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jimmudge
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# Posted: 5 Jul 2008 14:18
Has anyone purchased the $10 spreadsheet at www.asdspreadsheet.com If so, is it worth it?
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alasycia
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# Posted: 5 Jul 2008 14:25
Hi Jim
I have seen it and it is comlex to use but excellent and highly accurate, for all cominations, which, unfortunately is more than can be said for the ones so far floating about, which are totally misleading under 2000$ a day, (where you upgrade even at weekends.) some of them overestimate by as much as 15,000$ a year on a 1000$ ad package!! Not much fun when you find your account short by that amount!!LOL
I understand that its creator is waiting for approval from ASD to put his paypal button back on.and release it.
Hopefully this wont be too long - because it is one of the very few I have seen that are accurate and it is very complete.
Try contacting him directly
Jenny
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bluedog24
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# Posted: 5 Jul 2008 14:29
Just cur
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bluedog24
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# Posted: 5 Jul 2008 14:31
Just curious, what is the estimated total after 1 year at 1% on weekdays and 1% on weekends, when starting with 1,000 dollars, and you have no refferals and upgrade everyday 100%...
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alasycia
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# Posted: 5 Jul 2008 14:49
Depends whether you plan on taking money out and what percentage and starting from when
Do you want suggestions based on 135 days and taking out 20% after than time or something else?
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bluedog24
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# Posted: 5 Jul 2008 14:51
Well, 2 scenerios...
Let's say I decided to not take out anything for a whole year, and updgraded 100% everday, starting at 1,000.
For me, I'm at about 8,000. Let's say I take out 20% a week after I hit 12,000. Where do you think I will be around a year from now?
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alasycia
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# Posted: 5 Jul 2008 20:09
Nicholas - where are you???
This is one for you!! You are the number cruncher round here!!
Jenny
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rippinrod
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# Posted: 6 Jul 2008 03:15 � Edited by: rippinrod
Bluedog,
I think I can help you with this. It's only my second post and I feel like a leecher reading everyone's posts without contributing.
Assumptions for both scenarios:
~You earn rebates of 1%/day on weekdays and 0.5%/day on weekends (I average it to 0.857%/day for my calculations)
~At the above rebate rates each ad pack expires at 145 days each (sooner if you earn more per day)
~Upgrading 100% everyday instead of waiting to accumulate $500 or more before upgrading
~No referrals
~Not including 25% match on upgrades of $500 or more
Scenario 1: At day 365 you would have between $5300 and $5400 total ad pack balance
Scenario 2: Starting with $8,000--if you upgrade 100%/day until $12,000 you would hit $12,000 at day 49, after taking 20%/day after $12,000 you would hit almost $17,200 at day 365, that 20%/day would be a cashout total of $412.10 (about $29.44/day) over the span of the last 14 days of the year.
Bonus Scenario 3: Starting with $8,000--if you left it alone and upgraded 100% every day, you would have a balance of over $42,700 at day 365 and could then commence to take out $75/day and still have it grow--with the balance reaching over $47,400 at two years.
Feel free to throw numbers at me, it's what I'm best at and the best way for me to contribute to this forum.
Rod
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rippinrod
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# Posted: 6 Jul 2008 03:26
Jim,
I believe this spreadsheet is accurate. I've listened to their video and they seem to have their figures correct (at least they jive with mine).
Rod
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jimmudge
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# Posted: 6 Jul 2008 08:31
Rod,
Unfortunately, their spreadsheet is Excel & I am running open office on all my computers and it does not appear to be compatable. Something about the indirect function & using periods instead of exclamation points
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bluedog24
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# Posted: 6 Jul 2008 12:21
Thanks a lot Rippenrod for the info, that helped me a lot!!
I have a question though...before, my calculations were that if I start taking out 20% a day at day 49(12,000 dollars), I would be making 120 dollars a day, and 20% of that is 24 dollars. That would mean I would start out making approximately 144 a week, which is 576 a month.
I'm very curious how you came up with $412.10. I would think I would be making more than that in a month, and it would grow to much more after that.
Maybe I'm missing something, but please try to explain it to my simple ears, lol.
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rippinrod
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# Posted: 6 Jul 2008 14:47
Bluedog,
That $412.10 is for the last 14 days of the year...about $825 for the last 28 days of Year 1.
Remember, I calculate the average rebate % at 0.857% per day (5 days at 1% and 2 days at 0.5%).
Rod
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alasycia
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# Posted: 6 Jul 2008 15:04
Sorry I cant help today - having computer problems and the excell sheets are all trapped in the main computer.
Jenny
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bluedog24
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# Posted: 6 Jul 2008 15:05
Thanks for clarifying that...
Also, if I took out 20% starting at 12,000 dollars, I would still think that it would be a much higher number than 17,200 dollars...
I mean logically, if I am taking out nothing, you said it will hit 42,700...with only taking out 20%, 17,200 seems a little low to my calculations, but please explain that for me if you could...
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rippinrod
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# Posted: 6 Jul 2008 16:22 � Edited by: rippinrod
Bluedog,
I PM'd you about this.
I know without seeing it laid out it can be difficult to visualize. The power is in upgrading 100% for as long as you can.
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jimmudge
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# Posted: 6 Jul 2008 17:06 � Edited by: jimmudge
I started with 12,000 ad packs on 6/18/08. I have upgraded 100% & rec'd 25% match 4 times and now have 14,662 ad packs & $223.00 cash after 18 days. If I start doing 80/20 now & keep getting 25% match by only upgrading $500 when cash is $625 & therefore keep getting 25% match every few days & holding $125 for cashout , where will I be 10/1/08 assuming 1% daily & .5% weekends?
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nkelly
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# Posted: 7 Jul 2008 00:43
alasycia: Nicholas - where are you??? This is one for you!! You are the number cruncher round here!! Jenny
I was told to keep my mouth shut...so I am only doing as I was told!!
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nkelly
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# Posted: 7 Jul 2008 01:03
I just had a thought. If you buy $10,000 in ad packages you can cash out a maximum of $12,500 on that purchase in rebates. But as it's all rebates and no initial capital (as would be the case in a normal investment) it will be considered $12,500 in profit. If you pay 25% taxes on that profit you end up with $9,375.
So you should be careful not to cash out literally until you have upgraded to the point that your profit after tax is a real positive profit.
I am assuming ASD will only be reporting real cash outs to the IRS rather than a total of the years cash rebates credited to our accounts. If they were to report (and we were to report) 100% of rebates (including those used to upgrade ad packages) to the IRS you could never be in a positive position due to the fact that you cannot liquidate your total ad packages. You would be forever incurring a tax liability of more than that paid out in real profits.
I didn't say it was a happy thought! Hope I am wrong. Please correct me is I am as its going to keep me up pretty late tonight!
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Nicholas
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iggyigette
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# Posted: 7 Jul 2008 01:19
nkelly: I am assuming ASD will only be reporting real cash outs to the IRS rather than a total of the years cash rebates credited to our accounts. If they were to report (and we were to report) 100% of rebates (including those used to upgrade ad packages) to the IRS you could never be in a positive position due to the fact that you cannot liquidate your total ad packages. You would be forever incurring a tax liability of more than that paid out in real profits.
FAQ Question # 26
http://asdcashgenerator.com/member/faq.php#26
26. Will my rebates and referral commissions be taxed as they are accrued or paid?
If you are a U.S. resident or business, we MUST have your SSN or EIN number on file before we pay you rebates, commissions or leadership bonuses. You will receive a 1099 at the end of the year showing the total you have been paid.
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nkelly
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# Posted: 7 Jul 2008 01:33
Thanks Iggy...Can go get some sleep now!
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Nicholas
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rippinrod
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# Posted: 7 Jul 2008 02:05 � Edited by: rippinrod
Jim,
It appears your overall balance would hit almost 31,500 ad packs by 10/2 or 10/3. I started the calculations with your original 12,000 and made your 4 upgrades, but I figured 1% and 0.5% instead of the higher percentages you received some days. As a result, there is a margin of error and calculations are not exact.
Since your rebates grow everyday as your balance grows, I have you upgrading with 80% even if it's more than $500 (for example, by day three after upgrading and cashing out, you might have a cash balance of $600, but by day four it would be $803--80% or $643 would be the upgrade amount).
Similarly, instead of having your cashouts at $125 every few days I have your cashouts growing even though they are 20% (using the above example, on the day you upgraded with $643 you would be cashing out $160--$803-$643).
Your total cashout from 7/8 through 10/2 would be a little over $3200.
Of course, this is all dependent on your rule of 80/20.
Now I probably really confused you 
Rod
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jimmudge
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# Posted: 7 Jul 2008 09:14
Thanks Rod, I do follow it.
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Kinglions175
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# Posted: 25 Jul 2008 20:56
RippinRod or Nkelly,
I am bringing this thread back from the dead. I recently posted a new topic similar to this one but I am still left with questions. You have been called the 'numbers guys' maybe you can help. Assuming someone starts with $4000 in A.S.D on 7-25-08. If they rolled over 100% cash balance to adpackages for 6 months what would there adpackage balance be at that point? Including the 25% promotional matches. No referrals. Thanks in advance
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nkelly
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# Posted: 26 Jul 2008 01:30
Kinglions175: Assuming someone starts with $4000 in A.S.D on 7-25-08. If they rolled over 100% cash balance to adpackages for 6 months what would there adpackage balance be at that point? Including the 25% promotional matches. No referrals. Thanks in advance
Assuming you get 1% weekdays and .5% weekends (it varies) and you roll back 100% as stated, at Jan 15th the balance in your ad pack account would be $9,441.96. BUT you cannot withdraw your ad pack account balance, just your cash rebates, so if you were then to start withdrawing 20% and adding back 80% you could sustain constant growth in ad pack balance and have your initial $4k back by end of 12 months (July 09). At that point you'd have an ad pack balance of $17,304.23 from which you could then start making a profit. Hope this helps.
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nkelly
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# Posted: 26 Jul 2008 01:32
I forgot to take into account the 25% promotional bonuses so you would have more. My model doesn't take that into account as it becomes very complicated! Maybe Rippinrod can take it further?
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Kinglions175
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# Posted: 26 Jul 2008 21:32
Thanks Nicholas,
Yea, because I plan on doing the promotional match while it is offered. I guess maybe the calculations get pushed back a few months.. would that be a fair assessment?
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nkelly
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# Posted: 26 Jul 2008 22:27
The numbers will go up but the timing doesn't change a lot. You are still rolling back the first six months 100% with 25% bonus and an initial 50% match at the rally, so for the original purchase of $4,000 your ad packs after 6 months are now valued at $21,827.41 and you recoup your $4k by March 29th 2009. This is based on a 20% cash out and reinvesting back the 80% plus a 25% bonus.
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Kinglions175
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# Posted: 26 Jul 2008 23:22
"this is based on a 20% cash out and reinvesting back the 80% plus a 25% bonus."
Are you basing the 80/20 method from the start of the original $4000? Or do I switch to the 80/20 after 6 months?
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mrich87
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# Posted: 26 Jul 2008 23:55
jimmudge: Rod, Unfortunately, their spreadsheet is Excel & I am running open office on all my computers and it does not appear to be compatable. Something about the indirect function & using periods instead of exclamation points
I believe this has been updated as I recently purchased the spreadsheet and was asked if I wanted to download it in Excel or Open Office formats.
Mike
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nkelly
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# Posted: 27 Jul 2008 03:50
Kinglions175: Are you basing the 80/20 method from the start of the original $4000? Or do I switch to the 80/20 after 6 months?
The latter!
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