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WickedJack
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# Posted: 19 Dec 2007 15:52
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Howdy folks;
I'm at home now because of temporary dis-ability and I have been searching the web for a biz to get into.I'm so glad I found this site! Alot of great info here,but to be honest with you all,it seems the home based inter-net business thing is one great incestous circle.I mean it looks like every body selling the same basic deal to each other.I'm not tryin' to be a jerk or any thing...it's just my observation after looking at low buy-in to high buy-in. Maybe I'm missing something but it looks to me you could take your same stake to the Black Jack table and make as much just using basic strategy and whole lot less work makin' a buck. Any way I welcome any comments,hints or instructions.
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happywife
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 01:17
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In a lot of ways, you are right. There does tend to be a lot of that circular feel that you encountered. That is just the nature of the beast when it comes to a work at home forum.
There are some really good and viable programs that do teach you how to build an online business. Unfortunately, a lot of new people get stuck in the trap of promoting work at home programs as opposed to building their own business relating to a particular niche.
Some people are even successful at it, but not as many as one would hope. 
You would be a lot better off starting an online business with a similar mindset to building on offline business. How many people would actually set up a store front and base it on working from home? Not many, I suspect. But these same people jump on the work from home bandwagon and then get discouraged when it doesn't bring them in the hoped for riches.
It is not really their fault. They are just getting bad advice (to someone else's benefit). Sadly, they have a hard time facing up to it and making a real change in attitude.
Obviously, the online world is quite different than the offline world in many ways. But the basic concept of what kind of business you want to build is not.
For instance, my chocolate site is very different than an actual offline store that sells chocolate candy and its accompaniments. I don't have to handle stock, invoicing, credit cards, etc., because I chose not to go that route but to use affiliate marketing. However, the concept of an offline chocolate candy store is viable - so it is a good online idea, too.
You can build a decent online business on just about any subject you think people are looking for on a daily basis. It could be something as simple as monogrammed golf tees (well, I don't know really know how much demand there would be for those.  ). With a little research and a good web site building system you can create your own little online empire.
I suspect Black Jack takes a bit of luck to get that possible win. With this, you don't really need luck, but hard work and persistence. Instead of a possible one time win, you will end up with an ever growing business that brings you a steady income.
What are you personally interested in or good at? Think about that when you are considering what to build an online business around. That is generally your best bet - pun intended.
Merry Christmas!
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pcwork
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 10:07
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You can instead provide a service like customer service, transcription
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netbiz
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2007 22:04
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I have said this before, but I am going to say it again. Motivation, Researching, Asking Questions, Planning, Implementing, Hard Work, Hard Work, Failure, Getting Back Up, Motivation, Researching, Asking Questions, Planning, Implementing, Hard Work, and finally SUCCESS!!! You can implement this in any business or in life in general. The key is ADITUDE & GRATIUDE!
Oh and happywife great post!
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MedTranHome
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# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 12:29
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There are a lot of sales schemes on the net, but there are also real jobs. As an example, I do medical trancription at home, transcribing for local hospitals, and have been doing that for 11 years.
You just have to do some research to find something real.
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mywirebiz
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# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 12:56
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I am not sure about you.. but for me(joined 1 month ++ ago), it's an eye opener for me. I thought I have known majority of the stuff to get me started on this crazy www, but there are still a lot that I haven't know and discover, which is all not new but existing strategy and method. Stay here long enough and you will know what I mean.
Welcome on board and have a great holiday.
MWB
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rach2306
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# Posted: 21 Dec 2007 19:48
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Hi I did all the things mentioned above built websites in things I was interested in but just can't seem to get the visitors there and seem to spend loads advertising. Can anyone offer any advice?
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cardwarrior
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# Posted: 24 Dec 2007 23:27
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Medical transcription seems to be a legitimate work at home opportunity. Also, there seems to be a lot of money being made with internet marketing. However, as with any business, you will need to perform your due diligence. With online opportunities, it is much more easier for the scammer to take advantage.
Hope this helps...
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happywife
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# Posted: 25 Dec 2007 17:46
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Quoting: rach2306 Hi I did all the things mentioned above built websites in things I was interested in but just can't seem to get the visitors there and seem to spend loads advertising. Can anyone offer any advice?
Hi Rachel,
What ways besides paid advertising have you used to bring in visitors? There are some basic things you need to do to get free traffic. You can submit your site to free directories, free classifieds, leave links in your signature in forums (I see you are doing that), etc.
Those things don't really bring in much traffic, but they help to raise your rankings in the search engine so that you will generate more traffic from keyword searches.
That brings me to the main thing you need to do - build your pages with keywords in mind. You can research to find out what terms are being searched for regularly relating to your niche. Then you build a page focusing on that keyword/phrase.
Basically, you will want the keywords in your heading, first paragraph, last paragraph, and in a text link. Of course, depending on the length of your pages, you may need to add another one here or there.
Be sure to include your keywords in your tags for the page, too.
Also, Google will send visitors to your site through your photos if you name them and label the tags using searchable terms.
I know this works because that is what I have used and my traffic increases every month. I have never paid for any advertising. Of course, I could to get more traffic, but I haven't wanted to invest in that yet. I'd rather be a little more patient and have google/yahoo/msn etc. do the work for me for free.
I'll send you a link by private message that really helps explain the importance of targeted traffic far better than I can.
I hope this will help you do better.
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MyOwnBoss
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# Posted: 25 Dec 2007 22:49 · Edited by: MyOwnBoss
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Happywife,
I agree that the way to start is go with something you're interested in. The reason is, if you are working on something and not making money yet, it's easy to get frustrated and your interest in your work will make a difference in the efforts to keep working at it.
The thing is, at some point everybody who starts seeing success must make the decision whether they want a business or to be a business person.
What I mean is, say I start a site on Mini-Blinds; the site starts seeing success. I'm making enough money to do it full-time. At this point, I need to make the decision whether I want to be the mini-blind king or king of marketing.
Either POV is ok, there are people making a lot of money doing both. I guess what I'm saying is so many people give the "do what you love and the money will follow" advice, and again I agree. The thing is the other side of the coin is "learn to market and sell what people are buying". Many professional marketers (and most people who consider themselves in the IM field - specifically) concentrate their efforts on deciding which niche will be profitable regardless of whether they have a personal interest in the niche. The steps to make a website or markting campaign are pretty mechanical once you know them (I'm not saying there's no room for innovation). I just feel like this side of things isn't treated with as much respect as the "do it because you love it" side.
For me personally, I'm an online marketer because it's the best way for me to make money to do the things I love.
Edit: WickedJack - you're right. If you look at the situation from a certain perspective, it does seem like the world of internet marketing is incestous - like a bunch of fish swimming around trying to eat each other.
Thing is, that is only true at places like this forum where you have a lot of marketers gathered together. Think about going to a trade fair in the real world, you never leave those without a pocket full of business cards. 2 blocks away, you don't have every person you walk by trying to shake your hand and tell you about their business.
It's the same thing online, go to a gardening website, and you don't hear a lot of people talking about whether they should buy a course on adwords.
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happywife
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# Posted: 25 Dec 2007 23:11
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Quoting: MyOwnBoss Either POV is ok, there are people making a lot of money doing both. I guess what I'm saying is so many people give the "do what you love and the money will follow" advice, and again I agree. The thing is the other side of the coin is "learn to market and sell what people are buying". Many professional marketers (and most people who consider themselves in the IM field - specifically) concentrate their efforts on deciding which niche will be profitable regardless of whether they have a personal interest in the niche. The steps to make a website or markting campaign are pretty mechanical once you know them (I'm not saying there's no room for innovation). I just feel like this side of things isn't treated with as much respect as the "do it because you love it" side.
I do agree wholeheartedly with what you are saying. I even practice it myself. My first site is about something I really enjoy. My second is an attempt at going where the money is. It is too soon to tell how successful I will be at that. We'll see.
However, for beginners to online marketing, I do think it is important to go for the interest/passion route first. It is a huge learning curve for most people and they need that interest to spur them on until they see results.
After they have "done it" and have seen how the whole process works firsthand then they will be able to forge ahead in the "profitable" niches. Those niches are generally a lot more competitive and take longer to gain ground and success.
Too many people give up and think the "system" doesn't work because they don't have the knowledge, experience, or skills to continue building through the hump stages. Once you "know" a system works, that spurs you on, I guess.
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MyOwnBoss
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# Posted: 25 Dec 2007 23:51
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Yeah, like I said, having an interest in the subject matter can be the crucial difference between actually learning something and giving up. It would be easier to teach someone to read with a book on their interests than the dictionary.
I guess my major worry whenever I see this is not brand, brand, brand-new people. You're totally right on that. They need a reason to keep learning to get a mastery of the basics. If they aren't making money, that interest can be the reason.
I believe money can be made doing anything...ANYTHING. I mean, think about it, there are companies making a fortune cleaning septic tanks. If you've ever been near somebody cleaning a septic tank, I think you'll agree - nobody in their right mind could love doing that.
The thing is: some niches/techniques are easier than others to make some kind of profit from.
If your only love, only passion in life was capturing your neighbors' cats, shaving them naked except a puff of fur at the end of their tails, then letting them go and laughing as they run away - If you could stay out of jail, I'm sure you could make money with a website on the subject.
I'm also sure if your only love, only passion in life were participation in online auctions - you would have an easier path to profits.
That's all I was saying, people shouldn't pigeon-hole themselves as far as the subject of their websites goes. If you're a teenager and you're fascinated with the story of Jamie Lynn Spears being pregnant, it would be easy to set up a page to get some adsense clicks. It would be much, much harder to find an affiliate that matched that audience to make money from.
If you're learning, yes - go with something you love. If you like the money it earns and think you could expand that, by all means, do it.
Once you know how the online world works, and you're serious about making money, but think your particular niche is too limited, there's nothing wrong with exploring other niches.
Happywife - I believe we're in total agreement about this. I just wrote this post because I didn't want you to think I was disagreeing with you. If anything, I was trying to say, "What she said, also think about this..."
Disclaimer - no cats were harmed in the writing of this post...
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happywife
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# Posted: 26 Dec 2007 00:06
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Agreed.
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xeonkar007
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# Posted: 27 Dec 2007 02:02
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well, all these advices but where is the main thread poster
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happywife
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# Posted: 27 Dec 2007 02:14
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I think he's abandoned us.
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aplina
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# Posted: 27 Dec 2007 06:07
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welcome to the forum
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