amount of wisdom dispensed here is directly proportional to the cummulative amount of Tequila Shots I've had each day...
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Kinglions175
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2008 18:10
Iggy,
Cause you are doing so well with A.S.D. maybe you can afford to have some plastic surgery done?? Ha, ha I'm only kidding I know that isn't you.. looking pretty freaky though
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alasycia
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2008 18:39
Eat the Steak before you go with the Tequila Iggy!
Or put it on that eye of yours! LOL
Hope you are having a great break!
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decolorofmoney
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# Posted: 23 Jul 2008 01:28
So, Oh Wise Tequilla Master Iggy, when might we buy your whole book?
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, and we hope that you're having a great time!
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iggyigette
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# Posted: 23 Jul 2008 06:54
Book is not for sale. Only the Tequila.
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iggyigette
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# Posted: 23 Jul 2008 06:56
My Steak is for Sale Though.
PLEASE BUY MY STEAK[
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luvtravel
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# Posted: 23 Jul 2008 09:13
iggyigette: My Steak is for Sale Though. PLEASE BUY MY STEAK[ __________________
OMG you REALLY do have steak for sale LOL!!!
How's the steak sale going???
Ebay and steak, what next????
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Caterina
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# Posted: 23 Jul 2008 09:29
LOL LOL LOL.....
Is that steak discounted to adjust for the bite someone already took out of it?
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iggyigette
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# Posted: 23 Jul 2008 10:03
That Bite is part of our QA Program...Quality Assurance...
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Investigator
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# Posted: 23 Jul 2008 12:55
We all have perceptions of what the truth truely is about people, things, and events...especially as it relates to ASD. Our perceptions are based on "Fragments of Data" that we collect...we can all view the same data and draw different conclusions...filtered by our own personal filters we each have...Filters that we have developed based on our personal experiences, good or bad, but they color our perception of life...and we each truely believe that our own Perceptions are better than other people's - that we have a better grasp of "reality" than they do.
First Perception of ASD? A SCAM? A GREAT OPPORTUNITY?
Same Data (ASD Webpage)...different Conclusions...All Perception...
We each behave in a manner that serves our Personal Values...
Defenders of ASD defend ASD because they have something at stake...Money already in the system...
ASD Bashers Bash ASD because they have something at stake...Competition? Ego?
We all look at the same Data...and draw different conclusions...filtered by our personal filters of past experiences...it's called Perception of "the truth"...
When we write, the reader will Perceive what our message is, and that perception may not be our Intent of our message. Same Data. Different Conclusions.
When we Speak, the Listener will Perceive what our message is, and that perception may not be our Intent of our message. Same Data. Different Conclusions.
A Successful Message that gets across to the Listener or Reader is one that listener or reader Perceives that the message serves their Values.
A Message is rejected if the message does not pass through the listener's or reader's filters (bad perception of the message).
The Filters
We each receive 2000-3000 messages a day to try to influence our behavior - ASD is GREAT! Join the Club! ASD is a SCAM. RUN AWAY. We all have Filters to screen our messages.
The Filtering Process:
We collect Data from the outside world, screen the messages through our own personal filters, and translate it into our own personal subjective truth (perception)
We can all look at the Same Data (message), and draw different Conclusions based on Our Filters (life experiences).
Whether we are Pro ASD or Anti ASD, To influence behavior and get our message across, we need to find a way to get around "filters" - we need to "Package" our message to get through the Filters of the Listener. If the message doesn't get through the filters, it's JUNK MAIL.
Values
We each engage in behavior that satisfies our personal Values. People do things for their reasons, not your reasons.
Some Values: 1. Security (physical, material, emotional) 2. Autonomy (sense of control - to satisfy this need to give people Options) 3. Acceptance/approval by reference group 4. Self Esteem (your perception of how people perceive you) 5. Success/Achievement. 6. Fun
Question: What are some Values that a person would have when you are presenting to then the ASD Opportunity?
POINT: Never expect anyone to engage in a behavior that serves your values unless you give them an adequate reason to do so. You want their Perception of what you want them to do is better than what they are doing now. Give Value Satisfaction in exchange for Behavior that we want.
Question: How do you Communicate to a person who has $1,000 sitting in the bank account that using their $1,000 in ASD would be more beneficial than using it for other Business/Investment Opportunities?
To Communicate Effectively:
1. Determine your reader's/listener's Values
2. Determine their Filters (background experiences, etc)
3. Package your Message Appropriately so that Your Message do not bounce off their filters and become Junk Mail.
To change behavior, we must first change thinking and perception.
Iggy's Jungle Excursion today:
http://iggyigette.multiply.com/journal/item/466/Welcome_to_the_Jungle
(link available for a short time only)
That was indeed a very good post and you did not take sides which is a plus. The only thing that I take as being one sided is that
ASD Bashers Bash ASD because they have something at stake...Competition? Ego?
is in most cases and I am speaking on my behalf is incorrect. I sell no products,I have a small ego and I run no web site that is competing with ASD.
The reason I got into this whole thing of Bashing (as you call us) is if an individual is going to sell something then that person who claims to be a very successful business person should have the dignity to at least be honest and above board. The only thing that I have done is done is taken Uncle Andy's statements and through Public Documents proved that they were not little white lies but major fabrications of the truth. We have not said he was not an astute business man and I am sure that he has made money...but...he has lied and mislead people into believing that he is something he is not.
As a paid advertiser of ASD I have the same rights that you do. You defend the company and I do not.
Now if you want to get down to the nitty gritty facts..each and everyone of you that has posted and said you have received a cash out and stated the amounts are in direct violation of the Terms of Service since your statements are just like waving a check to entice people to join. Therefore, those of us that are members and have seen the light and face termination of our accounts should be treated no different than all the people who are saying that they made money and received a cash out. Terminate us and he will have to terminate about half of the people who have invested in this scheme. I guarantee he will not do anything because he does not want to lose your Cheer leading and he will not terminate my account or any of the other basher accounts.
Consider this: When the bashing (as the die hards like to call it) started there was maybe three or four people and as each day goes bye more and more are coming forward and every day that the site stays down more and more will continue to take their money elsewhere and the bashing will continue. Also, everything before seemed to be running ok and now within the past week when the bashing went into full swing is when everything started going belly up and the claims of enormous growth,lawsuits and new web site development was going on. Since the bashing the site has been down more than up. But on the good side the bashing has in effect caused ASD to change some of their policies. The Terms of Service now say that you must abide by the laws of Florida and not Panama. The web site if it comes back up will be bigger and better (we hope for ASD's sake) Many of you that were waiting for cash outs are now getting paid faster.
So what it boils down to is that all the bashing has actually done more to help the Cheerleaders and get some things done faster than all of you cheerleaders who had been trying to get done.
SO instead of bashing us...you should be thanking us!
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iggyigette
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# Posted: 23 Jul 2008 13:25
hehe....
Gracias.
I have nothing to sell either except my steak...
Would you like to buy one Investigator?
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alasycia
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# Posted: 23 Jul 2008 13:38
Jack
I find it difficult to thank anyone who publishes offensive videos on the internet and calls people liars. And it is difficult to believe anyone who says that they did it for the general good.
I have no problem with factual information, but do have a problem with someone who will not accept factual information to the contrary, or who uses facts out of context to make a point.
In addition there have been some posts by people who appear to have hidden agendas - whether it is to indirectly promote their own programmes or get traffic or just get their 5 minutes of fame on the internet.
Now things are being restructured to take account of the new size of the company, many naywayers are "disappearing" - I wonder why? This was done for the company and its members, not for "public opinion"
Freedom of speech is one thing - and abuse of that freedom is another.
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logicalusa
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# Posted: 23 Jul 2008 14:53 � Edited by: logicalusa
The Grand Old Geezer at it again I see. I thought he might be embarrassed to post after starting that thread about the award and how he called the White House and the "Republican Party" and they knew nothing about it only to be proven wrong...again. So much for his "investigating". HAHAHAHAHAHA
For someone who claims to have $50k in the business, you have to question his sanity to want to bring the company, or "the scam" as he called it, down.
I honestly feel sad for people like uncle The Grand Old Geezer/Investigator/??? . I was wondering if he might've violated the Terms of Service with all the garbage he has posted online but then it occurred to me that claim that he is a member(with $50k invested no less!) is probably just as legit as his other posts.
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alasycia
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# Posted: 23 Jul 2008 15:11 � Edited by: alasycia
(TheGrandOldGeezer @ Jul 17 2008, 08:38 PM)
Major newspaper has article on ASD scam
http://www.tulsatoday.com/newsdesk/i...=1642&Itemid=2
I found this a couple of days ago.
Apart from the fact that is not a Major Newspaper( it is an online blog-type newsheet written by a guy who won a Playboy Award and is not a mainstream journalist either) .And apart from the fact that ASD is not a scam, the whole post was 100% correct! lol
These are the kind of "facts" that are objectional to many people. I dont see how you can say that naysayers have helped ASD, but I do believe they have frightened a lot of honest people unnecessarily. Half truths and unfinished investigations are not facts.
Well thankfully, there are very very few members who have given them credence - the facts have shown them to be otherwise. And for those who have taken it on themselves to try to bring this great company down - I think there will be a few red faces amongst them.
The now much viewed Medal of Honor is a case in point. It has been stated many times that it did not exist (as a result of thorough investigations that had been made by the various posters).
But that is fine too - because at the end of the day it is their own credibility that will suffer. If they cant get their facts straight - would you join any programme under them?
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frankcseke
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# Posted: 23 Jul 2008 16:24
Very well articulated!
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# Posted: 23 Jul 2008 18:19
Where is the proof that Andy received the award other than a few people who claim to have seen it and yet the majority have not. If he is so proud of it then post it where all can see it. I can post the document that shows who actually received it...so my proof is better than yours.
Also, as your attorney friend frank should tell you proof holds up in court better than saying you have it.
http://www.businessadvisorycouncil.org/bac_images/2008_Pres_Dinner_Agenda.pdf
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alasycia
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# Posted: 23 Jul 2008 18:58
I believe several thousand people saw it with their own eyes and someone said they took a photo. dont remember if it was on this forum. It was seen by real people in a real place OFF the internet.
Apart from the fact that it is totally irrelevant, as questioning it was only a failed attempt to get everyone to doubt the integrity of the AdSurfDaily company - dont you think it is time to give up?
It is like a dog worrying at a bone that has already been sucked dry.
I see lots of people telling people they have won medals or have titles - does that mean that they are all lying?
The vast majority of people who come onto the internet with work related information do not lie. There is a minority that do and abuse the anonymity of the internet to lie, cheat and scam.
I would have thought by now it was perfectly obvious to all but the most unimaginative that AdSurfDaily and its staff form part of that vast majority.
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logicalusa
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# Posted: 23 Jul 2008 19:36 � Edited by: logicalusa
Investigator: Where is the proof that Andy received the award other than a few people who claim to have seen it and yet the majority have not. If he is so proud of it then post it where all can see it. I can post the document that shows who actually received it...so my proof is better than yours.
"A few people"? There were more than "a few people" in Chicago. But whatver fits your agenda Grand Old Geezer.
As far the document that shows "who actually received it"....I would've thought you would've done that already. The PDF you just posted is nothing but an Agenda for the event.
Interesting how in your "'Here is Medal of Distiction given in June" thread you said there had been only one recipient....well that pdf you posted says "HonoreeS" ....wrong again eh?
I would tell you to give up already, but I think it's hilarious how you keep embarrassing yourself.
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dbmaxx
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# Posted: 23 Jul 2008 19:51
Investigator
I was in Chicago, I saw it. You are making yourself look pretty silly with your "prove it" demands when you cannot possibly disprove it.
I see your name next to a post and before I even read it (if I actually even bother) -- I know it is going to be trivial garbage at best. Your credibility is lost and now you are left with nothing to contribute that could be worthwhile.
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Giblinker
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# Posted: 23 Jul 2008 22:08
dbmaxx...I appreciate your candor...I trust alot ASD members with their input..
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