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Shakes12
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# Posted: 15 Apr 2008 08:49
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Hi Guys,
I am not sure if I am alone in this boat but I am seeying strange things or maybe it is because I am doing business with the wrong guys.
Here is my question.
Why do Internet Marketers like selling thier clients one product after the other without making sure the client is happy and making money with the first product?
I have been a victim of this vicious circle and i think its wrong. Should'nt they help you make money with the initial product first and start promoting other products as soon as you making money?
Is this how its supposed to be?
Am i beeing too ambitious to expect a stranger help me make money?
I dont think they have the customer's interest at heart or maybe as i have said, I am doing business with the wrong guy.
Is someone else seeing this practise or am I alone in this?
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happywife
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# Posted: 15 Apr 2008 10:05
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Hi Shakes,
Yes, it can be a bit discouraging when you are trying to legitimately start on an online business and you feel like you are going in circles.
It is easy to get caught up in the cycle of buying item after item and never really get anywhere.
A lot of internet marketers that are promoting 'make money online' products don't really care if others are benefiting or not, as long as they are making money themselves.
That isn't always the case. There are some really genuine people that do want to see people succeed and are willing to go the extra mile to help them do it. It is not easy to find them, though, is it?
I was blessed to be rescued fairly quickly out of those shark infested waters by SBI. Before that, I spent a couple of months floundering with a couple of products that promised the world but never delivered.
There are some good souls who have learned that by truly helping others you help yourself. I'm really grateful.
You should take a lesson from this feeling you are experiencing. Don't fall into the same cycle yourself by trying to promote the same ineffective products and dash other people's hopes.
I decided after my early experiences that I wasn't going to promote things that I didn't really think were worthwhile and beneficial to those who were buying. You feel so much better about what you are doing and can ask the Lord to bless your work with a clear conscience. 
I don't necessarily think it is ambitious for you to expect strangers to help you make money, especially if that is what they are promising to do. But when all is said and done you have to take responsibility for your own situation.
1. Ask for a refund when you buy something that is rubbish.
2. Check into things thoroughly before jumping into them.
3. Be willing to share what you have learned with others.
4. Put in the time and effort to build your own business once you find the right online business for you.
5. Expect to be disappointed if you fall for promises of easy wealth. You really have no one to blame but yourself. (At least that's what I tell myself). 
Hang in there.
Angie
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VictoriaNTC
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# Posted: 15 Apr 2008 10:22
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I was rescued by Wealthy Affiliate University also...
after reading many ebooks and trying different programs.
Many have nearly the same content.
Now that you are more aware of this..be careful.
It seems like the "sharks" never make it long term.
The Universe has a wonderful way of taking care of these matters.
Victoria
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BillChechel
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# Posted: 15 Apr 2008 11:10
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Shakes12,
Actually I have found the people I have worked with online to be more ethical and straightfoward than companies I deal with in my traditional business.
I think it really comes down to what company you partner with. I agree, its not right to push another program on someone if they havent mastered the first one yet. I dont even know how some people juggle more than one business online. I have enough work with my one business just to keep up with the ever changing internet scene.
Dont get discouraged by your negative dealings. You are in the right place just with the wrong people.
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westfam11
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# Posted: 15 Apr 2008 12:51
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Oh I have been through the same thing. I almost gave up, it was so discouraging. But I kept at it and finally found the one thing that works and the people involved are very helpful in making sure that I succeed. That is their #1 goal, for the members to succeed. Of course, I know that they are making money too.
We have all heard, "If we help enough people get what they want, we will get what we want".
Becky
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Shakes12
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# Posted: 15 Apr 2008 15:19
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Thanks for the nice words Angie. I see you have something on your signature...I will look around and chat to you when i see something that i like.
Shakes
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Shakes12
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# Posted: 15 Apr 2008 15:22
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Thanks Vic,
I am new in this forum and I am not sure if we are allowed to name and shame these sharks.
Shaked
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Shakes12
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# Posted: 15 Apr 2008 15:26
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BillChechel: Dont get discouraged by your negative dealings. You are in the right place just with the wrong people.
Thanks Bill,
There are a lot of products on the market and the big question is, How do you know if its legit or not?
Shakes
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BillyPilgrim
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# Posted: 15 Apr 2008 16:10
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Since I'm not a guru and only sell one product, I regularly answer personal PMs and emails. I don't want to be rich and famous. I want to rich and anonymous.
BP
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# Posted: 15 Apr 2008 18:29
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Sadly there are many "gurus" out there that will tell you the bast way to make money online is to create a list and send them ads. And they are right to some extent. It is very simple to get someone who's looking to make money to spend money, in my opinion it's pretty damn shady, but that is in fact how a great deal of these guys online make money.
Most money makers online aren't there to help people, they are there to make money, and unfortunately what they do works very well for them. Which actually makes it a little more difficult for real teachers and people interested in actually helping you.
If you can find the right person/people who are genuinely interested in helping you and who practice and not just preach the whole "Help people get what they what and you get what you want" doctrine then you are blessed indeed.
I will say that in my own downline that for every 10 people I sign up and want to help only about 2-4 of them actually continue to follow through with contacting me and with building what they have and asking questions. I've always wondered why this was. I tend to answer all questions as best as I can, but for the most part people simply stop asking them...
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# Posted: 15 Apr 2008 19:46
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Shakes12: Thanks for the nice words Angie. I see you have something on your signature...I will look around and chat to you when i see something that i like.
You are very welcome. I'll do my best to answer your questions (if I know the answers).
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# Posted: 15 Apr 2008 20:04
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It is unfortunate that some gurus are just interested in getting people into one program after another and do not care what happens to those people under them.
You need to check out a company and the product before joining. Make sure you ask questions of your sponsor, if they do not answer then find someone else.
If you want to know it the product is legit and can not tell ask in the forum, you will most likely get both sides then you can decide.
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westfam11
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# Posted: 15 Apr 2008 20:18
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Another thing that I have noticed is some of
these "big time" earners are involved in more
than one thing. So if they say they have made
200,000 per year it is more than likely not with
just the program they are trying to get you
involved in. It is with several programs combined.
I have come across this. I will see a "heavy hitter" on
one program and then there they are again on another
program. I am not saying there is anything wrong with
being involved in more than one program but sometimes
it is misleading about the profis that are made.
But it has all been a great learning curve for me. So I will
just keep learning and keep asking questions on this
forum.
Becky
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Shakes12
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# Posted: 16 Apr 2008 06:45
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Thanks for all the advice guys..will look around and keep asking questions.
Shakes
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Gshyne
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# Posted: 16 Apr 2008 15:08
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If i ever become a sucessful one and i have completly free info it will be 100 percent free .You just have to go through training .
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# Posted: 16 Apr 2008 15:18
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I have successfully built huge downlines, this is done by helping others succeed. Those that help there downline will reap the rewards, those that do not will end up with lots of people leaving there program.....
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# Posted: 16 Apr 2008 20:21
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Unfortunately your experience is something that we all have faced. The good news is that there are a lot of good companies out there that really want to help you succeed. You have to take the time to do your research and find them.
This forum is a great place to help you find what you need but you have to be cautious in here as well.
Maybe the best thing you can do in your business is to set the customer service bar at a high level and provide the type of support that YOU would want.
It never ceases to amaze me how appreciative my customers are when I focus on making sure that they are completely satisfied with their interaction with my businesses.
This kind of approach reminds me of The Golden Rule:
"Do unto others as you would have then do unto you".
This might be the best approach for finding REAL success.
John
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# Posted: 17 Apr 2008 12:52
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I believe there are many people in online marketing that act the way you are referring to. Fortunately, I believe many are starting to come around and see that this is a completely unethical way to do business. There are still many people in online marketing that truly want to help others. And honestly those who operate from the mentality of giving and helping their team succeed, the will really be the most successful. There is nothing wrong with the business, but you may want to branch out and start learning how to do business from people that are operating the way you want to. That is one one of the best ways to become successful that I have found. You find someone who is doing what you want to be doing and learn from them.
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# Posted: 17 Apr 2008 16:04
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I don't think that there are many people on this planet that are totally selfless and giving. That being said there seems to be an over-abundance of internet marketers that have absolutely NO compassion or conscience whatsoever. Given the old saw: "what goes around comes around" I don't see how some of these "sharks" continue to make money. I guess its because of the other old saw: "There's a sucker born every minute".
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# Posted: 18 Apr 2008 16:24
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It works like this:
Tom: I have discovered the secret to online riches!
Dan: Really, what is it?!?!
Tom: I'll show you if you give me $100.
Dan: Ok, sure! Here's the hundred bucks, now show me the secret!
Tom: I just did.
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happywife
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# Posted: 18 Apr 2008 23:08
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That is exactly how I felt the first couple of months of trying to find a legitimate online money making business.
Ugh! It was frustrating. I'm so glad I eventually came across some decent and knowledgeable folks who pointed me in the right direction.
I really feel for the people coming to this forum and ones like it trying to find a genuine answer. That's part of the reason I come here - to point them in the right direction, like someone did for me.
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# Posted: 18 Apr 2008 23:09
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That is exactly how I felt the first couple of months of trying to find a legitimate online money making business.
Ugh! It was frustrating. I'm so glad I eventually came across some decent and knowledgeable folks who pointed me in the right direction.
I really feel for the people coming to this forum and ones like it trying to find a genuine answer. That's part of the reason I come here - to point them in the right direction, like someone did for me.
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kalien
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# Posted: 19 Apr 2008 00:46 · Edited by: kalien
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Shakes12: Why do Internet Marketers like selling thier clients one product after the other without making sure the client is happy and making money with the first product?
Unfortunately, that seems to be the same "advice" promoted in many "guru-sponsored" sites.
I learned from experience that if something really captured my attention & curiousity & required a CC# before learning what treasures lay ahead - I had better have a verifiable "money-back guaranty" before proceeding. Do your research before paying for anything! Most of the valuable & invalubale information is available for free - especially at places just like this!
Kalien
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MyNameJoshRocks
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# Posted: 19 Apr 2008 01:27
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Man, thats a bummer. Thats how I exactly felt like when I first joined my business. I didn't get much help from my mentor while he was collecting $500bucks to $3,000 bucks daily. I was really ticked off that he never helped me, it just took him few sentences to make me realize it was me who was making myself fail.
Now, this person who sponsored you, he is probably new or just being a douche bag. My best advice for you is find someone who is willing to help you out, someone who is in the same network as you are. I don't know if they will help you out promoting yourself.
I had to read e-books and experience them, and find out what works and not. My best advice to you is get some web- resources. Find people if your sponsor isn't willing to help out. Luckily, my sponsor was the best man, his dreams are to bring success in online business. GOODLUCK!
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# Posted: 19 Apr 2008 05:38
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Shakes12: I am doing business with the wrong guy
With that experience, you are definitely doing business with the wrong people. I recommend you take the time to do further research on who you do business with so you know what to expect from them in future.
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Shakes12
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# Posted: 20 Apr 2008 05:51
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Thanks for the advice. I hope new wannabe internet marketers are learning form this forum. I made a lot of mistakes and I learned from them. I am in the process of perfecting my mistakes and hope to make a decent income one day.
Shakes
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# Posted: 20 Apr 2008 08:38
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Homeboy: It works like this: Tom: I have discovered the secret to online riches! Dan: Really, what is it?!?! Tom: I'll show you if you give me $100. Dan: Ok, sure! Here's the hundred bucks, now show me the secret! Tom: I just did.
Lol Homeboy 
Unfortunately that scenario is all to common.
Shakes: Hang in there. That's happened to many of us. I suggest that you look into some of the most popular programs on this forum. They seem to be Site Build It, Wealthy Affiliate, Profit Lance, GDI, and Honest Riches.
You can't go wrong with any of those and they are all excellent programs - perhaps the best available today.
~Newbie Shield~
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Shakes12
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# Posted: 20 Apr 2008 16:19 · Edited by: Shakes12
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Newbie Shield: Homeboy: It works like this: Tom: I have discovered the secret to online riches! Dan: Really, what is it?!?! Tom: I'll show you if you give me $100. Dan: Ok, sure! Here's the hundred bucks, now show me the secret! Tom: I just did.
Hi Newbie Shield, this is really funny..thanks man
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# Posted: 20 Apr 2008 17:13
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Actually, I was quoting a member named HomeBoy.
The second part below that was for you :)
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# Posted: 20 Apr 2008 17:29
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LOL @ Homeboy....
Unfortunately I think most of us have come across these types of people. They only seem to care about making the sale, then they jump to another program and you're already on their list so they send you a sales pitch on that and the cycle continues. I decided to go my own way and I'm so glad I did because now I have a sponsor that has integrity. She answers her emails, returns her phone calls, does team training calls, etc. She's a leader and has taught me how to do this for people who join under me. She's the best sponsor I've ever had and she was taught by one of the best, too.
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