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opendomain
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# Posted: 18 Jul 2008 18:04
What I don't get is why all over this forum there is a HUGE push to defend ASD. IMHO at some point you just have to say, "ok go your way, I'll go mine" and let ASD speak for itself.
I'm not trying to be an "ASDbasher" but just as a friendly heads up generally speaking the more you try to defend some hing the more it looks to be a desperation move. I find it odd that I ask a simple "who's Andy" and I get laughed at.
Based on what I see, and it wont be the first time I've seen it, a group of friends who just so happen to be involved in the same program and in some cases are all either upline or downline all join a forum within a given period of time THEN commence with the anti-program bashing and program promoting. In my short stint here I've seen it more than once, MPM for example. Don't get me wrong I don't see anything wrong with promoting your own business/opportunity etc, etc but my god at least try to be a bit more tactful.
I mean really the last 9 post on this thread (as I'm typing) are all from the same group of people who are flooding other ASD threads with basically the same information. ASD good, bash ASD bad. Again I understand wanting to keep ASD "fresh" on the boards but really it's just starting to get a bit out of hand.
Sadly I still haven't received an answer to either of my questions nor have I decided on whether or not ASD is even legit, as I am always in the market for new income streams. I will say that from what I've seen(especially if Andy is the owner and he is suggesting you "stir" people up so that others join) IMHO ASD is coming off a bit sketchy.
It's all very republican like. Is andy code for Carl Rove?
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MrDoh
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# Posted: 18 Jul 2008 18:09 � Edited by: MrDoh
I'm pretty sure it was assumed you were being facetious with the "who's Andy" comment.
I'm sure the person that replied wasn't expecting someone to jump in on a thread like this without even knowing the founders name. It is posted all over who Andy Bowdoin is.
If I'm mistaken, I apologize now.
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logicalusa
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# Posted: 18 Jul 2008 18:17
opendomain: I will say that from what I've seen(especially if Andy is the owner and he is suggesting you "stir" people up so that others join) IMHO ASD is coming off a bit sketchy.
I read your post but you seem really confused as to what's going on. As far as "ok, you go your way, I'll go mine" it has to work both ways. Why let the bashers get away with posting misleading and untrue stuff?
See what I'm saying? This part of the forum is for ASD, so suggesting the people use the approach you suggested earlier is kind of silly.
Finally, the part where you bring up what someone said about "stirring things up" came from a well known basher (from a couple of sites)and not from Andy who is the President of ASD. Do you really think ANY company president would invite reps to "stir people up" in that context?
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opendomain
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# Posted: 18 Jul 2008 18:33
Thank you that's all I was looking for was an intelligible answer to a very simple question. I prefaced my original post with an apology for not being up to speed on who/what/where/when.
As for company presidents using those tactics, well lets just say I've been around long enough to have seen that more than once also, so yes I really do think it is possible and given that I am not up to speed on things, you'll forgive me if again I'm skeptical of things first the trusting once something has proven itself as worthwhile to me.
You can always tell someone to go take a hike or simply ignore them. But do as you will again it was just, "a friendly suggestion."
Well based on what I've seen I think I'll take my own advice
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Caterina
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# Posted: 18 Jul 2008 19:21
opendomain: Sadly I still haven't received an answer to either of my questions nor have I decided on whether or not ASD is even legit, as I am always in the market for new income streams. I will say that from what I've seen(especially if Andy is the owner and he is suggesting you "stir" people up so that others join) IMHO ASD is coming off a bit sketchy.
The first two things I did when I heard about ASD were check with the Better Business Bureau to see if there were any problems, and I googled it as well to see what came up. As Mr. Doh mentioned, I bet it was assumed that if you were here on the forum, you'd probably already done some background checks and WERE being funny in asking who Andy was.....his name most definitely pops up when you google ASD.
I agree that the "Who's Andy" LOL that you got wasn't meant to offend or be facetious. The gal who posted it isn't one to belittle and is in fact, extremely patient and helpful.....she's answered quite a few of MY questions.....
Also wanted to note that I can see that sometimes it appears as though there's a "huge push to defend ASD", but I have to say that it doesn't feel like I'm defending so much as I am sharing my own experience/truth about this company from first-hand knowledge.....if that comes across as a defensive posture, I wouldn't have a clue as to how to correct it......????
If someone tells you my hair is black, and I say, NO it isn't....it's red.....is that being defensive, or am I just setting the record straight with the truth??? (She asked piteously, in defense of being told she was defensive......LOL!)
Hey - good luck to you.....this is a great forum.....I hope you'll stick around....
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logicalusa
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# Posted: 18 Jul 2008 19:49
opendomain: you'll forgive me if again I'm skeptical of things first the trusting once something has proven itself as worthwhile to me.
You should be skeptical. With everything. I'm as skeptical as they come, believe me, but scaring other people and b*tching like others are doing is simply not my style.
There have been problems managing the super fast growth and the company has acknowledged them publicly and has taken what it appears to me to be the right steps to correct them.
It's a little frustrating, but I have to laugh when people react to the negative and misleading stuff that's posted online when it's exactly what the bashers are after.
You don't think some of these guys are members of rival programs who are biting the dust due to the interest in ASD? On another forum one guy was outed as being the leader of one. Funny stuff.
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iggyigette
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# Posted: 19 Jul 2008 08:12
I believe in the concept of :
TRUST...BUT VERIFY...
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roberto
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# Posted: 20 Jul 2008 03:32
Thanks asdabq! You've got it summed up there very well.
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luvtravel
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# Posted: 20 Jul 2008 07:19
Today while I was surfing ASD I saw ads for major companies like
EconoLodge, and for businesses like Attorney's, Photo Studios, carpet cleaners, and the like, now local businesses and Mom&Pop stores see the benefits of advertising on ASD plus get rebates on their advertising, generate traffic and earn rebates ? It doesn't get any better than that.
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jgiesbrecht
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# Posted: 20 Jul 2008 09:57
You may have seen ads for major companies but it does not necessarily mean that the company is on board advertising with ASD. It could be a member of ASD who does not have their own website that puts these in.
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# Posted: 20 Jul 2008 14:51
I wish you well Iggy, dreaming is great while you sleep, but when you wake, reality will set in!
There is no replacement for hard work....
Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work.
Thomas A. Edison
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Jubie33
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# Posted: 21 Jul 2008 16:30
Investigator: Although IGGY's post makes sense to a point there is the factor that he/she has overlooked. 1. Iggy does not actually know how many people are cashing out on a daily bases since ASD has failed to reveal that info and therefore the calculations are incorrect. 2. The number of people that have taken the time to post about not receiving their cashouts are small compared to those that have failed to post at all concerning 2 months or more waiting period. All the BASHERS that have posted concerning how and why the system will not work have used the information supplied by ASD that was posted on their respective sites. Therefore, the information that IGGY is posting and how he or she came to that conclusion is not valid and totally incorrect and lacks substance. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this post are those of the poster and should not be determined to be other than for educational purposes. Links to other sites, Public Information and or other information posted in here are not necessarily those of this poster or other posters. My right to post information is protected under the constitutional rights for freedom. Any use of the collective descriptions and shared knowledge from any of my posts are at the sole discretion of the reader.
Thank you!!
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Jubie33
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# Posted: 21 Jul 2008 16:34 � Edited by: Jubie33
opendomain: What I don't get is why all over this forum there is a HUGE push to defend ASD. IMHO at some point you just have to say, "ok go your way, I'll go mine" and let ASD speak for itself. I'm not trying to be an "ASDbasher" but just as a friendly heads up generally speaking the more you try to defend some hing the more it looks to be a desperation move. I find it odd that I ask a simple "who's Andy" and I get laughed at. Based on what I see, and it wont be the first time I've seen it, a group of friends who just so happen to be involved in the same program and in some cases are all either upline or downline all join a forum within a given period of time THEN commence with the anti-program bashing and program promoting. In my short stint here I've seen it more than once, MPM for example. Don't get me wrong I don't see anything wrong with promoting your own business/opportunity etc, etc but my god at least try to be a bit more tactful. I mean really the last 9 post on this thread (as I'm typing) are all from the same group of people who are flooding other ASD threads with basically the same information. ASD good, bash ASD bad. Again I understand wanting to keep ASD "fresh" on the boards but really it's just starting to get a bit out of hand. Sadly I still haven't received an answer to either of my questions nor have I decided on whether or not ASD is even legit, as I am always in the market for new income streams. I will say that from what I've seen(especially if Andy is the owner and he is suggesting you "stir" people up so that others join) IMHO ASD is coming off a bit sketchy. It's all very republican like. Is andy code for Carl Rove?
Great post!! I agree with you.
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Jubie33
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# Posted: 21 Jul 2008 16:41
logicalusa: His support to that statement comes from out of his a..genda. And yes, his agenda is clear as a a bell. And after spewing his garbage for days he now has a little disclaimer at the end of his posts.
What's so funny about that? I would've put the disclaimer at the end of my posts too, especially when you're dealing with children that cry "I'm reporting you" or "you should be reported" when there are no laws or rules being broken. The disclaimer, to me, is just a reminder to certain people of his rights.
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alasycia
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# Posted: 21 Jul 2008 17:07
[quote]Investigator:
Although IGGY's post makes sense to a point there is the factor that he/she has overlooked.
1. Iggy does not actually know how many people are cashing out on a daily bases since ASD has failed to reveal that info and therefore the calculations are incorrect. And they might be correct - we dont know - what people cash out is their private business. Although ASD will have to report cash outs to the authorities - and it is clear that they have no problem with this - W9 etc - I am not aware that they are obliged to tell members or non memers, although i am sure that if you are a member you could ask Andy on his calls. He'll probably tell you anyway
2. The number of people that have taken the time to post about not receiving their cashouts are small compared to those that have failed to post at all concerning 2 months or more waiting period. this is just an assumption on your part - please do not state it as a fact, it may or may not be true
All the BASHERS that have posted concerning how and why the system will not work have used the information supplied by ASD that was posted on their respective sites. So what happened to all the other posts screaming ponzi" "I'm a marketer - I know" etc ???
Therefore, the information that IGGY is posting and how he or she came to that conclusion is not valid and totally incorrect and lacks substance. Iggy was trying t5o give a guide to people to give them a general idea of how it worked - he did not claim to be a mathematician - and some of it is fine and very valid and if you read the ToC you will be able to see that - some of it went a bit awry - but he never claimed it to be 100%
Disclaimer:
The opinions expressed in this post are those of the poster and should not be determined to be other than for educational purposes. Links to other sites, Public Information and or other information posted in here are not necessarily those of this poster or other posters. Wise move to put a disclaimer.I can think of a few more objective sources to get an education!Personally I dont have a problem with standing up for what I say and dont require a disclaimer. I take full responsibility LOL
My right to post information is protected under the constitutional rights for freedom. Any use of the collective descriptions and shared knowledge from any of my posts are at the sole discretion of the reader. Your right to post on this forum also depends on whether or not it falls within the ToC of THIs forum as well. Hey have you ever heard of abuse of freedom of speech?
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alasycia
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# Posted: 21 Jul 2008 17:13
Gilbert,
I am sorry - I am the guilty party who laughed! It never occured to me that anyone interested in ASD would not know the name of the Founder and President! Mea Culpa!
Based on what I see, and it wont be the first time I've seen it, a group of friends who just so happen to be involved in the same program and in some cases are all either upline or downline all join a forum within a given period of time THEN commence with the anti-program bashing and program promoting. In my short stint here I've seen it more than once, MPM for example. Don't get me wrong I don't see anything wrong with promoting your own business/opportunity etc, etc but my god at least try to be a bit more tactful.
This does seem to be the case with some of the vehment bashing that is going on with this programme. We know it is hurting some online companies. A few people have been honest enough to speak out and say so. But attacking it doesnt make their programmes better. If a business is going to attract members it needs more than bashers of other businesses in its membership. Very unprofessional.
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brutus
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2008 10:19 � Edited by: brutus
Getting back to the "Where does the money come question" ...
ASD does not have to come up with $2.50 for every $1.00 of ad package purchase.
Their offer is to pay you back 125% of your original ad package purchase. So if you put in $1.00 they will pay you back $1.25. The first $1.00 of "payback" is simply from giving you your $1.00 back. The remaining 25% is paid out of the company proceeds generated from ad package sales and other revenue sources each day.
Keep in mind that a large protion of the company's revenue comes from selling advertisement to large companies with no rebates or paybacks required.
With a responsive organizations of 100,000+ proven buyers it is quite easy to attract corporate advertisers.
The other thing to keep in mind is that once you have received your 125% in the form of daily cash rebates your original ad package value expires from your account. This is fair because your original $1.00 and a 25% profit has already been paid back to you.
My greater concern would be if you were a new company starting up and you did not have a 100,000 member customer base yet. This would be less attractive to advertisers and any payout guarantees would be coming from ad package sales to new and existing members.
If a new company were to have a very generous initial matching bonus of lets say ... 100%. And if the new company were to guarantee a substantial daily rebate of lets say ..... 3%. I'd be wondering where the payout money would be coming from in 24 days when you want to cashout your original $1.00 which has now grown to $4.00.
But heck, that's just me ..... (and maybe anyone else that has recently decided to distance themselves from a new unproven company that would take such a position).
Have a great and prosperous day!
lil' brutus
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decolorofmoney
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# Posted: 29 Jul 2008 12:34
Bumping this up for the benefit of the poster of "Still Not Sure"
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