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M1733
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# Posted: 20 Apr 2008 11:37
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I've been reviewing (some of the reviews on other Sites) and also reading up on this. Opinions vary - but most are positive. Has anyone out there actually INSTALLED this technology on their vehicle? Does it actually work? Any long term effects to the engine, etc.?
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PNL Travel
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# Posted: 21 Apr 2008 12:43
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That website didn't come up for me. Is this the same as water4gas? If it is, my husband is building a few units to put on our vehicles and test now.
I'll let you know...
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M1733
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# Posted: 21 Apr 2008 15:16
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water4gas is a different website - and according to one review is more expensive and not as user friendly.
Here is the link for the website I was speaking of:
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If the link doesn't work I suggest typing in Denny Klein (the inventor) and / or water for gas or something smilar as key words. The key is the inventor's name to make sure you have the correct website.
Here's another interesting tidbit I just stumbled upon
http://polidics.com/tag/dennis_klein
Yes please let me know how your husbands kits work out!
Thanks!
Mike
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# Posted: 21 Apr 2008 15:44
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Hi Mike,
It looks pretty similar. They are both converting H2O to HHO in the end. The cost to make it looks the same also. I'm really not the mechanical one - that's why this is my husbands thing!
The only difference that I saw (and I may have just missed this) is the updates. It looks like you are buying the ebook and that's it. There is actual technical support if you need it and once you buy the book you get any updates there may be with water4gas.
If you have specific questions, just pm me and I will get them to Scott (my husband) for you!
Lora
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Marktech
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# Posted: 21 Apr 2008 17:18
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Honestly, If there were really anything out there like that - that worked - would the oil companies not squelch it pretty quick?
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M1733
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# Posted: 21 Apr 2008 19:25
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That link I listed:
http://polidics.com/tag/dennis_klein
really makes you wonder. The guy SEEMS legit in his video.
The link says he should have a patent approved this year.
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phydeaux
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# Posted: 1 May 2008 00:28
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I would reeeaallllly like these products to work but unfortunately ithey probably don't.
The reasons they probably don't are as follows.
The hydrogen converter relies on the cars battery to supply current. As the battery drains and the voltage drops the car's voltage regulator will kick in extra coils in the car's alternator to create more current to charge the battery. This increases the altenators load on the car's engine.
Unfortunate the extra load on the engine will be far greater than the extra power created by the hydrogen. This is because of the following:
1. The electrically energy produced by the alterator is less than the energy drain on the engine.
2. Energy is again lost converting the electricity energy to chemical engery stored in the HHO.
3. Energy is again lost converting the chemical energy to mechanical energy when the Hydrogen is burnt.
As you can see there is a net energy loss at each stage and the system is draining energy from the car. Sad, but unfortunately true.
I'd be more than happy to be proved wrong.
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# Posted: 1 May 2008 12:57
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The thought of running my car on water totally scares me to death.
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Homeboy
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# Posted: 1 May 2008 16:09
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mdotwhite: The thought of running my car on water totally scares me to death.
Lollll, why on earth?!?! 
Personally I think it sounds great, but according to Phydeaux it can't work, so no point getting our hopes up... 
Hmm.....but what if we attached little wind turbines onto the car somewhere to generate the extra energy needed to keep the battery charged? 
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# Posted: 15 May 2008 21:11
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I bought the runyourcarwithwater for 49.97, got the manual o.k.
read the entire thing, very poorly written, hard to understand,
doesn't explain what the different parts do, illustrations aren't very good, they say you can build it for less than 150.00, if you build it as they describe it will be more than 700.00. some items are hard to get. I've e-mailed them 3 times with no reply yet. Don't waste your money unless they can explain why the big difference in cost of building it. Tom.
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Ozma
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# Posted: 16 May 2008 19:07
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That would be so great... I have a friend who is trying to make his car run on water. I hope it works. I remember seeing a guy on TV not too long ago who got his car to run on water. But he was like "yeah i don't care if the car companies buy it from me, whatever". So... so long to that... but... if my brother can figure out any of the manuals out there... I might give it a shot in my car. :-P
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ljeb
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# Posted: 17 May 2008 16:09
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It can be done. You are simply adding another fuel (a mixture of 2:1 Hydrogen and Oxygen gas) to your engine. So for you to see an increase in gas mileage, you have to adjust your car to send less gasoline to the cylinders and you have to add HHO gas to your engine in its place. Most people only are only building HHO generators that produce around 1 liter of gas per minute. The increase in mileage depends on how much HHO you can produce and how well you can tune your engine. If you can produce enough HHO per minute you could turn off the supply of gasoline and only burn HHO. Type "HHO" or "HHO generator" into youtube and you will see how some are made and how much gas some are producing.
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# Posted: 19 May 2008 16:32
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http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com looks more professional but
it doesn't give any specifics.
http://www.water4gas.com on the other hand doesn't look as
professional but it goes into more specifics. It has some pictures of
the parts needed and pictures of cars that have been modified to
run on water and even has testimonials.
There are also ready made systems and installation services for
people who are not DIY type.
Judging by the rising gas prices, this would definitely be worth trying.
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# Posted: 19 May 2008 20:42 · Edited by: zeropoint
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Been getting emails about this recently, looks interesting...If it was workable....
on this point:
1. The electrically energy produced by the alterator is less than the energy drain on the engine.
2. Energy is again lost converting the electricity energy to chemical engery stored in the HHO.
3. Energy is again lost converting the chemical energy to mechanical energy when the Hydrogen is burnt.
if these are eoual or greater than the hydrogen energy generated than yes this is not worth it but if the hydrogen generates more than these energy losses, and by how much, we may have something here......and point #1 sounds like a heavier duty alternator would be called for, otherwise no matter how much more power from the hydrogen is generated this is chemical energy not electrical and the car would not run.
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bmarley
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# Posted: 22 May 2008 16:12
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I got scammed......
I just bought the plan at http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com
I must say that hwat on those plan can't be made form your local hardware store. it is not well detail and explained.
All that I can say is that feel really stupid..
Plus the contact us email does not work at all.
I'm willing to sahre free of charge those plan so that anyone can see
the false advertisement.........
This not a joke....
B Marley
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fixit
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# Posted: 23 May 2008 07:42
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not to be mean, but your wrong about what the alternator is doing.
The car uses as much energy splitting the H2o as it would burning just gas...so no point.
the alternator turns on when the battery is low, the way it's hooked up to the engine has nothing to do with using any extra engine power
The gears, belts, fans and everything els are already turning and all the alternator does is engage with one of the things already being turned....so it's not actually taking from the engine in any way
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mccartycustoms
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# Posted: 23 May 2008 11:35
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Hey, BMarley. . .
I would love to take a look at that manual. I was reading up on it too and my husband is very mechincal. He'd know just by looking at it (depending on just how crudely the manual is written) if it would work. Send it to [email protected]. Thanks
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Acerdude
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# Posted: 23 May 2008 18:42
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Send me the manual if you would please before I spend $50 and then more on hardware.
[email protected]
Thanks!
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Crooow
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# Posted: 25 May 2008 13:14
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I'd like to take a look at this manual and see what is involved. It does look like a scam... But, I'm curious about it none the less.
If you are serious about sending out the manual, send to: [email protected]
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M1733
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# Posted: 26 May 2008 11:29
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bmarley -
I too would be interested in the manual. Sounds like you are getting a fair amount of interest.
Please send it to [email protected]
If we all work together on this maybe we can weed out the scam artists (and get lucky) and find a technology that actually works.
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theberlins
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# Posted: 26 May 2008 15:48
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BMarley,
We've been trying to find reviews like this that might show if it is worth the money or not. Is there a way that you could email it to us? Our email is [email protected]. Thanks so much!
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Quasind
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# Posted: 27 May 2008 14:59
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bmarley,
I have heard some good about that HHO, but more bad. I would like to give it a crack without the $49 gamble. If you are still sharing the information I would be very interested. If I can get it to work, I would be glad to return the favor and update you. If you are an optimist, save your original plans!
Thanks [email protected]
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chefkrys
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# Posted: 27 May 2008 15:29
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Hey, I have been trying to talk my husband into converting our car too. I am so glad I read all your reviews on that system. If one of you could send me the manual, I agree with member M1733 maybe we could all work together and make this thing actually work. My email is [email protected].
Thanks so much, Krys
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# Posted: 27 May 2008 22:22
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BMarley
sounds interesting... i'm interested in the manual a well.... [email protected]
thanks!!
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lew
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# Posted: 28 May 2008 00:24
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Wish you were all just kidding! This can not work because he law of conservation of energy states that the total amount of energy in any isolated system remains constant but cannot be recreated, although it may change forms, e.g. friction turns kinetic energy into thermal energy. In thermodynamics, the first law of thermodynamics is a statement of the conservation of energy for thermodynamic systems, and is the more encompassing version of the conservation of energy. In short, the law of conservation of energy states that energy can not be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another.
Also, turning the alternator certainly takes energy from the engine- it has a clutch and also has resistance to turning equivalent to the draw of electical energy that depends on how depleted the battery is and what electricity using components are in use.
Please do not waste your time or money, but do:
1) Keep your tires adequately inflated
2) keep the engine tuned
3) drive conservatively
4) make efficient use of car trips
5) carpool
6) use public transportation
7) bike or walk short distances.
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mccartycustoms
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# Posted: 29 May 2008 17:51
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Hey all out there!
Has BMarley sent the manual to any of you?? Cause he sure hasnt to me. Anyway, if anyone has gotten it, i'd love to see it too. Thanks to all. [email protected]
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doctechnical
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# Posted: 30 May 2008 15:12
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Putting additional load on the electrical system most definitely puts additional load on the engine. Try this simple test - when your car is warmed up, parked and idling, turn on the headlights on high. Listen to the tone of the idle (or look at your tach), you'll hear/see the revs drop just a little as the headlights put an additional load on the alternator and therefore the engine. Turn the lights back off, the revs go back up.
The problem with this "run the car on water" scam is that the Second Law of Thermodynamics hasn't been repealed. You can change one form of energy to another, but you can never achieve a 100% efficiency.
So the engine converts chemical energy (from gasoline) into mechanical energy, the alternator converts mechanical to electrical, this gadget they're selling plans for converts electrical back to chemical (electrolysing water to crack out the H2) and then the engine converts H2 back into mechanical. And every step of the way you lose a little efficiency.
If this did work you could make a perpetual motion machine out of it.
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VBGuy
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# Posted: 31 May 2008 13:46
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I agree w/ lew in that the laws of conservation and energy clearly state that you cannot get more energy out than you put in to a closed system. However, most of the potential energy in gasoline is not used durning the combustion process. The introduction of HHO gas into the fuel mix MAY increase the amount of energy that is extractable from the gasoline through chemical and/or physical interaction with the fuel air mixture.
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botswanajohn
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# Posted: 31 May 2008 15:13
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Doctechnical has made the best comment so far. The Second Law of Thermodynamics is what would seem to be violated, which simply stated could be summarised as 'You can't get something for nothing'. Using the power of the engine to produce gas to power the engine would be a non-starter if that was the only thing that were happening.
But no-body has commented on the use of waste heat from the engine to to help the process of splitting the water. If this is the case then savings can be made. Do these new systems make any use of waste heat? does anybody know?
Reusing waste heat makes a lot of sense. Back in the 1970's (the last fuel crisis) many people drilled a hole in the inlet manifold and connected it with a pipe to a bag of water. The venturi effect in the inlet manifold drew water into the engine which was vaporised by the engine heat thereby converting the engine to run as a partial steam engine.
I would suggest that this is what is really happening with these conversion kits. In other words forget all the hype about hydrogen power and recombining water molecules and just convert your car much more simply to run as a steam engine.
Has anybody any idea how modern electronic engine management systems cope with with extra fuel in the inlet manifold? It seems to me that it would upset it.
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# Posted: 31 May 2008 15:32
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Yesterday I asked my ex, because I am writing an article for a similar product, Years ago he had installed similar home made contraptions in his sports cars with great success.
Victoria
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